Jon, I care. You know why? Because my karma is at 14. I try to post things semi-intelligently most of the time, I try to make the occasional joke, and often, when I can provide insight or help where others haven't, I respond to another poster's question. That's why I care. 14. I continually stayed buried at 1 because I wasn't one of the first 20 posts so every karma point matters to me. I don't have the backing of/. that you do. My karma every now and then drops a point for no good reason. That's why I care. I don't slam you, I don't worship you, I was just making a comment about how you have a distinct writing style and I got dinged for it. That's why _I_ care.
I give them credit. Creating and maintaining a site of this magnitude is no small task. And I like the fact that they ala Open Source, make their code available for everyone to poke and prod and create their own sites with. While I wouldn't say I'm a _fan_ per se, I am grateful.
Chances are that anyone that actually came to this story is already an OpenBSD fan since it wasn't on the/. home page, but for that small percentage of you that aren't wise in the ways of OpenBSD: It rocks!!
I admit it, I'm an OpenBSD newbie, but setting it up is a cinch. They guide you right through it in the foldout that comes with the CD. A book that also helped me out is "Building linux and OpenBSD Firewalls". It too guides you through the install (for 2.5 though, a tad different) and it also gives a lot of good examples of ipfilters and ipnat. The man pages are great too. They go into why things are set up the way they are, not just how.
If you are even remotely interested in securing your home network and have an old machine laying around (mines a P1-166 with only a 2 gig drive), buy the CD and try it out.
In all honesty, the idea of only downloading the distro is pretty foreign to me. I got on the SuSE bandwagon with 6.2 and the only one I didn't buy was 6.4. Considering it used to be $30 at microcenter, I thought I was getting a deal. A dead tree manual, CD's and floppies? Great! Since they've jacked the price up, and I've learned that not _that_ much changes between releases, I'll probably buy just the even versions now (except 7.1... so what if I bought 7.0?), but for a newbie like me (yep... about a year of linux and I'm still a newbie) having the manual and company-produced CD's/DVD is worth it to me.
Plus, I feel GOOD spending my money on it. I feel that "yes, I am getting my $70 worth". Same with the $30 I spent on OpenBSD.
LOL. Actually, I really like my OpenBSD firewall because the documentation (OBSD man pages rock!) I've found (Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls too!) is so good. I like a lot of the O'Reilly books for my Linux queries, but the OBSD stuff I have questions for is pretty much covered by one of the two sources I mentioned.
I work at a web development firm and a lot of what I've heard about.NET is like Java. The running joke around here is: "How do you convert Java code to C#? Change the file extension."
Seriously, some of the benefits of.NET are pre-compiled pages and no more "scripting" languages: actual C# code in the page. When I asked the presenter what the difference between what C# gave me and Java Server Pages were, he looked at me blankly and then stammered out a response about scalability issues and how several "industry-standard" metrics show the MS platform to be clearly superior to anything that serves as a JSP container.
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ps: Yes, I know C# !=.NET, but C# is the foundation of future development in the.NET architecture.
pps: There is one cool thing about.NET: Supposedly you can extend say a C++ class using VB or C# or whatever..NET has a common runtime library that allows you to inherit and extend object using a language that the original object was not written in.
I was terribly confused by this for a while, asked SuSE and promptly smacked my forehead. doh! To get the "full" version of the suse distro, buy the CD (or DL it or whatever) and then go to ftp.suse.DE to update it or dl the rest of it. Because of patent and export regulations, SuSE can't include SSH and other crypto related programs on their US release CD's or web sites. I spent about a month trying to figure out why suse.com listed SSH under the sec1 area yet it wasn't on their ftp site nor on my CD's. Go to the GERMAN site (ftp.suse.DE) to get the rest of the distro
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Actually, since the export stuff has been lightened, does anyone out there know if they'll be including OpenSSH and so forth on the US CD's in the next release (OpenBSD does it)??
I posted a comment a little earlier, but I'm re-posting for emphasis: "Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls" is a must read (at least for OpenBSD newbies). This book is FANTASTIC (yes, good enough to warrant caps). I set up my OpenBSD firewall last week and this book was an immense help (so is the OpenBSD documentation to be fair). It walks you through setting up the entire system (though it doesn't recommend separate partitions for/usr,/tmp, etc and it's a tad out of date (OBSD 2.5)). If you're interested in OpenBSD, I highly recommend it.
I just, and I mean last week, installed OpenBSD as my firewall and I LOVE it. I have the book Building Linux and OpenBSD Firewalls by Sonnenreich and Yates and between that and the BSD man pages/online docs I had no trouble setting it all up. And I'll be the first person to call myself a *nix newbie.
I don't have numbers comparing their stacks, or SMP ability data (why do you need a multi-proc firewall unless you're doing it for a large company?), but from a user standpoint, I think OpenBSD is fantastic and I recommend that anyone remotely interested in security find a P-166MHz with a 2 gig drive and throw it on, just to try out.
I can't argue with either point. I think.NET will be huge, but it is still a ways away, so the battle it not lost. And even though Opera is pretty slick, NS is dying, and the large majority of people (at least anyone that goes to the web sites my company develops;-) out there use IE.
First, keep in mind that.NET is still at least a year away from being fully deployed. Xerces, apache's XML Java and C++ parser, is here now. It's not it "beta" like all the.NET stuff. As a matter of fact, MS has barely got the 2000 editions of its stuff out the door and the only.NET disc I have is Visual Studio (I get all the MS stuff because of work).
Secondly, just because 6 million people bought VS, doesn't mean they'll upgrade. At the company I work for we're trying to figure out what to develop with because a lot of our clients want Java, but MS dumped us out in the cold with J++. I'd start in on C#, but that's a whole other tirade.
I'd feel very odd going under the knife of something that can't take randomness into account:
Nurse: "Dr. Steele! He having an allergic reaction to the anesthesia! His blood vessels are dialiating! We're going to lose him!" Dr. Steele:"Nurse Ratchet, do be a dear and give me some of that WD40... my back is killing me" NR:"But Doctor..." DS:"*puke*Your operation has caused a general protection fault at 0x12314324214..."
No thanks... I'll stick to the meat puppets, thank you.
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You couldn't have just left it buried at 1 could you moderator? It had to be "Offtopic". Ass.
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Just a joke. =)
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I admit it, I'm an OpenBSD newbie, but setting it up is a cinch. They guide you right through it in the foldout that comes with the CD. A book that also helped me out is "Building linux and OpenBSD Firewalls". It too guides you through the install (for 2.5 though, a tad different) and it also gives a lot of good examples of ipfilters and ipnat. The man pages are great too. They go into why things are set up the way they are, not just how.
If you are even remotely interested in securing your home network and have an old machine laying around (mines a P1-166 with only a 2 gig drive), buy the CD and try it out.
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Plus, I feel GOOD spending my money on it. I feel that "yes, I am getting my $70 worth". Same with the $30 I spent on OpenBSD.
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Seriously, some of the benefits of .NET are pre-compiled pages and no more "scripting" languages: actual C# code in the page. When I asked the presenter what the difference between what C# gave me and Java Server Pages were, he looked at me blankly and then stammered out a response about scalability issues and how several "industry-standard" metrics show the MS platform to be clearly superior to anything that serves as a JSP container.
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ps: Yes, I know C# != .NET, but C# is the foundation of future development in the .NET architecture.
pps: There is one cool thing about .NET: Supposedly you can extend say a C++ class using VB or C# or whatever. .NET has a common runtime library that allows you to inherit and extend object using a language that the original object was not written in.
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Actually, since the export stuff has been lightened, does anyone out there know if they'll be including OpenSSH and so forth on the US CD's in the next release (OpenBSD does it)??
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I don't have numbers comparing their stacks, or SMP ability data (why do you need a multi-proc firewall unless you're doing it for a large company?), but from a user standpoint, I think OpenBSD is fantastic and I recommend that anyone remotely interested in security find a P-166MHz with a 2 gig drive and throw it on, just to try out.
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Secondly, just because 6 million people bought VS, doesn't mean they'll upgrade. At the company I work for we're trying to figure out what to develop with because a lot of our clients want Java, but MS dumped us out in the cold with J++. I'd start in on C#, but that's a whole other tirade.
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;-)
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Fuck you moderator. Like nothing you've ever written is offtopic.
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Nurse: "Dr. Steele! He having an allergic reaction to the anesthesia! His blood vessels are dialiating! We're going to lose him!"
Dr. Steele:"Nurse Ratchet, do be a dear and give me some of that WD40... my back is killing me"
NR:"But Doctor..."
DS:"*puke*Your operation has caused a general protection fault at 0x12314324214..."
No thanks... I'll stick to the meat puppets, thank you.
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What do you expect?