I liked Just Cause and Just Cause II, but I got the former for 19$ used, and the latter for free. I do not mind mindless tactical puzzles. But GTA doesn't even do that well IMO. The trappings they throw on it just makes it worse.
It is a Hollywood bias. Your right. I don't think I will enjoy games that attempt to be serious. Unless they are scientific or about exploration.
But if I had to compare GTA to almost any other games out there. Its just not a franchise I put any faith in. Even after seeing the first one. I was playing Quake3 heavily at the time of its first release. And mods like Team Fortress, or other cheesy mods (A DBZ one comes to mind).
Gameplay matters. Making fake virtual "ads" and AK47's is pretty dull and has been done to death. Wrapping them together in a package, throwing some nice shaders, and textures down, doesn't make a work of art.
Most smart people wait till that shallow entertainment is at least in the bargain bin before wasting their hard earned payolla on it.
60$ would be a nice drive + meal in a remote and wild place. Or visit to a historic and interesting site. Or half a plane ticket to another locale, even a foreign one from where I'm at.
I'm not convinced that smart people would immediately spend that on day 1 without waiting a few months for reviews.
I wouldn't expect PBR2.0 to make 80mil on the first day debute either. But what I'm saying. Is their both swill. But at least the waste water has a slight probiotic bonus. So how could Bud Lite surpass PBR in sales? Except by the extreme ignorance of mankind.
The youtube lets play I saw of Red Dead Redemption was interesting. But it was far from worth watching more than 30 minutes of it. It was nice to see someone try to make a historically interesting western game. However http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_(video_game) seemed like a more fun and compelling game minus a few pitfalls in gameplay (one I actually did play). I could see how the story in that game might be decent if the time was invested in the gameplay.
I've seen first hand a few people play GTA. And I played a friends GTA4 console version for a few hours ~2.
It was no where near as fun as Saints Row 1 or 2. They decided to "simulate" reality in too much detail. Rather than being a game, arcady. They sacrificed good gameplay for faux realism. The guns reached the uncanny valley. And I sat there thinking. Damn, this is bullshit. Its nothing like real life. Its a farse. The selling point is to give people a simulation to act out their criminal fantasy in. But its a horribly inaccurate simulation. The abstraction they used is not fun from a gameplay perspective. The entire game holds up this promise and falls flat in every regard.
The storyline is no better than a B movie at best. It doesn't tell a compelling or thought provoking tale full of meaningful choices. At least Saints Row was a humorous parody on political topics.
They should have just made a fun shooter. Like Serious Sam.
To me GTA falls short of being a game. And is more like an attraction. And not a very good one.
Detailed virtual worlds exist. But in games like Eve (player made), or Dwarf Fortress (procedural), or Angbhand, Archimedean Dynasty, Frontier: Elite II.
GTA is a pale imitation of real life lacking in fine detail. Even F.E.A.R. was more detailed and compelling. Or Dues Ex which had a well thought out and developed universe.
I agree the GTA series sucks. And I have played them, among many other games. Along with Saints Row which is by far much more "fun".
Great works of art? Anything of Meaning? GTA is not... its like the last piece of creative work on the planet I would bother with.
Hence, why our opinion that the "Majority" is dumb. IMO its because they are pretty well brainwashed to buy what they are simply advertised and what their peers will be buying. Perhaps the original GTA, was somewhat novel and cutesy. But even then, not worth an investment.
I would drink pabst. But not bud lite. I think people are pretty dumb for drinking bud light as well. Its just shit. Sorry if that rustles your jimmies.
And to answer your question. If you like GTA. Your pretty dumb. Mostly for the aforementioned reasons.
Hear hear! And any damn judge dum enough to let the case even go through without alerting the patttent office and slamming these guys with fines for misuse of the legal system. Fraud. And abuse of government entities in order to harass and whatever else they can muster up.
These people can go to jail. And they can let out a few prostitutes.
To put this simply. Sure you can automate bread making, and produce billions of dollars in bread each day.
But that bread is nothing like the bread your mother made for you as a kid. If you can't allow people to continue to put forth this creative work and SHARE. Your life will be meaningless.
Fuck you, wanting to replace humans. Its this none-nurturing attitude that leaves to the shit we see every day about careless people. Who don't appreciate their lives and means. And leads to the need for genocidal behavior.
Tons of creative art has been made about this.
No matter how "great a wine" you can get from a "machine". Human love and care makes that wine have meaning. Otherwise you might as well just be a machine.
If you cannot understand this. You might as well submit yourself for processing into fuel.
Well I can imagine some rich guy with the "best of everything in diablo III" that use to grind in d2, who just logs his computer own to show his friend his shiny virtual pixels and doesn't "play" the game.
It is better to invest money in an MMO and time into RL endeavors. You can effectively achieve everything in an MMO with a few hard hours of work, rather than years of work. With a little left over to spare for pizza.
The "achievement" most MMO's provide is just an illusion and it does lead to less productive living. Its generally easy enough to achieve though that everyone can play at running an empire without actually putting anything other than time on the line. Yet another illusion, because if you fail at empire building IRL and die, than your just "loosing time".
But a las, pixels are safe, and serfs will be serfs, and people will farm pixels. I even do it to a small degree, because mind numbing work with a creative output is, mind-numbing.
The most recent news I read about Internet connectivity in Afghanistan was that it was still a grass roots movement done by amatuers and not corporate yet. Many Taliban recruits (young teens) basically sending messages back to their families and other random users throughout the countryside. Have not read to many positive stories. Than again I do not pay particular interest to the state of affairs in Afghanistan. I'm sure the same story from above still rings true in some cases. Someones got their secret or buried computer. I wonder if the U.S. has taken to searching everyones computers for "encryption" or "taliban social media?" who knows.
Sounds great, but give it 20 years and see how it looks =)
Technology is a double edge sword. Right now its in the hands of the oppressed good villagers. When their governments and corporations or businesses get their hands on the same technology. People will wonder at the change in landscape.
Indeed, I figure your chances of landing a job is based more on local standing, previous work, age, maturity, then what the huge corporate HR can google about you in a NSA powered background search. And what whether your profiled as a good tax right off or not.
Nah you guys are right Occupy was a joke. By verge, I say decades, shits pretty bad economically here. Worse than it was 15 years ago and we were rattling sabers here in the south about it while CNN was reporting on the first Iraq war. So we'll see in another 15 years what goes down. But shits looking uglier every year.
It was about not getting a permit to demonstrate their Patriotism. While a Muslim group did. People pretty pissed at the beucratic asshats in DC right now.
Its not really factual, theres books and books written about how we allowed this to happen. And promoted it for two decades. Placing the blame and fear on al-Qaida is as irrational as not getting all the facts and letting history repeat itself.
Tons of whistleblowers who made the sacrifice to attempt to educate the American public about the whole situation. Yet they have been very effectively silenced by organizations working with our intelligence agencies. Over issues of "Secrecy".
Everything we do over there actually does nothing more then legitimize the different tribal groups attachment to groups like al-Qaida and Hezbollah (or whatever). Every country we invade. Everything we bomb. Just reinforces their holy war against the evil empire from the people who matter most to recruit for them.
The U.S.A. is doing a good job destabilizing, and toppling the little fiefdoms or threatening to for al-Qaida. Once we consolidate the Middle eastern fiefdoms into one easy to attack target I'm sure he would have been grateful for us doing all the bloody grunt work. Even if we were successful at an impossible task like that without destroying ourselves first, both economically, and morally (pun with morale, intended).
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I liked Just Cause and Just Cause II, but I got the former for 19$ used, and the latter for free. I do not mind mindless tactical puzzles. But GTA doesn't even do that well IMO. The trappings they throw on it just makes it worse.
It is a Hollywood bias. Your right. I don't think I will enjoy games that attempt to be serious. Unless they are scientific or about exploration.
But if I had to compare GTA to almost any other games out there. Its just not a franchise I put any faith in. Even after seeing the first one. I was playing Quake3 heavily at the time of its first release. And mods like Team Fortress, or other cheesy mods (A DBZ one comes to mind).
Gameplay matters. Making fake virtual "ads" and AK47's is pretty dull and has been done to death. Wrapping them together in a package, throwing some nice shaders, and textures down, doesn't make a work of art.
Most smart people wait till that shallow entertainment is at least in the bargain bin before wasting their hard earned payolla on it.
60$ would be a nice drive + meal in a remote and wild place. Or visit to a historic and interesting site. Or half a plane ticket to another locale, even a foreign one from where I'm at.
I'm not convinced that smart people would immediately spend that on day 1 without waiting a few months for reviews.
Sheep bought it. Well trained sheep.
I wouldn't expect PBR2.0 to make 80mil on the first day debute either. But what I'm saying. Is their both swill. But at least the waste water has a slight probiotic bonus. So how could Bud Lite surpass PBR in sales? Except by the extreme ignorance of mankind.
The youtube lets play I saw of Red Dead Redemption was interesting. But it was far from worth watching more than 30 minutes of it. It was nice to see someone try to make a historically interesting western game. However http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_(video_game) seemed like a more fun and compelling game minus a few pitfalls in gameplay (one I actually did play). I could see how the story in that game might be decent if the time was invested in the gameplay.
I've seen first hand a few people play GTA. And I played a friends GTA4 console version for a few hours ~2.
It was no where near as fun as Saints Row 1 or 2. They decided to "simulate" reality in too much detail. Rather than being a game, arcady. They sacrificed good gameplay for faux realism. The guns reached the uncanny valley. And I sat there thinking. Damn, this is bullshit. Its nothing like real life. Its a farse. The selling point is to give people a simulation to act out their criminal fantasy in. But its a horribly inaccurate simulation. The abstraction they used is not fun from a gameplay perspective. The entire game holds up this promise and falls flat in every regard.
The storyline is no better than a B movie at best. It doesn't tell a compelling or thought provoking tale full of meaningful choices. At least Saints Row was a humorous parody on political topics.
They should have just made a fun shooter. Like Serious Sam.
To me GTA falls short of being a game. And is more like an attraction. And not a very good one.
Detailed virtual worlds exist. But in games like Eve (player made), or Dwarf Fortress (procedural), or Angbhand, Archimedean Dynasty, Frontier: Elite II.
GTA is a pale imitation of real life lacking in fine detail. Even F.E.A.R. was more detailed and compelling. Or Dues Ex which had a well thought out and developed universe.
You feel anger because its the truth. GTA is shallow and boring.
I agree the GTA series sucks. And I have played them, among many other games. Along with Saints Row which is by far much more "fun".
Great works of art? Anything of Meaning? GTA is not... its like the last piece of creative work on the planet I would bother with.
Hence, why our opinion that the "Majority" is dumb. IMO its because they are pretty well brainwashed to buy what they are simply advertised and what their peers will be buying. Perhaps the original GTA, was somewhat novel and cutesy. But even then, not worth an investment.
I would drink pabst. But not bud lite. I think people are pretty dumb for drinking bud light as well. Its just shit. Sorry if that rustles your jimmies.
And to answer your question. If you like GTA. Your pretty dumb. Mostly for the aforementioned reasons.
Hear hear! And any damn judge dum enough to let the case even go through without alerting the patttent office and slamming these guys with fines for misuse of the legal system. Fraud. And abuse of government entities in order to harass and whatever else they can muster up.
These people can go to jail. And they can let out a few prostitutes.
Glad to hear =)
Good luck.
To put this simply. Sure you can automate bread making, and produce billions of dollars in bread each day.
But that bread is nothing like the bread your mother made for you as a kid. If you can't allow people to continue to put forth this creative work and SHARE. Your life will be meaningless.
Fuck you, wanting to replace humans. Its this none-nurturing attitude that leaves to the shit we see every day about careless people. Who don't appreciate their lives and means. And leads to the need for genocidal behavior.
Tons of creative art has been made about this.
No matter how "great a wine" you can get from a "machine". Human love and care makes that wine have meaning. Otherwise you might as well just be a machine.
If you cannot understand this. You might as well submit yourself for processing into fuel.
Well I can imagine some rich guy with the "best of everything in diablo III" that use to grind in d2, who just logs his computer own to show his friend his shiny virtual pixels and doesn't "play" the game.
It is better to invest money in an MMO and time into RL endeavors. You can effectively achieve everything in an MMO with a few hard hours of work, rather than years of work. With a little left over to spare for pizza.
The "achievement" most MMO's provide is just an illusion and it does lead to less productive living. Its generally easy enough to achieve though that everyone can play at running an empire without actually putting anything other than time on the line. Yet another illusion, because if you fail at empire building IRL and die, than your just "loosing time".
But a las, pixels are safe, and serfs will be serfs, and people will farm pixels. I even do it to a small degree, because mind numbing work with a creative output is, mind-numbing.
The most recent news I read about Internet connectivity in Afghanistan was that it was still a grass roots movement done by amatuers and not corporate yet. Many Taliban recruits (young teens) basically sending messages back to their families and other random users throughout the countryside. Have not read to many positive stories. Than again I do not pay particular interest to the state of affairs in Afghanistan. I'm sure the same story from above still rings true in some cases. Someones got their secret or buried computer. I wonder if the U.S. has taken to searching everyones computers for "encryption" or "taliban social media?" who knows.
Sounds great, but give it 20 years and see how it looks =)
Technology is a double edge sword. Right now its in the hands of the oppressed good villagers. When their governments and corporations or businesses get their hands on the same technology. People will wonder at the change in landscape.
There's a well oiled system in place for trading clock ins. If they implement this new technology it will throw a wrench in the works.
-IANALTC
Indeed, I figure your chances of landing a job is based more on local standing, previous work, age, maturity, then what the huge corporate HR can google about you in a NSA powered background search. And what whether your profiled as a good tax right off or not.
Never trust Page industries.
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Those before 1776.
Nah you guys are right Occupy was a joke. By verge, I say decades, shits pretty bad economically here. Worse than it was 15 years ago and we were rattling sabers here in the south about it while CNN was reporting on the first Iraq war. So we'll see in another 15 years what goes down. But shits looking uglier every year.
Basically a "Veterans" day type parade/demonstration. Very lawful, not even civil disobedience. Until they were denied permits.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/09/11/2-million-bikers-to-dc-motorcycle-riders-roll-into-washington/
It was about not getting a permit to demonstrate their Patriotism. While a Muslim group did. People pretty pissed at the beucratic asshats in DC right now.
Its not really factual, theres books and books written about how we allowed this to happen. And promoted it for two decades. Placing the blame and fear on al-Qaida is as irrational as not getting all the facts and letting history repeat itself.
Tons of whistleblowers who made the sacrifice to attempt to educate the American public about the whole situation. Yet they have been very effectively silenced by organizations working with our intelligence agencies. Over issues of "Secrecy".
Everything we do over there actually does nothing more then legitimize the different tribal groups attachment to groups like al-Qaida and Hezbollah (or whatever). Every country we invade. Everything we bomb. Just reinforces their holy war against the evil empire from the people who matter most to recruit for them.
The U.S.A. is doing a good job destabilizing, and toppling the little fiefdoms or threatening to for al-Qaida. Once we consolidate the Middle eastern fiefdoms into one easy to attack target I'm sure he would have been grateful for us doing all the bloody grunt work. Even if we were successful at an impossible task like that without destroying ourselves first, both economically, and morally (pun with morale, intended).
nice find.