By that token we are also responsible for voicing our opinions on how the internet should be managed both politically and economically. And academically. Or however it is you participate in your democracy.
It did long ago, but it got subsidized by corporate and private interests. Universities, and nerds. AND OUR TAX MONEY. FOR US. FOR THE GREATER COMMON GOOD... sorry for all the caps. They have every right to produce and roll out their own hardware and bug it. But not on the networks we connect to the backbone. Let them monitor their backbones and sell it as a service. But really ATnT should care. But they don't they serve the same interests as the alphabet soup agencies, just under a different guise.
Not so they could catch terrorists "easier". We are defeating the very purpose for which the internet was "funded".
We **** Own **** our society and its works. Equally.
This is just CIA/NSA propaganda. Grocery store celeb news mags for people "afraid". Something "terrible" is gonna happen one day if we don't justify our fucked society.
To further my point. Look at how many murders happen in prisons, or the military. Shit happens. No totalitarian state will fix it.
Freedom and liberty increases your own safety. It is the #1 benefactor in any society. It is why America was great for a 100 years. It never was perfect. But it was great.
I don't need to live in a perfectly safe and sanitary society. Not my problem. Stop wrecking my society and culture. Learn self defense. Make good friends and networks. Build community. Or live responsibly.
Stop creating dystopian bullshit. It is not as effective as your OVERLORDS would lead you to believe.
B.S. they don't harass people on false positives for that shit. They just see what cars are in the area to look for further leads. I don't trust some software only cop who's never been on the street to run this program and you know its going to end up the Beuro of "wheres waldo" and their going to be digging into everyones lives. Harrassing people and arresting them for whatever floats their boat.
This face recognition BS is to far down the slippery slope. What next. I deserve to be left alone. I would rather a thousand murders to go free. Those murderers of YOU are not my problem to deal with.
Stop murdering our privacy. I can handle myself just fine without it.
How about lets start with one law, one rule. Don't impinge upon someone else's LIFE LIBERTY OR PROPERTY. Not for your gain or protection or anything. You need to be responsible for that shit.
Define hard work. Define ownership. IP law does neither. It defines means for which corporations can abuse either case. It has been proven time and again in history and argued for and against. The experiment has run. And what we currently have now is what is causing the "hobbyist abuses".
We, upstanding, law abiding, participating citizens of whatever countries you live in are not responsible for the current state of affairs in regards to this issue.
We did not create the utter lack of respect for human creativity and dignity. For commerce and free trade. For sharing distribution networks. No we monetized it. Created slavery. And pyramid schemes.
For that we will all pay. And it is our DUTY to voice our opinion. It is best to do it by pointing out the problems and disobeying authority until we change the status quo. Were long past ignoring it and trying to hope some politician will voice our will.
The end result will still allow people to earn money for creative work. But it will not be in the hands of the few. It will end up in the hands of the many. This is not your choice to inflict on all of humanity. We do not agree to your terms of service.
I consider this particular battle lost. No point in listening to what I already know... I have heard it all before. I don't necessarily disagree. But I have a different perspective on our 'grant system' and Universities.
Apparently going off on tangent Monsanto wrecked my point. Which is everyday people, most of us, who don't reach elite levels of self importance and education and monetary reward from our "betters" aint seen shit and were still pissed and think this is bullshit.
Oh well. I'm trying to talk to the wrong crowed here. Let me find another soap box somewhere else.
I think figuring out genetics and giving the info away because its our motherfucking universities getting grants and doing the research which we all pay for out of all of our pockets would be sweet. By the way. And if that indeed is how this works great.
Sounds to me like corporate speak for, lets patent 5 more cancer drugs and watch the flies die because they got fucked by their environment, us, industry, bad food, bad lifestyles, didn't have an opportunity because they were just dumb bear drinking humans... not all seeing eye ones...
*So no net benefit to society as a whole and this article is just a bunch of $$ numbers to make politicians feel good about themselves and middle men university grads.
There is enough economic incentive to do this kind of research anyway that it does not need to rely wholly on grants. And if the majority of this research comes out of grants. I am going to say we have seen better results from NPO's and private charities building food forests and doing experimental farming in places like Africa.
The majority of articles I have seen in the news leads me to believe that genomic agricultural research is mostly to keep the rich people rich. That includes the Chinese rich along with the Western rich. Two classes of untouchables at this point.
I still eat what comes out of publics and its no were near as good as what the Swedes eat. I think the American people are getting bamboozled. I don't have sources and citations for you. Just gut feeling and instinct. But its good enough for me. And I know how I feel today compared to how I felt 10 years ago.
People have no idea how the universe works and will "use" science or religion for furthering their own agenda's no matter what it does.
HOWEVER.... DOT DOT DOT (emphasized)... this study seems fairly unbiased...
Pollen > human health? Other insects > human health? Something in the ecosystem feeding on the trees or something living or feeding on the trees > human health
We grew up in a complex environment (as a species) and we are trying to simplify and concretify (yes a made up word) that environment into little terrariums. Thats the #1 cause of disease right there.
Thats a completely biased opinion for you tools. Bathed both in science, religion, anecdotes, and random life experience. Don't like it. Or how I came to that conclusion. Well oh well lol...
Soy is just as bad as corn when it comes to the agricultural genocide of our ecosystems. Otherwise I like fried soy chunks however they are flavored.
The problem is when people fixate on any one solution. Steak is nice and everyone deserves an opportunity to try it. I would supplement my diet with algae and insects if it was cost effective and tasted fine (which I'm sure many do).
Doesn't have to be closest to be centrally located with the center point of another object... Yes for spheres this is generally true. But not all the time.
MMO's are the visual progression of MUDs into theme parks. Where the something to do was a strategic mind puzzle in combat with your team mates. They've been watered down into theme parks now. A few tried a bit of tactical puzzle as well. But that remains more of an FPS baby.
The other part of MMO's was the metagame. Which detracts from the immersion and amusement park. Meaning the trend to simplify, tone down, and obscure stats and effects.
In muds you could kill your character with things like nuclear blasts wiping out several rooms at once. Muds were about community and player interaction and usually had very limited leveling curves. 30 max. With few abilities that either mattered or were required for reaching max level. Gear was 'rented' out on your character etc..
I think MUDs are a bit to hardcore and more about different game points than I like. Not sure if I would go back to them as a starting point for a new MMO. But I would take a look at current MMO's vs old MMO's.
EQ was sandboxy. There were no real limitations on where you could go. You could make a level 4 rogue and sneak down to the bottom of a level 50 dungeon if you wanted to explore. You could run accross the world with a warrior at level 1 from 1 city to the next. The game became more about incentives and less about exploration though as the newness wore off and the player populace congregated around the easy to reach spots. If there was a way to increase reward equally with risk and time. The exploration aspect would have lasted a lot longer. People out in the middle of East Karana hunting gnolls at level 12. I did that because Black Burrow was boring and I had leveled a character there already. I think I went with a group to almost every spot in that game at every level pre-50. Just to try something different. I'm also insane and wasted too much time doing that.
I wonder if you could use this in a manufacturing process. Make the material at sea level. Put it in a basket. Drop it down and let the energy of the ocean do all the work of compressing the material...
If this works out please remember me and be sure to mention how awesome a random dood on the internet was when you are a billionaire.
Now your trolling. Our government is in cahoots with the big investors in it. Which surprisingly are campaign funders and not tax payers. Campaign funders are the income our government really has. Tax money goes through the revolving door to the people that fund the campaigns.
Waco could have been handled so much better than "lets roll motherfucking tanks through there". If you want to do a bit of research you can see clear paths of escalation on both sides and little attempt at deescalation and dealing with the problem even another day.
It did not start out with anyone threatening harm on anyone. It escalated to that level. Mostly because the government would not back off. They could have bagged the guy another day.
I didn't call conspiracy. I pointed out a potential issue and failure in a complex system. And than discussed with you in previous comments at least possible measures of reform. Than you come here and call me a conspiracy nut and tell me everything is just fine and we should not worry about this kind of overreach of massive amounts of power + money + chilling influence on our society.
You cannot tell me that everyone believing they are constantly being monitored can be a good thing. In the short term perhaps if everyone jumps to extremely secure communications protocols. But in the long run it creates all kinds of bad animosity if people do not believe they can freely associate in public view.
I don't even think the spying is that evil. It is the scale and scope and who is paying for it. Us.
The reason given. That it is a "critical tool". Is flawed. I call B.S. on that. And your initial argument is that it isn't B.S.
I made another post here that pointed out that the real threats to "National Security" wouldn't even be using public communications.
This is tantamount to recording every conversation in a football stadium just to keep the stadium safe. It is completely overbearing. It is like the parent that won't let a child read books because they fear "evil influences".
Well I think there was this cave in the Midwest (one of the largest underground cave systems). I saw a special on it from Nat Geo or Discovery or History or A&E. It was rumored at some point this facility had paper files on every person in the United States in rows and rows of giant filing cabinets. So it is very likely that this has been going on for a long time and you are absolutely correct it could go way deeper than just metadata. See PRISM. What is being done with all that info. I cannot really say for sure.
I spent a few hours raging at the issue yesterday and decided it would be better to just bury my head back in the sand until we get more information.
By the way some links of the facility I think I remember... it could be an annex to this or another one. This looks like its up for grabs on the real estate market though... and relatively cheap. Crazy how the world changes. Because this place use to be one of our top secret places during the cold war.
There is a video of a truck driver driving through and delivering supplies leaked on a conspiracy nut site. But I think it is from after when the facility started to be decommissioned.
The facility I remember was rumored to be extremely large and indeed big enough to hold a file folder on everyone at the time 1980's. I suppose the government had to upgrade at some point.
I really wish I could afford a place like that... I would so have an underground lair if I could.
We are elitists in this regard yes. Well I am. I can't speak for the other guy. I can remain silent and quite for days in mindful meditation. I expect my peers to be able to while in the car. I chose not to have children because I see better uses of my energy in society.
P.S. I have friends with plenty children and they are nice, if not a little ignorant and annoying people. So feel free to mod me a troll again for this particular statement.
But we deserve a pat on our back for looking at this kind of stuff objectively. I suppose in the situation you define. He is already in it. And there is little he can do to immediately change it. Same goes for his family. So by finding another solution and increasing their quality of life he did alright and it was a smart move.
But I pride myself on perfection before failure. Even if I do fail quite a lot. People aught to think about it even if they cannot turn back the clock. Looking forward with planning and a solid mental attitude that is implacable and strong is better than being dependent on technology for what most consider day to day activities that were just as easy prior to the advent of said technology. Some of us see this kind of dependence as a weakness. But again as you point out it may not be dependence, just an alternative solution to a unique problem.
I really shouldn't be judging. But I wanted to let you know were I at least came from.
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By that token we are also responsible for voicing our opinions on how the internet should be managed both politically and economically. And academically. Or however it is you participate in your democracy.
It did long ago, but it got subsidized by corporate and private interests. Universities, and nerds. AND OUR TAX MONEY. FOR US. FOR THE GREATER COMMON GOOD... sorry for all the caps. They have every right to produce and roll out their own hardware and bug it. But not on the networks we connect to the backbone. Let them monitor their backbones and sell it as a service. But really ATnT should care. But they don't they serve the same interests as the alphabet soup agencies, just under a different guise.
Not so they could catch terrorists "easier". We are defeating the very purpose for which the internet was "funded".
We **** Own **** our society and its works. Equally.
Replace budget with politics and or information control and your a winner.
The total cost in currency is great. But the actually "energy needed" is not extremely high compared to what we exert on other tasks.
We could direct a great deal of effort to space exploration and development. But our OVERLORDS disallow this.
The knowledge and information is pretty well fleshed out. Or at least the solid basis of it is. /tinfoilhat
This is just CIA/NSA propaganda. Grocery store celeb news mags for people "afraid". Something "terrible" is gonna happen one day if we don't justify our fucked society.
To further my point. Look at how many murders happen in prisons, or the military. Shit happens. No totalitarian state will fix it.
Freedom and liberty increases your own safety. It is the #1 benefactor in any society. It is why America was great for a 100 years. It never was perfect. But it was great.
I don't need to live in a perfectly safe and sanitary society. Not my problem. Stop wrecking my society and culture. Learn self defense. Make good friends and networks. Build community. Or live responsibly.
Stop creating dystopian bullshit. It is not as effective as your OVERLORDS would lead you to believe.
B.S. they don't harass people on false positives for that shit. They just see what cars are in the area to look for further leads. I don't trust some software only cop who's never been on the street to run this program and you know its going to end up the Beuro of "wheres waldo" and their going to be digging into everyones lives. Harrassing people and arresting them for whatever floats their boat.
This face recognition BS is to far down the slippery slope. What next. I deserve to be left alone. I would rather a thousand murders to go free. Those murderers of YOU are not my problem to deal with.
Stop murdering our privacy. I can handle myself just fine without it.
How about lets start with one law, one rule. Don't impinge upon someone else's LIFE LIBERTY OR PROPERTY. Not for your gain or protection or anything. You need to be responsible for that shit.
Define hard work. Define ownership. IP law does neither. It defines means for which corporations can abuse either case. It has been proven time and again in history and argued for and against. The experiment has run. And what we currently have now is what is causing the "hobbyist abuses".
We, upstanding, law abiding, participating citizens of whatever countries you live in are not responsible for the current state of affairs in regards to this issue.
We did not create the utter lack of respect for human creativity and dignity. For commerce and free trade. For sharing distribution networks. No we monetized it. Created slavery. And pyramid schemes.
For that we will all pay. And it is our DUTY to voice our opinion. It is best to do it by pointing out the problems and disobeying authority until we change the status quo. Were long past ignoring it and trying to hope some politician will voice our will.
The end result will still allow people to earn money for creative work. But it will not be in the hands of the few. It will end up in the hands of the many. This is not your choice to inflict on all of humanity. We do not agree to your terms of service.
I consider this particular battle lost. No point in listening to what I already know... I have heard it all before. I don't necessarily disagree. But I have a different perspective on our 'grant system' and Universities.
Apparently going off on tangent Monsanto wrecked my point. Which is everyday people, most of us, who don't reach elite levels of self importance and education and monetary reward from our "betters" aint seen shit and were still pissed and think this is bullshit.
Oh well. I'm trying to talk to the wrong crowed here. Let me find another soap box somewhere else.
I think figuring out genetics and giving the info away because its our motherfucking universities getting grants and doing the research which we all pay for out of all of our pockets would be sweet. By the way. And if that indeed is how this works great.
Sounds to me like corporate speak for, lets patent 5 more cancer drugs and watch the flies die because they got fucked by their environment, us, industry, bad food, bad lifestyles, didn't have an opportunity because they were just dumb bear drinking humans... not all seeing eye ones...
Amen the trolls are finally right. Lol.
*So no net benefit to society as a whole and this article is just a bunch of $$ numbers to make politicians feel good about themselves and middle men university grads.
There is enough economic incentive to do this kind of research anyway that it does not need to rely wholly on grants. And if the majority of this research comes out of grants. I am going to say we have seen better results from NPO's and private charities building food forests and doing experimental farming in places like Africa.
The majority of articles I have seen in the news leads me to believe that genomic agricultural research is mostly to keep the rich people rich. That includes the Chinese rich along with the Western rich. Two classes of untouchables at this point.
I still eat what comes out of publics and its no were near as good as what the Swedes eat. I think the American people are getting bamboozled. I don't have sources and citations for you. Just gut feeling and instinct. But its good enough for me. And I know how I feel today compared to how I felt 10 years ago.
To protect Monsanto from mega lawsuits and ensure lobbying goes into place to make sure all genomes are on 200 year leases.
Why the fuck do I need new processors that I can cook my breakfast with?
People have no idea how the universe works and will "use" science or religion for furthering their own agenda's no matter what it does.
HOWEVER.... DOT DOT DOT (emphasized)... this study seems fairly unbiased...
Pollen > human health?
Other insects > human health?
Something in the ecosystem feeding on the trees or something living or feeding on the trees > human health
We grew up in a complex environment (as a species) and we are trying to simplify and concretify (yes a made up word) that environment into little terrariums. Thats the #1 cause of disease right there.
Thats a completely biased opinion for you tools. Bathed both in science, religion, anecdotes, and random life experience. Don't like it. Or how I came to that conclusion. Well oh well lol...
Soy is just as bad as corn when it comes to the agricultural genocide of our ecosystems. Otherwise I like fried soy chunks however they are flavored.
The problem is when people fixate on any one solution. Steak is nice and everyone deserves an opportunity to try it. I would supplement my diet with algae and insects if it was cost effective and tasted fine (which I'm sure many do).
Doesn't have to be closest to be centrally located with the center point of another object... Yes for spheres this is generally true. But not all the time.
Tasmania was the center point or centrally located section of that hemisphere from the roids perspective.
Actually I don't know anything about this. But that seems like an easy assumption to make =)
MMO's are the visual progression of MUDs into theme parks. Where the something to do was a strategic mind puzzle in combat with your team mates. They've been watered down into theme parks now. A few tried a bit of tactical puzzle as well. But that remains more of an FPS baby.
The other part of MMO's was the metagame. Which detracts from the immersion and amusement park. Meaning the trend to simplify, tone down, and obscure stats and effects.
In muds you could kill your character with things like nuclear blasts wiping out several rooms at once. Muds were about community and player interaction and usually had very limited leveling curves. 30 max. With few abilities that either mattered or were required for reaching max level. Gear was 'rented' out on your character etc..
I think MUDs are a bit to hardcore and more about different game points than I like. Not sure if I would go back to them as a starting point for a new MMO. But I would take a look at current MMO's vs old MMO's.
EQ was sandboxy. There were no real limitations on where you could go. You could make a level 4 rogue and sneak down to the bottom of a level 50 dungeon if you wanted to explore. You could run accross the world with a warrior at level 1 from 1 city to the next. The game became more about incentives and less about exploration though as the newness wore off and the player populace congregated around the easy to reach spots. If there was a way to increase reward equally with risk and time. The exploration aspect would have lasted a lot longer. People out in the middle of East Karana hunting gnolls at level 12. I did that because Black Burrow was boring and I had leveled a character there already. I think I went with a group to almost every spot in that game at every level pre-50. Just to try something different. I'm also insane and wasted too much time doing that.
He's using tor and proxies YO! And Amazon super cloud. Also his IP address says he is from China! BUUURRNNNN HIMMM!!
I wonder if you could use this in a manufacturing process. Make the material at sea level. Put it in a basket. Drop it down and let the energy of the ocean do all the work of compressing the material...
If this works out please remember me and be sure to mention how awesome a random dood on the internet was when you are a billionaire.
Now your trolling. Our government is in cahoots with the big investors in it. Which surprisingly are campaign funders and not tax payers. Campaign funders are the income our government really has. Tax money goes through the revolving door to the people that fund the campaigns.
Waco could have been handled so much better than "lets roll motherfucking tanks through there". If you want to do a bit of research you can see clear paths of escalation on both sides and little attempt at deescalation and dealing with the problem even another day.
It did not start out with anyone threatening harm on anyone. It escalated to that level. Mostly because the government would not back off. They could have bagged the guy another day.
I didn't call conspiracy. I pointed out a potential issue and failure in a complex system. And than discussed with you in previous comments at least possible measures of reform. Than you come here and call me a conspiracy nut and tell me everything is just fine and we should not worry about this kind of overreach of massive amounts of power + money + chilling influence on our society.
You cannot tell me that everyone believing they are constantly being monitored can be a good thing. In the short term perhaps if everyone jumps to extremely secure communications protocols. But in the long run it creates all kinds of bad animosity if people do not believe they can freely associate in public view.
I don't even think the spying is that evil. It is the scale and scope and who is paying for it. Us.
The reason given. That it is a "critical tool". Is flawed. I call B.S. on that. And your initial argument is that it isn't B.S.
I made another post here that pointed out that the real threats to "National Security" wouldn't even be using public communications.
This is tantamount to recording every conversation in a football stadium just to keep the stadium safe. It is completely overbearing. It is like the parent that won't let a child read books because they fear "evil influences".
Well I think there was this cave in the Midwest (one of the largest underground cave systems). I saw a special on it from Nat Geo or Discovery or History or A&E. It was rumored at some point this facility had paper files on every person in the United States in rows and rows of giant filing cabinets. So it is very likely that this has been going on for a long time and you are absolutely correct it could go way deeper than just metadata. See PRISM. What is being done with all that info. I cannot really say for sure.
I spent a few hours raging at the issue yesterday and decided it would be better to just bury my head back in the sand until we get more information.
By the way some links of the facility I think I remember... it could be an annex to this or another one. This looks like its up for grabs on the real estate market though... and relatively cheap. Crazy how the world changes. Because this place use to be one of our top secret places during the cold war.
http://gsaauctions.gov/gsaauctions/aucdsclnk?sl=FTWOR713005001
http://www.almc.army.mil/alog/issues/MayJun99/MS353.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchison_Storage_Facility
There is a video of a truck driver driving through and delivering supplies leaked on a conspiracy nut site. But I think it is from after when the facility started to be decommissioned.
The facility I remember was rumored to be extremely large and indeed big enough to hold a file folder on everyone at the time 1980's. I suppose the government had to upgrade at some point.
I really wish I could afford a place like that... I would so have an underground lair if I could.
We are elitists in this regard yes. Well I am. I can't speak for the other guy. I can remain silent and quite for days in mindful meditation. I expect my peers to be able to while in the car. I chose not to have children because I see better uses of my energy in society.
P.S. I have friends with plenty children and they are nice, if not a little ignorant and annoying people. So feel free to mod me a troll again for this particular statement.
But we deserve a pat on our back for looking at this kind of stuff objectively. I suppose in the situation you define. He is already in it. And there is little he can do to immediately change it. Same goes for his family. So by finding another solution and increasing their quality of life he did alright and it was a smart move.
But I pride myself on perfection before failure. Even if I do fail quite a lot. People aught to think about it even if they cannot turn back the clock. Looking forward with planning and a solid mental attitude that is implacable and strong is better than being dependent on technology for what most consider day to day activities that were just as easy prior to the advent of said technology. Some of us see this kind of dependence as a weakness. But again as you point out it may not be dependence, just an alternative solution to a unique problem.
I really shouldn't be judging. But I wanted to let you know were I at least came from.