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2 Men Accused of Trying To Make X-Ray Weapon
gurps_npc writes "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists were caught in upstate NY when they tried to solicit money from various honorable Jewish organizations to build a truck based x-ray weapon. They intended to drive the truck around and then turn on the x-ray machine, focusing on enemies of Israel. But the Jewish organizations they tried to solicit money from refused to participate. Instead they called the FBI, who promptly set up a sting. The men were arrested before the machine was in working order."
... I can see right thru it.
This sig is not paradoxical or ironic.
No such thing!
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
to demand that people take off their shoes.
They were probably just broke and got solicited by undercover FBI goons to make a "terrorist" plot.
"So what are you in for?"
"Mad science."
rumor has it they got their x-ray training right under the nose of the TSA without raising suspicion
No muss, no fuss.
Anything is acceptable. burning witches, executing gays, xraying muslims, rocketing israelis, raping kids, car bombing protestants. its all good as long as god agrees....and if you read your books there are passages that'll help you along :)
also known as "Ark of the Covenant". Moses should thank God that the Egyptians didn't have the NSA.
Do you even lift?
These aren't the 'roids you're looking for.
Gotta say, after everything I've heard on the Internet; the Zionist conspiracy really doesn't live up to the hype...
Nazi doctors used X-rays to try to sterilize Jews.
Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
Slashdot's report of this news has now clarified to me that one or more of the following is taking place:
1) The editors at Slashdot who curate the submissions don't bother to check the basic sources
2) The editors at Slashdot have some sort of Antisemitic agenda
Why would I say that? If you bother to read the second sentence of the article you will notice that the weapon builders were not Jews. Rather, they tried to get some Jewish organizations to sponsor such a weapon, something which they would have no part of, so they promptly called the FBI.
Why open your clip with the words "Two radical pro-Israel terrorists"? These same "Jews" also contacted the KKK for funding. They are just a couple of low lives looking to make a quick buck.
This is purely laughable reporting on Slashdot's part, and I have lost my trust in your ability to report without bias. This is not negligence, it is clear bias.
There's plenty that Israel has done that could be considered crimes beyond survival. However, "Israel" and "Jews" are only slightly more synonymous than "Muslims" and "Iraq".
Back when I was a kid I had an old used book, a collection of Amateur Scientist articles from Scientific American. One of them discussed how to repurpose certain old Vacuum Tubes, from back in the days before transistors, to produce X-Rays. Definitely outside the original operating envelop, but the X-ray photos, taken with film that had to be developed with chemicals, were quite impressive.
Naturally, by the 70s, when I first saw the article, the necessary vacuum tubes were all but impossible to find. And my parents were somewhat less than enthusiastic about the whole project.
But, yes, homemade X-ray machines are quite viable! The life expectancy of the person playing with this technology, not so much...
I feel old. Suppose I ought to thank Mom & Dad for curbing my scientific curiosity...
So they're going to potentially cancer them to death? Wow. It'd take a nuclear reactor to power an Xray beam powerful enough to give someone massive radiation poisoning or melt them or something and then you might as well just throw the nuclear reactor itself at them, lol.
It's one thing to be an AC troll but someone modded this insightful. Did they not read it right?
This sounds almost like what the government is already deploying. In one context, x-ray trucks are terrorism. In the other, they're part of the counter-terrorism effort.
And yes, I know the doses would be different, but where do you draw the line?
Really glad to hear that it was Jewish Americans who turned the crazies in. Hopefully many of the mosques in America that encounter radical and/or terrorism sympathetic persons will rise to the occasion and do the same when they hear something actionable, instead of waiting for the government to find the bad guys without assistance. And for knee-jerk liberals who are about to pile onto me: yes, Wahhabi and other radical literature is very widely available and promulgated in American Islamic circles. The FBI wasn't spying on mosques to eavesdrop on people agonizing over temptation to eat bacon. And yes: I do personally know some Christian "crazies", and if I ever hear something actionable (i.e. dangerous and illegal) I will also call law enforcement. (Did I dodge the knee jerk liberal piling-on?)
Mine is purely for target practice...
Targets -look- like animals, :-)
but not one of them has to die.
Obviously the Jews that turned in the pro-Israelis are self-hating Nazi scum!
Seastead this.
He's saying the fact that Jews survive is their biggest crime. Are you aware of that?
Big old X-ray tubes that are used for taking pictures of welds in bulkheads, etc. I heard a story that some guy in the '80s killed one of his co-workers on purpose by aiming the tube through a wall at his victim. Having worked with the bigger tubes, I can see it.
Why do they let Israel do what the lovely American Jewish activist
(Anna Baltzer) helps document, eg, on YouTube:
"Life in occupied Palestine" (about 1 hour in length)
+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrOdCG7RrvE
(She says most of the road-blocks are -within- the occupied territories,
not on the boundaries with Israel. Seems like harassment to me, for 1.)
I, for one, was -appalled- to see the way people are treated - within
Israel's borders - behind the tall, metal "Palestine wall" of separation.
I see/hear -nothing- about any of this on our media... nor even, eg:
+ http://jewish.tv/ -or-
+ http://aish.com/ -nor-
+ http://613.org/
which I consider otherwise -excellent- sites!
(OK, last time I checked, 613.org was just
a bit -amateur- but only in web site styling,
not in its content.)
"What's that big truck in front of our office?"
"I don't know, and why is your spleen showing on my laptop?"
Table-ized A.I.
Nowhere does the article or summary say or imply this was an Israeli operation. Rather, a couple of nutcases decided on their own to attack those that they perceived as enemies of Israel.
Quattuor res in hoc mundo sanctae sunt: libri, liberi, libertas et liberalitas.
"radical terrorist" is something interesting. That suggests there could be some "moderate terrorist". Anyone encountered that weird kind of terrorist?
Yeah, God forbid that the Jews have a way to survive.
Sure, except this was another example of citizens volunteering information about obvious terrorists. PRISM wasn't involved.
apparently the spying didn't get any results, again
Headline says the they're accused of building a weapon. Summary says they're accused of conspiracy to commit murder. Who to believe? I could RTFA, but what if that lists a third possibility?
Someone probably read it as "the Jew's only crime is surviving" which may have been worthy of an insightful. Either that, or they thought the mod was "inciteful".
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couldn't resist...
Nowhere does the article or summary say or imply this was an Israeli operation. Rather, a couple of nutcases decided on their own to attack those that they perceived as enemies of Israel.
... and I have a bridge for sale! Send me some money and I'll send a pic!
No really, you have to try very hard to believe they were after anything but money from people unable to report the scam afterwards. Notice how the undercover agents had to give them money, and that produced a remote control. Remote to what... I mean they probably just dressed up a RC plane/car radio and turned around asking for more "funding". No doubt they would have constructed SOMETHING if the agents offered a sweet enough deal, maybe that's bad enough in itself, but "terrorism" revolves almost entirely around intent, and they were 99.999999% likely bluffing about actual risks they would be willing to take.
I'm not saying they should get off lightly, just that calling me a nutcase for trying to sell a bridge on the Internet makes one look kind of daft.
"both said they were committed to building the device and named the group 'the guild,' the indictment said."
Vork and Zaboo, no!
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http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
Timothy McVeigh. Blew up Oklahoma building.
Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber.
David Koresh and the Branch Davidians.
So many idiots going in and shooting up schools.
Not one of them muslim.
They are supposed to "Ask Slashdot"
How can I build my own industrial-strength truck-mounted x-ray machine
then wade through the 90% of responses that amount to "do your own homework" and 9% of slightly-but-lethally-wrong answers in hopes of finding the 1% of answers that are close to correct and not lethally broken.
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
The damper only sees several kV pulses, not enough to generate X-rays strong enough to get out of the tube.
The culprits in old color TVs were the HV rectifier, the HV shunt regulator, and the CRT itself.
Good article on the TV X-ray issue in the April 1968 issue of Popular Science, available on Google Books.
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Koresh and the Branch Davidians were hardly terrorists. The FBI shot first.
The idiots shooting up schools are just that, idiots. They're not doing it to terrorize for some political or religious end.
I'll give you McVeigh and Kaczynski.
-- Alastair
The most violent, racist, ultra-right-wing party in the UK is known as the EDL (English Defence League). It is openly financed by Israel and zionist groups within the UK that have links to Israel. The 'Star of David' is the unofficial symbol of EDL, and proudly appears at many of their mass 'actions'.
The current version of the KKK in the USA is pro-zionist and anti-Muslim. It follows the same racist logic as the evangelical movements in the USA, all of which are zionist, and all of which support and encourage Israel's many Crimes against Humanity.
Israel is the most racist state on the planet. Only in the last year it was caught sterilizing (usually without their knowledge) black immigrant women in Africa before they were given permission to enter Israel. Israel is also the centre of the illegal world trade in organs harvested from living donors.
Israel and Saudi Arabia are the siamese twins of depravity that the US takes greatest pride in protecting. Rich Saudis in need of organ transplants have the work done in hospitals operated by Israel. The previous owner of the organ will frequently be a half-dead Turk (half-dead AFTER letting an Israeli 'doctor' illegally harvest his/her organ). Other 'donors' are not so lucky, like the Serbs kidnapped in Kosovo for the sole purpose of organ harvesting (go Google if you don't believe me).
Israel boats that it has nuclear war-heads aimed at EVERY major Muslim civilian population centre on the planet. Israel boats that any attempt by any world court to hold it accountable for its war crimes will lead to these weapons being used.
The owners of Slashdot are zionists, of course, and were proud to deny Iranian citizens access to the open-source facilities they host alongside Slashdot. They did this as part of the Israel sponsored program to encourage war against Iran. Apparently the depraved racists of Israel are the only people in the Middle-East entitled to nuclear technology. Every-one else is too 'sub-Human' according to the zionists. Where have I heard THAT logic before?
They are feasible, but take a moderately powerful nuclear explosion to power them. So, basically you get one shot, and the delivery system is vaporized at the same time! :-)
Well, it is called dark sarcasm. See, the comment refers to this news info timed to switch on the paranoid dendrite in the sheeple, so the PRISM thing seems necessary and justified, even if they aren't directly related.
zenlessyank was here
Dan Rather has been doing this for years.
No brain, no pain.
And here I was thinking all jews have superior IQ.
You did that all wrong. When you state a convoluted mess like that, you have to preface it with "Yo Dawg! I heard you liked...."
At least that is what my teenagers tell me.
If you are looking for enemies of Israel, the LAST place you should look is the US.
The US (and it's WWII allies), are the ones responsible for creating Israel in the first place, and without CONSTANT military support from the US, Israel would quickly cease to exist.
If a bunch of crazy Jewish terrorists WANT to attack the US, I'm all for it. Hopefully it will wake people up and make them question why we have been propping up a failed ideal (and pissing off the Arabs) for the last 60 years.
Is creating terror for non-religious, non-political reasons not still terrorism?
Even if the guy's sole motivation is to get his 15 minutes of fame, using terror to achieve that goal makes him a terrorist.
I don't care if it's 90,000 hectares. That lake was not my doing.
But if the idiots and Koresh had just happened to be muslim, wanna bet they would be immediately categorised as terrorists?
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Mobile unit, runs on batteries, would fit in a van. However....its only a mobile xray unit. Claims ~1900 exposures per charge. I doubt it is made to run in continuous output.... and still only going to be effective at a very short range.
Maybe if you parked a van along a route that your target walked several times a day, for multiple days.... and his path took him within a few feet of the side of the van....and the van.... its not a metal body is it? That's going to be a problem too. Not entirely impossible that a dangerous dose could be delivered, and by dangerous I mean like, increasing his chance of cancer and possibly thyroid or kidney issues in his old age sort of dangerous.
So two things:
1. He went to jewish groups, after going to the Klan:
But Doesn't the Klan hate the Zionists? Huh? This guy is just playing the I hate muslims thing....ok, that works I guess. Still, a bit of a douche move to pitch it to the Klan and then adopt the "Enemies of Israel" spiel. Good salesmanship I guess.
2. This seems overly complex and expensive. Shit, at that point, why not just buy some laser diodes and have a hand portable device capable of blinding someone permenantly from a safe distance, and instantly? Oh.... wait... that would only cost a few hundred bucks.
So I am thinking the scam artists who were looking to take some people for some cash they couldn't rightly sue him for the return of, got caught up in a bigger con game where the FBI set them up to con us into thinking that we really need their protection.
I bet you if they didn't arrest them when they did, they would have driven off with the van and disappeared, gone back to the KKK and offered their services, and then shopped around for more suckers. If they finds out it doesn't expose film, they would have had some films made up and claimed its too dangerous to be nearby while it runs.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
If the idiots or Koresh just happened to be Muslim, you can bet they would have been classified as terrorists.
So these guys were soliciting money to build a weapon to target enemies of Israel.
Was their crime that they didn't use a drone, or that they wanted to do it in the U.S and not in Pakistan or Afghanistan?
Couldn't you just send money to General Atomics?
I believe the Branch Davidians shot first when the ATF agents were on the roof.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
This appears to be a quote from a character from the book "Feeders".
I'd guess that the only thing wrong, though, is that there'd almost certainly be no benefit from more than, say, 2 chest X-rays per year, even for older, at-risk patients (and certainly younger patients should have much less reason to be exposed).
Bad enough we have to deal with radical Islamic terrorists, now we have to deal with Jewish ones too? Now we just gotta get the Christian radicals out there and we can relive the dark ages!
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I thought he was going for sarcasm. The people who actually believe that tripe don't use or understand the longer words in that post.
Fascism combines elements of both the right and the left while being moderate on few, if any, aspects.
You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
Something doesn't seem right about this. They couldn't scrape up a few thousand dollars on their own?
"Hi! Will you give us some money so we can buy a powerful X-ray and a remote control for it so we can burn down people? No? Do you know anyone who might?"
Like Checkov running around San Francisco asking where the nuclear vwessels are.
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
These guys were just attempting to build a weapon, they aren't successful, they go to jail (good).
TSA agents are scanning people every day with harmful X-rays....
They're allowed to continue, and nothing bad happens to the people who allowed this.
A coworker that was living down the road from the Davidian compound tells me that the Dividians had been legally shooting rifles on their property. A neighbor made a noise complaint and the local sheriff had already been out and worked out a compromise to resolve the complaint. As the story goes, the issue had already been resolved with the kooky but harmless Davidians.
A solid science story, and people are going off on tangents. First thing I though, yeah this is a brilliant plan: How long would you have to point an x-ray machine at someone before it would even cause radiation sickness? Several hours or something? Remember, all EM radiation falls off with the square of the distance, so if someone sits in a truck with an x-ray machine pointed at you from across a parking lot, it is losing a lot of potency. It would be much simpler to go stab the person with a broken bottle if you really don't like them that much.
Also, this thing is hardly going to be medical grade safety, so I give you 50/50 odds that the operator ends up dying of radiation poisoning before any of his 'victims'. Finally, you can generate EM radiation without nuclear material, but that would suck down quite a bit of power to create something as energetic as x-rays. This guy going to power that off his car's cigarette lighter ac adapter?
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Jeez, they'd have to light up Obama thousands of times for this to have any effect - no way would it kill him. He probably gets more X-rays from a flight in Air Force 1.
Koresh and the Branch Davidians were hardly terrorists. The FBI shot first.
The idiots shooting up schools are just that, idiots. They're not doing it to terrorize for some political or religious end.
I'll give you McVeigh and Kaczynski.
Why are we limiting this to the US? Chechyan rebels, the IR fucking A?
You've got terrorist organisations in all colours and religions. Saying only Arabs are terrorist is naive to the extreme.
BTW, a lot of mass shootings accompany extremist ideologies. Norway's Anders Brevik for example. So you're wrong with that one too.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
This is just CIA/NSA propaganda. Grocery store celeb news mags for people "afraid". Something "terrible" is gonna happen one day if we don't justify our fucked society.
If what you say is true, not long from now they will arrest some "terrorists" from China, some other "terrorists" from Cuba, from Russia, and from North Korea will be arrested too, and their "weapon of choice" will be ranging from "portable gamma knife" to "dirty bombs" and everything in between
Yep, NSA is here to save the United States of America, and they will catch the "terrorists" and parade them in front of all of us to gawk at
I think you are part of the problem. If we call everything that is harmful to a civil society terrorism, the word loses its meaning.
I thought this was a science fiction but it's really a thing huh? How the well is this weapon gonna work? Shoot high intensity XRays and hope their enemies get cancer in the near future? The idea is pretty awesome on paper though.
Amazing how many people manage to survive without murdering other people. If you assassinate and murder people, you should not be surprised when you are called an assassin and a murderer.
No - that's just being an asshole. Terrorism is the threat, or use of force in order to coerce a people into political change. 15 minutes of fame doesn't quite meet the requirement.
That's an oxymoron, if ever there was.
Seeing that you post here, you're obviously not dead yet, and thus I conclude you've survived so far. Therefore you're guilty of the exact same "crime".
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
Chechyan rebels? And what religion do you think their creed flies under?
Feds, Klan, New Yorkers? Where Bloomberg in all of this, i mean hes got a television network which feeds peoples brains radiation, also solicits stock purchasing! .pdf "THE UGLY TRUTH ABOUT THE ADL" :/
Honestly though, this looks like a setup from a page of the
These ADL and so-called-white-supremacists killed a Christian-Palestinian in LA with a pipe-bomb
Meyer Lansky`s kid too, smells filthy
Muslims, particularly arabs, LOVE silly conspiracy theories -- the crazier the better.
When I was at college, I had some Pakistani guy claim to me that the jews were told not to come in to work on 9/11. Needless to say, my opinion of him dropped through the floor at that point. This is COMPLETELY normal for arabs and muslims. Probably because you have to be credulous, stupid and a bit nasty to begin with.
This reads like another insane middle-eastern conspiracy theory.
I think you are part of the problem. If we call everything that is harmful to a civil society terrorism, the word loses its meaning.
However, it has already lost its meaning because white folk are no longer being classed as terrorists. The classic example being Anders Breivik -- when he struck they cried "terrorist". When it turned out he was a white supremacist, the word disappeared.
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Perhaps they really liked this video clip.
Seems like fair use.
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No, and it never was, otherwise all armed robbers would be terrorists.
The biggest crime of the Jews is the fact of their survival, and as such, every person not supporting their demonization, dehumanization, and double standards against Jews and Israel is a terrorist by definition. Truly, how low can those Juice stoop? What will they think of next...
Calling out Israeli oppression, torture and killing of Palestinians is not demonisation, and it is not dehumanisation. The majority of those who call for the Israeli government and military to be brought before judges in The Hague do not condone the Palestinian suicide bombers, so it is no double standard to say that serving soldiers should not be firing live rounds into school playgrounds.
I feel sorry for the people of Israel, I really do. Prior to World War 2, Europe was a horrible place, defined by xenophobia and division; xenophobia and division that had been managed and manipulated by nation-builders since the Renaissance to create a rabid type of patriotism that medieval kings would have killed for, and which powered the engines of imperial expansion. World War II was the culmination of this philosophy, and the actions of the German Nazi regime shone a mirror on all of us.
World War 2 became a breakpoint, where we had to change, and within Europe we put our energies into building bridges across countries. Before the explosion in mass tourism, town twinning and exchanges were set up so that we would mix across borders and see that people from other countries are human, just like us.
Gradually, over time, we got to the point where countries that had previously been at war practically ceaselessly for centuries were now sitting at a table, putting the final touches onto a plan to share a currency.
The second half of the 20th century was a time of unprecedented peace in Europe, and I feel very lucky to have been born into that.
But unfortunately for the people of Israel, they missed all that. A great many of them left Europe before the reconciliation began, and they have a folk memory that has retained the very worst of the treatment their ancestors received in Europe.
The people of Israel genuinely believe they are reviled by a racist, backward Europe. They believe themselves to be hated with an intensity greater than the animosity shown to (innocent) Muslims in the backlash after the Woolwich attack, an intensity of hate has no currency outside of a few extreme hate groups. They believe this, and they should be pitied for it.
I once heard the Holocaust described as "Europe's dirty little secret." Again, the implication was that Europe hates Jews, and therefore buries this. But the Holocaust is the most widely recognised war atrocities in the world, and one of the most widely discussed features of World War 2. Discussion of the Holocaust centres around the Jews, and what is swept under the carpet is the Gypsies, the Poles, the gays, the disabled... all the other people the Nazis abused institutionally. Oh, and that's not to forget the atrocities committed by the "good guys": the firebombing of Dresden, the looting and pillaging, and the betrayal of the Cossacks at Leinz. The use of nerve agents in WWI, the military tactics that disvalued human life. We have done many bad things and continue to downplay them, but the Holocaust of the Jews is no secret.
So let's get one thing clear: "the Jews" have commited no crime, but the "State of Israel" exists in contravention of international laws, and commits regular atrocities that break those laws. An attack on the State of Israel is not an attack on the Jews.
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Seeing that you post here, you're obviously not dead yet, and thus I conclude you've survived so far. Therefore you're guilty of the exact same "crime".
Yes, and the poster is clearly a Jew, and an Israeli. This is what an unfortunately high number of Israelis believe the outside world thinks of them. They have an institutionalised paranoid victim complex. It's sad, and I pity them, but it does not excuse the ongoing and regular atrocities perpetrated by the Israeli government and military.
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I fear the point went so far over your head you didn't even hear the whoosh. Israel may be mostly Jews, but not all Jews are in/from Israel. Gypsies have done pretty well surviving without having their own country, as have many other groups that have been largely persecuted. My entire point is that Israel has done some shitty stuff but you can't blame "Jews" any more than you can blame "Muslims" for 9/11 or "Christians" for the Inquisition. "Jews" and "Israel" are not one and the same no matter how much people seem to think they are. There's plenty of Jews living elsewhere in the world with little or no ties to the country of Israel.
There are 6 billion people on earths. Among them more than one billion are christians and more than one billion are muslims. Trying to determine who is more prone to violence by listing a handful of examples in a slashdot post is just an exercise in futility. If 0.01 percent of one group engaged in terrorist actions while 0.001 percent of the other group did. You'd have a group 10 times more prone to terrorist violence (while still having a large majority of peaceful members). But seeing that by posting examples would require you posting 100 thousand names for one group and the 10 thousand names for the other group and saying one list is longer than the other.
Sure religion can, but what about economics or evolution? Just a little bit of thought applied to those and you can justify whatever violence you want. The REAL point is that there are evil people. They can and will use any philosophy, science, religion or technology to do bad things.
It saddens me greatly too see people on the internet blindly jumping on the 'religion is the problem' bandwagon. It's just as bad as any of the 'videogames, guns, books, dancing...etc' is the problem thinking.
Can we just accept there are bad people and bad people do bad things with anything? Can we jail just those people without the need to take away everyone else's freedoms?
One last thing: Sometimes I wonder; "Is that someone's signature? Or do they type that at the end of each post?"
They were building this 'weapon' in an abandoned garage (used to be shorty's) in Schaghticoke NY.
Thats twice in the national news in less than a month. The other time being for the dipshit cool kids on the yearbook staff leaving mean captions in the book that they meant to remove before printing.
Of course white people can still be called terrorists, but only if they've DDoSed a corporate website or similar... simply add the "cyber-" prefix and you're ready to go (to court).
Yes, it's ridiculous.
No, the reason they stopped calling him a terrorist is because they decided they were not going to be terrorized or give him a platform. They didn't want him to be seen as a soldier fighting a war or on some kind of crusaded. They demoted him to a simple criminal, a deranged murder.
We could learn a lot from that.
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. . . was the nazis. After testing on prisoners, they found it impractical.
These "friends of Israel" should consider who they are emulating . . .
Which types of ionizing radiation are most easily produced, and most deadly? Having worked on very high powered military aircraft radar, the only warning we were given was that it could cause blindness if exposed to the beam. We had ISAR radar that was interlocked to the weight-on-wheels switch. That prevented it from radiating on the ground. The WoW switch could be bypassed. I had heard anecdotal stories of birds literally falling out of the air, dead, from being exposed to the beam. The beam was wide too, the antenna rotated at 120 RPM.
Well, there is this bit, why is the KKK connection missing from the summary? All the other articles mention it but not this one. Selective journalism? Haha, I am funny. Journalism, by Samsenpus.
I see the feds found a few more patsies to drum up some press. The "Plot" was encouraged by them, they paid for it & they gathered the research materials for the construction of the "weapon". And I can't think up a single reasonable way this could have been used as a weapon. People would have had to line up and stand within feet for a few minutes for a lethal dose of radiation. At most they may have been able to increase the chances of developing cancer by a percent or so in their victims.
That's bullshit. Perhaps you're choosing to ignore the hundreds of white terrorists that were murdering women and children while out shopping with their cowardly bombs. Or how these white terrorists were forcing taxi drivers to deliver bombs to set locations or face having their family wiped out. Yes, believe it or not, the IRA were all white, and were branded terrorists too.
FTFA: Crawford brought Feight, both said they were committed to building the device and named the group "the guild," the indictment said.
I knew it! The Guild of Calamitous Intent really needs to get their act together and reign in these crazies. I blame Phantom Limb.
CERN is compromised and the accelerator is tuned to produce Pions that decay after passing through the planet at a Nuclear facility in a foreign country.
Literally making heir nuclear weapons impotent in the silos.
They discover this and decide to launch a preemptive strike before the warheads are rendered useless.
Only James Bond can save us.. oh wait.. wrong superhero
...that this plot was discovered without the NSA's wiretapping?
One of the ways the Nazis considered sterilising Jews and other undesirables was to use a concealed X-ray machine. This was later abandoned when they decided to go for mass murder instead.
If your local head of the KKK thinks you're crazy... I'm sure the local KKK head saw right through this and called BS as a setup and notified the FBI, and it's also intresting to note that this would have just been some cockamamy plan by some nut job that would have gone no where if it wasn't for the design assitance and parts sourcing from the FBI it's self. So it's kind of like the FBI created the threat and say pats themselves on the back and say "Yay we stopped a terrorist threat" when in all likley hood it would have gone nowhere if the guy was left to his own devices (if this guy isn't a plant in and of it's self). Anyone who is serious is going to keep his mouth shut and not go blabbing around town to your local KKK or whatever and say I have a plan to build a death ray wanna help. It's about as smart as going from person to person on any random street corner and asking for a drug hookup.
Thank goodness we have the NSA tapping into our emails to foil these sorts of dastardly plots. ... What's that? It wasn't the NSA?
Well at least it was the FBI... ... What's that? It was private citizens who turned them in?
Gee, it's almost as if it isn't worth it to trash our constitutional protections for a bit of security.
It wasn't involved this time, but PRISM is there to protect you from THESE kinds of people. These are really scary people! They're going to kill you if you don't give up your rights and let us spy on you. Next we need a camera in every room of your house- you know, just in case.... we're getting off the point- which is that these people are scary! And you should fear them. Now.
for the next 2 weeks?
That of the Lone Wolf. It's only Islamic to piss off the Russian Orthodox.
SJW: a person who perceives an injustice, and while correcting it, commits a greater injustice.
That's 133% !
The KKK is a group of folks who hate anyone different. But yes, they have always been anti-Catholic, but really they are anti-immigrant. And for a long time being anti-immigrant and being anti-catholic went hand in hand in certain social circles (racist white protestants). And it was not really that long ago in American history that Catholics from Italy and Ireland were despised by a vocal minority.
Just because the robes look similar do not mean they have the same origin. But that's a very interesting connection you've made. If the early KKK members knew about this, it was more than likely done to mock the Catholic Church and use its symbols against it. But I suspect they weren't worldly enough to have know of this, and just wanted some easy costume to hide their identity so they could terrorize people they didn't like.
s/David Koresh and the Branch Davidians/FBI and BATF/
Burning 76 men, women and children alive is not what I'd call due process. (Janet Reno, to her credit, specifically directed the FBI to not use pyrotechnics, but they ignored her orders)
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
These guys also solicited the KKK in South Carolina so calling them pro-Israel is ridiculous or perhaps the blogger has another agenda.
I think most of the attention was on Koresh because of the new religion he formed. Rather than us being a religiously tolerant society, the Branch Davidians were getting harassed and threatened. The Davidians started collecting weapons, a terrible idea, which escalated their problems to a federal level.
The message from the Clinton administration was clear. They won't tolerate new religions, and were unwilling to peacefully negotiate with followers of new religions.
I blame Clinton and Reno because they were in charge when what amounted to a military operation on American soil against its own citizens devolved into a total blood bath.
To this day I am strongly against the militarization of our police forces. The arms race that our CIVILIAN government believes they must participate in has done nothing but restrict our freedom and killed innocent people.
That's bullshit. Perhaps you're choosing to ignore the hundreds of white terrorists that were murdering women and children while out shopping with their cowardly bombs. Or how these white terrorists were forcing taxi drivers to deliver bombs to set locations or face having their family wiped out. Yes, believe it or not, the IRA were all white, and were branded terrorists too.
Reread what I wrote:
However, it has already lost its meaning because white folk are no longer being classed as terrorists.
Got them moderator blues I blieve I walk out the do', With these mod-points I been gettin', I 'most never post no mo'
>>They were charged with conspiring to provide material support for use in preparation for a weapon of mass destruction. If convicted, they each face the possibility of up to 15 years in prison.
So, uh, what *exactly* is the definition of "WOMD"? 'cause if they're being charged with this I'm sure I must not understand what it is...
Wikipedia says:
>>A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general. The scope and application of the term has evolved and been disputed, often signifying more politically than technically. Coined in reference to aerial bombing with chemical explosives, it has come to distinguish large-scale weaponry of other technologies, such as chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear. This differentiates the term from more technical ones such as chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons (CBRN).
which doesn't sound like what they were intending to build...
Paul
No, it makes him a crazy person. Otherwise, that bolt of lightning that struck close to my house and tracked in through the cable connection was a terrorist.
The very day of the 9/11 attack, I commented that our best course of action was to round up those responsible (if we could find any alive) and move on. I also predicted that instead we'd spend a few years jumping at shadows, snipe hunting, generally trashing everything good in society and trying to relate everything to 9/11.
Sadly, I was correct.
You mean the heavily armed paramilitary style LEO who was clearly identified by lettering on his back where the Davidians couldn't see it?
Whoa whoa, what have to do those guys in ALF with the rest of monsters you list here? They wouldn't hurt rabbits nor human beings.
So if we are supposed to accept the NSA recording our phone meta-data and storing email and internet traffic so they can stop terrorists, why is it they didn't stop these people? It always seems that it's regular people on the plane noticing someone trying to light their underwear or whatever. Nobody stopped the Boston bombers. But at least we have this backtrack of meta-data to look at. Who cares about the dead, we give up the freedom so we can have the full picture after the fact. That way the movies made years later can be accurate.
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Who are the terrorists NOW?
I think the whoosh is on your end. No, not all Jews are from Israel, and yet it's comforting for all Jews to know that after thousands of years, there's one country where there isn't a chance that they will be a hated minority. Unlike Muslims, Hindus, Catholics, etc that have many nations where they can feel comfortably in the majority, there's only one country on earth where that's true for Jews.
Got it?
Whoa whoa, what have to do those guys in ALF with the rest of monsters you list here? They wouldn't hurt rabbits nor human beings.
Well there have been car bombs.
Not one of them muslim.
And THAT is why it's reported as news. It's when islamic terrorism stops making headlines because it's the "new normal" is when you should worry. In fact, for much of the Middle East, it's just that. You never know when a bus full of people will blow up or a car bomb goes off. Or how about many of those countless IEDs. Nope, just another day in paradise. Pay no attention to that as it's no longer news worthy *yawn*.
Life is not for the lazy.
Pulsed millimeter-wave weapon - easier to build than most things on "Instructables" .. inverse square law killed that idea after about 350,000,000 in R&D costs. How do I know? I was on the development team back in the day. Government Contractors managed to suck a bunch of money out of DARPA however.
sure sure give the hasbara low-life a score of 4
Seriously these terrorists (lets just call them villains until we know if their intent is to strike terror into the heart of whoever they are fighting, shall we?), sorry, villians decided that they were going to build an X-ray gun and they got caught because they were soliciting money? This sounds like a horrible stereotype from a bad movie, that the jews (or honorary jews, being a friend of Israel) got caught because they were too cheap to pay for their superweapons themselves and too ... lazy? hands off? isn't there a stereotype about jewish people staying away from manual labor? to steal the parts themselves. Its like they want to be stereotyped.
I find the KKK extremely distasteful. I find race and religious hatred distasteful. I see no problem saying mean things about the President of the US as long as they aren't death threats. These were clearly scary, rude assholes building a terrifying weapon which merits extremely close ongoing scrutiny.
As far as I can tell, however, that's all these guy were. They were haters seeking funding for a prototype of a weapon that they said they wanted to sell to Israel. Being a hater is shitty but legal. Developing weapons is basically legal although there are legal restrictions that I doubt these guys obeyed. Selling weapons to a US ally is legal. Their stated intent was to build a weapon that would be useful against the enemies of Israel. Was there another stated intent that nobody has reported on yet?
If they didn't state an intent to illegally harm people with this weapon, then how are these guys guilty of terrorism. It seems to me that they are guilty of being dickheads and possibly guilty of some forms of endangerment or trafficking in weapons.
Every rule has more than one consequence.
Doing harm to someone with X-rays is moderately hard if they are a moving target.
that is not to say that it could not be done....
Now what I want to know is if this was 'catcheable' via PRISM and modern big brother stuff. If these guys were not fools one might imagine that many folks could be hurt for the price of a used car.
We have a serious social problem that causes folk to think seriously about doing stuff like this. We -- we who live on the earth.
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't. Mark Twain.
sounds JDL. at least the version i had to deal with in the 70s working in an org' which the poobahs in their org considered anti-Israel (anti zionist extremists, yes. anti israel or jewish people, anything but). the poobahs wd send kids out to attack us in the street who had no idea of how to defend themselves, much less attack anyone physically. i really felt sorry for those kids. wd like to have laid on the poobahs what i had to lay on the kids now and then.
egg on face. i just posted the preceding nonsense, THEN looked at the originating article. they def'ly weren't jewish of any stripe, just WASPy, wacky geeks trying to get $ for a toy.