Wow, amateur philosophizing at its best. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but there have a been a lot smarter people than you and have had more intelligent things to say about religion. All Gods are the same? You need to get out and experience the world a little more, or a least expand your reading quite a bit. Your shortsightedness and bigotry makes you look like and idiot. The fact that you got modded up +4 makes Slashdot readers look even more ignorant.
The goal of experiments are unbiased, objective results. When you tell someone ahead of time what they are hearing, you effectively ruin that sample. It doesn't matter if "they don't care" like you claim for your sister. (Most people will recoginze the name Microsoft, btw)
Come back to us in 5 years when you've had a research/stats class, or at least when you understand the Scientific Method. In the mean time, this "study" means jack sqwat.
You know, I like the main thrust of your post ("we are 0wn3d when it comes to our food"), but I can't help but take issue with the broad brush with which you paint/.ers. It's not necessarily (or very likely) the same people ranting about MS who also post about the glories of the SuperMarket. Plus, I would think most people reading/. are computer geek-minded as opposed to agriculturaly-minded...any discrepancies you might catch would probably be due to ignorance rather than hypocrisy.
In any case, these last few posts have got me thinking and hopefully I'll start buying food from places other than the huge supermarket...
...those fields are in open view for anyone to see. Your emails and online activities are a private activity done from your house or business and should not be intruded upon without warrants and due process and all that.
Oh, and not all "Slashdotters" have the same opinion, so your "hypocrisy" claim is totally baseless.
Maybe not every small/medium business can afford Oracle, etc.? Ever stop to consider that possibility from your oh-so-high-and-mighty position? That seems like a pretty reasonable market to go after: Companies that can't justify the expense of Oracle but need something more than a RDBMS hack.
it's depressing how many of these "intelligent, open-minded geeks" show themselves to be nothing more than brainwashed bigots when it comes to discussing religion. People have been intelligently debating God and science issues for ages, and it's not about to stop because some/.er has it all figured out and dismissed it.
heh, while you do a great job generalizing, I think it's a bit too reductionistic. And it's awfully cynical: Maybe you should take a break from/. for a while and gain new perspective;)
(and I've seen quite a lot of "pro-windows" posts being modded up in the past 6months-1 year, so things may be changing as/. gets more and more popular.)
Uh, when I re-read the article, the only thing Timothy said was:
The article paints Korean society with a fairly broad brush, but the numbers are still astonishing -- imagine if 5% of all Americans all played the same online game, for instance.
That's not even close to claiming "no geek should be punished." In fact, the person who submitted the story only said that the RPG shouldn't be blamed: they never said anything about punishing the people involved in the "urinal" altercation.
Did you even bother to "read" the writeup, or were you just looking for something to flame Slashdot about?
humour (note the correct spelling, you illiterate troll)
Ooooh, a British AC troll...you still need somework, though. Consider taking a few lessons from Zico or Lover's Arrival, The...they really know how to push the right buttons. There's nothing worse than a troll post that doesn't get you pissed off.
that was humor, moron...heh, first time I've been called a troll, though...kinda hoping my first time would be from someone a little higher profile than an AC. Oh well.
Oh, and according to my watch, it's 11:37AM on Friday June 1 2001. Heh, sorry if you are stuck in one of those future time zone, but that ain't my fault...troll:P
I seem to remember the RIAA threatening a group of researchers at Princeton when they tried to present a paper on audio watermarking and SDMI. If that's not censorship, then I'm not sure what is.
Counter Point 1: I'll have your links by 3:00pm Friday.
Counter Point 2: Where did I say he was "karma whoring"? I said making a comment like that was being pseudo-insightful: people have said it many times before (see Couter Point 1) and it's not even very accurate. Karma need not be involved;)
And I'm still waiting for you to show me one example of someone being homeless and starving to death because of a DoS. Don't you have one?? Here, I'll help you get started in your research of real terrorism
I'm not saying that losing your job is not a bad thing, but it's nothing compared to being blown to bits and losing a loved one.
A 13 year old on the internet DoSing some wannabe security expert does not constitute "terrorism." Blowing up his house does. The only thing disgusting here is your belief that they are somehow the same thing.
Ummm, no I don't think that's terror. You are confusing the word "terrorist" with "terror." Gibson used the word "terrorist" to evoke an emotion of irrational fear. Your example of "terror" is nothing more than the result of poor business planning.
If your "life" depends on your internet run business, you'd better have the technological know-how to deal with any and all potential problems that come up, including script-kiddies.
Oh, and your example is rather heavy on the side of exaggeration. Please explain how a person with a bankrupt company is unable to get a temp job somewhere in order to pay for food. Please, I challenge you to show me ONE case where a DoS put someone out of business and caused them to starve to death. I'll take just ONE. In the mean time, I'll be sending you a list of all the people hurt, injured or killed because of the actions of a real terrorist.
You are completely missing the point. No intervention would be necessary if the users themselves would wake the hell up and manage their computers properly.
True, and I agree totally. For some reason when I hear "threat to the interent economy" the first thing that comes to mind is someone lobbying for tighter goverenment control. I'm sure Steve was thinking more along the lines of hyping the problem;)
The thing about TV commercials is that their success isn't measured by how many people run out and buy the product being advertised. It's a "mindshare" kind of thing. This whole click-through idea needs to be rethought...
Just curious - if you had taken the time to look back and realize that your comment has been made a million times on Slashdot already, would you have still said it anyway?
People are a funny thing: they tend to defend the things that are important to them, whether that be their favorite hockey team, presidential candidate, or software philosophy. Nobody is 100% unbiased and objective. I'm sure if you were to stop and think about it, you'd realize you do the same thing with your likes and dislikes everyday. Complaining about this and/or trying to identify it in an attempt to be "insightful" is rather pointless.
(Katz)Beyond that, fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United StatesThe appeal of fast food -- that people would know just what to expect no matter where they bought their Whoppers or Taco Bell burritos -- was also one of its most devastating consequences.
(NearlyHeadless)This is a devastating consequence? The fact that you can get McDonald's everywhere? Shudder! The blood's running in the street. What exactly does this have to do with "corporatism," anyway? I can get Chinese food everywhere, despite the notable absence of any national Chinese food chains.
You know, I can see your frustation with Katz on this point, but maybe that's because he didn't expound on his point very well at all. Have you ever been to a McDs in a country other than your own? Other than a few minor differences (e.g. French McDs serve alcohol, US ones don't.), the food tastes exactly the same. I was amazed (shocked?) when I went to one in Honduras and the BigMac I had was nearly identical to one in the US. Some people may see that as a "feature" ("Awesome, I can get the same food in central america as I do in the US!!!"), but I think it can also be easily seen as a "bug". What happens when fast food chains all but replace the local flavor restaurants? Everyone feels warm and secure in their local McDonlads, while experiencing the Universal Taste(tm)...
Yeah, kinda like we (in the US) "forced" people to stop having slaves. That must have sucked...people ought to have the freedom to make others their slaves.
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Wow, amateur philosophizing at its best. Hate to be the one to tell you this, but there have a been a lot smarter people than you and have had more intelligent things to say about religion. All Gods are the same? You need to get out and experience the world a little more, or a least expand your reading quite a bit. Your shortsightedness and bigotry makes you look like and idiot. The fact that you got modded up +4 makes Slashdot readers look even more ignorant.
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The goal of experiments are unbiased, objective results. When you tell someone ahead of time what they are hearing, you effectively ruin that sample. It doesn't matter if "they don't care" like you claim for your sister. (Most people will recoginze the name Microsoft, btw)
Come back to us in 5 years when you've had a research/stats class, or at least when you understand the Scientific Method. In the mean time, this "study" means jack sqwat.
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cynical crap like this is why the world is in such a sucky state.
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Linux users wouldn't understand an economic theory if it hit them upside the head and dropped hot grits down their pants, or skirts.
But some no-name AC would?...please, you're embarassing yourself.
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Amen.
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You know, I like the main thrust of your post ("we are 0wn3d when it comes to our food"), but I can't help but take issue with the broad brush with which you paint /.ers. It's not necessarily (or very likely) the same people ranting about MS who also post about the glories of the SuperMarket. Plus, I would think most people reading /. are computer geek-minded as opposed to agriculturaly-minded...any discrepancies you might catch would probably be due to ignorance rather than hypocrisy.
In any case, these last few posts have got me thinking and hopefully I'll start buying food from places other than the huge supermarket...
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...those fields are in open view for anyone to see. Your emails and online activities are a private activity done from your house or business and should not be intruded upon without warrants and due process and all that.
Oh, and not all "Slashdotters" have the same opinion, so your "hypocrisy" claim is totally baseless.
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Maybe not every small/medium business can afford Oracle, etc.? Ever stop to consider that possibility from your oh-so-high-and-mighty position? That seems like a pretty reasonable market to go after: Companies that can't justify the expense of Oracle but need something more than a RDBMS hack.
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heh.
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it's depressing how many of these "intelligent, open-minded geeks" show themselves to be nothing more than brainwashed bigots when it comes to discussing religion. People have been intelligently debating God and science issues for ages, and it's not about to stop because some /.er has it all figured out and dismissed it.
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Ignorance is bliss and Mensa is expensive.
Hm, how does that saying go?...."If ignorance is bliss, how come there aren't more happy people in the world?"
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i'd say i miss the days when intelligent discussion occurred on here
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Well then, glad to see you are doing your part to bring back those glory days
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heh, while you do a great job generalizing, I think it's a bit too reductionistic. And it's awfully cynical: Maybe you should take a break from /. for a while and gain new perspective ;)
/. gets more and more popular.)
(and I've seen quite a lot of "pro-windows" posts being modded up in the past 6months-1 year, so things may be changing as
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Uh, when I re-read the article, the only thing Timothy said was:
The article paints Korean society with a fairly broad brush, but the numbers are still astonishing -- imagine if 5% of all Americans all played the same online game, for instance.
That's not even close to claiming "no geek should be punished." In fact, the person who submitted the story only said that the RPG shouldn't be blamed: they never said anything about punishing the people involved in the "urinal" altercation.
Did you even bother to "read" the writeup, or were you just looking for something to flame Slashdot about?
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humour (note the correct spelling, you illiterate troll)
Ooooh, a British AC troll...you still need somework, though. Consider taking a few lessons from Zico or Lover's Arrival, The...they really know how to push the right buttons. There's nothing worse than a troll post that doesn't get you pissed off.
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that was humor, moron...heh, first time I've been called a troll, though...kinda hoping my first time would be from someone a little higher profile than an AC. Oh well.
:P
Oh, and according to my watch, it's 11:37AM on Friday June 1 2001. Heh, sorry if you are stuck in one of those future time zone, but that ain't my fault...troll
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I seem to remember the RIAA threatening a group of researchers at Princeton when they tried to present a paper on audio watermarking and SDMI. If that's not censorship, then I'm not sure what is.
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Counter Point 1: I'll have your links by 3:00pm Friday.
;)
Counter Point 2: Where did I say he was "karma whoring"? I said making a comment like that was being pseudo-insightful: people have said it many times before (see Couter Point 1) and it's not even very accurate. Karma need not be involved
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And I'm still waiting for you to show me one example of someone being homeless and starving to death because of a DoS. Don't you have one?? Here, I'll help you get started in your research of real terrorism
I'm not saying that losing your job is not a bad thing, but it's nothing compared to being blown to bits and losing a loved one.
A 13 year old on the internet DoSing some wannabe security expert does not constitute "terrorism." Blowing up his house does. The only thing disgusting here is your belief that they are somehow the same thing.
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You don't think that's terror?
Ummm, no I don't think that's terror. You are confusing the word "terrorist" with "terror." Gibson used the word "terrorist" to evoke an emotion of irrational fear. Your example of "terror" is nothing more than the result of poor business planning.
If your "life" depends on your internet run business, you'd better have the technological know-how to deal with any and all potential problems that come up, including script-kiddies.
Oh, and your example is rather heavy on the side of exaggeration. Please explain how a person with a bankrupt company is unable to get a temp job somewhere in order to pay for food. Please, I challenge you to show me ONE case where a DoS put someone out of business and caused them to starve to death. I'll take just ONE. In the mean time, I'll be sending you a list of all the people hurt, injured or killed because of the actions of a real terrorist.
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You are completely missing the point. No intervention would be necessary if the users themselves would wake the hell up and manage their computers properly.
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True, and I agree totally. For some reason when I hear "threat to the interent economy" the first thing that comes to mind is someone lobbying for tighter goverenment control. I'm sure Steve was thinking more along the lines of hyping the problem
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The thing about TV commercials is that their success isn't measured by how many people run out and buy the product being advertised. It's a "mindshare" kind of thing. This whole click-through idea needs to be rethought...
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Just curious - if you had taken the time to look back and realize that your comment has been made a million times on Slashdot already, would you have still said it anyway?
People are a funny thing: they tend to defend the things that are important to them, whether that be their favorite hockey team, presidential candidate, or software philosophy. Nobody is 100% unbiased and objective. I'm sure if you were to stop and think about it, you'd realize you do the same thing with your likes and dislikes everyday. Complaining about this and/or trying to identify it in an attempt to be "insightful" is rather pointless.
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(Katz)Beyond that, fast food franchises obliterated a sense of geographical and cultural differences among different regions of the United StatesThe appeal of fast food -- that people would know just what to expect no matter where they bought their Whoppers or Taco Bell burritos -- was also one of its most devastating consequences.
(NearlyHeadless)This is a devastating consequence? The fact that you can get McDonald's everywhere? Shudder! The blood's running in the street. What exactly does this have to do with "corporatism," anyway? I can get Chinese food everywhere, despite the notable absence of any national Chinese food chains.
You know, I can see your frustation with Katz on this point, but maybe that's because he didn't expound on his point very well at all. Have you ever been to a McDs in a country other than your own? Other than a few minor differences (e.g. French McDs serve alcohol, US ones don't.), the food tastes exactly the same. I was amazed (shocked?) when I went to one in Honduras and the BigMac I had was nearly identical to one in the US. Some people may see that as a "feature" ("Awesome, I can get the same food in central america as I do in the US!!!"), but I think it can also be easily seen as a "bug". What happens when fast food chains all but replace the local flavor restaurants? Everyone feels warm and secure in their local McDonlads, while experiencing the Universal Taste(tm)...
gak......
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Yeah, kinda like we (in the US) "forced" people to stop having slaves. That must have sucked...people ought to have the freedom to make others their slaves.
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