Was talking with the g-friend last night, and the idea that Facebook is just a fad, and maybe a bit like LSD. She mentioned a quote about how friending someone is just inviting them to partake in our self-aggrandizing hall of mirrors (or something like that). People seem so concentrated on themselves, Facebook is SO big, how can it not be altering people's behavior? Is that behavior really for the better? Personally, I think it will fade. However, never underestimate people's preponderance with themselves... maybe it'll just be another opiate for the masses?
So, a bit off topic, but hope it contributes to the larger discussion.
David Byrne had something like this happen a couple years back. Of course he won (if it's not in the journal). Again, if it's not in there, something to point out: This happens ALL THE TIME, but many artists don't have the money or cajones to fight it.
It makes an interesting point: we go on about copyright, yet here's a song 30 years old and still incredibly recognizable. It is an enduring work. Should it get protection or shouldn't it? How do we determine what has been marked indelibly into the lexicon of American Culture, should we compensate people for that?
You hit a very interesting point, but an unexpected one. You mentioned King Rahm and his "fucking retarded" comment.
I've met a few people that were in high places in D.C.: a couple politicos, a couple economic guys. EVERY SINGLE ONE was an asshat of the most incredible order imaginable. Now, it was little ol' me they were talking to, so they're weren't on their best behavior. Ask them a question about something, ask them to clarify or to expand on what they'd just said, and they act as if you've stabbed them in the eye with a pencil. Total childishness. They see themselves as geniuses, as so far above everyone else that NO OTHER IDEAS could possibly be correct, or even in the same reality as correctness. They act (Godwin) like Arians, the superior race, and all must bow before their Clearly Superior Intellect.
It's terrifying to behold, and I suspect there are many more of them in Washington. It would explain a LOT about why our country is so fucked up right now.
Come on... I've been saying this since SOPA came up...
"Look at this hand, pay no attention to the other"
Did you really think that this was about SOPA? No. I guarantee this was about things like this copyright nonsense and anything else the Supreme Executolegislative clusterfuck in D.C. can ram through while we're all focused on an insane law that has everyone up in arms, but which the politicos already know won't get passed. But they want the conflict, the headlines, so they can quietly slip in their real agenda under the radar. Bush did it over, and over, and over, and over again. This is no different. They're using the system, the media, your own sense of right and wrong against you (attacking SOPA in this case, to distract).
You cannot win unless the system changes. It is rigged, and until it gets bad enough that something drastic changes, there is a long ride down a very dark and greasy slip n' slide to hell.
"Thought" is the operative word there, buster. Also, if you're not a U.S. citizen (and it sounds like you might be), he's a United States Citizen. It's a right, written in the Constitution, to object to the representatives and act to remove them if he/she so chooses, regardless of district.
So, I think this person is merely encouraging people to do what many people see is the right course of action. After all it's the internet PLUS the united states. That's 2x the Freedom Cleaning Power of popular Political Systems!:)
It's the difference between personalized homepage and the google homepage. Classic vs iGoogle makes no difference, it's whether you're signed in or not.
This is slashdot! Aren't we supposed to be more predisposed to figuring these things out on our own before starting an argument and spreading false information?
Actually, teenagers have only had social issues for the last 50-75 years. before that, when they were treated like adults and with respect, sometime around the age of 12 or 13, they could be productive members of society. The idea of teen angst only shows up in very modern literature and is nowhere to be found in the rest of history.
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So why don't We The People start labelling our "representatives" in government as either "Corporatists" or alternative stances? If enough people could start labelling groups of politicians I suspect it could redraw party lines and ditch what we call Democrat/Republican. Let's label them appropriately and make it stick.
If this hasn't been mentioned already, I think this could help improve doctors too. I go to the doctor and he sees me for a few moments, we talk, he leaves. If I saw what he wrote I suspect he might spend a little more time talking to me and discussing overall health.
OTOH it could certainly have people who don't know any better harassing doctors over trivial issues.
While I agree with much of what you say, and think it contributes to the discussion...
I don't think waiting is enough. Too many of my generation, with a lot of help from the internet, seem quite convinced the world revolves around them. Aso, I posit there are still too many of my generation who are moving into politics and positions of power (I know at least a dozen people who are or are trying to become lawyers...) who feel that they are infinitely better than most of their peers, and the internet just seems to prove it to them. Sure, the internet's knowledge is useful, but it's a self-tailored sense of knowledge and the world. If anything I worry that people in the future will be even worse than now, hamstrung by their private vision of themselves and the world.
In terms of politicians being different in 20-30 years, I've seen the worldview and personality of a few friends change, and am horrified that the people I used to be so close to seem to have become twisted, half-crazed shyster lunatics who ACTUALLY believe their own bullshit. Three people, one a politician, one a lawyer moving into politics, and one a lobbyist. I think it's the system, personally. Maybe it's the stakes being so high... I don't know. Waiting another 20-30 years for change seems like a mistake, I don't think basic human fallacies such as biases, blind faith, and selective reasoning are going to change that quickly. However, here's to hoping!
People thirst for power and/or money, I get that, but it's time for the old farts to get the hell out of the way. The world is changing too fast for them, their attempt to distort reality in their favor is destroying Our Republic.
Thank you! Yes! If there were a "moderate to top of of page" option I would give all my mod points to make sure what you're saying was the first thing all users see upon viewing this topic.
Please don't let up, people. The politicians certainly won't.
They introduce TERRIFYING legislation, and then at the last moment (like the government shutdown)say,"Oh, but you should be thankful we give in just a little bit" IT'S INSANE! They're abusive. They get people worked up and thent o calm them they give in just a little bit.
No one in their right mind should fall for this bullshit line. Stop SOPA!
Seems like a conflict of interest to me: "Oh, passwords are here to stay!" seems to be FUD designed to discourage people from innovating so that MIcrosoft can find the patent first (because it'll eventually supplant their password system and the IP birds will come home to roost).
Pooky.... is that you!? I had a friend in high school who would have done just that same thing...
Also why didn't you tell your boss and the higher-ups that you were going to your own wedding? Communicating the importance and reason for the time off is as important as the date of your time off. What kind of work environment is it where it's not alright to tell one's boss about one's own wedding?
I hate to lose any mod points here, but no matter what your job is you ought to stand up for yourself (given the evidence you've provided, anyway) You're an actual person, with a real life to live, and for the rest of your life do you really think you'll remember fondly that work day, or wonder what it would have been like to be at your own wedding reception?
Next time they know they can just grind you down and you'll puss out. And yes, I have had similar things happen to me, and I have told them, in nice terms, to go and fuck themselves. If you're so good that they want you there that much, you should have no problem getting another job where they don't want to abuse you.
Or maybe this is just a troll post... I'm having a hard time believing someone would fold that easily over their wedding.
Beside all that, if I ever got married and did that, my wife would RIP MY FACE OFF and blame me for the rest of our lives that she missed her wedding reception. I think any of you who have ever been in a relationship can back me up here, and to quote Ghostbusters: That would be extremely bad.
Right, but I'm not sure enough people understand: Tax benefit or no, the money still goes away. It's NOT about tax write-offs (I am a financial advisor and getting my CFP). It's more about Return On Investment.
Contributing money to charity doesn't get you any monetary benefit. You still don't get to keep that money.
With our marginal tax rate system, tax deductions don't magically change how much all one's money is taxed, it only moves that money out of a tax rate "bucket" so it isn't taxed at a certain rate.But the money is still gone, and if it is better spent elsewhere then it should be spent elsewhere. Point if it's to verbose: Donations don't save money, so only donate if it gets you something (like good will, good feeling, or in this case a 22000% rate of return, http://videosift.com/video/TYT-22-000-rate-of-return-on-lobbying-investment?loadcomm=1) I don't have the link to the study, sorry.
They make it work in other countries. Once out of office, a political figure can't get a job with any company they had dealings with while in office for something like 5-10 years. U.K. perhaps? Germany?
I don't think SOPA itself is the entire point of all this. I understand the internet is a real issue, but the introduction of such a bill is so incredibly ludicrous... it feels like this is just eating up time before the election so nothing useful can actually get done. Look, businesses are quite unhappy about the lack of tax and health care direction. You'd think that might take a little more precedent?
I KNOW we are all whipped into a frenzy over SOPA, but it's just so crazy it hardly seems real.
I'm about to go and take my tax pretest for the CFP, so I'm wigging out (really) and this caught my eye. There IS an inheritance tax, and with an improperly built estate plan you lose about half of anything above 5 million to uncle sam. Problem is, companies and lawyers have invented all sorts of interesting mechanisms to help people (they make a job, they make money, make something people want) mitigate those taxes (life insurance, irrevocable gifts of estates/annuities/insurance to charity).
The IRS has some good stuff in place, but ultimately I think it's a combination of issues across the board.
I posit that soulskill is NOT like millions of Americans. I, for one, didn't even know there was a mission impossible movie. Why would anyone support an actor who is a such a massive asshat, anyway?
Off Topic: As someone who has an employment interest in corporate tax structure, I find lacking in these conversations that a) human greed is natural (it's ok to want stuff for yourself), BUT coupled with b) a U.S. tax structure that intentionally fosters most of the problems seen today with corporations.
Since when is Obama considered left-leaning? Hell, I'd be more apt to say that Marisa Mayer just doesn't know any political history (or didn't pay any attention to the Obama's voting record) about what liberal really is and is as easily caught up in emotional fervor/political grandstanding as the rest of us.
Personally? I'm more apt to say Silicon Valley/engineers (or anyone) can't really be put in such an easy little box and that this headline is a bunch of false dichotomy hooey.
The engineers I know are pot-smoking parents who've rebuilt planes and plane engines in their spare time and design incredibly cool, useful things for society, but who turn around and shame the hell out of anyone who "doesn't really want to work". They're super liberal when it comes to themselves, but ultra-conservative when it comes to other people. It's sort of hilarious, and scary.
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But they don't.
They keep switching from Dem to Repub to Dem to Repub.
look at the voting record. People have been pissed for decades, and very little seems to get done...
Was talking with the g-friend last night, and the idea that Facebook is just a fad, and maybe a bit like LSD.
She mentioned a quote about how friending someone is just inviting them to partake in our self-aggrandizing hall of mirrors (or something like that). People seem so concentrated on themselves, Facebook is SO big, how can it not be altering people's behavior? Is that behavior really for the better?
Personally, I think it will fade. However, never underestimate people's preponderance with themselves... maybe it'll just be another opiate for the masses?
So, a bit off topic, but hope it contributes to the larger discussion.
David Byrne had something like this happen a couple years back. Of course he won (if it's not in the journal). Again, if it's not in there, something to point out: This happens ALL THE TIME, but many artists don't have the money or cajones to fight it.
http://journal.davidbyrne.com/2010/05/052510-yours-truly-vs-the-governor-of-florida.html
It makes an interesting point: we go on about copyright, yet here's a song 30 years old and still incredibly recognizable. It is an enduring work. Should it get protection or shouldn't it? How do we determine what has been marked indelibly into the lexicon of American Culture, should we compensate people for that?
You hit a very interesting point, but an unexpected one. You mentioned King Rahm and his "fucking retarded" comment.
I've met a few people that were in high places in D.C.: a couple politicos, a couple economic guys. EVERY SINGLE ONE was an asshat of the most incredible order imaginable. Now, it was little ol' me they were talking to, so they're weren't on their best behavior. Ask them a question about something, ask them to clarify or to expand on what they'd just said, and they act as if you've stabbed them in the eye with a pencil. Total childishness. They see themselves as geniuses, as so far above everyone else that NO OTHER IDEAS could possibly be correct, or even in the same reality as correctness. They act (Godwin) like Arians, the superior race, and all must bow before their Clearly Superior Intellect.
It's terrifying to behold, and I suspect there are many more of them in Washington. It would explain a LOT about why our country is so fucked up right now.
The last article is from 2010, September. I'd be interested to see what they are saying now.
Come on... I've been saying this since SOPA came up...
"Look at this hand, pay no attention to the other"
Did you really think that this was about SOPA? No. I guarantee this was about things like this copyright nonsense and anything else the Supreme Executolegislative clusterfuck in D.C. can ram through while we're all focused on an insane law that has everyone up in arms, but which the politicos already know won't get passed. But they want the conflict, the headlines, so they can quietly slip in their real agenda under the radar. Bush did it over, and over, and over, and over again. This is no different. They're using the system, the media, your own sense of right and wrong against you (attacking SOPA in this case, to distract).
You cannot win unless the system changes. It is rigged, and until it gets bad enough that something drastic changes, there is a long ride down a very dark and greasy slip n' slide to hell.
"Thought" is the operative word there, buster. Also, if you're not a U.S. citizen (and it sounds like you might be), he's a United States Citizen. It's a right, written in the Constitution, to object to the representatives and act to remove them if he/she so chooses, regardless of district.
So, I think this person is merely encouraging people to do what many people see is the right course of action. After all it's the internet PLUS the united states. That's 2x the Freedom Cleaning Power of popular Political Systems! :)
It's the difference between personalized homepage and the google homepage. Classic vs iGoogle makes no difference, it's whether you're signed in or not.
This is slashdot! Aren't we supposed to be more predisposed to figuring these things out on our own before starting an argument and spreading false information?
Actually, teenagers have only had social issues for the last 50-75 years. before that, when they were treated like adults and with respect, sometime around the age of 12 or 13, they could be productive members of society. The idea of teen angst only shows up in very modern literature and is nowhere to be found in the rest of history.
So why don't We The People start labelling our "representatives" in government as either "Corporatists" or alternative stances? If enough people could start labelling groups of politicians I suspect it could redraw party lines and ditch what we call Democrat/Republican. Let's label them appropriately and make it stick.
If this hasn't been mentioned already, I think this could help improve doctors too. I go to the doctor and he sees me for a few moments, we talk, he leaves. If I saw what he wrote I suspect he might spend a little more time talking to me and discussing overall health.
OTOH it could certainly have people who don't know any better harassing doctors over trivial issues.
While I agree with much of what you say, and think it contributes to the discussion...
I don't think waiting is enough. Too many of my generation, with a lot of help from the internet, seem quite convinced the world revolves around them. Aso, I posit there are still too many of my generation who are moving into politics and positions of power (I know at least a dozen people who are or are trying to become lawyers...) who feel that they are infinitely better than most of their peers, and the internet just seems to prove it to them.
Sure, the internet's knowledge is useful, but it's a self-tailored sense of knowledge and the world. If anything I worry that people in the future will be even worse than now, hamstrung by their private vision of themselves and the world.
In terms of politicians being different in 20-30 years, I've seen the worldview and personality of a few friends change, and am horrified that the people I used to be so close to seem to have become twisted, half-crazed shyster lunatics who ACTUALLY believe their own bullshit. Three people, one a politician, one a lawyer moving into politics, and one a lobbyist.
I think it's the system, personally. Maybe it's the stakes being so high... I don't know. Waiting another 20-30 years for change seems like a mistake, I don't think basic human fallacies such as biases, blind faith, and selective reasoning are going to change that quickly. However, here's to hoping!
People thirst for power and/or money, I get that, but it's time for the old farts to get the hell out of the way. The world is changing too fast for them, their attempt to distort reality in their favor is destroying Our Republic.
Thank you! Yes!
If there were a "moderate to top of of page" option I would give all my mod points to make sure what you're saying was the first thing all users see upon viewing this topic.
Please don't let up, people. The politicians certainly won't.
THIS is how the political bullshit happens!
They introduce TERRIFYING legislation, and then at the last moment (like the government shutdown)say,"Oh, but you should be thankful we give in just a little bit" IT'S INSANE! They're abusive. They get people worked up and thent o calm them they give in just a little bit.
No one in their right mind should fall for this bullshit line. Stop SOPA!
Seems like a conflict of interest to me: "Oh, passwords are here to stay!" seems to be FUD designed to discourage people from innovating so that MIcrosoft can find the patent first (because it'll eventually supplant their password system and the IP birds will come home to roost).
Pooky.... is that you!? I had a friend in high school who would have done just that same thing...
Also why didn't you tell your boss and the higher-ups that you were going to your own wedding? Communicating the importance and reason for the time off is as important as the date of your time off. What kind of work environment is it where it's not alright to tell one's boss about one's own wedding?
I hate to lose any mod points here, but no matter what your job is you ought to stand up for yourself (given the evidence you've provided, anyway) You're an actual person, with a real life to live, and for the rest of your life do you really think you'll remember fondly that work day, or wonder what it would have been like to be at your own wedding reception?
Next time they know they can just grind you down and you'll puss out. And yes, I have had similar things happen to me, and I have told them, in nice terms, to go and fuck themselves. If you're so good that they want you there that much, you should have no problem getting another job where they don't want to abuse you.
Or maybe this is just a troll post... I'm having a hard time believing someone would fold that easily over their wedding.
Beside all that, if I ever got married and did that, my wife would RIP MY FACE OFF and blame me for the rest of our lives that she missed her wedding reception. I think any of you who have ever been in a relationship can back me up here, and to quote Ghostbusters: That would be extremely bad.
It appears you have a check, sir, though I'm not entirely sure any mating will ever be involved.
Right, but I'm not sure enough people understand: Tax benefit or no, the money still goes away. It's NOT about tax write-offs (I am a financial advisor and getting my CFP). It's more about Return On Investment.
Contributing money to charity doesn't get you any monetary benefit. You still don't get to keep that money.
With our marginal tax rate system, tax deductions don't magically change how much all one's money is taxed, it only moves that money out of a tax rate "bucket" so it isn't taxed at a certain rate.But the money is still gone, and if it is better spent elsewhere then it should be spent elsewhere.
Point if it's to verbose: Donations don't save money, so only donate if it gets you something (like good will, good feeling, or in this case a 22000% rate of return, http://videosift.com/video/TYT-22-000-rate-of-return-on-lobbying-investment?loadcomm=1)
I don't have the link to the study, sorry.
They make it work in other countries. Once out of office, a political figure can't get a job with any company they had dealings with while in office for something like 5-10 years. U.K. perhaps? Germany?
I don't think SOPA itself is the entire point of all this. I understand the internet is a real issue, but the introduction of such a bill is so incredibly ludicrous... it feels like this is just eating up time before the election so nothing useful can actually get done.
Look, businesses are quite unhappy about the lack of tax and health care direction. You'd think that might take a little more precedent?
I KNOW we are all whipped into a frenzy over SOPA, but it's just so crazy it hardly seems real.
THIS.
I'm about to go and take my tax pretest for the CFP, so I'm wigging out (really) and this caught my eye.
There IS an inheritance tax, and with an improperly built estate plan you lose about half of anything above 5 million to uncle sam.
Problem is, companies and lawyers have invented all sorts of interesting mechanisms to help people (they make a job, they make money, make something people want) mitigate those taxes (life insurance, irrevocable gifts of estates/annuities/insurance to charity).
The IRS has some good stuff in place, but ultimately I think it's a combination of issues across the board.
I posit that soulskill is NOT like millions of Americans.
I, for one, didn't even know there was a mission impossible movie.
Why would anyone support an actor who is a such a massive asshat, anyway?
Off Topic:
As someone who has an employment interest in corporate tax structure, I find lacking in these conversations that a) human greed is natural (it's ok to want stuff for yourself), BUT coupled with b) a U.S. tax structure that intentionally fosters most of the problems seen today with corporations.
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Since when is Obama considered left-leaning?
Hell, I'd be more apt to say that Marisa Mayer just doesn't know any political history (or didn't pay any attention to the Obama's voting record) about what liberal really is and is as easily caught up in emotional fervor/political grandstanding as the rest of us.
Personally? I'm more apt to say Silicon Valley/engineers (or anyone) can't really be put in such an easy little box and that this headline is a bunch of false dichotomy hooey.
The engineers I know are pot-smoking parents who've rebuilt planes and plane engines in their spare time and design incredibly cool, useful things for society, but who turn around and shame the hell out of anyone who "doesn't really want to work". They're super liberal when it comes to themselves, but ultra-conservative when it comes to other people. It's sort of hilarious, and scary.
What's hilarious is that a few years ago we were all calling XP the slowest, most bloated piece of shovelware MS had made so far...
ah how times change....