Sounds like a dumb bet to me. Do you really think that in however many millions of years it takes for the sun to endanger planet earth, we won't have spread beyond the reach of this small sun? In only a few short thousands of years, we've spread out beyond the reach of local threats to humanity's existence in our cradle, and I'd imagine that long, long before the sun supernovas, we'll have come up with multiple elegant solutions to any existential threat from the sun.
as for the infiniteness of it, well, it's not mathematically infinite, but I assume that's not what he means and it wouldn't matter anyway, as humanity and the sun and the universe etc. are presumably not truly infinite. But in a realistic sense, yeah, that's basically what the environment is: an infinitely exploitable resource. The only limitation I see is what creative uses humanity can come up with for it.
It sounds to me that you have the belief that the world will continue to produce oil for as long as we want.
Um, it should be pretty clear to you based on a few thousand years of human history that we will find a way. Doesn't have to be more oil, but we'll continue to come up with other and better energy sources. Seriously, go ask Malthus, Ehrlich and co. about various other shortages. Humanity always wins.
In other words, there's no need to worry about artificially capping demand, or wondering whether we'll cap the demand in other ways, etc., etc., market forces and human ingenuity will lead to better supplies (and perhaps also alter demand, but that's immaterial).
As for artificially reducing oil demand, considering the econimic productivity that's derived from oil use, it's obvious that it would indeed cause great harm to the economy (and the world's economies). So, for the children, please don't try to savage the economies that produce the food that feeds the kids, just to fix some made up deal about climate change. Anyway, global warming would be nice, I could stand to see a few more bikinis in Canada in the winter, and increasing the livable and productive land area would no doubt be beneficial for millions of people.
And, that climate change is a good thing. The earth used to be 10 deg. C warmer than it is now, and life flourished on a much greater percentage of the land. I'd love it if millions of people didn't have to starve because of the current cool earth's limited livable area, and I also wouldn't object to some nicer weather way up here in Canada.
I don't know of any extreme of weather where man battles and wins.
Then you completely fail to understand the basic nature of humanity. We've conquered pretty much every "unlivable" environment, and will continue to do so, making the environment more productive for our needs. Unlike you morons, I'd rather that humanity continue to manipulate the environment to serve its needs, as it's done for thousands of years, than that we force random suffering on ourselves (or I should say on others among us, since it's usually two different groups -- those who make dumb laws, and those who suffer) because of fear of the environment, like some dumb chimp. No, that's not right, even chimps make better use of the environment than idiot environmentalists do.
We've seen people bet against humanity any number of times -- Thomas Malthus, Paul Ehrlich, global cooling, global warming, coal shortage, oil shortage, water shortage, blah blah blah. Each and every time, humanity wins, and will continue to win, for the simple reason that humans are smarter than nature. It's really not a hard concept, and anyone who bets against humanity is a moron.
Yeah, cutting down economies, reducing the amount of money people have to spend on using the environment for feeding, clothing, entertaining themselves, etc., that's a minor cost compared to feeling good about ourselves for making some arbitrary change to the chemical composition of the earth's environment!
Wow, you got pretty much the whole platform into your comment.
By the way, that's something worth thinking about. If you want your guys to win elections and stuff, maybe you should work on a platform that's not just an angry rant about how everything that a conservative ever does is evil.
Anyway, as for the subject matter of this exchange, I don't see why you're so critical of my line "when it's pretty clear what he intended." I mean, do you not hate Bush, and blindly stand up for whatever idiotic thing all the other like-minded folk are saying? You're fantasizing about food shortages and oil crises, when America is flourishing and there's no reason whatsoever to suggest imminent societal collapse (unless, if the neo-cons are up to something...).
And no, homeland security is not about bird flu, it's about killing or arresting the losers who want to blow America up.
I don't have an ignorant "with us or against us" mentality, I'm just poking fun at the fucked up obsession prevalent among a subset of the world's idiots that Rabbi Bush and his cabal of sinister Zionist neo-cons are leading America down a path of ruin. Do you have any objection to that?
You're trying to be clever by pointing out that no one uses 30-year old versions of Unix, but that doesn't matter at all since we know that many people do use Win2000. And for what it's worth, many people also continue to use Linux and Unix from the same period as w2k.
Bravo, good show mate. Speaking of simple minds, I don't see why your "reality-based community" needs to find verbatim words for me to refer to what he's saying, when it's pretty clear what he intended. Uh oh, you never used the exact phrase reality-based community in your post, so I guess I must just be a Repuglitarian or whatever other dumb word you just made up.
Heh.. someone else posted the same quote further up in the thread but screwed up the formatting, so I assumed he had made up the quote as a joke (a funny one). A guy actually said it? That's pretty hilarious.
What makes it even worse is that these same people, for the most part, are also constitutionally unwilling to do the least bit of anything you call "work," when it would pay off far more handsomely, and in the majority of cases be more richly rewarding, too. Consistently doing at least a little bit of hard work is so easy, pecuniarily rewarding, and enjoyable in many circumstances, that it's practically a get-rich-quick scheme... only it actually works.
Seriously, the amount of whining about "the wealthy" and having to go to work, and about evil businessmen and corporations, is in itself already more effort than it takes to get what you want the honest way.
Good God, man, that's fuckin' pathetic. Can you get off your whinging tear-jerker Bush-is-Evil performance even once in a while? For Christ's sake, man, it's a bunch of Apple retards, what has it got to do with the Decline and Fall of America (coming any time now)?
You moron, this is a science story, not an engineering story. Of course it's far from production, that's not what the point of the story is. So, yes, this is a story of substance, and you come off looking like a complete jackass.
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Sounds like a dumb bet to me. Do you really think that in however many millions of years it takes for the sun to endanger planet earth, we won't have spread beyond the reach of this small sun? In only a few short thousands of years, we've spread out beyond the reach of local threats to humanity's existence in our cradle, and I'd imagine that long, long before the sun supernovas, we'll have come up with multiple elegant solutions to any existential threat from the sun.
Sorry, could you say that again in English?
as for the infiniteness of it, well, it's not mathematically infinite, but I assume that's not what he means and it wouldn't matter anyway, as humanity and the sun and the universe etc. are presumably not truly infinite. But in a realistic sense, yeah, that's basically what the environment is: an infinitely exploitable resource. The only limitation I see is what creative uses humanity can come up with for it.
What the fuck happened to you? God do you sound bitter and pathetic.
It sounds to me that you have the belief that the world will continue to produce oil for as long as we want.
Um, it should be pretty clear to you based on a few thousand years of human history that we will find a way. Doesn't have to be more oil, but we'll continue to come up with other and better energy sources. Seriously, go ask Malthus, Ehrlich and co. about various other shortages. Humanity always wins.
In other words, there's no need to worry about artificially capping demand, or wondering whether we'll cap the demand in other ways, etc., etc., market forces and human ingenuity will lead to better supplies (and perhaps also alter demand, but that's immaterial).
As for artificially reducing oil demand, considering the econimic productivity that's derived from oil use, it's obvious that it would indeed cause great harm to the economy (and the world's economies). So, for the children, please don't try to savage the economies that produce the food that feeds the kids, just to fix some made up deal about climate change. Anyway, global warming would be nice, I could stand to see a few more bikinis in Canada in the winter, and increasing the livable and productive land area would no doubt be beneficial for millions of people.
Oh, I thought it was one of the UN's more typical projects, designed to promote child sex trade and genocide.
And, that climate change is a good thing. The earth used to be 10 deg. C warmer than it is now, and life flourished on a much greater percentage of the land. I'd love it if millions of people didn't have to starve because of the current cool earth's limited livable area, and I also wouldn't object to some nicer weather way up here in Canada.
I don't know of any extreme of weather where man battles and wins.
Then you completely fail to understand the basic nature of humanity. We've conquered pretty much every "unlivable" environment, and will continue to do so, making the environment more productive for our needs. Unlike you morons, I'd rather that humanity continue to manipulate the environment to serve its needs, as it's done for thousands of years, than that we force random suffering on ourselves (or I should say on others among us, since it's usually two different groups -- those who make dumb laws, and those who suffer) because of fear of the environment, like some dumb chimp. No, that's not right, even chimps make better use of the environment than idiot environmentalists do.
We've seen people bet against humanity any number of times -- Thomas Malthus, Paul Ehrlich, global cooling, global warming, coal shortage, oil shortage, water shortage, blah blah blah. Each and every time, humanity wins, and will continue to win, for the simple reason that humans are smarter than nature. It's really not a hard concept, and anyone who bets against humanity is a moron.
Yeah, cutting down economies, reducing the amount of money people have to spend on using the environment for feeding, clothing, entertaining themselves, etc., that's a minor cost compared to feeling good about ourselves for making some arbitrary change to the chemical composition of the earth's environment!
But Republicans apparently believe that the environment is nothing more than an infinitely exploitable resource
Duh, that's what it is. You don't have to be a Republican to believe that.
The environment doesn't want to be anthropomorphized.
...with silver particles woven into the material to prevent sweating.
Uh oh, one more thing the colloidal/ionic silver idiots will use in their come-ons to turn people blue.
Luckily, like most scams these days, I'm guessing the majority of the victims will be pathetic wannabes and the scammers themselves.
Can you offer any ideas in the nuclear sector?
Wow, you got pretty much the whole platform into your comment.
By the way, that's something worth thinking about. If you want your guys to win elections and stuff, maybe you should work on a platform that's not just an angry rant about how everything that a conservative ever does is evil.
Anyway, as for the subject matter of this exchange, I don't see why you're so critical of my line "when it's pretty clear what he intended." I mean, do you not hate Bush, and blindly stand up for whatever idiotic thing all the other like-minded folk are saying? You're fantasizing about food shortages and oil crises, when America is flourishing and there's no reason whatsoever to suggest imminent societal collapse (unless, if the neo-cons are up to something...).
And no, homeland security is not about bird flu, it's about killing or arresting the losers who want to blow America up.
I don't have an ignorant "with us or against us" mentality, I'm just poking fun at the fucked up obsession prevalent among a subset of the world's idiots that Rabbi Bush and his cabal of sinister Zionist neo-cons are leading America down a path of ruin. Do you have any objection to that?
You're trying to be clever by pointing out that no one uses 30-year old versions of Unix, but that doesn't matter at all since we know that many people do use Win2000. And for what it's worth, many people also continue to use Linux and Unix from the same period as w2k.
Christ, when did people start becoming so stupid?
Bravo, good show mate. Speaking of simple minds, I don't see why your "reality-based community" needs to find verbatim words for me to refer to what he's saying, when it's pretty clear what he intended. Uh oh, you never used the exact phrase reality-based community in your post, so I guess I must just be a Repuglitarian or whatever other dumb word you just made up.
Amen, brother!
hitting Windows 2000 desktops at CNN, ABC, the New York Times, and many others.
Hm, must be a Karl Rove plant.
Or else it's just another victory in the GWOT?
Heh.. someone else posted the same quote further up in the thread but screwed up the formatting, so I assumed he had made up the quote as a joke (a funny one). A guy actually said it? That's pretty hilarious.
(Someone should make that his sig)
What makes it even worse is that these same people, for the most part, are also constitutionally unwilling to do the least bit of anything you call "work," when it would pay off far more handsomely, and in the majority of cases be more richly rewarding, too. Consistently doing at least a little bit of hard work is so easy, pecuniarily rewarding, and enjoyable in many circumstances, that it's practically a get-rich-quick scheme ... only it actually works.
Seriously, the amount of whining about "the wealthy" and having to go to work, and about evil businessmen and corporations, is in itself already more effort than it takes to get what you want the honest way.
Good God, man, that's fuckin' pathetic. Can you get off your whinging tear-jerker Bush-is-Evil performance even once in a while? For Christ's sake, man, it's a bunch of Apple retards, what has it got to do with the Decline and Fall of America (coming any time now)?
(Vomit)
Well, to be fair, if Mac users are this completely retarded, maybe Mac sellers aren't so hot themselves?
Heh... funniest thing I've seen in a long time. Thanks!
Good grief..
You moron, this is a science story, not an engineering story. Of course it's far from production, that's not what the point of the story is. So, yes, this is a story of substance, and you come off looking like a complete jackass.
Yep, Wales' comment was by far the best one-line description of how Slashdot works, evar.