Thank you. I'm glad someone agrees. My point originally was basically that my company does not treat me like a wage slave. So I'm willing to stay up all night to babysit servers, or be on call whenever I'm needed.
It's also most likely the contributing factor to the quality of employees that we have and the fact the we are doing so well.
My walking off is not admitting guilt at all. You must not live in the U.S.. It's admitting that I'm not going to waste my time. Whether it's five seconds ro twenty minutes, I'm not going to bow down to some false authority.
I'm supposed to take someone seriously who can't use contractions correctly? And for the record, I'm not someone who would rip my company off. I never said a word about taking advantage of my company. I have privacy rights regardless of whether or not it's during working hours or not.
As far as them paying for the equipment. Who cares, they pay for the toilets too, put I'm not about to let them watch me take a shit.
You want people that behave the way you want, get some robots.
I hear stories about Fry's something about requiring all sorts of id when using a credit card? If I'm ever near one, I'm going to load up, and try and use a credit card. If they hassle me about it, I'll let them put all of the merchandise back themselves. My school used to constantly hassle people over check cards. I used to argue with them constantly, the whole point of Visa check card commercials was that you WOULDN'T need id.
Simple solution. I won't work for a compny that refuses to recognize my basic human rights. If I don personal stuff at work that I don't wnat seen, I encrypt it. If you fire me, oh well. Your loss. I can get another job anywhere.
As a work for hire employee, it is the result of my work that belongs to the company, nothing else. Not my time, not my personal life, nothing. I work way more than 40 hours a week. I don't get paid overtime, there are times when I must do personal things at work. If you don't like it, I can work strict 9 to 5 hours and not be available on weekends at all, everything can wait till Monday and I'll get all of my personal obligations done at home.
You're assuming that the district is guilty which is just a moronic assumption to begin with. So the school is faced with extortion. Spend money preparing for this audit, not to mention the inconvenience of it, or just send up $500,000. Let me clue you in. MS is not the police, they have no right to this type of activity, case closed.
What kind of license is it. I'm assumming a site license, since a normal click through is absolutely useless in this situation. For example:
MS to me: We are coming to audit your system to make sure there is no illegally obtained MS software on it.
Me: What gives you the right to do that.
MS: The EULA on Windows software.
Me: Well I don't believe in the legality of EULA's regardless of UCITA. But in any case, I never agreed to a EULA that allows you to search my computer, therefore you cannot, even by your own, questionably legal EULA
What I'm trying to say is that buying off the shelf Windoze would circumvent this problem. They have no way to prove that you clicked through any agreement, without first searching your computer, which that cannot do unless they prove you clicked on an agreement...
I'm not sure about that. IF you have a reciept it's convenient to show the reciept to avoid the hassle, but I'm not sure you HAVE to. The burden is still on the store to prove that you did it.
Example, Best Buy in particular is guilty of this, especially around X-Mas. The theft detection thing constantly goes off. In most cases the people who set it off stand around and wait for an employee to waive them through, sometimes after checking their reciept sometimes not. I personally refuse to stop and have my bag searched because some acne scarred teenager was too busy daydreaming to properly clear my dvd's.
Around here, CompUsa takes this to an extreme, every person walking out of the store has his/her bag checked against the reciept. This really irritates me, because it's inconvenient and at that point the money has changed hands, that product is mine. I don't feel I need to be subjected to their draconian anti-theft measures. And I'm not sure that there's a thing they can do about it if I refuse. Other than ban me from the store.
The question of shoplifters isn't exactly black and white, in MD at least, you cannot be convicted of shoplifting while still inside the store (though this may have changed slightly), so you can put something up your shirt, but until you walk out of the store it's not stealing. Once you are out of the store, however, it is. But a clerk in a store has no legal right to do anything to you once you're off the stores premises. Other than to follow you, they cannot attempt to restrain you in any way, even if you were actually stealing.
I'm not going to start the whole overblown argument, but employees DO have rights to privacy, even while at work. I'm not saying that a MIS, or similar, department shouldn't be aware of what's on a computer, but there is a limit to their powers. I can tell you that if someone came to me at work and told me to give them my password so they could check my linux box I'd probably tell them no, or at least demand a good reason why. That being said, I have no problem with my employer making sure the companies (legal) ass is covered.
Yeah the age difference stuck me as odd too, although if Anakin is 10 and you put the princess a little younger, 14 or so it's not too bad. I don't think they ever really say how old the princess is. She's obviously older, the question is how much.
I agree, like Hitler was was running around as a kid hurling invectives and the children on the next block and invading those neighborhoods around him.
Anakin is a child, and furthermore he is Lucas's creation, he can do what he wants. If you don't like it, don't watch it, right?
The attitude that a lot of people have is that they have a right to Star Wars, that somehow they created it and are the one who should decide how it should progress. That's just wrong. I have no problem with people saying: It would be better if..., or I really didn't like... That's all part of being a fan, but taking it to extremes? Number one it'sjust a movie, number two, it's not even YOUR movie.
I'm suprised that this guy is getting away with this edit. Doesn't it say at the beginning of the movie that it cannot be redistibuted in any form? Even if it didn't this is obviously a case of copyright infringement. (Assuming you believe that copyright law is worth anything that is). Why hasn't Lucas gone after him?
No people are not justified in being offended. This thin skinned bleeding heart crap has gone too far. If I were to make a movie, I sure as hell would ignore ANYONE who told me my bad guys couldn't have dark skin, or light skin, or speak with this accent or that. You read too much into it. And the people who generally whine about this sort of thing are the people who look for it everywhere.
Yeah that's it. That's why I don't agree. I've never had an idea stolen because I don't believe ideas CAN be stolen. So try using what, apparently underdeveloped, brain you have and attack the argument, instead trying to seem intelligent by attacking me.
It constantly amazes me that someone who posts offtopic gets modded as insightful. Who said anything about prepending anything with GNU. In fact your entire post is so completely offtopic I started to laugh. Who cares what you company does. This whole thread was about Linus being dis-respectful on stage during the award RMS recieved. As far as Linus not caring, I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank for getting dragged to conventions and getting hit up for interviews.
Ever stop to think that I feel copyright is a non-issue. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't exists. Who are you or anyone else to tell me I can't say or write a certain sequence of words because someone else said them first. The entire concept is bogus.
Not likely, it was the fact that so many GNU tools were available that Linux even took off in the first place. Of course that's mostly opinion, but it probably what would have happened. The fact that the sheer number and quality of good tools were allready available was what prompted the first of us to jump on the bandwagon. It's a symbiotic relationship. Sure they can both exist without the other, but would they have gotten aroung as much... not likely.
Would I not look? No I wouldn't, out of simple respect. Soes she have a right to complain, or threaten legal action if I do. No. It's not my responsibility to look away if she's unclothed, it's her responsibility to make sure everything she doesn't want seen is covered up.
Admittedly this isn't a perfect analogy since, for the most part, we're talking about linking to the web page of a corporation. And while I would look away from a woman in that particular form of distress, if a corporation's shirt comes undone (metaphorically of course) I'll look all I want. I have no moral, legal, or personal obligation to do anything else.
And vice versa Linux would be useless without GNU tools. That kind of arrogance is ridiculous. If your not willing to respect the man that won an award while he's on stage, then simply get off the stage during his speech. Don't be so uncouth as to fuck around on stage while someone is trying to talk.
Agreed, however, as far as I'm concerned, whether you want me to or not, it's a public place. It's available for viewing, so I'll view it how I choose. There are limits to what you can or cannot expect when in public, the same applies here. If I'm carrying a Playboy and I don't want anyone to know, I'd put it in a bag. If I carry it openly then I must expect that some people will look.
Yeah I was actually a little pissed at that seen. Linus acted like a complete dick, completely dis-respectful. Regardless of their personal viewpoint differences there was no excuse for that.
The stupidity of some people is astounding. It's not trespassing if you make something publically available. I don't give a shit if there's a note at the top of a page claiming that I have to go back to the main site and follow local links back to the information I want. If you make it visible to the public you have absolutely no leg to stand on. You can't stop me from looking in the fence, you have to put up walls if there's something you don't want to be seen, just like in real life.
Please enlighten everyone exactly what it is that you created. I suppose you are the REAL creator of the Internet and not Al Gore.
As for your outrage about corporatism, does your hypocrisy know no bounds? You vote with your dollars. If you don't like the WSJ service then don't pay for it. Why support an organization that is so obviously against your stated interests? Your protests sound hollow
Fuck you asshole. Number one I vote with my voice, not my dollars. Life does not revolve around money. It's only emtpy headed corporate types like you that think otherwise.
First of all Gore didn't create the net. We did. Those of us that connected our machines to it before people like you even knew what it was. Those of use that started linking together BBS's and pulling usenet down nightly to make it available to those who couldn't get on the net proper. Those of us who built the community that made the net popular enough for more and more people to want to join. Those who joined up not to make money but to propogate the free exchange of information, and to create relationships with others that transcend geographical, and political boundaries. If you don't like it, tough shit. The net istelf is open. You're welcome to put a corporate site up, but you will play by the rules. If you put it on a web page, you've just posted information in a public place, protect it yourself, or find another means to provide access.
'Taking content and representing it as your own is theft!' (Or you can call it plagiarism if you like).
That's an opinion, say it with me, opinion. And, frankly, one I don't subscribe to. If you put an essay up on your site and I memorize it and recite it to my friends there's nothing you can do about it. If I choose to use something to augment my memory so I never forget it, there's nothing you can do about it. If I choose to recite it to 100 friends or 1000 there's nothing you can do about it. It's your fucked up sense of ownership that makes you think you can or even should.
Exactly exactly exactly exactly, I can't say it enough. Deep linking is the nature of the web, and openess is the nature of the internet. Sure you can put up closed sites, and you have every right to, but don't attempt to pervert the nature of something good that you've done absolutely nothing to contribute to.
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It's also most likely the contributing factor to the quality of employees that we have and the fact the we are doing so well.
My walking off is not admitting guilt at all. You must not live in the U.S.. It's admitting that I'm not going to waste my time. Whether it's five seconds ro twenty minutes, I'm not going to bow down to some false authority.
As far as them paying for the equipment. Who cares, they pay for the toilets too, put I'm not about to let them watch me take a shit.
You want people that behave the way you want, get some robots.
I hear stories about Fry's something about requiring all sorts of id when using a credit card? If I'm ever near one, I'm going to load up, and try and use a credit card. If they hassle me about it, I'll let them put all of the merchandise back themselves. My school used to constantly hassle people over check cards. I used to argue with them constantly, the whole point of Visa check card commercials was that you WOULDN'T need id.
As a work for hire employee, it is the result of my work that belongs to the company, nothing else. Not my time, not my personal life, nothing. I work way more than 40 hours a week. I don't get paid overtime, there are times when I must do personal things at work. If you don't like it, I can work strict 9 to 5 hours and not be available on weekends at all, everything can wait till Monday and I'll get all of my personal obligations done at home.
You're assuming that the district is guilty which is just a moronic assumption to begin with. So the school is faced with extortion. Spend money preparing for this audit, not to mention the inconvenience of it, or just send up $500,000. Let me clue you in. MS is not the police, they have no right to this type of activity, case closed.
MS to me: We are coming to audit your system to make sure there is no illegally obtained MS software on it.
Me: What gives you the right to do that.
MS: The EULA on Windows software.
Me: Well I don't believe in the legality of EULA's regardless of UCITA. But in any case, I never agreed to a EULA that allows you to search my computer, therefore you cannot, even by your own, questionably legal EULA
What I'm trying to say is that buying off the shelf Windoze would circumvent this problem. They have no way to prove that you clicked through any agreement, without first searching your computer, which that cannot do unless they prove you clicked on an agreement...
Example, Best Buy in particular is guilty of this, especially around X-Mas. The theft detection thing constantly goes off. In most cases the people who set it off stand around and wait for an employee to waive them through, sometimes after checking their reciept sometimes not. I personally refuse to stop and have my bag searched because some acne scarred teenager was too busy daydreaming to properly clear my dvd's.
Around here, CompUsa takes this to an extreme, every person walking out of the store has his/her bag checked against the reciept. This really irritates me, because it's inconvenient and at that point the money has changed hands, that product is mine. I don't feel I need to be subjected to their draconian anti-theft measures. And I'm not sure that there's a thing they can do about it if I refuse. Other than ban me from the store.
The question of shoplifters isn't exactly black and white, in MD at least, you cannot be convicted of shoplifting while still inside the store (though this may have changed slightly), so you can put something up your shirt, but until you walk out of the store it's not stealing. Once you are out of the store, however, it is. But a clerk in a store has no legal right to do anything to you once you're off the stores premises. Other than to follow you, they cannot attempt to restrain you in any way, even if you were actually stealing.
I'm not going to start the whole overblown argument, but employees DO have rights to privacy, even while at work. I'm not saying that a MIS, or similar, department shouldn't be aware of what's on a computer, but there is a limit to their powers. I can tell you that if someone came to me at work and told me to give them my password so they could check my linux box I'd probably tell them no, or at least demand a good reason why. That being said, I have no problem with my employer making sure the companies (legal) ass is covered.
Yeah the age difference stuck me as odd too, although if Anakin is 10 and you put the princess a little younger, 14 or so it's not too bad. I don't think they ever really say how old the princess is. She's obviously older, the question is how much.
Anakin is a child, and furthermore he is Lucas's creation, he can do what he wants. If you don't like it, don't watch it, right?
The attitude that a lot of people have is that they have a right to Star Wars, that somehow they created it and are the one who should decide how it should progress. That's just wrong. I have no problem with people saying: It would be better if..., or I really didn't like... That's all part of being a fan, but taking it to extremes? Number one it'sjust a movie, number two, it's not even YOUR movie.
I'm suprised that this guy is getting away with this edit. Doesn't it say at the beginning of the movie that it cannot be redistibuted in any form? Even if it didn't this is obviously a case of copyright infringement. (Assuming you believe that copyright law is worth anything that is). Why hasn't Lucas gone after him?
No people are not justified in being offended. This thin skinned bleeding heart crap has gone too far. If I were to make a movie, I sure as hell would ignore ANYONE who told me my bad guys couldn't have dark skin, or light skin, or speak with this accent or that. You read too much into it. And the people who generally whine about this sort of thing are the people who look for it everywhere.
Yeah that's it. That's why I don't agree. I've never had an idea stolen because I don't believe ideas CAN be stolen. So try using what, apparently underdeveloped, brain you have and attack the argument, instead trying to seem intelligent by attacking me.
It constantly amazes me that someone who posts offtopic gets modded as insightful. Who said anything about prepending anything with GNU. In fact your entire post is so completely offtopic I started to laugh. Who cares what you company does. This whole thread was about Linus being dis-respectful on stage during the award RMS recieved. As far as Linus not caring, I'm sure he's crying all the way to the bank for getting dragged to conventions and getting hit up for interviews.
Ever stop to think that I feel copyright is a non-issue. As far as I'm concerned it shouldn't exists. Who are you or anyone else to tell me I can't say or write a certain sequence of words because someone else said them first. The entire concept is bogus.
Not likely, it was the fact that so many GNU tools were available that Linux even took off in the first place. Of course that's mostly opinion, but it probably what would have happened. The fact that the sheer number and quality of good tools were allready available was what prompted the first of us to jump on the bandwagon. It's a symbiotic relationship. Sure they can both exist without the other, but would they have gotten aroung as much... not likely.
Admittedly this isn't a perfect analogy since, for the most part, we're talking about linking to the web page of a corporation. And while I would look away from a woman in that particular form of distress, if a corporation's shirt comes undone (metaphorically of course) I'll look all I want. I have no moral, legal, or personal obligation to do anything else.
And vice versa Linux would be useless without GNU tools. That kind of arrogance is ridiculous. If your not willing to respect the man that won an award while he's on stage, then simply get off the stage during his speech. Don't be so uncouth as to fuck around on stage while someone is trying to talk.
Agreed, however, as far as I'm concerned, whether you want me to or not, it's a public place. It's available for viewing, so I'll view it how I choose. There are limits to what you can or cannot expect when in public, the same applies here. If I'm carrying a Playboy and I don't want anyone to know, I'd put it in a bag. If I carry it openly then I must expect that some people will look.
Yeah I was actually a little pissed at that seen. Linus acted like a complete dick, completely dis-respectful. Regardless of their personal viewpoint differences there was no excuse for that.
Though not necessarily a GOOD documentary. The dramatic reading of the Gates letter to Hobbyists was a little over the top.
Then the burden is on YOU to take care of access rights, especially in a public place.
The stupidity of some people is astounding. It's not trespassing if you make something publically available. I don't give a shit if there's a note at the top of a page claiming that I have to go back to the main site and follow local links back to the information I want. If you make it visible to the public you have absolutely no leg to stand on. You can't stop me from looking in the fence, you have to put up walls if there's something you don't want to be seen, just like in real life.
As for your outrage about corporatism, does your hypocrisy know no bounds? You vote with your dollars. If you don't like the WSJ service then don't pay for it. Why support an organization that is so obviously against your stated interests? Your protests sound hollow
Fuck you asshole. Number one I vote with my voice, not my dollars. Life does not revolve around money. It's only emtpy headed corporate types like you that think otherwise.
First of all Gore didn't create the net. We did. Those of us that connected our machines to it before people like you even knew what it was. Those of use that started linking together BBS's and pulling usenet down nightly to make it available to those who couldn't get on the net proper. Those of us who built the community that made the net popular enough for more and more people to want to join. Those who joined up not to make money but to propogate the free exchange of information, and to create relationships with others that transcend geographical, and political boundaries. If you don't like it, tough shit. The net istelf is open. You're welcome to put a corporate site up, but you will play by the rules. If you put it on a web page, you've just posted information in a public place, protect it yourself, or find another means to provide access.
'Taking content and representing it as your own is theft!' (Or you can call it plagiarism if you like).
That's an opinion, say it with me, opinion. And, frankly, one I don't subscribe to. If you put an essay up on your site and I memorize it and recite it to my friends there's nothing you can do about it. If I choose to use something to augment my memory so I never forget it, there's nothing you can do about it. If I choose to recite it to 100 friends or 1000 there's nothing you can do about it. It's your fucked up sense of ownership that makes you think you can or even should.
Exactly exactly exactly exactly, I can't say it enough. Deep linking is the nature of the web, and openess is the nature of the internet. Sure you can put up closed sites, and you have every right to, but don't attempt to pervert the nature of something good that you've done absolutely nothing to contribute to.