I don't think he was clear enough. From what I understand, they need cash to operate, so if they aren't getting enough from donations, they have to spend manpower trying to generate some money, instead of doing the things that are prioritized independent of the need for money.
The act of duplicating a file from one computer to another computer is not illegal, nor will it ever be
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Thanks for playing. It allready is when it's a copyrighted file, which even though I left out, you knew I meant, unless of course that you're collosally stupid. But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Even if your attempt at proving me wrong failed miserably with you inability to construct a proper argument.
Don't give me that bullshit, you knew I meant copyrighted file even if I did accidentally leave it out, so of course copying files you own the copyright to is not illegal.
... regardless of whether or not file sharing is WRONG. It's certainly illegal. Always has been regardless of whether the file is stored on a hard drive or tranferred to a cassette tape or cd. I'm not going to get into a huge debate about the subject, mainly because my opinion on the matter changes from day to day;)
But I think that, for the most part, that no one will disagree that there are people using p2p networks for the wrong reasons. The spyware makers have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain. Here's a simple analogy: Guy meets girl with boyfriend, guy steals girl, girl cheats on him, he gets upset. I've got one thing to say to the people who write the spyware for kazaa, you want to swin with the sharks prepare to get bitten.
It's not a slippery slope you numb fuck. Taking the free speech protection away from any form of expression is a violation of the constitution. Learn about the laws of this country or go somewhere else.
At first I started getting angry, then I realized. Troll. Almost got me to flame you,... almost. It was the last paragraph that pushed it WAY over the edge of belief though.
doesn't lock up whole classes of people (Africans)
Uhh, you make it sound as if the police walk the streets and send anyone of African descent to jail. Patently untrue.
pushes other countries into conflict by meddling in their internal affairs
Ok yeah, we do this, and we need to stop
While I wouldn't exactly call you treasonous. (You actually have to betray your country to get that status) You are full of hot air and little sense. If you don't like it here so much get the fuck out.
There's a huge difference between banning something for minors AND SAYING IT DOESN'T COUNT AS FREE SPEECH. It's not that big of an intellectual leap to understand this. Nudity and R rated movies ARE protected as free speech. According to this video games ARE NOT. Which allows them to be completely banned. Use your head.
Huh, so art doesn't fall under free speech either. You have a hard time swallowing it because you have a limited understanding of the concept of freedom of expression.
The problem is agreement or not, I will not bow down to these draconian measures. Why should I. Someone above related this to car manufacturers getting together and forcing you to buy gas guzzlers. I consider it civil disobedience, and I will not be railroaded into limitations for the sake of money. If they choose to give the product away for free, once it's on my machine I can do with it what I want. If they choose to sell it, again once I have my copy I can do with it what I want.
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Yes and he's completely ignoring the fact that I CHOOSE to install Adaware on my system SO IT CAN uninstall extra spyware crap. I didn't ask for Radplayer to do this, and I certainly wasn't expecting it to.
I've seen it mentioned somewhere before that EULA's should be completely un-enforcable (not that they are enforcable now) as far as doing things that have NOTHING to do with the implied use of the product.
Yes and add to that the fact that I (and many otheres) have heard non-computer people (even the media sometimes) say that it was all a big scare for nothing. That we were "doom and glooming", ect. I just want to shake these people by the neck, "That's cuz we fixed it you numb fuck!";).
I can never tell when I hear (or hear of) that sentiment if the person either didn't understand the issue in the first place or doesn't understand that it was fixed.
I don't know. I'm pretty hostile toward "web-usability" experts, but blask on white is the easiest to read to me, and I'm sure for most people. It's the ulimate contrast, all colors on the absence of color. Any other combination means that both the text and the background contain elements of each other so will blend, even if only slightly.
Sounds interesting but unfortunately I read entirely too fast for something this small. And the price is a little high for something that simple. And the ecrypted stuff bothers me. I've always wished that books came with a cd rom version (technical books that is for quick access), if I owned an eBook reader I'd like to be able to buy the paperback and download a copy of the eBook if I wanted. All in all though when the price comes down I may try one, even if I am a bit of a bibliophile. There's definitely something to be said about owning the dead tree version. My copy of GEB looks good sitting on the coffee table;)
Oh I'm not making a stance for or against the subject. Just pointing out a flaw in the way the gain part is stated.;) I was trying to point out that in both situations I said (both getting the cd free from a friend and paying the friend for it) it's the same situation to the artist.
Ummm. No. You do not gain, not having a negative impact on your wallet in a capitalistic society. It's based on the transfer of money, with the reciever getting a positive increase. There is a difference. If I copy a cd from a friend, no transfer of money occurs. According to you, I'm depriving the artist of the ability to lessen the amount of money I have, that's just stupid. By that argument if I give my friend the price of the cd I've gained nothing, AND the artist still has not been paid.
So we owe people the ability to make a living at any endeavor? Cool, I'm owed the chance to make a living sitting on my couch and watching my tv. Yep the world owes me the oppurtunity to attempt that.
Ridiculous. You are not owed an oppurtunity to make a living doing anything, nor are you owed CONTINUED oppurtunity to make a living doing anything. Technology changes potential job markets, social changes change potential job markets, political changes change certain job markets. How many professional blacksmiths do you know? How about shoemakers?
Also if you've ever read Origin of the species, Darwin writes what amounts to be a disclaimer. I forget the wording but he states that there are holes in his theory, and that he is a Christian. Not exactly the anti-religion flag I'd be waving if I were a rabid atheist.
I'd rather reply than mod you down, especially since I don't dis-agree with everything;)
However I will take offense at you comment about desktop usability. This complaint about Linux is a myth. Typically, when people say this what they really mean is "More like windows". Using Windows as the de-facto standard for desktop usability is not only unfair, it destroys the (small amount of IMHO) credibility that usability tests have in the first place.
Taking people from Windows and seeing how they feel with Linux proves nothing. Of course they're more comfortable with Windows. They've allready been using it. If you want to do this right, have people who know nothing about computers, and have never used one sit down and figure it out. You won't get the same results I promise you that.
I won't go off on it, but you also need to remember that there are a large number of desktops for Linux, which are tested, KDE? Gnome? Some of the older desktops? It matters. And someone who wants to prove that Windows is has a easier desktop could easily do so, just by their choice of Linux desktop- to compare to.
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I don't think he was clear enough. From what I understand, they need cash to operate, so if they aren't getting enough from donations, they have to spend manpower trying to generate some money, instead of doing the things that are prioritized independent of the need for money.
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Thanks for playing. It allready is when it's a copyrighted file, which even though I left out, you knew I meant, unless of course that you're collosally stupid. But I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. Even if your attempt at proving me wrong failed miserably with you inability to construct a proper argument.
Don't give me that bullshit, you knew I meant copyrighted file even if I did accidentally leave it out, so of course copying files you own the copyright to is not illegal.
No it's not, it's exactly the same.
But I think that, for the most part, that no one will disagree that there are people using p2p networks for the wrong reasons. The spyware makers have absolutely NO RIGHT to complain. Here's a simple analogy: Guy meets girl with boyfriend, guy steals girl, girl cheats on him, he gets upset. I've got one thing to say to the people who write the spyware for kazaa, you want to swin with the sharks prepare to get bitten.
It's not a slippery slope you numb fuck. Taking the free speech protection away from any form of expression is a violation of the constitution. Learn about the laws of this country or go somewhere else.
At first I started getting angry, then I realized. Troll. Almost got me to flame you,... almost. It was the last paragraph that pushed it WAY over the edge of belief though.
Uhh, you make it sound as if the police walk the streets and send anyone of African descent to jail. Patently untrue.
pushes other countries into conflict by meddling in their internal affairs
Ok yeah, we do this, and we need to stop
While I wouldn't exactly call you treasonous. (You actually have to betray your country to get that status) You are full of hot air and little sense. If you don't like it here so much get the fuck out.
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Just because it doesn't come from a major newspaper is no reason to assume it to be false.
There's a huge difference between banning something for minors AND SAYING IT DOESN'T COUNT AS FREE SPEECH. It's not that big of an intellectual leap to understand this. Nudity and R rated movies ARE protected as free speech. According to this video games ARE NOT. Which allows them to be completely banned. Use your head.
Not to mention that ANYTHING I translate from my head to a externally accessible media IS BY DEFINITION EXPRESSION. It's a simple fucking concept.
Huh, so art doesn't fall under free speech either. You have a hard time swallowing it because you have a limited understanding of the concept of freedom of expression.
The big deal is that this is just another step towards making it illegal to produce certain games at all.
Bullcrap, admit it, you haven't really checked have you. Until you really check I can't read your the rest of you post...
The problem is agreement or not, I will not bow down to these draconian measures. Why should I. Someone above related this to car manufacturers getting together and forcing you to buy gas guzzlers. I consider it civil disobedience, and I will not be railroaded into limitations for the sake of money. If they choose to give the product away for free, once it's on my machine I can do with it what I want. If they choose to sell it, again once I have my copy I can do with it what I want.
I've seen it mentioned somewhere before that EULA's should be completely un-enforcable (not that they are enforcable now) as far as doing things that have NOTHING to do with the implied use of the product.
I can never tell when I hear (or hear of) that sentiment if the person either didn't understand the issue in the first place or doesn't understand that it was fixed.
I don't know. I'm pretty hostile toward "web-usability" experts, but blask on white is the easiest to read to me, and I'm sure for most people. It's the ulimate contrast, all colors on the absence of color. Any other combination means that both the text and the background contain elements of each other so will blend, even if only slightly.
Sounds interesting but unfortunately I read entirely too fast for something this small. And the price is a little high for something that simple. And the ecrypted stuff bothers me. I've always wished that books came with a cd rom version (technical books that is for quick access), if I owned an eBook reader I'd like to be able to buy the paperback and download a copy of the eBook if I wanted.
;)
All in all though when the price comes down I may try one, even if I am a bit of a bibliophile. There's definitely something to be said about owning the dead tree version. My copy of GEB looks good sitting on the coffee table
Oh I'm not making a stance for or against the subject. Just pointing out a flaw in the way the gain part is stated. ;) I was trying to point out that in both situations I said (both getting the cd free from a friend and paying the friend for it) it's the same situation to the artist.
Ummm. No. You do not gain, not having a negative impact on your wallet in a capitalistic society. It's based on the transfer of money, with the reciever getting a positive increase. There is a difference. If I copy a cd from a friend, no transfer of money occurs. According to you, I'm depriving the artist of the ability to lessen the amount of money I have, that's just stupid. By that argument if I give my friend the price of the cd I've gained nothing, AND the artist still has not been paid.
Ridiculous. You are not owed an oppurtunity to make a living doing anything, nor are you owed CONTINUED oppurtunity to make a living doing anything. Technology changes potential job markets, social changes change potential job markets, political changes change certain job markets. How many professional blacksmiths do you know? How about shoemakers?
I wonder if Natalie knows that there are hoards of drooling geeks that idolize her?
Also if you've ever read Origin of the species, Darwin writes what amounts to be a disclaimer. I forget the wording but he states that there are holes in his theory, and that he is a Christian. Not exactly the anti-religion flag I'd be waving if I were a rabid atheist.
However I will take offense at you comment about desktop usability. This complaint about Linux is a myth. Typically, when people say this what they really mean is "More like windows". Using Windows as the de-facto standard for desktop usability is not only unfair, it destroys the (small amount of IMHO) credibility that usability tests have in the first place.
Taking people from Windows and seeing how they feel with Linux proves nothing. Of course they're more comfortable with Windows. They've allready been using it. If you want to do this right, have people who know nothing about computers, and have never used one sit down and figure it out. You won't get the same results I promise you that.
I won't go off on it, but you also need to remember that there are a large number of desktops for Linux, which are tested, KDE? Gnome? Some of the older desktops? It matters. And someone who wants to prove that Windows is has a easier desktop could easily do so, just by their choice of Linux desktop- to compare to.