How is it wwrong for fansites to publish leaked information. It seems to me that if information leaked, Lucas has no one to go after but the employee who leaked it. Once that information is out I'd think freedom of speech takes over.
I didn't even realize that these things were this close to production. I had figured that they were under development. Now all of us that read the Diamond Age and though cool can daydream a little closer to reality now.
The quality user-friendly is a function of user intelligence and skill. And as far as little factual basis go check your facts. Linux is more secure, and does not crash.
The ratio of people who have a clue that use windows to those who do is much, much smaller in the windows world than in the Linux world. Apparently you still seems to think I'm making the blanket statement that all windows users are clueless, not only did I not say that in the first place I explicity denied it in a follow up.
And many of their enterprise products have a great deal of sophistication
Yeah they do. They are so sophisticated that they have huge secutrity holes, or don't work properly, or constantly work against rather than with the user. I'm not going to get into an argument over why Windows software is bad. It's pointless. If someone wants to drive a Festiva instead of a Mustang so be it. Yeah the Mustang takes more gas to operate. But it's stronger, faster, and can do a lot more work.
I have no problem helping out those that need help with Linux, and I have from people with doctorates to students.
The error in your attempt at biting sarcasm is that you assume that I'm using clueless newbies as a deragatory term, and assuming that I claim to have masterful skills. I can install and use linux of any flavor, but that's not the point. The point I was making is that M$ aims its products at people without much experience. Often this comes at the expense of security or whatever. As in this case they clearly are taking advantage of inexperienced users to promote their products.
you might want to work on your language skills a bit. No where in my was I insulting anyone that uses M$ products. And in any case, it's not my fault that the majority of M$ users are those that don't know any better.
Before I say anything else: Windows users generally ARE clueless newbies. That's kinda M$'s market no?
In any case it's one thing to automatically send out an informational note declaring a change of address. But I don't recall seeing anywhere M$ jinforming the user that they would be sending an ad/invitation or whatever. Most people would just assume they were sending a "hi my email address changed". Instead M$ is putting words into users mouths. They never said they wanted their contact list to try it.
I say we all d/l the software and put a hundred or so M$ email addresses in our address books, then we can invite M$ employees, support, or whatever to try the new MSN Exploder.
Hmmm great idea...separation of business and state. So in that scheme when businesses start violating civil liberties there's no one to protect the people.
I guess that the people can protect the people, oh wait the government IS the people. Hmmm guess it's time to move into an archology.
The Arthur C. CLarke quote, and the fact that Katz uses it for his theme for the piece.
The debates in the Middle Ages were trivial and meanigless, I think not. Discussion, and argument are the progenitors of change. We would not be where we are today without philosophy. It is the beginning, and end of the sciences. Political, and social sciences included.
I don't understand how Kaz can draw the inference that one day our political system, or debates, or whatever the hell point he's trying to make in analogous to Middle Age philisophical debates. He an Clarke are both misguided. Just because something turns out to be incorrect, or ends up being discarded after a while does not invalidate it. Our current political climate is THE single most important thing to our growth towards a better system.
It's only boring to people with short attention spans who can't pay attention to something long enough to protect their own rights. If we give up on this the powers that be (taking away our rights) gain a little ground. We can't give in an inch, or let even the smallest precedent be set.
This stuff is important, and it always will be. It's amazing to me that there is so much apathy about important issues when they are first brought up, while there is still time to fight. And so much outrage once it's too late. For example, UCITA. It was hard to get more than a hand full of people worked up over this ridiculous bill before it was passed, and now that it's legal I'm seeing more and more people shocked at what it does.
It's as if people expect the government to protect all of their rights automatically. Wake up people you have to fight every step of the way. Even a on a smaller issue such as CueCat.
Re:Told ya so! Neener neener!
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Well I know that replying to a troll is pointless:
If that's what you took out of the book, I think you need to read it again. The reason behind the early hackers activities was exploration and learning. Code was the beginning and the ultimate outlet for exploration. Case closed.
Besides:
1. Mitnick was and is nothing, the only reason he gained noteriety was because of the way his rights were vioolated.
2. Slashdot did not redefine the word, the media did. With all due respect to Slashdot, they haven't been around nearly long enough to have been a part of early hacker culture (although they are making their place now).
Uhhh check your info. Blanketting skinheads with the term rascist is a fallacy. The skinhead movement has nothing to do with racism. The nazi's and white supremecists may have adopted skinhead style, but that doesn't make true skinheads rascist. Do a little more research apart from watching the apathetic news media and ill-written movies.
Uhhh...I hate this argument...everywhere is a nation of immigrants, excepting possibly one place where possibly life on earth originated. Just because the colonization of the US is more recent does not make it any more of an immigration founded country than anywhere else.
At worst this letter was entertaining, but at best it's an Orwellian warning that we should take heed of. Of course it is a little over the top, but hyperbole is usually the best way to get important points across.
As much as I feel that we are heading to a society that resembles Mark's prediction. I've always felt that there will be a breaking point where people just won't stand for it anymore. The general apathy towards UCITA, DMCA, and the fiasco with Napster (at least outside of geek circles) can only continue for so long. Eventually disgust with the system will hit a threshhold and a large enough group of people will fight back. I'm not sure that working in the system is the way things like this will change. My prediction is that rampant civil disobediance will be the force for change. I'm sure there are others out there, like me, that will choose to ignore laws that take away our rights. The powers that be cannot win, when the numbers that are resisting are too huge to punish. Of course this all hinges on normal people feeling that their rights are being severely violated and realizing that there is something that they can do about it.
Re:It's ironic as hell that a Mac user said it.
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GUI is is the eye of the beholder. You cannot take a subjective concept such as a GUI and say one thing is better than any other. Especially since the one thing that you're picking is not part of the operating system.
A user interface is a requirement for an operating system. A GUI is not. The author is wrong. It's evident from his analogy to a car which leaves out some essential bits of car-ness; most notably a user interface, i.e. some method of controlling the car. With the addition of a controlling mechanism, what he's described is a car. Everything else is just bells and whistles.
The value of bells and whistles is a completely subjective thing. What you like, and what makes you productive may not work for me. So it seems to me that any OS that's forced to use a certain UI is inherently not well designed.
So considering all of the above I would have to say the BEST OS would be one that let's you install any UI you want from a customized shell to a full blown GUI...hmmm sounds a lot like linux. So that's it linux is a better operating system based on the UI criteria set forth by the author.
BTW semantics,....spell it with me s-e-m-a-n-t-i-c-s.
Again, nothing is naturally bad. In any culture there is a process for determining right and wrong, good and bad. In ours (US) is those with money and power.
No matter what activity you come up with there was/is most likely some culture who did not believe that the activity was wrong.
It just that we,as a culture, in our arrogance, like to think that we are the only morally correct people who ever lived and that what we believe is what everyone should believe.
>kiddie porn or murder. Now both of these acts >are in and of themselves Not true, there is no such thing as an act that is inherently bad. It's all a matter of cultural perspective. Which is why this whole Sealand thing works. They can do whatever they want when they're in a place where they determine the law, values, and norms of that culture.
Oh for christ's sake. Undegreed kids, formal knowledge. That's ridiculous, there are so many things wrong with your post that I'll just have to focus on one:
A degree has nothing to do with someone's ability to program. Nothing in college prepares you for working in the outside world. Your whining about 'undegreed kids' getting jobs is pure elitism. Now as far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with elitism as long as it's based on acheivement and ability. Not on money, which is at the root of your complaint. You're upset because these kids have circumvented the system by not paying ridiculous amounts of money to a bullshit institution that trains them in no way for real life.
Home computers have provided people with the ability to learn a trade, and be damn good at it, from the comfort of their own homes. All for the price of a computer. Hell, as prevalent as the internet is today it's no longer necessary to lay out money for books to learn to program, it's all out there for free.
I think you were born after your time. You sound like you'd be happier programming in your suit and tie at IBM in the 50's, among all the other batch trained automatons.
Re:Telnet is the only solution.
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Actually we as a country all sacrifice liberty for security. Do you have locks on your doors. Passwords into your computers? I thought so. Any company is going to use the most secure option available. That's just a fact of living in a capitalistic country. BTW throwing quotes around like that defintitely makes me question the validity of you being in Guiness. And another thing, Fermant's last theorem HAS been proven.
I agree. It can also be a problem when a girl, knows nothing about computers and has an hour long argument with you about why everyone hates Bill Gates because he is a rich computer genius. Uuugh I still get angry about it.
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How is it wwrong for fansites to publish leaked information. It seems to me that if information leaked, Lucas has no one to go after but the employee who leaked it. Once that information is out I'd think freedom of speech takes over.
I didn't even realize that these things were this close to production. I had figured that they were under development. Now all of us that read the Diamond Age and though cool can daydream a little closer to reality now.
The quality user-friendly is a function of user intelligence and skill. And as far as little factual basis go check your facts. Linux is more secure, and does not crash.
And many of their enterprise products have a great deal of sophistication
Yeah they do. They are so sophisticated that they have huge secutrity holes, or don't work properly, or constantly work against rather than with the user. I'm not going to get into an argument over why Windows software is bad. It's pointless. If someone wants to drive a Festiva instead of a Mustang so be it. Yeah the Mustang takes more gas to operate. But it's stronger, faster, and can do a lot more work.
The error in your attempt at biting sarcasm is that you assume that I'm using clueless newbies as a deragatory term, and assuming that I claim to have masterful skills. I can install and use linux of any flavor, but that's not the point. The point I was making is that M$ aims its products at people without much experience. Often this comes at the expense of security or whatever. As in this case they clearly are taking advantage of inexperienced users to promote their products.
you might want to work on your language skills a bit. No where in my was I insulting anyone that uses M$ products. And in any case, it's not my fault that the majority of M$ users are those that don't know any better.
In any case it's one thing to automatically send out an informational note declaring a change of address. But I don't recall seeing anywhere M$ jinforming the user that they would be sending an ad/invitation or whatever. Most people would just assume they were sending a "hi my email address changed". Instead M$ is putting words into users mouths. They never said they wanted their contact list to try it.
I say we all d/l the software and put a hundred or so M$ email addresses in our address books, then we can invite M$ employees, support, or whatever to try the new MSN Exploder.
I guess that the people can protect the people, oh wait the government IS the people. Hmmm guess it's time to move into an archology.
Stale is a under-statement. A community without deviants cannot grow, or sustain itself. It has no mechanism for change.
The Arthur C. CLarke quote, and the fact that Katz uses it for his theme for the piece.
The debates in the Middle Ages were trivial and meanigless, I think not. Discussion, and argument are the progenitors of change. We would not be where we are today without philosophy. It is the beginning, and end of the sciences. Political, and social sciences included.
I don't understand how Kaz can draw the inference that one day our political system, or debates, or whatever the hell point he's trying to make in analogous to Middle Age philisophical debates. He an Clarke are both misguided. Just because something turns out to be incorrect, or ends up being discarded after a while does not invalidate it. Our current political climate is THE single most important thing to our growth towards a better system.
It's only boring to people with short attention spans who can't pay attention to something long enough to protect their own rights. If we give up on this the powers that be (taking away our rights) gain a little ground. We can't give in an inch, or let even the smallest precedent be set.
This stuff is important, and it always will be. It's amazing to me that there is so much apathy about important issues when they are first brought up, while there is still time to fight. And so much outrage once it's too late. For example, UCITA. It was hard to get more than a hand full of people worked up over this ridiculous bill before it was passed, and now that it's legal I'm seeing more and more people shocked at what it does.
It's as if people expect the government to protect all of their rights automatically. Wake up people you have to fight every step of the way. Even a on a smaller issue such as CueCat.
If that's what you took out of the book, I think you need to read it again. The reason behind the early hackers activities was exploration and learning. Code was the beginning and the ultimate outlet for exploration. Case closed.
Besides:
1. Mitnick was and is nothing, the only reason he gained noteriety was because of the way his rights were vioolated.
2. Slashdot did not redefine the word, the media did. With all due respect to Slashdot, they haven't been around nearly long enough to have been a part of early hacker culture (although they are making their place now).
Amazing...to think that expressing my opinion is flame bait. I guess if you don't join in with the bleeding hearts you're just asking for flames.
Uhhh check your info. Blanketting skinheads with the term rascist is a fallacy. The skinhead movement has nothing to do with racism. The nazi's and white supremecists may have adopted skinhead style, but that doesn't make true skinheads rascist. Do a little more research apart from watching the apathetic news media and ill-written movies.
Uhhh...I hate this argument...everywhere is a nation of immigrants, excepting possibly one place where possibly life on earth originated. Just because the colonization of the US is more recent does not make it any more of an immigration founded country than anywhere else.
As much as I feel that we are heading to a society that resembles Mark's prediction. I've always felt that there will be a breaking point where people just won't stand for it anymore. The general apathy towards UCITA, DMCA, and the fiasco with Napster (at least outside of geek circles) can only continue for so long. Eventually disgust with the system will hit a threshhold and a large enough group of people will fight back. I'm not sure that working in the system is the way things like this will change. My prediction is that rampant civil disobediance will be the force for change. I'm sure there are others out there, like me, that will choose to ignore laws that take away our rights. The powers that be cannot win, when the numbers that are resisting are too huge to punish. Of course this all hinges on normal people feeling that their rights are being severely violated and realizing that there is something that they can do about it.
A user interface is a requirement for an operating system. A GUI is not. The author is wrong. It's evident from his analogy to a car which leaves out some essential bits of car-ness; most notably a user interface, i.e. some method of controlling the car. With the addition of a controlling mechanism, what he's described is a car. Everything else is just bells and whistles.
The value of bells and whistles is a completely subjective thing. What you like, and what makes you productive may not work for me. So it seems to me that any OS that's forced to use a certain UI is inherently not well designed.
So considering all of the above I would have to say the BEST OS would be one that let's you install any UI you want from a customized shell to a full blown GUI...hmmm sounds a lot like linux. So that's it linux is a better operating system based on the UI criteria set forth by the author.
BTW semantics,....spell it with me s-e-m-a-n-t-i-c-s.
No matter what activity you come up with there was/is most likely some culture who did not believe that the activity was wrong.
It just that we ,as a culture, in our arrogance, like to think that we are the only morally correct people who ever lived and that what we believe is what everyone should believe.
>kiddie porn or murder. Now both of these acts >are in and of themselves Not true, there is no such thing as an act that is inherently bad. It's all a matter of cultural perspective. Which is why this whole Sealand thing works. They can do whatever they want when they're in a place where they determine the law, values, and norms of that culture.
Oh for christ's sake. Undegreed kids, formal knowledge. That's ridiculous, there are so many things wrong with your post that I'll just have to focus on one:
A degree has nothing to do with someone's ability to program. Nothing in college prepares you for working in the outside world. Your whining about 'undegreed kids' getting jobs is pure elitism. Now as far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with elitism as long as it's based on acheivement and ability. Not on money, which is at the root of your complaint. You're upset because these kids have circumvented the system by not paying ridiculous amounts of money to a bullshit institution that trains them in no way for real life.
Home computers have provided people with the ability to learn a trade, and be damn good at it, from the comfort of their own homes. All for the price of a computer. Hell, as prevalent as the internet is today it's no longer necessary to lay out money for books to learn to program, it's all out there for free.
I think you were born after your time. You sound like you'd be happier programming in your suit and tie at IBM in the 50's, among all the other batch trained automatons.
Actually we as a country all sacrifice liberty for security. Do you have locks on your doors. Passwords into your computers? I thought so. Any company is going to use the most secure option available. That's just a fact of living in a capitalistic country. BTW throwing quotes around like that defintitely makes me question the validity of you being in Guiness. And another thing, Fermant's last theorem HAS been proven.
I agree. It can also be a problem when a girl, knows nothing about computers and has an hour long argument with you about why everyone hates Bill Gates because he is a rich computer genius. Uuugh I still get angry about it.