I'm not saying they should get rid of that option.
They just seriously need to redesign their website and present the information in a much better way for the typical user. If they want to provide more detailed informative further into the site then do that. Don't slap it all on the front page and call it done.
Thankfully someone already linked me to the linux mint edition. Much more helpful then your retarded post which just shows your own ignorance at well presented content.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but it's hard to take any post seriously when one of the complaints ends with "lol wut". That just makes you sound like a smarmy, sarcastic teen more interested on criticizing than providing meaningful feedback.
You're not getting old you're just a hypocrite. You could have taken my comments about how poorly presented the Debian site is and ran with them. Instead you insult my intelligence and are more interested in criticising than providing meaningful feedback.
Very interesting! However if I use this Linux Mint Debian Edition am I really using Debian?
For example, do they fork their code like Ubuntu does? If I report bugs in this will Debian accept them? If the answer is no then what is the point in switching from one Debian derivative to another.
I wanted to try debian but it's simply not as accessible as Ubuntu is.
When you go to Ubuntu.com you click the "Download Ubuntu" button and then hit "start download". Done and easy.
When you go to debian.org you're greeted with information overload. Lots of completely useless information and I had to figure out that you need to go to "getting debian" link in the menu. After you're there I'm still mystified as to what I'm suppose to download. Testing? Release? No recommendation as to what to use.
You click on the stable release and i386 and it shows you a list of 31 CDs.. lol wut? I'm suppose to download them all or what?
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click the "latest stable release of Debian" link -> intel 86 link -> ???
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "available versions of Debian" link ->... wait a sec that's the same as above!!
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "getting a copy" -> oh great it's that getting debian page again..
Has anyone given it a good testing? I've noticed a horrible trend that Canonical tends to rush their releases these days, especially today. Trying to hit the 10/10/10 deadline makes me wonder what they've left broken to meet their target date.
The alerts seem to be going up. I have 6 now so I guess I was wrong and they go up with usage or something.
They're using RTMP (Not RTMPS) for streaming the content and JWplayer. Their site kinda sucks to be honest, a lot of it is unsecured (security by obscurity) and I'm pretty sure you could look at this content without a need to login first if someone gave you the details to do so.
The prize of 1000 pounds is for only one person a month, so if you report 10 crimes and someone else reports 11, sucks to be you.
All the cameras I have see are from private shop which leads me to suspect that this is an opt in thing separate from the government CCTV cameras in the streets.
I don't think you can ever make money off this. The only reason I paid was to try it out for myself and see what they were doing. Already unsubscribed the recurred billing.
First you need to have alerted correctly more times then anyone else. Second you only get 5 alerts a month. A combination of this means you'll never get any real money.
It's only 2 pounds a month so I tried it out. Here's the slashdot review summary..
- You have the choice between 1 camera, 2x1 camera and 1x2 cameras. - You don't get to choose which camera however you can click to choose another random camera. - You get to click to watch for another 5 minutes on the same camera - If you don't click you will switch to a different camera automatically - You get 5 alerts a month. - There is some kind of buffering going on here however the video footage seems to be very close to live. The camera has a clock in it which matched my desktop to the minute. - You don't have to be in England to use it. I'm currently half way around the world so it takes a long time for video to show up
When you were in grade school you had teachers that at least knew some of what they were talking about, you had the ability to read your own language and your class all had the same teaching material. Why don't we start with just raising the basics first?
The schools OLPC is trying to distribute to have to get donations for paper, pens and books. These are not the kind of schools you went to as a kid that have a ton of computers lying around.
Also haven't you considered for a moment the skills needed to install linux on old hardware? Most of these schools don't even have teachers that speak english, let alone any basic computer usage.
Forgetting for a moment that there are no old computers lying around, the power bills a school would have to pay for old hardware compared to a very low power specifically built device is enormous. So no, there are not an infinite number of used computers out there, perhaps in your country but not in rural Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, etc.
You are missing the point of this project with your Linux and Microsoft speech. It's about using technology to raise the standards of education in countries which don't even have competent teachers.
The OLPC gives a child in a rural area an opportunity to have a better education then otherwise.
I live in Thailand where news came out recently that 80% of teachers failed their own subjects they were teaching. Books get donated to rural schools however because all the books are donated they aren't the same so it makes teaching a class incredibly difficult. Knowing English here significantly increases your chances of getting a better job or education however there are no good english teachers in villages because no one wants to live and work in bumsville, center of nowhere or in the south where there is a chance you'll get shot.
An OLPC project here would do great things: - You could load it with PDFs so that the whole class could be using the same materials - You could load it with English lesson audio so that children learn how to pronounce words correctly even if their teacher doesn't know english.
There are lots more examples however just these two things would be a huge increase in education for this country.
How can you teach kids to use man when they don't even know how to read english let alone their own language? You seem to be completely missing the point of the OLPC project. It's not to make a ton of unix hackers, its to better the education of children is rural schools that receive little funding for books, paper and quality teachers.
Just dumping computers on poor schools isn't what the OLPC project is about.
Any charity that has gone in and just dumped a bunch of aid on a country (not in a disaster of course) has always been a failure, especially food aid. I watched a good ted talk from a women trying to get a village to help themselves out of poverty. Some douche bags ruined all her hard work by coming in dumping a bunch of food and then leaving. Suddenly everyone there stopped working on the farms and tada the cycle repeats itself.
You might think it's great to donate this style however it only satisfies your own selfish desire to do something quick about a situation and doesn't help anyone actually get out of the situation they're in. It's the reason africa still has problems even after the millions and millions spent over there on aid.
A more specific reason why just dumping an OS and office suite wouldn't work for OLPC is because:
1) The people they're giving computers to have in most cases never used a computer before. These are places with running water and electricity but no books or paper to write with in their schools. 2) An OS and office suite isn't a computer. Why would a government pay for lots of OS and Office installations for computers that don't exist? 3) Software isn't the difficult issue with OLPC. Hardware cost, distribution and education are way above anything related to software.
Why am I trolling? Oh yes, it's very complicated however it's still spread via basic flaws with windows, hence why it is yet another windows virus. For example, why does a windows machine require security certificates for a music player? Why is this thing connected to the internet if it's so vital?
You also seem to be operating under the assumption that this thing was put together recently. It could have been silently operating for years, hence its complexity and size.
Obscure hardware? Not really since it has according to the article infected over 20,000 machines.
I'm sure there are lots of people who have access to such things and as always it comes down to money. Shut it down remotely, blackmail for payment, rinse and repeat. You don't need to invent a government conspiracy for that and anyone who has worked for any government knows they couldn't organise a birthday party without screwing it up.
I just want to add something on to my original post but I'll reply to your posting instead..
The US government is having trouble filling it's security expert positions. It's IT czar is a position no one really wanted. It's US army screwed its own root DNS server for 18 hours.
Does that really sound like the kind of government or the kind of country that could pull this kind of thing off?
I'm not trying to make this sound like a US sucks posting just simply highlighting the fact that is the past decade the US government and it's agencies have tended to be horrible at anything related to IT security.
No, what I reacting to was the part that said "everybody who uses Ubuntu is happy".
Strawman argument because I never said everyone was happy with Ubuntu and you're still not even understanding what I was saying with regards to the context of what the parent before me was talking about.
I'm considering leaving. And yes, I mean everything I said because both the post you replied to and mine are all like "How DARE you say it's not good?! You whiner!" I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble.
Dude, you seem to have a reading comprehension failure somewhere. You don't seem to be able to understand basic English.
Here are some basic points I've already made tons of times:
- The parent I originally replied to was making a point that popularity == success. I replied that it's not and daily users of Ubuntu are happy and Canonical is happy which I consider a success in itself. You don't need to be on a billion desktops to be a success. - I agreed with you, you don't like Ubuntu, you're leaving. Fine, it's not working out for you; leave and be happy with windows or another OS. Your using another OS has zero effect on me or anyone else since you weren't contributing anything anyway. What you use is up to you. - I only called you a whiner because you're replying off topic about something irrelevant to my point and the parent before me. You are going on and on about hardware problems that only you're having and trying to make the point that because of that people are leaving Ubuntu. - You claim you gave proof, you showed a two month drop is web statistics for people who have "linux" in their browser's user agent and somehow you claim that as proof people are leaving Ubuntu. I've already explained why this isn't proof however on second look even your interpretation of these statistics is wrong. From looking at the statistics you've provided the "linux" user agent remains hovering around 1% +-0.3%. You can confirm this by looking at how it has risen and dropped in the past. - Even if we go under the crazy theory that you're correct and that people are leaving Ubuntu it has nothing to do with my original point. - you keep trying to make a point about popularity when my original post was that popularity isn't the only measure of success; that most people are happy with their desktop; that Canonical is happy and the only people that aren't don't use Ubuntu anyway. - The only one getting personal is you. You're the one calling me a "fucking retard". You keep trying to make yourself look like a victim, like i'm trying to tell you to "shut up and like it". Throughout my communication with you i've always said the same thing. If you don't like it, don't use it. Why you've continued this charade is beyond me and the only thing I can think of is because your pride is hurt.
However, the Busheher facility is operated by Russia and as a result, the US State Department has admitted it sees no proliferation risk from the plant.
Admittedly I didn't know much about Stuxnet until after reading more about it and it seems to me just yet another windows virus that hasn't until now been discovered and mistakenly spread via contractors laptops.
There's a lot of hype over this nuclear reactor however the fact of the matter is that it was only one of many infected areas and the rest of it is simply speculation about what damage could have been done there, what someone planned to spy on, etc. Seems to me that this worm wasn't designed for a specific target and is like any other virus.. well that or this is how Skynet starts becoming self-aware and begins manufacturing terminators..
I mean think about when was the last time the US government could do dick with computers? The US government was broken into by some retard in the UK using default passwords. How can people seriously believe the US government could come out with something like this. With all the media about the aurora virus i'd suspect the Chinese behind something like this way before America.
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I'm not saying they should get rid of that option.
They just seriously need to redesign their website and present the information in a much better way for the typical user. If they want to provide more detailed informative further into the site then do that. Don't slap it all on the front page and call it done.
Thankfully someone already linked me to the linux mint edition. Much more helpful then your retarded post which just shows your own ignorance at well presented content.
You're not getting old you're just a hypocrite. You could have taken my comments about how poorly presented the Debian site is and ran with them. Instead you insult my intelligence and are more interested in criticising than providing meaningful feedback.
Very interesting! However if I use this Linux Mint Debian Edition am I really using Debian?
For example, do they fork their code like Ubuntu does? If I report bugs in this will Debian accept them? If the answer is no then what is the point in switching from one Debian derivative to another.
I wanted to try debian but it's simply not as accessible as Ubuntu is.
When you go to Ubuntu.com you click the "Download Ubuntu" button and then hit "start download". Done and easy.
When you go to debian.org you're greeted with information overload. Lots of completely useless information and I had to figure out that you need to go to "getting debian" link in the menu. After you're there I'm still mystified as to what I'm suppose to download. Testing? Release? No recommendation as to what to use.
You click on the stable release and i386 and it shows you a list of 31 CDs.. lol wut? I'm suppose to download them all or what?
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click the "latest stable release of Debian" link -> intel 86 link -> ???
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "available versions of Debian" link -> ... wait a sec that's the same as above!!
Ok lets try again. debian.org -> click "getting a copy" -> oh great it's that getting debian page again..
I give up!!
Has anyone given it a good testing? I've noticed a horrible trend that Canonical tends to rush their releases these days, especially today. Trying to hit the 10/10/10 deadline makes me wonder what they've left broken to meet their target date.
You seem to misunderstand my point..
Android already has lots of 3D games. These guys are reinventing the wheel and trying the make their own game related android system.
Well, I live in Thailand and the reason for the poor education here is simply because there is no money for it. Same for Cambodia, Laos, etc.
It's also the reason that Thailand dropped out of the OLPC project in the first place, lack of funding.
Just because one country is having problems doesn't mean you can condemn all countries as being equally bad with the same problems.
Also your story is irrelevant to OLPC because with OLPC the government funds the laptops, they're not gifts so in that instance it wouldn't be theft.
Some extra details since I posted.
The alerts seem to be going up. I have 6 now so I guess I was wrong and they go up with usage or something.
They're using RTMP (Not RTMPS) for streaming the content and JWplayer. Their site kinda sucks to be honest, a lot of it is unsecured (security by obscurity) and I'm pretty sure you could look at this content without a need to login first if someone gave you the details to do so.
The prize of 1000 pounds is for only one person a month, so if you report 10 crimes and someone else reports 11, sucks to be you.
Yes, exactly.
All the cameras I have see are from private shop which leads me to suspect that this is an opt in thing separate from the government CCTV cameras in the streets.
I don't think you can ever make money off this. The only reason I paid was to try it out for myself and see what they were doing. Already unsubscribed the recurred billing.
First you need to have alerted correctly more times then anyone else. Second you only get 5 alerts a month. A combination of this means you'll never get any real money.
It's only 2 pounds a month so I tried it out. Here's the slashdot review summary..
- You have the choice between 1 camera, 2x1 camera and 1x2 cameras.
- You don't get to choose which camera however you can click to choose another random camera.
- You get to click to watch for another 5 minutes on the same camera
- If you don't click you will switch to a different camera automatically
- You get 5 alerts a month.
- There is some kind of buffering going on here however the video footage seems to be very close to live. The camera has a clock in it which matched my desktop to the minute.
- You don't have to be in England to use it. I'm currently half way around the world so it takes a long time for video to show up
Yes, lets keep NAT so that some coders can keep their jobs. Lets also break windows to keep the window glaziers employeed.. oh wait, woops
IPv6 is has much more features then simply a larger address space. I suggest you read up on it as your post screams "uninformed".
Also NAT has nothing to do with switching the whole internet to IPv6. If you want to still run NAT at home no one is going to stop you.
Exactly, it'd make more sense to make this thing simply run android OS.
When you were in grade school you had teachers that at least knew some of what they were talking about, you had the ability to read your own language and your class all had the same teaching material. Why don't we start with just raising the basics first?
The schools OLPC is trying to distribute to have to get donations for paper, pens and books. These are not the kind of schools you went to as a kid that have a ton of computers lying around.
Also haven't you considered for a moment the skills needed to install linux on old hardware? Most of these schools don't even have teachers that speak english, let alone any basic computer usage.
Forgetting for a moment that there are no old computers lying around, the power bills a school would have to pay for old hardware compared to a very low power specifically built device is enormous. So no, there are not an infinite number of used computers out there, perhaps in your country but not in rural Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, etc.
You are missing the point of this project with your Linux and Microsoft speech. It's about using technology to raise the standards of education in countries which don't even have competent teachers.
The OLPC gives a child in a rural area an opportunity to have a better education then otherwise.
I live in Thailand where news came out recently that 80% of teachers failed their own subjects they were teaching. Books get donated to rural schools however because all the books are donated they aren't the same so it makes teaching a class incredibly difficult. Knowing English here significantly increases your chances of getting a better job or education however there are no good english teachers in villages because no one wants to live and work in bumsville, center of nowhere or in the south where there is a chance you'll get shot.
An OLPC project here would do great things:
- You could load it with PDFs so that the whole class could be using the same materials
- You could load it with English lesson audio so that children learn how to pronounce words correctly even if their teacher doesn't know english.
There are lots more examples however just these two things would be a huge increase in education for this country.
How can you teach kids to use man when they don't even know how to read english let alone their own language? You seem to be completely missing the point of the OLPC project. It's not to make a ton of unix hackers, its to better the education of children is rural schools that receive little funding for books, paper and quality teachers.
The OS is the tool. Nothing else.
Just dumping computers on poor schools isn't what the OLPC project is about.
Any charity that has gone in and just dumped a bunch of aid on a country (not in a disaster of course) has always been a failure, especially food aid. I watched a good ted talk from a women trying to get a village to help themselves out of poverty. Some douche bags ruined all her hard work by coming in dumping a bunch of food and then leaving. Suddenly everyone there stopped working on the farms and tada the cycle repeats itself.
You might think it's great to donate this style however it only satisfies your own selfish desire to do something quick about a situation and doesn't help anyone actually get out of the situation they're in. It's the reason africa still has problems even after the millions and millions spent over there on aid.
A more specific reason why just dumping an OS and office suite wouldn't work for OLPC is because:
1) The people they're giving computers to have in most cases never used a computer before. These are places with running water and electricity but no books or paper to write with in their schools.
2) An OS and office suite isn't a computer. Why would a government pay for lots of OS and Office installations for computers that don't exist?
3) Software isn't the difficult issue with OLPC. Hardware cost, distribution and education are way above anything related to software.
Why am I trolling? Oh yes, it's very complicated however it's still spread via basic flaws with windows, hence why it is yet another windows virus. For example, why does a windows machine require security certificates for a music player? Why is this thing connected to the internet if it's so vital?
You also seem to be operating under the assumption that this thing was put together recently. It could have been silently operating for years, hence its complexity and size.
Obscure hardware? Not really since it has according to the article infected over 20,000 machines.
I'm sure there are lots of people who have access to such things and as always it comes down to money. Shut it down remotely, blackmail for payment, rinse and repeat. You don't need to invent a government conspiracy for that and anyone who has worked for any government knows they couldn't organise a birthday party without screwing it up.
My point is that the US government has neither.
I just want to add something on to my original post but I'll reply to your posting instead..
The US government is having trouble filling it's security expert positions. It's IT czar is a position no one really wanted. It's US army screwed its own root DNS server for 18 hours.
Does that really sound like the kind of government or the kind of country that could pull this kind of thing off?
I'm not trying to make this sound like a US sucks posting just simply highlighting the fact that is the past decade the US government and it's agencies have tended to be horrible at anything related to IT security.
Strawman argument because I never said everyone was happy with Ubuntu and you're still not even understanding what I was saying with regards to the context of what the parent before me was talking about.
Dude, you seem to have a reading comprehension failure somewhere. You don't seem to be able to understand basic English.
Here are some basic points I've already made tons of times:
- The parent I originally replied to was making a point that popularity == success. I replied that it's not and daily users of Ubuntu are happy and Canonical is happy which I consider a success in itself. You don't need to be on a billion desktops to be a success.
- I agreed with you, you don't like Ubuntu, you're leaving. Fine, it's not working out for you; leave and be happy with windows or another OS. Your using another OS has zero effect on me or anyone else since you weren't contributing anything anyway. What you use is up to you.
- I only called you a whiner because you're replying off topic about something irrelevant to my point and the parent before me. You are going on and on about hardware problems that only you're having and trying to make the point that because of that people are leaving Ubuntu.
- You claim you gave proof, you showed a two month drop is web statistics for people who have "linux" in their browser's user agent and somehow you claim that as proof people are leaving Ubuntu. I've already explained why this isn't proof however on second look even your interpretation of these statistics is wrong. From looking at the statistics you've provided the "linux" user agent remains hovering around 1% +-0.3%. You can confirm this by looking at how it has risen and dropped in the past.
- Even if we go under the crazy theory that you're correct and that people are leaving Ubuntu it has nothing to do with my original point.
- you keep trying to make a point about popularity when my original post was that popularity isn't the only measure of success; that most people are happy with their desktop; that Canonical is happy and the only people that aren't don't use Ubuntu anyway.
- The only one getting personal is you. You're the one calling me a "fucking retard". You keep trying to make yourself look like a victim, like i'm trying to tell you to "shut up and like it". Throughout my communication with you i've always said the same thing. If you don't like it, don't use it. Why you've continued this charade is beyond me and the only thing I can think of is because your pride is hurt.
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Admittedly I didn't know much about Stuxnet until after reading more about it and it seems to me just yet another windows virus that hasn't until now been discovered and mistakenly spread via contractors laptops.
There's a lot of hype over this nuclear reactor however the fact of the matter is that it was only one of many infected areas and the rest of it is simply speculation about what damage could have been done there, what someone planned to spy on, etc. Seems to me that this worm wasn't designed for a specific target and is like any other virus.. well that or this is how Skynet starts becoming self-aware and begins manufacturing terminators..
I mean think about when was the last time the US government could do dick with computers? The US government was broken into by some retard in the UK using default passwords. How can people seriously believe the US government could come out with something like this. With all the media about the aurora virus i'd suspect the Chinese behind something like this way before America.
Right at the beginning of the thread you fricken moron.