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Ubuntu 10.10 Release Candidate Launched

tuXx writes "On Thursday, Canonical rolled out the official release candidate of its upcoming Ubuntu OS version 10.10, codenamed Maverick Meerkat. The release announcement has a feature list, and a review of the RC is up at ITWorld. It's available for download at the Ubuntu wiki site. If all goes well, the stable release is planned for Oct. 10th."

172 comments

  1. 10.10 by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

    On 10/10/10!

    Whoo!

    1. Re:10.10 by arndawg · · Score: 5, Funny

      On 10/10/10!

      Whoo!

      Fixed that for you. Stupid americants putting the month first.

    2. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      1286668800 fixed that for you.

    3. Re:10.10 by arndawg · · Score: 1

      I plan to live much longer than 2038 thank you very much. But hey, to each his own. Might be that the basement isn't that worthwhile :P i keed. :

    4. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Funny

      So compile t_time as a 64 bit signed int.
      293 billion years should be enough for everyone.

    5. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 5, Funny

      FAIL on me, I meant time_t.

      t_time is when you have biscuits.

    6. Re:10.10 by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Why do you have it Year, Day, Month?

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    7. Re:10.10 by Jorkapp · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's also the time you start wearing a gold chain, grow a mohawk, and start pitying fools.

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    8. Re:10.10 by nebaz · · Score: 2, Funny

      10/10/10? Isn't that the date of Jesus's barmitzvah?

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    9. Re:10.10 by mangu · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Why do you have it Year, Day, Month?

      We write numbers from the most significant part to the least significant. Following the same reasoning, dates and times should be written year, month, day, hour, minute, second.

      Therefore, it's demonstrated that 10/10/10 is the only logical way to write 10/10/10.

    10. Re:10.10 by FoolishOwl · · Score: 1

      It's a good thing you'll be alive longer than 2038, because we'll need all the help we can get fixing that problem.

    11. Re:10.10 by geminidomino · · Score: 3, Funny

      And it got you modded Flamebait.

      Someone around here is apparently REALLY sensitive about their #defines...

    12. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      So telling someone how to compile stuff is flamebait?

      Must have been a gentoo user they are quite sensitive about such things.

    13. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Sorry about stealing your joke. I did not see it until after I made mine.

      I believe I pissed off a Mod. It happens, I have enough karma to not worry about it.

    14. Re:10.10 by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Log in and try that.

    15. Re:10.10 by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      Uh, 4 digit years please! I can't tell which century you're talking about.

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    16. Re:10.10 by ismism · · Score: 0

      We don't just put the month first...we put OURSELVES first!

    17. Re:10.10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      time_t is a typedef, not a #define. Do you still live in the 1980ies?

    18. Re:10.10 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Come on. We both know it was a girl, back in Bethlehem.

    19. Re:10.10 by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      I will only be 72. You can count me in.

    20. Re:10.10 by JonJ · · Score: 1

      Yes, I frequently get confused about what year it is, so that's clearly the more significant number.

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    21. Re:10.10 by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      You're the one who modded him down, aren't you?

    22. Re:10.10 by egibster · · Score: 1

      On 10/10/10!

      Whoo!

      I installed it and everything worked. I had it duel booted then the boot record disappeared. It was strange.

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    23. Re:10.10 by egibster · · Score: 1

      I'm using 8 bit atari t_time... but thanks.

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    24. Re:10.10 by Clived · · Score: 1

      Looks like they finally gave us the nVidia drivers ..:P

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    25. Re:10.10 by gottabeme · · Score: 1

      Or he could start wearing a mohawk, grow a gold chain, and start pitying fools.

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  2. Ubuntu advertisement? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Why is this story marked brown while every other are the regular gray?

    1. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't quick enough...Ubuntu is orange and purple. Orange for a year...purple for six months. Throw in a reference to the ZUNE while your at it. BTW the dark theme in brown is a must for people who use their computer, and don't like looking at a lightbulb. That said I miss the incredibly well done wallpaper for the ibex release http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/a-look-back-at-every-ubuntu-default-wallpaper/

    2. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by underqualified · · Score: 1

      because you're billy gates and this is your idea of "rubbing it in".

    3. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by AHuxley · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      It looks green to me. (I'm using the classic index.)

      Soooo..... should I upgrade to 10.1 or stay with the three-year "long term support" of 10.0?

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    5. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      If you don't want to be using 2.5 year old versions of applications in two years, I would recommend not missing a version.

      They may get LTS to LTS upgrades working, but now it is either upgrade with version numbers or reinstall periodically.

      I would probably wait until November to upgrade though.

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    6. Re:Ubuntu advertisement? by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      thank u

      It just occurred to me that since my laptop is old (~1700 MHz), I should probably just sell it on ebay for cash
      .

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  3. A link... by Idbar · · Score: 4, Informative

    to the article in a single page here

    1. Re:A link... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny... AHAHA I don't get humor anymore.

      (Sorry, HUMOUR, for all those idiots that write the date wrong)

  4. Server management by rantomaniac · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does this version clean up the mess that is their init system? Some init scripts were sysv, some were upstart-native in 10.04, and there was no commandline utility that made sense of it all.
    I ran into that problem in the *server edition*, what is more central to a server installation than managing services?

    1. Re:Server management by dshk · · Score: 1

      As I remember sudo service xyz start/stop/etc. works for all type services. But I agree, compared to Windows, at least installing a Java app to run as a dameon is still a mess. Every project use a different script. This is the worst part of Linux. Hopefully Upstart or the other new alternative (Redhat?) will bring more consistency.

    2. Re:Server management by jkxx · · Score: 1

      Don't know about the init scripts but Gnome is and was (in 10.04) messed up. Can't change default app settings, can't make the compositor work properly. Pulse audio is a mess for anyone that cares about audio quality and I've had a hell of a time just trying to preserve my settings in either KDE or Gnome - both are more unstable than the older BSD versions I have. With those kinds of problems they don't have a good desktop offering. The Gnome issues have been there since 10.04 at least too so it seems no one cares enough to fix them.

    3. Re:Server management by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I suppose you filed bugs that are a little more specific than what you wrote here.

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    4. Re:Server management by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Ubuntu versions are essentially abandoned even before they're released. "LTS" just means "Long Term Shagged" - anyone who does support legacy versions isn't going to be the smartest monkey in the barrel. From experience, it's a waste of time to file bugs against anything except early betas of the next version.

      By the way, I love Ubuntu, and think it's by far the best distro for "human beings", but we should be honest about it.

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    5. Re:Server management by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      Seriously. Even difficult and old bugs do often get solved eventually. And in particular in cases as serious as it sounded in the parent post ("Can't change default app settings, can't make the compositor work properly"), there is absolutely no reason to suggest that Ubuntu would not fix them. Unless, of course, they affect only a tiny subset of machines, without any useful bug descriptions - which is why I asked the parent post about his reports.

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    6. Re:Server management by Larryish · · Score: 1

      Yep.

      And every version since 8.10 has problems with onboard Intel cards.

      I try the new releases when they make it to .xx.1 and without fail there are video problems and also without fail some dork either denies that there is a problem, or tells me that the solution is to buy new hardware.

      So I still run 8.04 on client boxes. Wouldn't dream of running Ubuntu on a server, that is what Debian is for.

    7. Re:Server management by mutube · · Score: 4, Funny

      What is more central to a server installation than managing services?

      A beard?

    8. Re:Server management by multiplexo · · Score: 1

      Probably not. Upstart is a fucking disaster, and the way it was rolled out, with some services being converted to upstart scripts and others still retaining the traditional /etc/init.d/ scripts made it even worse. I'd be more impressed with Ubuntu if they'd stop fucking with their desktop, which is still a fugly, barely functional piece of shit compared to Windows 7 and MacOS and fix things like the broken software RAID configuration on Lucid installs, or upgrading rsyslog to a newer version than 4.2. or including an openssh-lpk package, or rolling back OpenLDAP package so that it installs a directory tree that's useful for centralized authentication, as it used to in Jaunty, rather than just installing the base packages and then telling you to roll your own DIT. You know, things that are actually useful for a server OS. Of course every implementation of Linux on the desktop sucks compared to MacOS or Windows 7. "Ooooohhh, look, you can switch between desktops with a rotating cube animation. Wow, how cool, hey, does cut and paste work reliably between gvim and the terminal program or do you have to reconfigure the terminal in order to get it work properly? Do the graphics drivers work properly? Or do you end up with chunks of windows being left behind when you move them? Want to create a Linux desktop that will actually have a chance against Windows 7 or MacOS? Then forget about abortions like Gnome or KDE and instead just steal the desktop for MacOS and change it enough so that Steve Jobs can't sue you. It's worked wonders for Microsoft, and even though Windows 7 is an ugly hack with too much stupid eye-candy it's still far more functional than anything Ubuntu has produced.

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  5. Ubuntu One subscription included by Meshach · · Score: 0

    This feature has stirred up lots of debate. With the uncertainty of XMarks they may be trying to capitalize on the panic.

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    1. Re:Ubuntu One subscription included by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      That has been going on since 2009, are you trying to just drive traffic to that site?

    2. Re:Ubuntu One subscription included by Astronomerguy · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Disclosure: My wife's laptop, my work laptop and my primary desktop are all dual-boot Windows 7 and Ubuntu. I prefer Ubuntu for everyday most-things computing. I'm a PC Gamer, hence Windows 7, my PS3 be damned (Darn $ony to heck for removing my beloved OtherOS). Windows 7 is also pretty darned good and mature too, particularly if you know how to configure it. Personally, I prefer Server 2008 configured as a desktop OS as my Windows machine, but cost etc etc. Anywhoo, if you get a Hotmail/Windows live account, you get 25Gb free online storage for free. Just sayin'. It needs to be tweaked by M$ for easily uploading directories for those non-savvy users who haven't figured out 7Zip yet, but still, it's 25 free Gb's. My browser favourites, photos, documents are all encrypted and sent up there just in case the domicile burns to the ground. Micro$oft may be the Evil Empire, but fuck, 25Gb free that's relatively secure if you encrypt it...just sayin'...

  6. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by headkase · · Score: 1

    Funny, I didn't realize I was included in your "us." Cry a river and go submit a Fedora story. If it makes it through the gauntlet like this story has then good, otherwise stop crying over sour grapes.

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  7. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by AnonymousClown · · Score: 0, Troll
    That's because we Fedora users don't need no steenkeen Slashdot announcement. But for everyone else, it does get announced on Slashdot.

    Fedora: One release a year. Ubuntu: Releases every six months or so; hence why the extra press.

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  8. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I'm an Ubuntu fanboy myself, and I find it irritating that test releases make the news on slashdot. Then it just becomes a "ubuntu sux!" flame-athon, since folks are still finding bugs.

    But it is understandable that slashdot reports as it does. Ubuntu is "in". It is the most interesting and latest linux distro out there. Redhat/fedora had years to make a name for themselves, and they did, but now what? Is Redhat doing anything cool? If they are, be sure that Ubuntu will steal it (ie. just get it through importing gnome). And all the cool stuff that Shuttleworth is doing (that some love to hate) is only in Ubuntu. Love it or hate it, it is interesting and not in Redhat. Basically, everything cool in FOSS is either in Ubuntu only, or in Ubuntu also. And most people don't care about the actual differences between each distro. So if you want to talk about FOSS, might as well be with Ubuntu.

    I think most other sites are going to be reporting on Ubuntu, and slashdot is just trying to stay ahead of the curve by reporting the release before everyone else.

  9. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Is Redhat doing anything cool?

    Redhat is like having a wife of decades. You imagine what it would be like to have the young hot thing, then you realize that you prefer your partner of many years. You know her well but you still learn new things, She changes a little every year but not so much as to be a shock. She's comfortable. You remember when she was a young thing called Red Hat - yeah, red head baby! She was the IT girl and you had her. But as you get more mature and tired, you want something tried and true. You know she's reliable and she'll be there for you. The young chicky, though exiting and doing all the new and unpredictable things, just adds too much excitement to your life. I know, regardless of what happens, my darling Fedora will be there and perform.

  10. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

    You used RHEL 5 recently?

    That old bitch needs to go. Some of us would like to use iotop, even if there are alternatives and many other new features that RHEL 5 is too out of date to have.

    RHEL 6 should solve this.

  11. Quiet ... too quiet by Nerdfest · · Score: 0, Troll

    There doesn't seem to be much of a response to this article, which is unusual. There must be ... dozens of us using Ubuntu at this point. More seriously, how many try out the RCs? I generally jump on them if they have new major features, or fixes for any remaining problems I have with my machines. I only have one insignificant problem left on all of my machines and 10.10 doesn't have the upstream fix yet ,... so I'm waiting to the gold release.

    1. Re:Quiet ... too quiet by headkase · · Score: 1

      I installed it yesterday. It works fine. No griping = no problems. The only issue I had was I had to reinstall the package containing the key for "ubuntu-extras-addons" as the installer did not do that correctly. On launchpad I found the solution and it has already been fixed for when the release is official. So, good stable release - for me at least - and no big show-stoppers to gossip about yet!

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    2. Re:Quiet ... too quiet by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      A new Ubuntu version is released every 6 months. Pre-releases are even more common, obviously. Pretty much everything that could be said about Ubuntu in general, and new stuff in this release in particular, has already been said on /. and elsewhere countless times already. Why do you expect many comments?

  12. pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pulse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break. There is a third-party PPA to fix it, but that is a pain.

    I'm also not happy about the integration of a system to purchase proprietary software. Proprietary vendors have no respect for me or my property, and I don't want them having root-level access on my machine. For all I know, the proprietary vendor could start installing rootkits or hidden device drivers, similar to the way many modern Windows games work.

    Also, put the buttons back on the right!

    These are all reasons I switched to Debian.

  13. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by mangu · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, your eulogy will be written like this: "People - Billy Gates died last night"

    No one will be complaining that People != Billy Gates.

  14. Is full screen flash fixed by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    It's been all over the forums for months that they broke it in 10. Lots of 'fixes' and lots more people who the fixes don't work for. It's kept me on 9 the whole time.

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    1. Re:Is full screen flash fixed by h4rr4r · · Score: 4, Informative

      Works for me in 10.04 and 10.10.

      10.04 is a gma 4500 HD or XD which ever is the desktop one. 10.10 is with a 7600 GTS.

    2. Re:Is full screen flash fixed by skyride · · Score: 1

      Yup, my laptop running 10.04 with an Nvidia GeForce 8400M has no issues what so ever with fullscreen flash.

    3. Re:Is full screen flash fixed by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      that's a video driver problem, not an Unbuntu one

  15. 101010 by virb67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    42... The Meaning of Life Day!

    1. Re:101010 by Bertie · · Score: 1

      Yep. In fact, when the release date was announced, Mark Shuttleworth peppered the speech with Hitchhiker's Guide references, to general bafflement.

    2. Re:101010 by rduke15 · · Score: 1

      Any link to that speech?

  16. The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Will it fix the hang with forzen graphics, mouse, and keyboard so many people are experiencing?

    1. Re:The real question is... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Did those people try noapic?

      And how can you tell if graphics are frozen if mouse and keyboard do not work?

    2. Re:The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes they tried noapic. Remote login via ssh.

      http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1478787
      (Not every post is consistent with the graphical freeze in this very long thread, but it happens for many of us afflicted with this).

    3. Re:The real question is... by h4rr4r · · Score: 1

      Considering the "me too" nature of ubuntuforums I had to give up on it long ago. Too many folks with not even similar problems and no testing claiming they have the same issue, thus making them impossible to help.

  17. Linux Zealot 'Reviews' Ubuntu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    And the rest of the computing media pretty much has given up on even pretending desktop Linux ever going to be something greater than a 1 percent OS.

    * A mishmash of competing desktop interfaces

    * A mishmash of competing user interface toolkits and standards

    * A mishmash of half-assed sound solutions

    * A mishmash of half-assed clones of commercial applications

    * Amateur typography - rampant kerning and other text layout problems

    Sounds par for an OS worked on by Bearded GNU Freaks sitting around at home playing World of Warcraft on their secret Windows partitions and taking bong hits all day instead of showering, driving to work, and putting in 40+ hour work weeks fixing and implementing stuff that matters to users rather than whatever crap they happen to feel like working on.

    1. Re:Linux Zealot 'Reviews' Ubuntu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must not have a lot going on in your life.

      By the way, WoW works perfectly in Wine, no need for a separate partition. :)

    2. Re:Linux Zealot 'Reviews' Ubuntu... by FreonTrip · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm glad this revelation is coming from a clearly unbiased source.

  18. Too quickly by sea4ever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit.
    That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x
    I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true.
    Someone find them and mod them up, please.

    1. Re:Too quickly by underqualified · · Score: 1

      I have the same problem Fedora. I think I'll be switching to Gentoo, if I finally stop the monitor from making funny noises during the install.

    2. Re:Too quickly by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you are keen on that kind of thing, you can always just pretend that a new version is released every three years in April, and the rest of them in between are kinda betas.

    3. Re:Too quickly by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

      In my opinion due to the fast nature of Linux in General and the vast changes that have happened in the Desktop Space over the past few years. Its not surprising this has not given the boost to Ubuntu over other Distributions and Linux in general. What is interesting is people seem to be getting more and more exited by rolling Distributions. I can see why with Firefox 4 not making the cut with this release. I personally prefer it I could never go back to Windows with their years between releases, and major regressions.

    4. Re:Too quickly by chocolatetrumpet · · Score: 1, Redundant

      You could stick with LTS.

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    5. Re:Too quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just use the LTS (Long Term Support) releases — that's what it's there for, for people that don't want to upgrade after every release.

    6. Re:Too quickly by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      That's actually what I meant, in a roundabout way. Mixed up 3 years support term with 2 years release interval.

    7. Re:Too quickly by coerciblegerm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In my opinion they release new versions too quickly. I know there are a lot of differences between versions, but what I'd like is if they slowed it down by a bit. That way, they could release each new version as a dramatically different thing than the previous ones. At this rate, Ubuntu 11.x will be roughly the same as Ubuntu 9.x I don't think it should be like that. Also, someone up-comments (I figure that's how I refer to someone above me in the list) pointed out the horrible mess that the init scripts are. This is absolutely true. Someone find them and mod them up, please.

      I completely agree. I've recently made the decision to go upstream and install Debian (testing) on my home system instead of upgrading to 10.10; the last three releases of Ubuntu have proven to be a complete nightmare to upgrade (for me, at least) without a clean install. I rather like the idea of (at least theoretically) never having to re-install my operating system and manually building "deprecated" programs that I prefer to use due to a major distribution upgrade.

    8. Re:Too quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's precisely what was being suggested above you.

    9. Re:Too quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Weird; my experience has been the opposite. When I got my laptop and saw that its vista preinstall was loaded down with crapware, I blew it away and put the then-current 7.10 on there. I've updated it in place since then and have barely had any trouble at all. (I had a little trouble on my desktop with the last transition - some menu things broke and had to be removed and re-added). The only thing that's come close in usability for me has been fresh installs of vista and win7 - and I still had to hunt for a couple drivers afterwards with those (though nowhere nearly as badly as older versions of windows).

    10. Re:Too quickly by sconeu · · Score: 1

      people seem to be getting more and more exited by rolling Distributions.

      Yeah, rolling Distributions always make me want to leave.

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    11. Re:Too quickly by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      all Ubuntu users might be doing that when the funding for Ubuntu runs out.

    12. Re:Too quickly by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      They are just as unstable in my experience. Usually they work for awhile and then a patch comes and messes it up.

    13. Re:Too quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just use LTS.

    14. Re:Too quickly by zoward · · Score: 1

      If you are keen on that kind of thing, you can always just pretend that a new version is released every three years in April, and the rest of them in between are kinda betas.

      While this seems like an option, they still have to rush a Long Term Support (LTS) release out the door six months after the previous release, just like the "in-between" releases. I've been a happy Ubuntu user since Warty (4.10 - 10/2004), and haven't found the LTS'es any more stable than the other releases.

      The only possible upside to this argument is that it may become more stable later in its support life; but I suspect the Ubuntu community (including Canonical) is more preoccupied with getting the next release out to put extra work into stabilizing the current LTS.

      While I love having access to the Latest, Greatest and Most Shiny, I wouldn't have a problem with Ubuntu moving to a 9 month or even a yearly release schedule and spending a little extra time stabilizing and polishing.

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    15. Re:Too quickly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Science changing the world too fast for your religion to adapt?
      You probably want us to slow down the search for the cure for cancer too?

      Not only did Ubuntu think about people like you, they implemented a solution for you.

      https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS

    16. Re:Too quickly by c · · Score: 1

      I've been continuously tracking Debian testing for one of me development systems for something like five, maybe six years now; if you think a Ubuntu upgrade once per year is messy, you might want to rethink this approach. testing is where you see major toolchain updates (i.e. gcc, perl, python, etc), system service changes, and oddball stuff like hda => sda (years ago, but it left a lot of unbootable boxes behind). Any "apt-get update" can bring a new surprise...

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    17. Re:Too quickly by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Depends on what you value I guess... I did use to track Debian testing once, though we're talking maybe 2003-2007 here. It broke stuff from time to time, and the breaking was random. Any update could break something at any time, though of course since less was upgraded at once it rarely hit "nightmare" levels. And testing slowed down *massively* around releases, so expect some bi-annual freeze periods.

      I'm not going to pretend everything is working in Ubuntu releases. But at least I get to pick the time and place when I do the upgrade, then I test and whatever does work will continue to work until the next release. I think it's better this way...

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    18. Re:Too quickly by Darundal · · Score: 1

      I'll have to disagree with you there. 6.06, Dapper Drake, the original LTS release (that they took 3 extra months on) was superb in every way, and (at least for me) an improvement over the previous release in stability and features. Then the next release was rushed out the door after three whole months of development, and is the one release I ever wholly passed up. The Latest, Greates, and Most Shiny is what Ubuntu is about. It was meant to be a more current version than w/e Debian's current release is, while still offering people a more stable system than if they used Debian testing. If you want slower and more stable, go with Lenny. Or wait until Squeeze is released, it should be sometime this year.

    19. Re:Too quickly by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I tried that.

      Turns out there's a helluva difference between "stability" and "using 2 year old obsolete versions of everything."

      I still remember the last round of Gaim vs Yahoo awhile back (IM service breaks 3rd party client->client updated->pause->repeat) when I was on 8.04. I wonder if it even works to this day (I just said "bugger it" and installed an updated version from source).

    20. Re:Too quickly by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 1

      Shit, how about once every 9 months? That way when they decide to deploy an entirely new init system they might have some more time for integration and bugsquashing, and they could package PulseAudio properly for release like they initially didn't, or do a decent job packaging KDE4.

      Or at least they could shove that extra time between the Beta and RC and spend a lot more time squashing bugs. After about 8.10 or so the bugginess of each release has felt like kind of a constant, and it's higher than it should be.

  19. Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You obviously don't have a clue. Open source has already won everywhere but the desktop. Infrastructure! Infrastructure! Infrastructure!

  20. Re:Nothing Happened Today...... by DiegoBravo · · Score: 1, Interesting

    They must build a partnership with Oracle (and support their database) in order to be seriously considered in enterprises and (finally) get some profits. BTW I don't like Oracle at all, it's just my opinion collected from some real companies that currently pay for RedHat and Suse support.

  21. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by tuppe666 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The alternative is Alsa/Pulseaudio combination continues to improve...and has always worked for me. If there is a major annoyance, and its one that many people have, previous updates often mute the volume. What I have also found is that alsa on my Revo through HDMI on this update muted an a switch that wasn't available through a GUI. Although compared to sound on Windows Pulseaudio is a godsend, and a step in the right direction.

    Given the option to buy commercial software is an excellent idea. You don't have to buy it and the opportunities for then to make money from an App Store is great idea. I am annoyed that they did not offer an opportunity to buy the Humble Bundle game bundle with a consistent easy way to install then. Hopefully they are wooing game developers as I type.

    As for buttons on the right...put then on the left...and while your at it install a dynamic wallpaper, faenza icons, conky colours, and a dark dark theme, get compiz scale/wall working from the bottom corners, and install awn. I'd say use the droid font, but the new Ubuntu font looks amazing.

    If all your hardware works...and you are more interested in stability(after your fixes) over features...and your happier with Debian stow release cycle go with it. Whats interesting is people today are moving towards rolling releases. It excites me because I use Gentoo because I am one of these people and a stable supported version seems like bliss.

  22. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by binarylarry · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.

    Second, what the fuck are you on about proprietary software not respecting you. Access to other people's work to do as you see fit isn't a human right, a right as a citizen or a computer user. Demanding that you be given the right to redistribute, modify, resell, etc. their software is more about *you* being disrespectful about how you treat other people's property.

    Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.

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  23. Re:Nothing Happened Today...... by tuppe666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    LOL I love this comment so much. Yes Ubuntu moved the taskbar buttons to the left...and what else. As for as I can see Mac features that are exclusive to Apple simply do not exist...they certainly did not invent the desktop analogy. Hell the company was drowning before they but there desktop on a *NIX Platform. If Ubuntu have copied anything, they have created a "Brand", they have not focused on innovation, they are not great contributors to Linux; Debian; X; Gnome; OpenOffice. They have developed a font; packaged a sensible collection of Applications that fit on one CD; commercialized their offering with paid support; Cloud Storage, Music Store...and now Commercial Applications, and its about time. Short of wooing some game companies they have been fantastic.

  24. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm personally looking forward to systemd init replacement.

  25. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Fedora: One release a year. Ubuntu: Releases every six months or so; hence why the extra press.

    It's not the extra part that bothers me, it is literally twice as much press for Ubuntu and I just don't see how you can justify ...
    uh...
    never mind.

  26. Does the OOo quick-starter still prevent shutdown? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

    Does anyone know if the OOo quick-starter prevents shutdown like it did with Ubuntu 10.04?

    And have they fixed the lesser issue of the quick-starter icon having a white background (versus the default tray colour of black/dark-grey)?

  27. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by petermgreen · · Score: 1

    Also, the apps never get "root-level access" unless you execute them with super user privileges.
    Installing a deb runs a number of scripts as root that can do whatever the hell the packager likes (either directly or if the packager wants to obfuscate what is going on by running binaries from the package).

    Don't install debs you don't trust!

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  28. So what the fuck else is new. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, really, what's new? Anything? More daemons rewritten by Canonical for no reason? Or did they just make the "Ubuntu One" logo bigger this time?

    Worthless article.

  29. Re:10.10 There's a Standard for that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's called ISO 8601 and it's about as logical as it gets!
    http://www.iso.org/iso/date_and_time_format

  30. Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up by tuppe666 · · Score: 1

    I too am constantly surprised that OSX only has a market share on the most conservative sites that is only five times the market share of Linux, and they have massive advertising campaigns, armies of fanboys, massive media mindshare, iThis disappointing really

  31. we like quiet by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    we LTS users don't want to be ripping and replacing OS every six months. takes a long time to get everything tweaked just right and so we don't care about RC releases and we don't care about six month releases and we don't care about 10.10

    1. Re:we like quiet by vlueboy · · Score: 1

      I never suspected an RC would drop the same day I downloaded the beta. I barely got 9.04 when 10.04 was still gestating in the dev channels, being the cautious anti-upgrade type. 6 months isn't good for production, but does help me find a slightly more functional distro without having to wait a whole year.

      I'm had to look at my Chrome history and concluded that themirror.mcs.anl.gov synched the contents too late. All the links say they had the files around 30-sept-2010 06:20am. My downloaded, already tested iso is no longer listed there, I see "rc-desktop-i386.iso" now, but my download was ubuntu-10.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso about 12 hours later than those timestamps claim. File transfers keep old timestamps when done right. I will have to redownload since my beta is 2 weeks old.

      My experience was that the USB image from the ISO failed to boot my laptop. I had to press SHIFT before the ID string freezes and type help into the boot command. Picking some random option, I was able to boot. I was pleasantly surprised that my bluetooth did get detected properly and could even initiate a phone connection. However, file transfers failed both ways. I also confirmed that MP3 playback sucks (Shuttleworth has removed the prior option to helpfully download from universe.) Rhythmbox tries to select the correct codecs and fails. I also found that Firefox 3.6.9 is included, but fails to install all 3 flash options because of some package issue. Maybe my beta had all those broken.

      I don't like that the DVD download isn't available for intel's 64 bit processors. As for the rest, I did notice that the outofbox app list is pretty damn skimpy compared to 2005. I have felt less and less interest in trying live releases. With Ubuntu, I'll give it another year before giving up altogether.

    2. Re:we like quiet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't care, then why the f*** are you wasting your time commenting about it. Go away!

    3. Re:we like quiet by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      The problem with Ubuntu LTS is the software gets outdated so quickly, they should backport more. I like quiet nowadays aswell, but I've chosen a different route, I use Arch and upgrade everything when I feel like it (rolling release). I haven't reinstalled my system once since I started using Arch yet I have the latest kernel, Xorg, KDE and applications.

    4. Re:we like quiet by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      I've been using Arch Linux for about 6 months, and also am loving it. Best distro out there by far.

    5. Re:we like quiet by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      I maintain Arch for a few of my company's clients, great server OS; I've never tried it as desktop.

      the software I use doesn't age in the LTS timeframe, databases and languages are what I'm into besides the usual desktop browser, email, photo editing. I also run several OS under vwmare, and changing kernel versions is a big bother for that.

    6. Re:we like quiet by SwedishPenguin · · Score: 1

      I'm exactly the opposite, I use Arch for my desktop and laptop where I want the latest and greatest, but on my servers I run Debian stable.

  32. narcoleptic newt by nadaou · · Score: 1

    Mark, if you are reading, please let 11.04 be called narcoleptic newt, ...

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    1. Re:narcoleptic newt by nadaou · · Score: 1

      aw shucks, Natty Narwhal? Named after a mythical cetacean?

      (ok, it's not mythical just yet, but considering where it lives and what it looks like, give that a few years)

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    2. Re:narcoleptic newt by cbhacking · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait... you want a computer that just randomly enters sleep mode on you?

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    3. Re:narcoleptic newt by jojoba_oil · · Score: 1

      All users want that. Isn't that why windoze has it as a default?

      And while its borrowing some good design decisions, just get the computer to restart itself whenever updates are auto-applied. Don't worry about processes that may be running, the admin will probably notice on Monday morning.

    4. Re:narcoleptic newt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you don't have the Ubuntu Genuine Advantage.

  33. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So... don't install the proprietary DEBs... I fail to see how making such software easily available puts you at risk.

  34. Re:No thanks by Omestes · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I tried Mint on my Atom HTPC, I installed Ubuntu 10.04 over it pretty quickly. I couldn't stand the Windows XP menu, and some of the other graphical elements seemed a bit underdone or amateur (like the update manager). It was nice that it saved me the five minutes needed to install codecs, but that is about the only benefit I found. The default theme is better than Ubuntu's, but the default Ubuntu theme generally only lasts around a day on a fresh install. It had the same problem with sound over HDMI as Ubuntu, and really didn't offer any noticeable improvements.

    But then again I'm used to Ubuntu, been running it on and off since 7.something or another, and pretty much constantly (on my laptop) since 9.something or another. It might be perfect, for all I know. Sadly it doesn't matter, since running Ubuntu or Mint of an Atom box with an Ion chip is like delving into some nasty circle of hell where anything using flash (Like Hulu) is impossible yet taunts you constantly like a vulture. I wish my old Mac Mini could handle 1080, the Linux box would turn into a headless server. I prefer Ubuntu to OS X, but it is barely usable (at least the HTPC, my Laptop, also running 10.04 works fine).

    Go-go NVIDIA drivers!

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  35. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by siride · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do you trust open-source software? Have you actually looked at the code to make sure that it isn't doing anything sneaky? You know that people can analyze the code and behavior of proprietary software as well, albeit with a little bit more difficulty. That's how all those exploits for Windows came about.

  36. Re:No thanks by Sulphur · · Score: 1

    I'm jaundiced you insensitive clod.

  37. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Original poster here. Well, I certainly consider having games secretly install hidden device drivers that interfere with my CD burner as not respecting me. Am I wrong? Does the imaginary property brigade own my PC when I install some of their software? Do they get to do whatever they like, including running intentionally cloaked processes in the background? See also, Sony Rootkit. How about tampering with my boot sector?

    Some of us have gotten tired of this crap over the years. I want a reliable machine where I won't have to worry about predatory capitalist pigs compromising the functionality or security of my machine to (maybe) make another few bucks. How about a vendor classifying a "Genuine Advantage" utility that phones home repeatedly as a security update, in order to get it on machines with auto-update enabled? That one happened too. Good thing we've got gigs of RAM. We can just allow all this crap that works for someone else to run in the background! This is why commercial software on my machine belongs in a contained environment. I don't trust it.

    BTW Thanks for putting words in my mouth. I guess thats what people have to do to win an arguement around here.

  38. Really week review by leamanc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The linked review is pretty damn weak. It mostly goes over the installed software without actually talking much about what it all does and how it all works together. And the author "doesn't understand" why MP3 codecs or Flash Player are not installed by default, even though they are a click away when you need them. I would expect an IT professional to understand the licensing issues here, and how they come in to play when shipping a FLOSS distro. Ubuntu handles it quite elegantly, IMO, but to do what he wants would violate some laws (stupid, bad laws, but laws nonetheless).

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    1. Re:Really week review by zaphod777 · · Score: 1, Informative

      The author of the review didn't install the RC the wallpaper is pretty evident of that. He must have downloaded the wrong ISO. I just did a fresh install of x64 10.10 RC and I had the options to install MP3 and flash from the installer. It all worked just fine. I did have to install the nVidia drivers after I logged in hopefully they will work those into the installer by the time it hits final.

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    2. Re:Really week review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He unfortunately missed the new checkbox in the installer that installs MP3 and flash support as part of the installation

  39. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe that is why they call it pulseaudio.

  40. Re:Plenty Of Time To Make Fun The Joke That Is Lin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the troll at 10pm on a Friday night...

  41. Re:Loser Rationalization by LingNoi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Good thing about OSS is that it doesn't need high market share to be a success. The people who use Ubuntu on a daily basis are quite happy with their desktops, but don't let that stop you from whining about how it's not acceptable to YOU.

  42. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by dbcad7 · · Score: 1

    I agree with you.. although I probably should run Stable instead of Testing, at least I have the Experimental level as a buffer to find bad things before they make it to me.. I think it is a legitimate worry, that perhaps there is not the levels of vetting that the apps in the distro have gone through.., but I suspect to be successful these paid apps would avoid shenanigans, as it absolutely would not be tolerated in the Linux world.

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  43. 101010 = 42 too! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    101010b == 42d

  44. Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by Yuioup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I installed the Netbook Remix with the Unity UI on my Acer Aspire One ZG5 and I *hated* it. Slow, unclear, and very buggy. And this was the last beta. I don't understand the concept of combining the start menu with an off-line and on-line search function in one action. That made launching programs a tedious and frustrating experience. I don't think that this is a direction that Canonical should take at all.

    Can anybody explain the appeal of Unity to me?

    1. Re:Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      My eeepc701 has the smallest screen around and the stock gnome desktop is fine for me.

    2. Re:Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by Rogerborg · · Score: 1

      Urgh, thanks for the warning. The first thing I did after installing Netbook Remix 10.04 on an 10.1" EEE PC was to strip the Netbook crud off of it. I was minded to give Unity a try, but more out of masochism than any real hope that Canonical had produced a UI that actually made sense on a modern netbook.

      To be honest, this constant swapping and changing of UIs and development focus smacks rather of desperation from Canonical. It's good to try new things, but it doesn't seem like they really have any clear roadmap, just a "Shit, that didn't work, let's run the other way" reaction.

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    3. Re:Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by jojoba_oil · · Score: 1

      So you installed the netbook remix because you didn't want netbook crud? I'm failing to see your logic here... Why not use the persistent option from a live USB stick?

    4. Re:Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      That's not practical on a portable. Unless you have a super-fast SD card, booting from your memory card reader is a fail, too. Also the Ubuntu install is not very smart, obviously Ubuntu has the technology to detect if you are using a USB stick or similar because they use it to make usb installers, but they don't detect this during install and disable readahead or anything like that.

      Zenity is poop, so when I install on a netbook (like my EEE 701) I just install ubuntu-minimal and then install the apps I want, all the deps fall in and all is well. I am using the stock GNOME desktop without a desktop (no nautilus in desktop mode) for lightness, and I installed maximus. Done. However, I am running Lucid on my netbook... I AM running Maverick on my desktop. So far everything works but bluetooth, which luckily I am not actually using. They broke the driver for the most common cambridge bluetooth radios, which is a massive and retarded fail. Driver support is Ubuntu's strongest and weakest point; they properly support some hardware no one else does, but they also fuck up drivers which work everywhere else.

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    5. Re:Netbook remix sucks on a netbook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had the exact same experience. I have no idea wtf they are doing.

  45. The question on everybody's lips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is , will it stop loading the 8169 driver for Realtek 8168 cards? (causing them to lock up requiring a cold restart)

  46. Re:Eat it up, niggers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm an African-American, you insensitive clod!

  47. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by Knuckles · · Score: 1

    Yes, so DON'T INSTALL proprietary apps if you don't like it. No risk.

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  48. Hitchhikers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Releases are big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely,
    mind-bogglingly big they are. I mean, you may think it's a long haul to
    release a single Linux package or application, but that's just peanuts
    to a Linux distribution release.

    Read much Douglas Adams lately??

  49. Re:Funny no mention of Fedora 13 rcs by Compaqt · · Score: 1

    Ha!

    Redhat was hot back in the day when they used to take out full page ads in the Linux Journal of a guy in a trench coat in a red hat passing some briefcase off to another guy in a trench coat.

    RHell seems to be known these days for an old and decrepit (in terms of RPMs available) enterprise version whose purpose is to be certified to run Oracle, and a perpetually broken testing vehicle named Fedora.

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  50. My advice is to wait some days before upgrading by rnsimoes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am glad Ubuntu keeps shipping new versions at a regular pace but I would advise to wait a few weeks before upgrading. It is cautious to let others try it first and detect any problems. In any case, I must say that the last versions of Ubuntu I tried worked pretty well out of the box.

    1. Re:My advice is to wait some days before upgrading by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      I would suggest installing on a spare partition, and at least running it thru the hardware testing program. Hopefully on every computer you have access too. It's so easy to submit bug reports, and try to make it actually work for you, instead of waiting for someone else to do it. You dont have to upgrade everything to it, but geez, if you use it, throw it on, and use it for a few days in your spare time on unimportant things, and help make the world a better place. I love seeing my bugs get fixed, and checking that it's fixed for me as well. Then you have a much better idea if you wanna or should upgrade when the next version is released.

  51. Re:Loser Rationalization by Kjella · · Score: 1

    As if Linux users never get fed up and abandon it for other platforms, noooo that never happens. I started using Linux on the desktop around Kunbutu 7.10 (Gutsy), because at the time Vista was sucking major balls and Macs weren't that interesting. Recently I bought a ASUS Eee PC 1001PX, and I had to manually upgrade the kernel to a newer-than-Lucid kernel just to have wireless work. The internal speaker played but if I plugged in headphones then nothing. It's 2010 and Linux is still struggling with the very, very basics. And just surfing the net flash sucks less on Windows than on Linux and there's still no usable free replacement, despite gnash and lightspark. Never mind other plug-ins that plain old don't exist for Linux.

    I dual boot to Windows 7 and I'm seriously considering abandoning Linux and just run Windows + as much open source software as I can on top. Another reason is games, WINE keeps getting better but if you want to play something on release day it pretty much never works, or there's a load of tweaks and workarounds and glitches. It's great if you have the patience to begin playing a year from now I guess, but every new games exposes new bugs. And I have filed bugs and bisected in git and even got a patch in WINE, it just never ends. There's also other great services I'm missing out on, like free Spotify, it won't work under Linux unless you have the Premium version.

    Take a look at this. Linux has the two last months been at its lowest since October 2008. It hit a high of 1.17% and is down to 0.85%. Even if you're so kind as to exclude all non-desktops and just go witn Win+Mac+Linux, it's down to 0.88%. That's called unhappy users leaving. Sure Linux can't die but it can be marginalized again to a bunch of people shouting "I'm not dead yet". The netbook/nettop push that gave Linux is small boost is pretty much gone, all I see now on low-end laptops is Windows, Windows, Windows. The 1001PX I bought should have been an ideal Linux candidate - but it only came with Windows so I had to wipe and install Linux myself.

    In fact, I think the whole open source desktop is struggling badly. Firefox which has been the flagship of open source is losing market share now in the last year, while Chrome keeps breaking new records. And Google both makes Chrome and is Firefox's main source of income, how long before they decide to put all the money and push behind Chrome? Yes I know of Chromium but parts are missing so it's no more Chrome than OS X is BSD. OpenOffice, or rather LibreOffice is playing "divide and conquer" with themselves while Microsoft and Apple laughs. The year of the Linux desktop is never if it keeps going like this...

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  52. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by whovian · · Score: 1

    Is Pulseaudio still required? I really got fed up in Ubuntu 9.10 when they made the volume control stack Dependant on it. If you removed PA, you would get a "waiting for sound system to respond" message when trying to select an audio device... and your graphical volume control would break.

    I feel your pain. Although I am still using jaunty, I have a stable situation whereby to turn on my laptop's external speakers, I have to plug earphones into the headphones jack [sic]. Trying to switch to alsa didn't work, and I'm not sure I was the problem or the software was bungled.

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  53. A nit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If all goes well, the stable release is planned for Oct. 10th.

    IMO, this is an abuse of the word "stable." I run ubuntu/kubuntu on a number of machines, and I can say with authority that what Canonical calls "stable" can be a horrid pain in the ass. I run this stuff because I sometimes want to be on the bleeding edge, but it's painful. Canonical's definition of stable != Debian's definition of stable, that's for damn sure.

  54. Re:Loser Rationalization by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    I dual boot to Windows 7 and I'm seriously considering abandoning Linux and just run Windows + as much open source software as I can on top.

    Then just do that.

    Ubuntu is still a success for me however much it sucks for you. It's year of the desktop for ME. It will never be year of the desktop for YOU. Obviously your laptop was built for windows, just use that.

    Ubuntu is a success for canonical as well. I have read on Mark's blog about him striking deals for 10,000 desktop OS replacements and Canonical is making money without needing Mark's millions any more.

    Ubuntu doesn't need billions of users like windows has to be a success. The users are content, canonical is happy. The only people complaining are the whiners like you whose trying to use Ubuntu on some weird hardware configuration and the parent who most likely doesn't even use the OS.

  55. Re:pulse, pulse, pulse, *pop* *stutter* pulse, pul by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    First, Pulseaudio sucked for a long time but it's finally usable as of the last release.

    It's been usable all along if you just followed PerfectSetup. It's unfathomable why the Ubuntu maintainers don't seem to be able to do this...

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  56. Re:Nothing Happened Today...... by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

    > Apple simply do not exist...they certainly did not invent the desktop analogy

    but they did use the bible from the guys that did invent it.

    >they have been fantastic.

    They've done an above average job, but I wouldn't consider it up to professional standards.
    The poor quality of the Gnome file manager is a perfect example.

    They're also increasingly getting away from the what the average user wants to do with a PC.

    Cloud computing? There are stories everywhere about companies being hacked and data stolen,
    Internet root DNS servers being down for 18 hours, etc.
    I don't want someone who doesn't care about my business or my data being responsible for it.
    It's a niche market and they should be focusing on nailing down basic functionality still.
    They wouldn't even have to write it themselves. A bounty would probably work just fine.

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  57. Re:Loser Rationalization by Kjella · · Score: 1

    So your whole argument boils down to "LALALALALA I can't hear you we're happy here in fairytale land, I'm happy, everybody happy". Canonical is still losing money, you better check your facts. The last time we got a definitive answer on that (it's a private company so no public books) was in March 2010 when the new CEO took over. "We're not profitable now.". Linux is losing users which I backed up with statistics while you just throw insults, but hey great that you're trying your best to get rid to someone who has used Linux as my primary desktop now for three years (I dual boot for the games). You're a fucking retard. It's sad that the Linux community has to put up with pathetic pricks like you.

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  58. It's all about me!!! by JSC · · Score: 1

    Version 10.10 gets released on 10/10/10. That's 5 10s. 5X10=50. I turn 50 on that day. So it's all about me.

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  59. Re:Loser Rationalization by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    You are replying to my post about it being a success to me and how OSS doesn't need to be popular to be a success.

    Being "Not profitable" is not the same as making money.

    On the revenue front, Canonical’s fiscal year runs April 2010 to March 2011. Asay predicts Canonical will “do multiples over what we did last year. We’re starting from a good [revenue] number and we’ll do several times more than in the previous year.”

    If Asay says they predict to make more money then last year how can you argue with that? Since they're an ltd anyway there's no way for you or I to know.

    Your replies have included how it doesn't work on your hardware and some weird stats on linux popularity which I have no interest in anyway since my post was about how popularity doesn't equal success. Also web stats tell nothing about computer usage. So some % of linux users didn't get counted in the past two months.. meaningless data that you're trying to give meaning to.

    Getting back on topic.. you basically didn't read my original post to begin with at all.

    So I insulted you.. I called you "a whiner", and you are. You completely ignored any context to my post and went on a rant about how Ubuntu doesn't work on your laptop and because it doesn't work on your laptop it's the end of days! users are dropping like flies because Kjella can't get his laptop to work!

    You complain about me insulting you then call me a "fucking retard" and a "pathetic prick". Seems to me a bit of a double standard and really you deserved being called a whiner the way you replied out of context to anything I said.

    Also I'm not trying to get rid of you.. YOU YOURSELF SAID YOU DO NOT WANT TO USE IT! SO DON'T!

    I dual boot to Windows 7 and I'm seriously considering abandoning Linux and just run Windows

    If some thing isn't working for you to the point where you can write a four paragraphed drama piece about how it sucks so bad.. why do you bother to continue using it?!

    In conclusion I think the linux community can live without negative people like yourself which contributes nothing but whining. I on the other hand have at least tried to fix problems rather then give ultimatums about going back to windows if my unique situation isn't fixed.

  60. Re:Loser Rationalization by Kjella · · Score: 1

    No, what I reacting to was the part that said "everybody who uses Ubuntu is happy". So it's working out great for YOU, fantastic. But not for a lot of other people, users or ex-users. People are dissatisfied and leaving. I'm considering leaving. And yes, I mean everything I said because both the post you replied to and mine are all like "How DARE you say it's not good?! You whiner!" I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble. I'm sorry that you can't handle negative opinions contrary to your own. I tried backing that up with figures to show that no, it's not just me but you want to make it a personal assault so I call you for what you are. And yeah, try pinning the "contributes nothing but whining" on me to make yourself feel good - attack is the best defense right? Save your pathetic "shut up and like it" tactics for the n00bs.

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  61. Re:Loser Rationalization by LingNoi · · Score: 1

    No, what I reacting to was the part that said "everybody who uses Ubuntu is happy".

    Strawman argument because I never said everyone was happy with Ubuntu and you're still not even understanding what I was saying with regards to the context of what the parent before me was talking about.

    I'm considering leaving. And yes, I mean everything I said because both the post you replied to and mine are all like "How DARE you say it's not good?! You whiner!" I'm sorry if that bursts your bubble.

    Dude, you seem to have a reading comprehension failure somewhere. You don't seem to be able to understand basic English.

    Here are some basic points I've already made tons of times:

    - The parent I originally replied to was making a point that popularity == success. I replied that it's not and daily users of Ubuntu are happy and Canonical is happy which I consider a success in itself. You don't need to be on a billion desktops to be a success.
    - I agreed with you, you don't like Ubuntu, you're leaving. Fine, it's not working out for you; leave and be happy with windows or another OS. Your using another OS has zero effect on me or anyone else since you weren't contributing anything anyway. What you use is up to you.
    - I only called you a whiner because you're replying off topic about something irrelevant to my point and the parent before me. You are going on and on about hardware problems that only you're having and trying to make the point that because of that people are leaving Ubuntu.
    - You claim you gave proof, you showed a two month drop is web statistics for people who have "linux" in their browser's user agent and somehow you claim that as proof people are leaving Ubuntu. I've already explained why this isn't proof however on second look even your interpretation of these statistics is wrong. From looking at the statistics you've provided the "linux" user agent remains hovering around 1% +-0.3%. You can confirm this by looking at how it has risen and dropped in the past.
    - Even if we go under the crazy theory that you're correct and that people are leaving Ubuntu it has nothing to do with my original point.
    - you keep trying to make a point about popularity when my original post was that popularity isn't the only measure of success; that most people are happy with their desktop; that Canonical is happy and the only people that aren't don't use Ubuntu anyway.
    - The only one getting personal is you. You're the one calling me a "fucking retard". You keep trying to make yourself look like a victim, like i'm trying to tell you to "shut up and like it". Throughout my communication with you i've always said the same thing. If you don't like it, don't use it. Why you've continued this charade is beyond me and the only thing I can think of is because your pride is hurt.

  62. Re:No thanks by WeatherGod · · Score: 1

    I have to agree with the flash/hulu sentiment. My EeePC had flash/hulu working beautifully with the stock Xandros install. However, due to other issues, I switched over to UNR, and flash performance sucked. I never could quite figure out what Asus did to make everything work properly. Anyway, with the latest flash from Adobe and 10.04, things are "better". Not quite as good with Xandros, mind you, but better than before. My occasional attempts with 10.10 didn't fully exercise flash, but it seems like it got a little bit better.

  63. Re: Virtualbox Guest Additions by qubezz · · Score: 1

    If you are installing or upgrading in Virtualbox, the guest additions (which include the auto-resize video driver) won't install correctly, you get an error: Warning: unknown version of the X Window System installed. Not Installing X Window System drivers.

    the solution?:
    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get install build-essential linux-headers-$(uname -r)
    sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-guest-x11

  64. Quick fix for "left side" buttons by donak · · Score: 1

    A quick fix to put the buttons back on the right top corner : change desktop themes, I think my personal favourite "Clear Looks" is still available,
    but almost any other theme that's not the default has the buttons on the right.

    There is also a hack in the config scripts, but I'd have to dig for it ...

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  65. Re:No thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that is because adobe are a bunch of dicks and won't make a VDPAU backend for flash. (even though they had to do it anyway for tegra2 ARM procs)

  66. Too quickly is right! by Envy+Life · · Score: 1

    Every other Ubuntu upgrade kills half a day getting my PC working again. Vanilla installs are pretty good, but having forgot my last catastrophe, I decided to jump the gun and go 10.10 final beta on my primary PC. Mistake. Installer had an issue with fglrx, had no video, just a purple screen requiring what seems to now be a requirement: a second pc to ssh into the box to fix it. VirtualBox now has issues too, and compiz is broken because it refuses to activate my binary video driver. 3 strikes...

    So I decide to try a true vanilla PC upgrade. I did not find 2 of those issues before doing this, but that one seems to go ok, so I have hope. Might as well go to the next box... upgrade my laptop... another fail. My Broadcom STA driver now just doesn't work at all, so my notebook without wireless is now considered a desktop with a tiny screen and a cramped keyboard.

    After finding out that Ubuntu stopped including aptitude in the default install (while Debian recommends it over apt), "Hardware Drivers" is now known as "Additional Drivers" which is now missing the Broadcom OSS driver option on my laptop, and Software Sources is hidden by default, I'm wondering WTF is going on over at Canonical HQ... upgrades still as flaky as ever, especially with proprietary drivers, and power tools rapidly disappearing from default seems like a few steps backwards. If I want to deal with proprietery driver issues I may as well go back to Debian.

  67. Re:Loser Rationalization - Buy from a Linux Vendor by cboslin · · Score: 1

    It is simple to avoid all hardware related issues with all Linux distros today, especially those related to WiFi, Sound, Video, etc....

    Follow this advice and NEVER have problems again, ever.

    Purchase your hardware ONLY from Linux Vendors, my favorite is ZaReason. Another is System 76. I know there are many more.

    I just updated to Ubuntu 10-10 last night on my Breeze Pro 4220 (starting at $399, still under $816 with quad core, 4GB RAM and 1GB HD) and it is working like a champ! I love getting 4 cores, 4GB RAM and a GB hard drive for under $816...love it!

    If you want to run Windows (for games) I get that, purchase Windows 7 separately and install it, the method you choose will vary and is up to you...but at least you KNOW IT WILL WORK.

    Linux has more device drivers than any other operating system in the world, ever. The only reason anyone has problems is always related to proprietary hardware/software/BIOS crap...all of which is easy to avoid, purchase from a Linux vendor ONLY.

    Same with Android, buy only hardware where you have Linux root access, avoid all other proprietary chips/hardware.

    Follow that advice and no more problems, ever.

    It is that simple.

    My next PC from ZaReason will also run CentOS, Damn Small Linux and Fedora in addition to the latest greatest Ubuntu. If I have learned anything from all the Microsoft Windows BS over the years, its never put all your eggs in one basket. Also, if you only have two choices, you have no choice.

  68. Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up by multiplexo · · Score: 1

    Yeah, Linux is great for infrastructure, but Linux on the desktop is still a turd. Sure, it's a turd with lots of nifty graphical stuff built in thanks to . And where did Linux win on the back-end? Well it wasn't in replacing Windows servers, it was in replacing servers running proprietary UNIX versions, AIX, Solaris and HP/UX or in devices such as DataDomain restorers where having access to a powerful OS that lends itself to running specialized systems allows vendors to create great new products. And even on the back-end Linux's victories are confined to certain areas. Yeah, you'll find lots of companies moving from Oracle on Solaris or Oracle on HP/UX to Oracle on Linux, but you won't find anyone moving from Microsoft Exchange to Linux systems running Postfix/IMAPD.

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  69. Re:I Think Most Linux Fans Have Given Up by multiplexo · · Score: 1

    I'm amazed that OS X only has five times the market share of Linux considering that the Linux desktop is such an abysmal piece of shit compared to MacOS X or even Windows 7.

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