I think that even if Microsoft didn't install with a browser but after start up allowed you to configure your system to download and install it that OEMs would still just have IE anyway so I really don't see what Opera is trying to get out of this.
At first I was going to agree with you however the more to thought about it the more it makes sense.
What browsers on the market charge for their product? Only Opera that I am aware of.
It sounds like what Opera wants out of this is that when a customer buys a PC from the store they should also buy a browser too from the box. This kind of makes sense in the same way you buy an accounting program, etc.
Apart from that I don't really see any point in getting rid of MS IE. It sounds like Opera is blaming Microsoft for their lack of marketing and letting people know they have a choice.
I don't really see a suitable resolution to this. A web browser is a major component of the Operating System. Without it a layman wouldn't be able to do what they want to do (which is download Firefox ofcouse).
In the end I don't really care because I use Linux and none of this (a?)effects me.
It has a long history of pushing for H1B visa increases intended to reduce the average wage of skilled tech workers
If you think that by reducing H1B visas that employee wages will increase then you're gravely mistaken.
What is going to happen is that more and more jobs will be outsource to other countries. No problem for me seeming as I work in one of those other countries so will be happy to take the work.
If you need an expert in a certain field and all you have is joe blow half decent php programmer then you need to import people.
The more smart people that the US can convince to come over the better it will be so I don't understand why you'd have a problem with this unless you're complaining because all those smart people are making competition for you.
since anyone that doesn't fully agree with their opinions is a socialist, liberal or pinko.
In my experience with Americans this goes both ways. They seem to be unable to understand that someone may have personal opinions which have nothing to do with a political party.
- Canonical open source - Community open source - propitiatory drivers. - software restricted by copyright and legal issues
I have no idea if the last two are ticked by default however I expect a person that is interested in free software only to either know to untick them or use gNewSense.
I want each of you to remember why you got picked on in grade school and high school and feel the need to act this way as adultsâ¦if you even are adults. PS: let the flame war on me beginâ¦frankly, the more traffic I get to my blog, the cooler I am!
and this..
I have an idea...learn how to spell.
and this..
Ummm...Chip, you repeated yourself using Dim-Wit twice...so, who's the dim-wit now?
We all know there are idiots out there who should be ignored. This news reporter thought it best to bring himself down to their level and why?
Because it generates more page views..
The story made national headlines on small techie sites as well as USA Today and Newsweek.com. So, really, truly, from the bottom of our sales department's heart...THANK YOU!!!!
1 - The author for some reason felt it necessary to include her full name in the article. Opening her to abuse.
2 - The author titled the article "Woman blames Ubuntu for missing online classes", however has now changed "Ubuntu" to "Dell" which it should have been in the first place.
3 - The author did little research on Ubuntu and just made the assumption it didn't work focusing most of the article on that rather then Dell's refusal to replace her computer.
Basically the whole thing was a troll post to get peoples attention. Quoting the Assistent Director of the news website..
I'd like to thank each and every one of you who hit our original Ubuntu story using DIGG and REDDIT and other places. That story alone got 125,000 unique page views in 24 hours. My last blog got more than 5,000 page views in 12 hours and shut down a local server that hosts it. The story made national headlines on small techie sites as well as USA Today and Newsweek.com. So, really, truly, from the bottom of our sales department's heart...THANK YOU!!!!
I'm sure Abbie is happy now that you've ruined her life/career all over one news post to make a cheap buck.
Surely banking would be much safer if there was a public key for the bank and a private key for the card stored on the card. The bank would have the private bank key and public card key.
Then you could use a card reader to create encrypted messages to send to the bank.
Although it doesn't deal with the problem of if the bank's key gets compromised. They'd have to recall all the cards..
I noticed that Chrome 2.0 isn't affected by this however I have to ask the question..
How can Chrome be affected by this in the first place? Isn't the whole point of Chrome that it's sand boxed in and unable to get information from other tabs.
If this isn't the case then I see no point in using Chrome. It means all that Chrome marketing was just fluff.
why bother to RTFA when you can make a quick-and-ill-informed Windows-bashing post and get modded +5 for informative (it may be informative but it's totally irrelevant) by the/. pro-linux crowd?
You must be new here. I for one welcome our new inexperienced individual thinking AC overlords.
The free software foundation are pushing the agenda of free software being your only option available so I don't understand why you think it is somehow hypocritical. That is not to say they are succeeding however I think this is a pretty safe claim to make seeming as they founded the GNU project.
You could try and counter-act this point I made by saying that they just want to give the freedom of choice. If that was the case then why create such a stink about non-free software repositories? No, there motive is for the majority of computer users to be using only free software.
I'm not trying to debate the ethics of that, just trying to point out how it isn't hypocritical.
The problem with your suggestion is that it sounds like what the company is doing isn't legal anyway and if it is they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court because they'd first have to prove that the binary they're redistributing from the open office website was downloaded from their website instead.
This women could simply claim she got a random email one day and downloaded open office from the official website and they can't prove it either way.
What they going to tell the judge? This women isn't paying for the software we didn't make? Yeah, it's not going to happen.
There's a difference between practicality and theory. This situation definatly belongs in the "what if" category right after "getting hit by falling toilet".
Dave you seem to keep perpetuating throughout this article as though it's a fact that Ubuntu ruined her life or something.
However if you RTFA you'd know that she is using ubuntu fine. It's simply a case of having to learn something new and being so frustrated that she contacted the news about it.
I don't see any problem with this. An ISP and college course is willing to accept her ubuntu computer.
To me that's a step forward. Yes she had problems, however because of this things have now changed to make it more accesible to other Operating Systems.
If only we had a one or two thousand Abbies things would change for everyone and not just for Abbie and these type of problems wouldn't exist.
I'm also wondering if she really got a Dell fanboy, or if Dell is giving this line their phone people to try to avoid having to exchange a computer.
It's probably neither (we'll never know the real story).
My opinion is the phone call probably went like this..
[Abbie] Hi, my computer is wrong [Dell] What is wrong with it? [Abbie] It doesn't have windows which I need to open word documents and use the internet [Dell] It does those things [Abbie] um, ok, thanks bye.
Sounds like classic communication problem to me. I'm sure if she pushed for it Dell would have replaced it, however it sounds more like she was willing to give it another shot after whatever Dell told her.
Your analogy fails because under said analogy, she went to the mechanic who told her everything was fine and not to worry about it.
and this is where your analogy fails because there was nothing wrong with her computer. You're going under the general assumption that something is wrong or fails to complete the tasks she needs it to do.
By reading the article you'll see that she is happily using her new ubuntu machine now she knows how it works.
It could all be fixed with a start up program with a list of help options asking you what you want to do.
What do you want to do? A- I want to connect to the internet -- Do you have a router, a usb dsl box, a modem or a mobile phone -- A- Router ----Please plug the cable from the router into the back of your computer
If I remember correctly I am sure windows used to have something similar to this on 95 or 98.
99% of the weird things please want to do such as connect usb DSL modems could be scripted and wrapped around a nice graphical front end.
It's all about presentation, most users can get along with the current settings and windows fine, however not everyone is the same and some users need more hand holding then others.
These other users want options presented to them, "I want to install new software". Let them click the option then have the mouse cursor automatically click on Applications -> Add/Remove Software
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I think that even if Microsoft didn't install with a browser but after start up allowed you to configure your system to download and install it that OEMs would still just have IE anyway so I really don't see what Opera is trying to get out of this.
At first I was going to agree with you however the more to thought about it the more it makes sense.
What browsers on the market charge for their product? Only Opera that I am aware of.
It sounds like what Opera wants out of this is that when a customer buys a PC from the store they should also buy a browser too from the box. This kind of makes sense in the same way you buy an accounting program, etc.
Apart from that I don't really see any point in getting rid of MS IE. It sounds like Opera is blaming Microsoft for their lack of marketing and letting people know they have a choice.
I don't really see a suitable resolution to this. A web browser is a major component of the Operating System. Without it a layman wouldn't be able to do what they want to do (which is download Firefox ofcouse).
In the end I don't really care because I use Linux and none of this (a?)effects me.
If you think that by reducing H1B visas that employee wages will increase then you're gravely mistaken.
What is going to happen is that more and more jobs will be outsource to other countries. No problem for me seeming as I work in one of those other countries so will be happy to take the work.
If you need an expert in a certain field and all you have is joe blow half decent php programmer then you need to import people.
The more smart people that the US can convince to come over the better it will be so I don't understand why you'd have a problem with this unless you're complaining because all those smart people are making competition for you.
In my experience with Americans this goes both ways. They seem to be unable to understand that someone may have personal opinions which have nothing to do with a political party.
It already is an option..
System->Admin->Software Sources
On this dialogue you should see tick boxes for:
- Canonical open source
- Community open source
- propitiatory drivers.
- software restricted by copyright and legal issues
I have no idea if the last two are ticked by default however I expect a person that is interested in free software only to either know to untick them or use gNewSense.
Perhaps you should read the update he made after that..
http://addins.wkowtv.com/blogs/behindthenews/archives/84
and this..
and this..
We all know there are idiots out there who should be ignored. This news reporter thought it best to bring himself down to their level and why?
Because it generates more page views..
It simply is bad reporting:
1 - The author for some reason felt it necessary to include her full name in the article. Opening her to abuse.
2 - The author titled the article "Woman blames Ubuntu for missing online classes", however has now changed "Ubuntu" to "Dell" which it should have been in the first place.
3 - The author did little research on Ubuntu and just made the assumption it didn't work focusing most of the article on that rather then Dell's refusal to replace her computer.
Basically the whole thing was a troll post to get peoples attention. Quoting the Assistent Director of the news website..
I'm sure Abbie is happy now that you've ruined her life/career all over one news post to make a cheap buck.
That is simply absurd. If this is true then I would be suing all microsoft users in Germany tomorrow.
Surely banking would be much safer if there was a public key for the bank and a private key for the card stored on the card. The bank would have the private bank key and public card key.
Then you could use a card reader to create encrypted messages to send to the bank.
Although it doesn't deal with the problem of if the bank's key gets compromised. They'd have to recall all the cards..
I noticed that Chrome 2.0 isn't affected by this however I have to ask the question..
How can Chrome be affected by this in the first place? Isn't the whole point of Chrome that it's sand boxed in and unable to get information from other tabs.
If this isn't the case then I see no point in using Chrome. It means all that Chrome marketing was just fluff.
Those damn lefties!
Simple solution, take the job as an Elbonian diplomat and then do what you want!
It's not. They have their own separate network. The systems in the story are mostly HR, food stock keeping etc.
Important information, but it's not going to automatically launch a nuke at Israel or Pakistan.
because it's a joke as in "ha ha". Something that isn't suppose to be taken seriously by either Linux or Windows fanatics.
You must be new here. I for one welcome our new inexperienced individual thinking AC overlords.
I'm sure we discussed this story (maybe not that particular one) on slashdot years ago.
I remember commenting or at least reading the comments on it.
The free software foundation are pushing the agenda of free software being your only option available so I don't understand why you think it is somehow hypocritical. That is not to say they are succeeding however I think this is a pretty safe claim to make seeming as they founded the GNU project.
You could try and counter-act this point I made by saying that they just want to give the freedom of choice. If that was the case then why create such a stink about non-free software repositories? No, there motive is for the majority of computer users to be using only free software.
I'm not trying to debate the ethics of that, just trying to point out how it isn't hypocritical.
The problem with your suggestion is that it sounds like what the company is doing isn't legal anyway and if it is they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court because they'd first have to prove that the binary they're redistributing from the open office website was downloaded from their website instead.
This women could simply claim she got a random email one day and downloaded open office from the official website and they can't prove it either way.
What they going to tell the judge? This women isn't paying for the software we didn't make? Yeah, it's not going to happen.
There's a difference between practicality and theory. This situation definatly belongs in the "what if" category right after "getting hit by falling toilet".
He can't because only the original copyright holders of the GPL'd work can sue under such circumstances.
Dave you seem to keep perpetuating throughout this article as though it's a fact that Ubuntu ruined her life or something.
However if you RTFA you'd know that she is using ubuntu fine. It's simply a case of having to learn something new and being so frustrated that she contacted the news about it.
The fact that it is on the Dell website indicates that they are making money from it and that there is a demand for linux.
I think that Dell knows more about selling computers then Mr Anonymous Coward does.
I don't see any problem with this. An ISP and college course is willing to accept her ubuntu computer.
To me that's a step forward. Yes she had problems, however because of this things have now changed to make it more accesible to other Operating Systems.
If only we had a one or two thousand Abbies things would change for everyone and not just for Abbie and these type of problems wouldn't exist.
It's probably neither (we'll never know the real story).
My opinion is the phone call probably went like this..
Sounds like classic communication problem to me. I'm sure if she pushed for it Dell would have replaced it, however it sounds more like she was willing to give it another shot after whatever Dell told her.
and this is where your analogy fails because there was nothing wrong with her computer. You're going under the general assumption that something is wrong or fails to complete the tasks she needs it to do.
By reading the article you'll see that she is happily using her new ubuntu machine now she knows how it works.
It could all be fixed with a start up program with a list of help options asking you what you want to do.
If I remember correctly I am sure windows used to have something similar to this on 95 or 98.
99% of the weird things please want to do such as connect usb DSL modems could be scripted and wrapped around a nice graphical front end.
It's all about presentation, most users can get along with the current settings and windows fine, however not everyone is the same and some users need more hand holding then others.
These other users want options presented to them, "I want to install new software". Let them click the option then have the mouse cursor automatically click on Applications -> Add/Remove Software
For an example of the kind of program I had in mind think http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=Ubuntu
This story has nothing to do with Microsoft. Please leave the Microshit out of Linux related articles.
I prefer real discussion on Linux rather then discussion on a company that doesn't interest me and about an operating system I don't use.