Right..... Its OK for him to insult the people that raise our kids, but its not OK for me to insult him..... He must be IMPORTANT. 10 Bucks says all 15 of his PHDs against 15 average science teachers in, lets say biology, would send half the kids home crying.
People understand as much science as they need to, no more no less. Why should they learn more, especially more physics? So this guy can give more talks?
If you think I'm bitter, try actually being a physics professor like Goldstein. Then you get to write articles attacking the people who raise our kids and everyone starts thinking you are a genius.
Democracy -- the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard -- HL Mencken
I agree with you completely on the real basis of his article. In fact the article is a reaction to his own cultural irrelevance (and rightly so, we need less of him).
It is well known, for anyone who cares, that our school system is based on the prussian (and Nazi) war model.
You are so right. I was a physics major also, and what you say resonates with me. People like goldstein aren't interested in education or learning. Especially if that learning doesn't involve him. If he was, he would make a trivial effort to understand people's concerns, instead of being manipulated by the religious right school voucher group planting stories in his local media saying "education BAAAD".
In terms of the prussian thing, have you seen this:
Did anyone else notice the fact that this retard is from Caltech? For those of you that don't know, Caltech has a reputation for producing a bunch people who are able to get very high grades at the expense of nearly everything else in their lives. Nothing creative and really cool ever came from Caltech. The cool stuff came from the hippies at Berkley. I was a science major and I have heard numerous stories about extremely smart people going to Caltech and crying themselves to sleep because these idiots tested and prodded them like lab rats. These are people that would have had a highly rewarding college experience anywhere else.
Is this the kind of education we want for our children?
Never mind the fact that this guy writes on a third grade level, and uses a highly highly suspect inflammatory vocabulary. Anyone who uses the words: "elite" and [non reading related] "illiterate" is quite simply a moron who has trouble accepting that 99% of people out there don't play by the same rules you do. That's why the trolls love to talk about 1337 haxxors. That kind of black and white twisted vocabulary a sign of someone who categorizes things to make them match their own psychological problems.
So I guess his major complaint is that the rich brilliant businessmen in Texas don't give this guy any respect and treat him like dirt, yet everyone looks up to them. Awwwww. Couldn't past this test, could you, you "physics major".
I think its a good thing our teaching salaries are kept close to average wage. Just like in government, anyone who goes in it for the power (no power in teaching?:) ) and the money should be immediately eliminated from the gene pool. Personally I respect my teachers very much. Looks like this guy doesn't respect YOUR teacher and wants everyone to major in something useless like physics. Elitists like him are why no one majors in physics anymore. It was cool when physics people were actually doing something closer to 1900. Now they are just a bunch of specialized mindless robots. Oh, they try, how they try. Too bad the best advice they can give you is not to major in physics.
I guess the only use for his 15 phds that this guy can think of is to teach children. No thanks. Spare us your great and wonderful intellectual abilities. Please spare us. I have a date in 10 minutes.
very long link, kind of interesting. I don't really see anything there speaking to my point. Did you have something particular in mind?
My point was that he would be incapable of working under the authority of someone to aid some goal that he wasn't the principal founder of or something. In that light, his attempt to make the glibc guy knuckle under is hypocritical.
Yeah, I think its very clear from his behaviour that he actually stands for the exact opposite of free open source SW. He is just a bitter guy who the world has passed by, and every once in a while he pops his head in and start ranting about how he is so important and everyone should give him creadit. Just remember, one man, one credit - linus!
you know, the thing is that people who "pass up" money actually really would never have cut it in the first place. Not only is he extremely anti-social, but what do you think would hve happened the first time someone told him to do something?
Hmmmmm?
Yeah, its really hard to actually have a conversation on this site. All these stupid slashbots want to do is yell very loudly until they hear themselves think. Since they can't think very well, they have to yell very very loudly. I have such great despise for all these stupid menial people. They should all just be quiet and let someone as intelligent as I am talk. The situation is simply despicable.
Long live the gay alien wiccan homosexual conspiracy to liberate RMS from green alien anal probes for justice, truth, and the microsoft way.
That's exactly right. If RMS thinks that GNU means free libre, then why don't we just call linux "free linux". Oh that's right, we already do. Therefore GNU doesn't really mean free libre, does it?
Well, you are obviously a troll, but I'm going to respond to you anyway. At least have the courage not to post anonymously next time you coward.
Stallman will not win. He will lose and he will lose big time. Anyone who wastes all his creative energies trying to make people think they B (GNU/linux) when they really meant A (linux) is a total twit. linux is UNIX, and RMS sure as hell didn't invent UNIX. Its the same reason we say Windows, and not cheap temporary workers/Windows. Who cares about the cheap temporary workers? Lets be a man and give the CEO (linus) all the credit. Why bother with the others. They can be replaced.
Basically some people tolerate him now, but that will change. Anyone who has to speak so loudly to say so little will find that entropy catches up with them really really fast.
GPL is his way of preventing people from freezing him out of projects he got kicked out of because he was too anti-social. Whose purpose does that serve again?
However, The point is really really clear.
Most people in the FSF are complete morons who
wave around a piece of paper and try to say that they get what decide.
Did our so called constitution prevent us from killing indians or beating black people? Do
corporate charters prevent hostile takeovers by the competition?
Does some reformer writing "we are all now free in perpetuity" make anything free?
No it does not.
I bet you microsoft could pay each of the FSF sc members 10,000 dollars and they would throw away their morals an assign all the GNU copyrights to microsoft. What's that you say? RMS is too nice for that. Think again.
That would be really really funny.
As far as I am concerned this just shows what the russians and the germans have learned the hard way. Put a man of ability behind any well fleshed out ideology and the ideology will quickly do his bidding. And, for all you small minded fools out there, the ideologies of communism and fascism held together a lot better than this GPL tripe which is basically written to preserve the personal power of some FSF old-timers..
Yeah its funny how "the human spirit of innovation and creativity" tend to sell out. Its is painfully obvious that most people abandon their idelogical positions just as soon as it becomes convenient for them.
In fact, people who take ideological positions are the worst kind of hypocrites and it just takes a very simple turn of events to expose them. The degree to which this happens, when tech wannabe's think their shit is better than someone else's (insert big company here) shit, is trully mammoth in proportion.
Actually its funny that this article about "reforms" came up. When you do get to broadband you will find that the earth has already been scorched. Slashdot, like most major media refuses to run stories on how the major broadband ISPs are blocking random ports at random times. In particular lately there have been tons of stories on code red, but nothing about BY FAR its biggest fallout. AT & T has blocked incoming port 80, completely refusing to justify and widely advertise its action.
Those of use that remember, are starting to have painful flashbacks to the times when you had very little choice in phone services. The breakup really did nothing to improve that. It merely replaced regional monopolies with slightly smaller monopolies, while at the same time providing political cover to say something was actually done.
As usual, slashdot, prints random tidbits that some monkey stumbled on, but the only real editor we have is the emotionally unstable John Katz, who helps no-one.
What this article is really talking about is the fact that the REAL plan is to first co-opt broadband to remove interactivity from it, and only then to actually let the public have it. They let a few lab-rat areas have it. Once they figured out how the public will screw them, they have to close off the holes and THEN screw the customer.
Actually its funny that you should say that. When you do get to broadband you will find that the earth has already been scorched. Slashdot, like most major media refuses to run stories on how the major broadband ISPs are blocking random ports at random times. In particular lately there have been tons of stories on code red, but nothing about BY FAR its biggest fallout. AT & T has blocked incoming port 80, completely refusing to justify and widely advertise its action.
Those of use that remember, are starting to have painful flashbacks to the times when you had very little choice in phone services. The breakup really did nothing to improve that. It merely replaced regional monopolies with slightly smaller monopolies, while at the same time providing political cover to say something was actually done.
As usual, slashdot, prints random tidbits that some monkey stubled on, but the only real editor we have is the emotionally unstable John Katz, who help no-one.
exactly. I'm going to drop kick the next asian I see. Now I realize the error of my ways. He doesn't know kung fu so he won't be able to defend himself.
So, I got a question for you. What if my default action with snakes is to shoot them in the head on the off chance that they might be poisonous? Do you think its my actions that are the problem or my perceptions? Specifically my perceptions which cause me to react extremely antisocially to all members of a certain group based on some small past ecxperience. Also, I'm sure you would agree, that I can't take the chance of any snake being poisonous, ever.
I see.... 120 million on a satelite that can analyze global events for civilians and possibly prove global warming and monitor pollution offenders is too much, but 300 billion on butt plugs for people wearing gas masks in the army is OK. Oh well. I guess they are really snazzy butt plugs.
I have:
secret list of porn sites that i don't want anyone else visiting, list of hot stars panty colors at the oscars, plans for new code blue virus, eating habits of the overweight, insider stock tips of cow manure futures, secret plan to do nothing to the world, secret plans for excercise program that works while you are excercising, bad meat collection location, squirell fishing pictures. I definitely don't want myself finding out that I have these.
IPsec is yet one more protocol made and bought into by morons. The key exchange occurs in plain text. What part of "completely unrelated to security" don't you people understand?
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wow! he's been working on this troll for 10 years! Are the trolls going to throw a party for him?
You are right, he really dumbed this one down and took out all the negative parts about his kind
His original troll
Right..... Its OK for him to insult the people that raise our kids, but its not OK for me to insult him..... He must be IMPORTANT. 10 Bucks says all 15 of his PHDs against 15 average science teachers in, lets say biology, would send half the kids home crying.
People understand as much science as they need to, no more no less. Why should they learn more, especially more physics? So this guy can give more talks?
If you think I'm bitter, try actually being a physics professor like Goldstein. Then you get to write articles attacking the people who raise our kids and everyone starts thinking you are a genius.
Democracy -- the theory that the people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard -- HL Mencken
I agree with you completely on the real basis of his article. In fact the article is a reaction to his own cultural irrelevance (and rightly so, we need less of him).
It is well known, for anyone who cares, that our school system is based on the prussian (and Nazi) war model.
Origins of modern war model educational system used in most states
Current HS Physics and physics grad school is merely a continuation of this.
Want better flowers? Care for your own garden and don't worry about your neighborhood's property values. You are growing flowers, remember?
You are so right. I was a physics major also, and what you say resonates with me. People like goldstein aren't interested in education or learning. Especially if that learning doesn't involve him. If he was, he would make a trivial effort to understand people's concerns, instead of being manipulated by the religious right school voucher group planting stories in his local media saying "education BAAAD".
In terms of the prussian thing, have you seen this:
Origins of modern war model educational system used in most states
It would be called McSweenys like in stainless steel rat :)
right, and therefore all these brilliant people you talk about VALUE MONEY! Unlike you. Get out you foreigner.
Did anyone else notice the fact that this retard is from Caltech? For those of you that don't know, Caltech has a reputation for producing a bunch people who are able to get very high grades at the expense of nearly everything else in their lives. Nothing creative and really cool ever came from Caltech. The cool stuff came from the hippies at Berkley. I was a science major and I have heard numerous stories about extremely smart people going to Caltech and crying themselves to sleep because these idiots tested and prodded them like lab rats. These are people that would have had a highly rewarding college experience anywhere else.
:) ) and the money should be immediately eliminated from the gene pool. Personally I respect my teachers very much. Looks like this guy doesn't respect YOUR teacher and wants everyone to major in something useless like physics. Elitists like him are why no one majors in physics anymore. It was cool when physics people were actually doing something closer to 1900. Now they are just a bunch of specialized mindless robots. Oh, they try, how they try. Too bad the best advice they can give you is not to major in physics.
Is this the kind of education we want for our children?
Never mind the fact that this guy writes on a third grade level, and uses a highly highly suspect inflammatory vocabulary. Anyone who uses the words: "elite" and [non reading related] "illiterate" is quite simply a moron who has trouble accepting that 99% of people out there don't play by the same rules you do. That's why the trolls love to talk about 1337 haxxors. That kind of black and white twisted vocabulary a sign of someone who categorizes things to make them match their own psychological problems.
So I guess his major complaint is that the rich brilliant businessmen in Texas don't give this guy any respect and treat him like dirt, yet everyone looks up to them. Awwwww. Couldn't past this test, could you, you "physics major".
I think its a good thing our teaching salaries are kept close to average wage. Just like in government, anyone who goes in it for the power (no power in teaching?
I guess the only use for his 15 phds that this guy can think of is to teach children. No thanks. Spare us your great and wonderful intellectual abilities. Please spare us. I have a date in 10 minutes.
very long link, kind of interesting. I don't really see anything there speaking to my point. Did you have something particular in mind?
My point was that he would be incapable of working under the authority of someone to aid some goal that he wasn't the principal founder of or something. In that light, his attempt to make the glibc guy knuckle under is hypocritical.
Yeah, I think its very clear from his behaviour that he actually stands for the exact opposite of free open source SW. He is just a bitter guy who the world has passed by, and every once in a while he pops his head in and start ranting about how he is so important and everyone should give him creadit. Just remember, one man, one credit - linus!
you know, the thing is that people who "pass up" money actually really would never have cut it in the first place. Not only is he extremely anti-social, but what do you think would hve happened the first time someone told him to do something?
Hmmmmm?
Yeah, its really hard to actually have a conversation on this site. All these stupid slashbots want to do is yell very loudly until they hear themselves think. Since they can't think very well, they have to yell very very loudly. I have such great despise for all these stupid menial people. They should all just be quiet and let someone as intelligent as I am talk. The situation is simply despicable.
Long live the gay alien wiccan homosexual conspiracy to liberate RMS from green alien anal probes for justice, truth, and the microsoft way.
France is Troll #1 !
That's exactly right. If RMS thinks that GNU means free libre, then why don't we just call linux "free linux". Oh that's right, we already do. Therefore GNU doesn't really mean free libre, does it?
I think what you really meant to say was "Heil Hitler!"
Well, you are obviously a troll, but I'm going to respond to you anyway. At least have the courage not to post anonymously next time you coward.
Stallman will not win. He will lose and he will lose big time. Anyone who wastes all his creative energies trying to make people think they B (GNU/linux) when they really meant A (linux) is a total twit. linux is UNIX, and RMS sure as hell didn't invent UNIX. Its the same reason we say Windows, and not cheap temporary workers/Windows. Who cares about the cheap temporary workers? Lets be a man and give the CEO (linus) all the credit. Why bother with the others. They can be replaced.
Basically some people tolerate him now, but that will change. Anyone who has to speak so loudly to say so little will find that entropy catches up with them really really fast.
GPL is his way of preventing people from freezing him out of projects he got kicked out of because he was too anti-social. Whose purpose does that serve again?
Nice quote.
However, The point is really really clear.
Most people in the FSF are complete morons who
wave around a piece of paper and try to say that they get what decide.
Did our so called constitution prevent us from killing indians or beating black people? Do
corporate charters prevent hostile takeovers by the competition?
Does some reformer writing "we are all now free in perpetuity" make anything free?
No it does not.
I bet you microsoft could pay each of the FSF sc members 10,000 dollars and they would throw away their morals an assign all the GNU copyrights to microsoft. What's that you say? RMS is too nice for that. Think again.
That would be really really funny.
As far as I am concerned this just shows what the russians and the germans have learned the hard way. Put a man of ability behind any well fleshed out ideology and the ideology will quickly do his bidding. And, for all you small minded fools out there, the ideologies of communism and fascism held together a lot better than this GPL tripe which is basically written to preserve the personal power of some FSF old-timers..
yes, but there is actually more of OUR money, giving us a decided financial advantage.
you meant to say with a legal department on crack, didn't you?
Yeah its funny how "the human spirit of innovation and creativity" tend to sell out. Its is painfully obvious that most people abandon their idelogical positions just as soon as it becomes convenient for them.
In fact, people who take ideological positions are the worst kind of hypocrites and it just takes a very simple turn of events to expose them. The degree to which this happens, when tech wannabe's think their shit is better than someone else's (insert big company here) shit, is trully mammoth in proportion.
Actually its funny that this article about "reforms" came up. When you do get to broadband you will find that the earth has already been scorched. Slashdot, like most major media refuses to run stories on how the major broadband ISPs are blocking random ports at random times. In particular lately there have been tons of stories on code red, but nothing about BY FAR its biggest fallout. AT & T has blocked incoming port 80, completely refusing to justify and widely advertise its action.
Those of use that remember, are starting to have painful flashbacks to the times when you had very little choice in phone services. The breakup really did nothing to improve that. It merely replaced regional monopolies with slightly smaller monopolies, while at the same time providing political cover to say something was actually done.
As usual, slashdot, prints random tidbits that some monkey stumbled on, but the only real editor we have is the emotionally unstable John Katz, who helps no-one.
What this article is really talking about is the fact that the REAL plan is to first co-opt broadband to remove interactivity from it, and only then to actually let the public have it. They let a few lab-rat areas have it. Once they figured out how the public will screw them, they have to close off the holes and THEN screw the customer.
Actually its funny that you should say that. When you do get to broadband you will find that the earth has already been scorched. Slashdot, like most major media refuses to run stories on how the major broadband ISPs are blocking random ports at random times. In particular lately there have been tons of stories on code red, but nothing about BY FAR its biggest fallout. AT & T has blocked incoming port 80, completely refusing to justify and widely advertise its action.
Those of use that remember, are starting to have painful flashbacks to the times when you had very little choice in phone services. The breakup really did nothing to improve that. It merely replaced regional monopolies with slightly smaller monopolies, while at the same time providing political cover to say something was actually done.
As usual, slashdot, prints random tidbits that some monkey stubled on, but the only real editor we have is the emotionally unstable John Katz, who help no-one.
exactly, anyone who has picked up ANY knife magazine for the last god knows how many years would have seen ads for damascus knives.
Evidently, no-one at the holy slashdot editorial office or at the Chicago tribune has the minimal intelligence required to do so.
exactly. I'm going to drop kick the next asian I see. Now I realize the error of my ways. He doesn't know kung fu so he won't be able to defend himself.
So, I got a question for you. What if my default action with snakes is to shoot them in the head on the off chance that they might be poisonous? Do you think its my actions that are the problem or my perceptions? Specifically my perceptions which cause me to react extremely antisocially to all members of a certain group based on some small past ecxperience. Also, I'm sure you would agree, that I can't take the chance of any snake being poisonous, ever.
I see.... 120 million on a satelite that can analyze global events for civilians and possibly prove global warming and monitor pollution offenders is too much, but 300 billion on butt plugs for people wearing gas masks in the army is OK. Oh well. I guess they are really snazzy butt plugs.
I have:
secret list of porn sites that i don't want anyone else visiting, list of hot stars panty colors at the oscars, plans for new code blue virus, eating habits of the overweight, insider stock tips of cow manure futures, secret plan to do nothing to the world, secret plans for excercise program that works while you are excercising, bad meat collection location, squirell fishing pictures. I definitely don't want myself finding out that I have these.
IPsec is yet one more protocol made and bought into by morons. The key exchange occurs in plain text. What part of "completely unrelated to security" don't you people understand?