Here is one good reason. Identical interface across all future products.
Not from a user's perspective. Future products include ipad 9, galaxy s VIII, next week's box of cereal etc. None of them is likely to have identical interface as "window" 8.
Right-Click in the lower left corner (where Start appears), select
Why do you think this is obvious? And if it is not obvious, how is it not clearly bad UI? Because Microsoft paid you to spout this on slashdot?
There are so many ways to shut down the computer it's crazy.
But the one used by 99% of non power users is not obvious anymore. Users have been dissuaded from directly pressing power button because at times they used to press it for more than 5 seconds and motherboard powered off the system without a " safe " shutdown, without which windows used to take an hour to start the next time with corrupted files. The other ways are non obvious, deliberately hidden from discoverability.
Ok, time traveller from 2005. This is 2012, software sources can be edited from GUI for more than 6 years now, by properly asking for password for euro.
Undoubtedly . Still number of processor + motherboard combinations would remain around the same as current number of motherboard variations, with the specialities I listed above.
Of course now it's all moot since Intel has reassured of LGA availability for the foreseeable future.
Maybe they knew this UI doesn't work on desktops/laptops. But still decided it is profitable to go with it.
You see, desktop+laptop market is stagnant. Not really rising. And a large part of it doesn't have a choice - Microsoft's "monopoly" ensures that Windows 8 will sell even if it is very bad.
But at the same time, showing the "modern" UI to users forcibly many times a day, by making shutdown / start application etc. activities "modern" UI only, they make their captive audience familiar with this modern UI. Such people find it easier when they see the same UI on phones / tablets.
Same is true if a poster creates a different account for each post, or cycle a large number of accounts. Do you similarly scoff at accounts with less than 20 posts in last one year?
Google's applications have wisely been kept separate from the OS during the design, before even the outcry over fragmentation began. To be "concerned", they would need to face the issue first. They never did before designing it this way.
It is a phone OS. Whom do you believe it should serve? Phone owner? Website owners?
Let us see it from the point of view of the phone owner. If the owner of the website decides to support Android 2.2 browsers, great. If not, download Opera for free.
Now take the example of the other extreme of iOS upgrade unidirectional treadmill. No going back. You can't test on your own phone whether your use cases are satisfied by the new OS. No going back.
Software upgrades need testing. Any amount of propaganda from Apple cannot make it false. Any one knowing Software 101 will not suggest fixing what isn't broken. But since Apple needs paying beta testers for its own mapping solution, it doesn't allow downgrades for proven broken upgrades. I can understand you Americans like your shafting from corporations into whose solutions you deliberately lock yourself into, but boasting about it?
Not only browser, Android 2.2 owners can (and many do) override default applications with custom messaging application, launcher, phone dialer, contacts manager, camera, media players, photo viewer etc. Google updates the Maps application on Froyo devices still. A Froyo phone can very well be running very up-to-date version of all applications that the user directly interacts with, easily last month's. Without losing warranty. With iOS, most default applications cannot be overridden, so people are stuck with an average software age of six months (assuming yearly OS release cycle).
It is weirder than that. Google just updated the out-of-box Maps app of my backup Froyo (2.2) phone. There are better alternatives to messaging app, phone dialer app, browser, launcher etc., which are all on their respective "latest" versions on my Froyo phone. So the Froyo phone is actually running software released last week, rather than most iOS devices which run the important software listed above of an average age of 6 months (if iOS upgrades are released every year and installed immediately). Which one is running more up-to-date software ? No rooting / jailbreaking / warranty voiding either. And all free apps too.
My daily phone is running a bastard child of Gingerbread and ICS, so I will not mention it, though the base OS of this phone has features the latest JB 4.2 doesn't.
slashdot rhetoric (which is overwhelmingly pro Android)
You have some stats for this? I see you posting a lot, and you are far from "pro Android". Many others fall in similar categories as you, though most (I hope) would be neutral in this regard.
While nothing specific about the post might be overrated, but in general overrated on unmoderated comment is not really a contradiction. For a hypothetical non-AC post which is by default at score 1; some moderator might genuinely feel that 1 is too much of a score for the low-quality post. Hence overrated might make sense.
Do you know how we can write to log files in functional languages? For any diagnosability in a program, logging is essential. "Log" is a difficult word to search these days, so couldn't find much on my intial research.
Human concentration is limited. During actually walking around or while in awkward postures, a human cannot be expected to do heavy inputting into a device. Only reading from the device, and light input like checking a box, one or two words typing at a time etc are humanly possible. (The multi-tasking geniuses like the guy who writes independent texts with both the hands are an extremely small niche, though.)
Such light inputting is highly unlikely to be a specialized application, because the problem can be reduced to collecting input at "run time" and later collating into the specialized application.
All the entrenched windows applications like pro-engineer, AUTOCAD, Photoshop, visual studio etc. need heavy input concentration and cannot be humanly used effectively while on the go. The ones that can be, are easily reduced to a webapp or an application for IOS, Android or WINRT.
No, the internets were full of horror stories of Vista in early days of windows 7, so buyers of windows 7 licenses were actually likely to use them and not exercise the downgrade rights massively. Now the internets are full of stability stories of windows 7, and usability nightmare of windows 8, so users are expected to exercise downgrade rights massively. Not remotely comparable, regardless of your attempts to hide the difference.
Ok, so Microsoft won't release real figures for WP sales, talk in riddles in the form of 400% etc, and WE are supposed to take them seriously? Win 8 license sales being meaningless as they could as well be sales to OEMs / corporates with downgrade rights who will actually install Windows 7, but we are supposed to consider it news as if it actually meant something concrete? Chair monkey will publicly condemn craplets, but do nothing to prevent them in their next OS release, but we are not to take notice of the double standard ? And we are still to believe you are not a shill?
Isn't it too much to ask from us poor slashdotters?
Yes, and Microsoft has immunized users against questions from their computer using UAC so the user will say yes, do what you want and let me do my work. So yes, genius.
Yes, Germany has just annexed Austria. Nothing to worry. It is a long way to UK. Germany is sure to attack Poland too, but nothing to worry they are east European bastards that need a good spanking anyway.
Next year : OMG, we lost half RAF to fight Germany, we should have supported Poland/Austria and nipped it in the bud. Too late.
Secure boot is about protecting the end user? Because malware writers are too dumb to follow Matthew's public instructions, right?
come to think of it, nobody asked why Apple, who has historically imposed a price premium on its hardware, has never ever toyed with touchscreens on the mac...
Steve Jobs called it "gorilla arm syndrome". Human shoulders are not fit to keep arm aloft for extended periods of time.
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Here is one good reason. Identical interface across all future products.
Not from a user's perspective. Future products include ipad 9, galaxy s VIII, next week's box of cereal etc. None of them is likely to have identical interface as "window" 8.
first version of just about anything
Are you fucking illiterate? This is windows 8. 8th version not the first.
Right-Click in the lower left corner (where Start appears), select
Why do you think this is obvious? And if it is not obvious, how is it not clearly bad UI? Because Microsoft paid you to spout this on slashdot?
There are so many ways to shut down the computer it's crazy.
But the one used by 99% of non power users is not obvious anymore. Users have been dissuaded from directly pressing power button because at times they used to press it for more than 5 seconds and motherboard powered off the system without a " safe " shutdown, without which windows used to take an hour to start the next time with corrupted files. The other ways are non obvious, deliberately hidden from discoverability.
Ok, time traveller from 2005. This is 2012, software sources can be edited from GUI for more than 6 years now, by properly asking for password for euro.
Undoubtedly . Still number of processor + motherboard combinations would remain around the same as current number of motherboard variations, with the specialities I listed above.
Of course now it's all moot since Intel has reassured of LGA availability for the foreseeable future.
Maybe they knew this UI doesn't work on desktops/laptops. But still decided it is profitable to go with it.
You see, desktop+laptop market is stagnant. Not really rising. And a large part of it doesn't have a choice - Microsoft's "monopoly" ensures that Windows 8 will sell even if it is very bad.
But at the same time, showing the "modern" UI to users forcibly many times a day, by making shutdown / start application etc. activities "modern" UI only, they make their captive audience familiar with this modern UI. Such people find it easier when they see the same UI on phones / tablets.
Could be a sound strategy.
Stupid slashdot has removed parent link from the mobile interface (mbeta...)
Same is true if a poster creates a different account for each post, or cycle a large number of accounts. Do you similarly scoff at accounts with less than 20 posts in last one year?
Google's applications have wisely been kept separate from the OS during the design, before even the outcry over fragmentation began. To be "concerned", they would need to face the issue first. They never did before designing it this way.
The trouble is that especially for a hobby site that might only be paying $120 per year or less for hosting
Which is why my first and most important question :
It is a phone OS. Whom do you believe it should serve? Phone owner? Website owners?
StatCounter implies that 63% of Android users still require a dedicated IPv4 address for each SSL certificate:
What do they imply about the percentage of websites (weighted by mobile page hits) that do not have the dedicated address?
Would you like your device to be upgraded, break your use cases and then be un-downgradable?
It is a phone OS. Whom do you believe it should serve? Phone owner? Website owners?
Let us see it from the point of view of the phone owner. If the owner of the website decides to support Android 2.2 browsers, great. If not, download Opera for free.
Now take the example of the other extreme of iOS upgrade unidirectional treadmill. No going back. You can't test on your own phone whether your use cases are satisfied by the new OS. No going back.
Software upgrades need testing. Any amount of propaganda from Apple cannot make it false. Any one knowing Software 101 will not suggest fixing what isn't broken. But since Apple needs paying beta testers for its own mapping solution, it doesn't allow downgrades for proven broken upgrades. I can understand you Americans like your shafting from corporations into whose solutions you deliberately lock yourself into, but boasting about it?
Not only browser, Android 2.2 owners can (and many do) override default applications with custom messaging application, launcher, phone dialer, contacts manager, camera, media players, photo viewer etc. Google updates the Maps application on Froyo devices still. A Froyo phone can very well be running very up-to-date version of all applications that the user directly interacts with, easily last month's. Without losing warranty. With iOS, most default applications cannot be overridden, so people are stuck with an average software age of six months (assuming yearly OS release cycle).
It is weirder than that. Google just updated the out-of-box Maps app of my backup Froyo (2.2) phone. There are better alternatives to messaging app, phone dialer app, browser, launcher etc., which are all on their respective "latest" versions on my Froyo phone. So the Froyo phone is actually running software released last week, rather than most iOS devices which run the important software listed above of an average age of 6 months (if iOS upgrades are released every year and installed immediately). Which one is running more up-to-date software ? No rooting / jailbreaking / warranty voiding either. And all free apps too.
My daily phone is running a bastard child of Gingerbread and ICS, so I will not mention it, though the base OS of this phone has features the latest JB 4.2 doesn't.
They do on iOS.
And repent.
Repeat after me : Do. Not. Fix. What. Isn't. Broken.
slashdot rhetoric (which is overwhelmingly pro Android)
You have some stats for this? I see you posting a lot, and you are far from "pro Android". Many others fall in similar categories as you, though most (I hope) would be neutral in this regard.
While nothing specific about the post might be overrated, but in general overrated on unmoderated comment is not really a contradiction. For a hypothetical non-AC post which is by default at score 1; some moderator might genuinely feel that 1 is too much of a score for the low-quality post. Hence overrated might make sense.
Do you know how we can write to log files in functional languages? For any diagnosability in a program, logging is essential.
"Log" is a difficult word to search these days, so couldn't find much on my intial research.
thanks
Human concentration is limited. During actually walking around or while in awkward postures, a human cannot be expected to do heavy inputting into a device. Only reading from the device, and light input like checking a box, one or two words typing at a time etc are humanly possible. (The multi-tasking geniuses like the guy who writes independent texts with both the hands are an extremely small niche, though.)
Such light inputting is highly unlikely to be a specialized application, because the problem can be reduced to collecting input at "run time" and later collating into the specialized application.
All the entrenched windows applications like pro-engineer, AUTOCAD, Photoshop, visual studio etc. need heavy input concentration and cannot be humanly used effectively while on the go. The ones that can be, are easily reduced to a webapp or an application for IOS, Android or WINRT.
AND windows 7 didn't need 70% discount to reach those number of licenses sold, like windows 8 did.
No, the internets were full of horror stories of Vista in early days of windows 7, so buyers of windows 7 licenses were actually likely to use them and not exercise the downgrade rights massively. Now the internets are full of stability stories of windows 7, and usability nightmare of windows 8, so users are expected to exercise downgrade rights massively. Not remotely comparable, regardless of your attempts to hide the difference.
Ok, so Microsoft won't release real figures for WP sales, talk in riddles in the form of 400% etc, and WE are supposed to take them seriously? Win 8 license sales being meaningless as they could as well be sales to OEMs / corporates with downgrade rights who will actually install Windows 7, but we are supposed to consider it news as if it actually meant something concrete? Chair monkey will publicly condemn craplets, but do nothing to prevent them in their next OS release, but we are not to take notice of the double standard ? And we are still to believe you are not a shill?
Isn't it too much to ask from us poor slashdotters?
Yes, and Microsoft has immunized users against questions from their computer using UAC so the user will say yes, do what you want and let me do my work. So yes, genius.
Yes, Germany has just annexed Austria. Nothing to worry. It is a long way to UK. Germany is sure to attack Poland too, but nothing to worry they are east European bastards that need a good spanking anyway.
Next year : OMG, we lost half RAF to fight Germany, we should have supported Poland /Austria and nipped it in the bud. Too late.
Secure boot is about protecting the end user? Because malware writers are too dumb to follow Matthew's public instructions, right?
come to think of it, nobody asked why Apple, who has historically imposed a price premium on its hardware, has never ever toyed with touchscreens on the mac...
Steve Jobs called it "gorilla arm syndrome". Human shoulders are not fit to keep arm aloft for extended periods of time.
Nice sig.
Someone is giving us these headlines free (as in Bohr).
It is Denmark. You would rather worry about frozen beer in tap.