The placebo effect however is IRRELEVANT to the question whether homeopathy works or not, since it's not a characteristic of homeopathy
How is "characteristic" defined ?
Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a system of alternative medicine created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of like cures like (similia similibus curentur), a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people and that extreme dilutions of a substance can retain the magical essence of the substance. Homeopathy is a pseudoscience â" a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific.
Irrelevant. An air conditioner created for voodoo purposes works exactly as an air conditioner created for cooling one's living room , if the air conditioner is otherwise identical. Why, how, with what purpose or while smoking what drugs homeopathy / air conditioner is created is irrelevant.
Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition.
Demonstrably false. I am about to demonstrate that you demonstrated it to be false. Look for GOTCHA.
1)You have homeopathy without a placebo effect: this does not work
2 points : A. How do you remove Charles' law from the world ? Or how do you remove placebo effect from the world ?
B. Once you succeed in removing Charles' law from the world, air conditioner may not work either. We might never know, unless you answer the questions in point A.
2)You have homeopathy with a placebo effect: this has a small effect
Contrast with your statement "Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition". GOTCHA.
You have regular medicine without a placebo effect: this has a great effect
Not always. Antibiotics fail. "Regular medicine" for many health issues are merely relieving symptoms while hoping the underlying issue cures by itself - bone fracture without much dislocation, many viral diseases, many cancers are examples.
Unless you redefined "great effect" to pop the pill and hope for other phenomenon than the pill to cure the problem.
4)You have regular medicine with a placebo effect: this has a great effect + an added small effect
Combination of multiple earlier idiocies.
It means that the placebo effect has a small effect, regular medicine has a great effect, and homeopathy has NO EFFECT.
Charles law has a small effect, air conditioner built with cooling intent has great effect, same air conditioner built with voodoo purposes has NO EFFECT ?
When something does not work, it does not work, and numerous scientific double-blind tests (the only ones you can eliminate bias and wrong convictions with) have shown homeopathy does not work
No, they don't show homeopathy doesn't work. They show it is not better than placebo.
Nope, Charles's law is not inserted into the air conditioner when manufacturing it.
I never said placebo effect is an "integral part" of homeopathic medicine. Read properly. I said it is "the phenomenon by which human beings understand" it.
If homeopathic medicine doesn't always work, neither does an air conditioner.
"Homeopathic medicine works" does not become wrong just by stating the effect (placebo effect ) that humans use to understand the phenomenon.
Just as "air conditioner works" doesn't become wrong by stating Charles's law. You don't hear educated people saying that it is not the air conditioner that is working, but the Charles's law is working.
Ok, I like experiments, how about you make the claim falsifiable?
1. Few years : need exact date after which we can take measurements on any date
2. Very hard : what exactly does it mean? Amazon may not exist or change its business model completely, so a claim based on Amazon or a specific seller may not be good enough.
3. Don't connect : what exactly does it mean ? If it connects to the grid electricity which can be manipulated to send / receive data to power company, but we are not sure ?
4. "Appliances" : what does it mean ? Would you select a specific type of appliance (say toaster) and place all bets on it ? Or define painstakingly the class of appliances you are talking about ?
like thinking homeopathic medicine actually works - as it's widely regarded by the populace as well.
So it is correct then. Because homeopathic medicine does work. Roughly as well as a placebo, but placebos work too.
Now try to get the context. Each of the words you use in your post have a meaning only because they are "widely regarded" to mean something in particular. Communication with humans works like that.
Highly trained professionals shun common terminology partly because of this reason - the listener of the communication is always right in common terminology. One doesn't want technical communication to be like that, so doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, engineers have developed their own terminology which one works for years to learn, understand and expect to be understood, with reduced ambiguity.
If the country were one in which car drivers were required to learn the car company lingo for years, or even months, you might have had a point. Although you have conceded the point by comparing it to homeopathic medicine.
It can be one of the tools in censorship. You also have to kill the author, anyone who has memorized the work, destroy all soft copies, keep killing people and destroying copies whenever they surface.
When books only existed in hard copies, destroying all representations of the book, conveniently by burning, used to be a large proportion of the work needed to censor.
Of course, my definition of censorship is - prevention of dissemination of information. If yours requires it be done by government, fair enough. Call it something else.
When terrorist attacks are being carried out by people already suspected of being terrorists there's a failure in the system. You need to act before the crime is commited, not afterwards, else what's the point?
The point completely depends on
1. the proportion of false positives in the number of "people already suspected of being terrorists".
2. action that is proposed against the "suspected" people
If false positives is 1 out of 1000 i.e. only one actually carries out the terrorist attacks out of 1000, the point is "waste of resources".
If the number of false positives is not much, if proposed action takes any of their rights, the point is "innocent before proven guilty".
No, addition in income is additive. Inflation is multiplicative.
The two functions are very different, so shape of graph is going to change drastically. Some things becoming cheaper, some dearer. "Just enough" inflation to make UBI meaningless is impossible.
E.g. every body earning 2000 more dollars a month. For people earning 100000 before that, there is 2% increase, for people earning 20000 before that, it is aa 10% increase.
Now chicken becoming 20% more expensive still means poorer people can now afford some chicken if they were not able to afford it at all before UBI.
The existing anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere was in a large part placed there by the US (and other countries of today's developed nations). If the rest of the world goes through the same cycle of emitting a lot of CO2 before getting below the today's US levels, the world is in deep shit.
So tell me, with this CO2 enabled prosperity, why shouldn't the US help today's developing countries lower their CO2 production faster, with technology and know-how the US generated while being the single largest producer of CO2 for decades ?
Then you don't want hard enough to switch to Linux. Enjoy the pervert OS for its toys. Like the somewhat paradoxical and dishonest "I'd really want to go out with you but I need to watch paint dry", you don't really want to switch to Linux but you are just pretending.
Moms should tell kids to not follow perverts for toys. Sometimes kids don't listen anyway.
How many of these services do you really need ? Instead of want.
Gmail has an uptime of nearly 99.99%. Storage in tens of GBs. It can sustain a bandwidth of 20 MB/s. Very few people need it. A 100 MB 98% uptime , 100 kbps email service would work for most of the people who cannot pay much for it, or cannot pay at all. Basic advertisements without any tracking would pay for it, like it did 20 years ago, with hardware and network prices much lower today.
Remember 99.99% uptime is much more expensive to provide than 99.9% uptime.
Also, for people with only privacy+eyeballs to sell, privacy+eyeballs has much less value to any advertiser. Most advertisers are hoping to get privacy+eyeballs of a rich guy, or at least a poor guy ready to borrow and spend.
I wonder at this "Trump is stupid " claim. Wouldn't it need extreme intelligence to fool a hundred million people ? The average man can barely fool 5 at once.
To do so in a career switch at 70 , overcoming lifelong professional people foolers should put him in genius category.
It is entirely possible that this intelligence is mainly focused towards fooling people, so being president may not be what he excels in, maybe particularly bad in. But superhuman intelligence in any field eliminates the possibility of him being stupid, don't you think ?
Firstly all this is irrelevant because i was pointing out that you were incorrectly assuming that phantomfive was saying that all blame lay with Microsoft. He wasn't, and you did not give any arguments to support the position that he was.
Once you acknowledge your mistake that i pointed out above, you might get somewhere . Or not.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Purely from a completeness perspective, if you change it to past continuous you might have a all W sentence - W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who was washing Waldo Woo.
Adblocker blocker is surely a deal-breaker. That reminds me - don't you think public unwillingness to pay for news causes a lot of clickbaity-ness of the news ? If "causes" is a strong word - at least it is a factor in prevention of popularity of serious news.
A small minority paying for online news won't matter - print is going down, and online news doesn't have enough paying subscribers. Idiots are a good market - they will watch advertisements, buy the advertised goods, and they need nice clickbait articles to visit again.
The "mankind changing for the better" nearly always happened during times of rising prosperity. Economic fears and stagnation brings out the worst in people.
That is right , but it was invented and was most effective when most ways of interacting intensively with people far away was physically traveling with one's body to the far away location. Now with 1. international businesses with telephone and video conferences 2. 24-hour work time + 24-hour personal time
, those advantages matter a bit less. The disadvantages - of having to know various timezones to be able to inform people are surfacing more than earlier.
This is not to say universal time solves all problems. But this much is true that once tele-commuting becomes even more common where one just stays at a pleasant place and conduct business across the world at one's own schedule - some advantages of the current system vanish and some disadvantages glare more.
For now, it is easy to have multiple clocks on your watch / computer / phone for people who actually deal with different time-zones, and rest of the world doesn't give a damn.
I drink a 12oz bottle of Coke when I wake up every morning which is, hold on... 1.5c. Does that fall in the "just want to drink something" or "thirsty" category?
You might be right, but Amazon calls W-Deals a seller. That doesn't mean law will also call W-Deals a seller for this particular transaction.
It is crudely like Amazon calls your account number Prime, but a mathematician when provided with the number might find many prime factors of the account number and refuse to accept the account number as prime. A word has different meanings in different contexts, and especially for marketing many words are misused e.g. prime, privileged, Gold/Silver/Platinum, "Free", "Unlimited".
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The placebo effect however is IRRELEVANT to the question whether homeopathy works or not, since it's not a characteristic of homeopathy
How is "characteristic" defined ?
Homeopathy or homoeopathy is a system of alternative medicine created in 1796 by Samuel Hahnemann, based on his doctrine of like cures like (similia similibus curentur), a claim that a substance that causes the symptoms of a disease in healthy people would cure similar symptoms in sick people and that extreme dilutions of a substance can retain the magical essence of the substance. Homeopathy is a pseudoscience â" a belief that is incorrectly presented as scientific.
Irrelevant. An air conditioner created for voodoo purposes works exactly as an air conditioner created for cooling one's living room , if the air conditioner is otherwise identical. Why, how, with what purpose or while smoking what drugs homeopathy / air conditioner is created is irrelevant.
Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition.
Demonstrably false. I am about to demonstrate that you demonstrated it to be false. Look for GOTCHA.
1)You have homeopathy without a placebo effect: this does not work
2 points :
A. How do you remove Charles' law from the world ? Or how do you remove placebo effect from the world ?
B. Once you succeed in removing Charles' law from the world, air conditioner may not work either. We might never know, unless you answer the questions in point A.
2)You have homeopathy with a placebo effect: this has a small effect
Contrast with your statement "Homeopathic preparations are not effective for treating any condition". GOTCHA.
You have regular medicine without a placebo effect: this has a great effect
Not always. Antibiotics fail. "Regular medicine" for many health issues are merely relieving symptoms while hoping the underlying issue cures by itself - bone fracture without much dislocation, many viral diseases, many cancers are examples.
Unless you redefined "great effect" to pop the pill and hope for other phenomenon than the pill to cure the problem.
4)You have regular medicine with a placebo effect: this has a great effect + an added small effect
Combination of multiple earlier idiocies.
It means that the placebo effect has a small effect, regular medicine has a great effect, and homeopathy has NO EFFECT.
Charles law has a small effect, air conditioner built with cooling intent has great effect, same air conditioner built with voodoo purposes has NO EFFECT ?
When something does not work, it does not work, and numerous scientific double-blind tests (the only ones you can eliminate bias and wrong convictions with) have shown homeopathy does not work
No, they don't show homeopathy doesn't work. They show it is not better than placebo.
Nope, Charles's law is not inserted into the air conditioner when manufacturing it.
I never said placebo effect is an "integral part" of homeopathic medicine. Read properly. I said it is "the phenomenon by which human beings understand" it.
If homeopathic medicine doesn't always work, neither does an air conditioner.
OK, one at a time.
"Homeopathic medicine works" does not become wrong just by stating the effect (placebo effect ) that humans use to understand the phenomenon.
Just as "air conditioner works" doesn't become wrong by stating Charles's law. You don't hear educated people saying that it is not the air conditioner that is working, but the Charles's law is working.
Ok, I like experiments, how about you make the claim falsifiable?
1. Few years : need exact date after which we can take measurements on any date
2. Very hard : what exactly does it mean? Amazon may not exist or change its business model completely, so a claim based on Amazon or a specific seller may not be good enough.
3. Don't connect : what exactly does it mean ? If it connects to the grid electricity which can be manipulated to send / receive data to power company, but we are not sure ?
4. "Appliances" : what does it mean ? Would you select a specific type of appliance (say toaster) and place all bets on it ? Or define painstakingly the class of appliances you are talking about ?
like thinking homeopathic medicine actually works - as it's widely regarded by the populace as well.
So it is correct then. Because homeopathic medicine does work. Roughly as well as a placebo, but placebos work too.
Now try to get the context. Each of the words you use in your post have a meaning only because they are "widely regarded" to mean something in particular. Communication with humans works like that.
Highly trained professionals shun common terminology partly because of this reason - the listener of the communication is always right in common terminology. One doesn't want technical communication to be like that, so doctors, lawyers, airline pilots, engineers have developed their own terminology which one works for years to learn, understand and expect to be understood, with reduced ambiguity.
If the country were one in which car drivers were required to learn the car company lingo for years, or even months, you might have had a point. Although you have conceded the point by comparing it to homeopathic medicine.
It can be one of the tools in censorship. You also have to kill the author, anyone who has memorized the work, destroy all soft copies, keep killing people and destroying copies whenever they surface.
When books only existed in hard copies, destroying all representations of the book, conveniently by burning, used to be a large proportion of the work needed to censor.
Of course, my definition of censorship is - prevention of dissemination of information. If yours requires it be done by government, fair enough. Call it something else.
Or maybe "people" are made of multiple individuals who don't necessarily agree. Shocking !
s / "If false positives is 1 out of 1000" / "If false positives is 999 out of 1000" /
When terrorist attacks are being carried out by people already suspected of being terrorists there's a failure in the system. You need to act before the crime is commited, not afterwards, else what's the point?
The point completely depends on
1. the proportion of false positives in the number of "people already suspected of being terrorists".
2. action that is proposed against the "suspected" people
If false positives is 1 out of 1000 i.e. only one actually carries out the terrorist attacks out of 1000, the point is "waste of resources".
If the number of false positives is not much, if proposed action takes any of their rights, the point is "innocent before proven guilty".
No, addition in income is additive. Inflation is multiplicative.
The two functions are very different, so shape of graph is going to change drastically. Some things becoming cheaper, some dearer. "Just enough" inflation to make UBI meaningless is impossible.
E.g. every body earning 2000 more dollars a month. For people earning 100000 before that, there is 2% increase, for people earning 20000 before that, it is aa 10% increase.
Now chicken becoming 20% more expensive still means poorer people can now afford some chicken if they were not able to afford it at all before UBI.
UBI introduces a zero error.
The existing anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere was in a large part placed there by the US (and other countries of today's developed nations). If the rest of the world goes through the same cycle of emitting a lot of CO2 before getting below the today's US levels, the world is in deep shit.
So tell me, with this CO2 enabled prosperity, why shouldn't the US help today's developing countries lower their CO2 production faster, with technology and know-how the US generated while being the single largest producer of CO2 for decades ?
Then you don't want hard enough to switch to Linux. Enjoy the pervert OS for its toys. Like the somewhat paradoxical and dishonest "I'd really want to go out with you but I need to watch paint dry", you don't really want to switch to Linux but you are just pretending.
Moms should tell kids to not follow perverts for toys. Sometimes kids don't listen anyway.
How many of these services do you really need ? Instead of want.
Gmail has an uptime of nearly 99.99%. Storage in tens of GBs. It can sustain a bandwidth of 20 MB/s. Very few people need it. A 100 MB 98% uptime , 100 kbps email service would work for most of the people who cannot pay much for it, or cannot pay at all. Basic advertisements without any tracking would pay for it, like it did 20 years ago, with hardware and network prices much lower today.
Remember 99.99% uptime is much more expensive to provide than 99.9% uptime.
Also, for people with only privacy+eyeballs to sell, privacy+eyeballs has much less value to any advertiser. Most advertisers are hoping to get privacy+eyeballs of a rich guy, or at least a poor guy ready to borrow and spend.
I wonder at this "Trump is stupid " claim. Wouldn't it need extreme intelligence to fool a hundred million people ? The average man can barely fool 5 at once.
To do so in a career switch at 70 , overcoming lifelong professional people foolers should put him in genius category.
It is entirely possible that this intelligence is mainly focused towards fooling people, so being president may not be what he excels in, maybe particularly bad in. But superhuman intelligence in any field eliminates the possibility of him being stupid, don't you think ?
Firstly all this is irrelevant because i was pointing out that you were incorrectly assuming that phantomfive was saying that all blame lay with Microsoft. He wasn't, and you did not give any arguments to support the position that he was.
Once you acknowledge your mistake that i pointed out above, you might get somewhere . Or not.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
Purely from a completeness perspective, if you change it to past continuous you might have a all W sentence - W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who was washing Waldo Woo.
Is there a reason for the present continuous ?
The reality is, if Microsoft hadn't made the flaw, then this attack never would have happened.
You assume that all the blame lies at Microsoft whereas
Not exactly. Just because it would never have happened if it weren't for Microsoft doesn't mean all blame lies at Microsoft.
There can be multiple players in a ball game but someone sets the ball rolling. It was Microsoft in this case.
In opposing him in such a non-sociable way, you are proving him right.
Most chihuahua dog births are with C-section
Right, and the other candidateS WEREn't rotten at all.
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Adblocker blocker is surely a deal-breaker. That reminds me - don't you think public unwillingness to pay for news causes a lot of clickbaity-ness of the news ? If "causes" is a strong word - at least it is a factor in prevention of popularity of serious news.
A small minority paying for online news won't matter - print is going down, and online news doesn't have enough paying subscribers. Idiots are a good market - they will watch advertisements, buy the advertised goods, and they need nice clickbait articles to visit again.
The "mankind changing for the better" nearly always happened during times of rising prosperity. Economic fears and stagnation brings out the worst in people.
Are people open to rational arguments? Yes, if cloaked in emotions : http://www.ted.com/talks/simon...
That is right , but it was invented and was most effective when most ways of interacting intensively with people far away was physically traveling with one's body to the far away location. Now with
1. international businesses with telephone and video conferences
2. 24-hour work time + 24-hour personal time
, those advantages matter a bit less. The disadvantages - of having to know various timezones to be able to inform people are surfacing more than earlier.
This is not to say universal time solves all problems. But this much is true that once tele-commuting becomes even more common where one just stays at a pleasant place and conduct business across the world at one's own schedule - some advantages of the current system vanish and some disadvantages glare more.
For now, it is easy to have multiple clocks on your watch / computer / phone for people who actually deal with different time-zones, and rest of the world doesn't give a damn.
I drink a 12oz bottle of Coke when I wake up every morning which is, hold on... 1.5c. Does that fall in the "just want to drink something" or "thirsty" category?
This is the entirely new "diabetes" category.
You might be right, but Amazon calls W-Deals a seller. That doesn't mean law will also call W-Deals a seller for this particular transaction.
It is crudely like Amazon calls your account number Prime, but a mathematician when provided with the number might find many prime factors of the account number and refuse to accept the account number as prime. A word has different meanings in different contexts, and especially for marketing many words are misused e.g. prime, privileged, Gold/Silver/Platinum, "Free", "Unlimited".