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After London Attack, PM Calls For Internet Regulation To Fight Terrorists (cnn.com)
CNN reports that "At least seven people were killed in a short but violent assault that unfolded late Saturday night in the heart of the capital, the third such attack to hit Britain this year." An anonymous reader quotes their follow-up report:
Prime Minister Theresa May has called for closer regulation of the internet following a deadly terror attack in London... May said on Sunday that a new approach to tackling extremism is required, including changes that would deny terrorists and extremist sympathizers digital tools used to communicate and plan attacks. "We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed," May said. "Yet that is precisely what the internet and the big companies that provide internet-based services provide. We need to work with allied democratic governments to reach international agreements that regulate cyberspace to prevent the spread of extremist and terrorism planning."
1. Terrorist attack.
2. Call for increased surveillance, overreach.
3. Learn more about the terrorists, but don't arrest the right ones in time.
4. Rinse, repeat.
This is almost starting to feel staged at this point. Every single country does this, and it always turns us more towards 1984. The terrorists are winning.
Remind me how that would help again? Seems like it'd mostly prevent us from finding out about the attacks afterward.
And it's weird, for all the talk of regulating hate speech on Twitter, they don't seem all that keen to go after the people promoting Isis there. Maybe they're worried they can't tell the difference between them and D-list celebrity art?
"Stop importing mass numbers of insane subhumans who want to kill us."
What?! That would be CRAZY! It would be like... um... actually solving the problem?
We'll just add to the captcha.. check the box if you're a terrorist. Easy peasy.
If the geniuses that lead our countries would just look in the mirror once in a while they might understand the problem. We let people in to our countries and they end up attacking us. The governments have already failed to vet these people. What the hell are internet companies supposed to do? Twitter is going to run a deep background check on every new account? Nope. Going to blockade certain countries? Well.. Trump tried something like that. Courts didn't like it. Closed borders? In Europe, that died with Le Pen's failure to win. So what now? Turn off the internet and hope the attacks stop? Doesn't sound like a winning plan.
Created by engineers.
Destroyed by politicians.
May it RIP.
Islam and Christianity are both dangerous evils. Let's be done with this fictional nonsense.
"The biggest and richest social media companies are shamefully far from taking sufficient action to tackle illegal and dangerous content," the report said.
Nope. facebook and other social media sites make too money advertising. I mean think of all the revenues they'd lose if they stop taking ad money from the Ramadan Terrorist Kit company based in Derkaderkastan? And who knows what back end revenues they are getting by selling the data they collect to governments? How about collecting the data on the terrorists and giving it to the Russians? They won't pussy foot around - they'd kill'em all and call it a day.
And I think it's quite telling that certain Arab states (and Arab Royal Families) aren't using their immense wealth and influence in the Muslim community to fight against this.
Or the Persians. They used to be a great people and now, they are just pathetic little people trying to bully their way to influence.
All feel good rhetoric in the World doesn't compensate for actions or lack of them.
CAPTCH: "behead" - how appropriate.
Why stop at regulating the Internet? They were driving a white van when they carried out the attack so clamping down on white van use seems like a good idea right now. They were also carrying knives so those must be made illegal or their sales closely monitored.
What I'm waiting for is the usual statement that 'these men were already known to the security services', further proving that all of the Internet monitoring and phone tapping is of no use whatsoever.
This is weapons grade stupidity. People who commit terrorist acts use the internet, have cellphones, all that.
"Old man yells at systemd"
That's what this is actually about. "Oh noes! Terrorists! We must immediately implement my agenda of Internet censorship, which is actually about porn not terror but shut up!"
You know what I'm fed up with? Politicians who crap their pants every time a terrorist does anything. That means you Ms May. You're doing exactly what they want you to do. For all Thatcher's faults, she didn't act like you and the majority of those politicians who proclaim themselves anti-terror do.
Terrorists are not going away. Either live your values, or live in fear. Your choice.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
As in "overthrow governments that don't impose sharia"
Espousing Islam is explicitly calling for the overthrow of Western-style nonreligious government.
At least someone benefits from the terrorist attacks.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It also helps that technology can translate the Koran "properly" to send the correct message.
So what's the correct translation for "terrorise the infidels"?
Yep. Going back to stone age is not the answer.
"Madam, a bunch of barbarians with knives jumped out of a van and killed civilians!"
"Begin spying on people on the Internet. That'll surely prevent it from happening!"
As if said barbarians are using internet to communicate at all, much less for openly discussing their acts... "Nahoul, have you acquired the weapons of our holy jihad to take place on London Bridge on June, 3th?" — "Yes, Assoud, very long sharp knives and a Hertz van".
They probably discuss shit in private in some back alley or something, geez.
Instead of ours, oh yeah then the politicians can't get their jollies by exerting more control over the populace.
lose != loose
"Recognize the authority of the infidels"
or
"Leave the infidels be"..
Depends how stupid the population is.
If you still believe in "multiculturalism" and "all cultures are equal"*, go fuck yourself.
And do it before some jihadi slits your throat.
* - unless the culture is white, Western European based. Funny how those cultures are less equal than others...
and throwing all the rapefugees out of the country? But we can't do that... that would be "racist".
The politicians/judges/etc. never have to live with the consequences of their policies and decisions why would they give a fuck about anybody else? They all live in the whitest most exclusive areas surrounded by walls and guarded by men with guns. They send their kids to elite private schools. Until the people actually string up and hold their politicians accountable first, the terrorism problem will never be resolved.
Does she have any evidence these people actually used the internet to plan what they were doing?
And if so, why didn't all the existing mass surveillance catch them? Is ratcheting up the level of surveillance really going to help? That was their excuse for implementing it to begin with, and so far it hasn't.
There is no end to it:
(1) call for more censorship and surveillance.
(2) another attack happens anyway.
(3) goto step one, because it must not have been enough yet.
Their sky is probably black. At least, based on the time zone in most Muslim countries right now...
It's electioneering. Normally politicians wait for the bodies to be cold, but in this case there is an election less than a week away so...
She wants to shift blame away from herself, and be seen to be doing something. I really doubt she thinks that mass surveillance will make any real difference.
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Yet another example of the usual Tory idea of what the internet is, dating back to Cameron's initial leadership: porn and terrorism. It will be another attempt to actually implement the snooping part of the snoopers charter. More uneducated calls for data retention and back doors on encryption. The can lose USB sticks and walk around with documents on show so why would you trust them with your data. A back door on encryption for them is a back door for everyone who wants to hack data. Put a backdoor in whatsapp and they'll just move to another and another anyway.
Surely none of the governments suspects are really using Google to find this stuff. Facebook/Twitter process how many new messages a second? Do they really expect a team of humans to monitor all of them? Add an automated filter to assess each message they'll say and half your posts will fail with false positives.
They need to stop and take advice and actually listen to the tech firms.
Back to the dark ages. That'll work.
Since the dawn of time, people have confused 'stopping speech' with solving the problem. It doesn't. Despite the lying panic, communication does NOT 'radicalize' people. Instead it lets other people find out about the radicalization. While it is true that a small number of lunatics that were considering minor criminal actions upgrade to larger actions, free speech does not create problems, it REVEALS them.
Stopping free speech delays the problem at best, rather than solving them. Eventually the pent up issues burst forth into violence.
Better to have a constant small stream that is deal able rather than a flash flood.
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How about starting to fight back in a serious way? They are at war with us. It's time we realized that
Call it an inside joke we are all too familiar with for it not to be a social norm, but is anyone really surprised? It's getting old how everyone that violently disrupts is labeled as a terrorist. Only those in office have the authority to label, judge, and benefit from it. When did people start blindly believing in this "togetherness and we all love each other crap?" Oh yeah, Facebook. And then you have a country like the UK that constantly opresses people in a KGB-like fashion. Democratic Communism, though I think we just call that Socialism. I honestly don't think Brexit would have happened if the UK allowed its citizens the right to adequate self defense. Act up in the U.S. like this and those guys would have been Swiss cheese in 5 minutes. Those antiterrorism laws and cctv cameras are for their protection, not citizens.
The solutions may be politically incorrect, but Europe is now a war zone whether they like it or not. Just look at what ISIS did to the Syrian people and historical sites in their path. Imagine this being done throughout Europe.
The alternative is in 100 years the current European culture will be little more than a chapter in a history book.
remember 1776.
amen.
The terrorists and the political leaders who are most vociferous about "fighting terrorism" need each other. It's almost like they're fighting for the same side.
One thing for sure: nothing that any of these leaders have proposed or implemented - mother of all bombs, travel bans, heightened security theater, arming the populace, internment, keeping people from bringing nail clippers on airplanes, foreign wars, building walls - is going to do anything to reduce terrorism.
You are welcome on my lawn.
In the 911 fantasy report, "experts" said 4 groups used plastic knives to hijack 4 planes, only 1 failed.
Plastic knives must be banned.
if we ban all guns and knives
and teach people like in prisons to eat with spoons no more stabbings
ROFL
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ya we can relocate all british to canada and use britain like that movie
Such as stricter immigration controls, increased monitoring of religious organizations that have proven to be a source of terrorism, and actually arming the people who are supposed to be your first line of defence for your citizens?
the establishment gonna use muslim terrorism as an excuse to stamp out white populist politics
eat shiat and bark at the moon
So, of the seven tier 1 trauma centers in Boston, one of them was close to the route of the Boston marathon? Well, that proves it, it must have been staged!
After something like this, we should all chill out with some peaceful music.
a call to arms to see who many volunteers we'd get to go over there and reallllllly pound them and hen stay there for a decade with that many and then when they cant make a bomb or gun some of there kids can grow up without violence
Either do the attacks yourself, let others carry them out, or fake them outright. Then point to the "bad" and claim that removing whatever you dont like is the solution. I know who really needs to be removed from this earth, and its our self imposed rulers.
captcha: accident
That sound like a good idea.
the CEOs, politicians etc are using mass immigration to prop up the ponzi economy, to increase population and consumer demand and keep the economy out of recession so that the CEOs etc can keep making millions
eat shiat and bark at the moon
If this had happened in the USA, loads of people would now be claiming conspiracy, that the CIA (or whoever) let this happen in order to get more power and money. Exploitative May didn't waste any time pushing her surveillance state ideology.
Interesting people can move messengers around the world and wait for a week for a message to be delivered in person.
Faith groups working in closed communities don't need to bother with an internet that is been watched. They have their leaders, teachings and have a large protective community around them.
This is not groups in the 1980's getting funds from banks, making phone calls and moving funds around using computers, emails and fax machines.
This is not the Soviet Union where the GCHQ can surround the Soviet Union and listen in on Soviet officials making daily phone calls.
The UK needs to fund MI5 overtime and get its expert surveillance teams out into UK cities.
Fund the army, MI5 and let them do their work in every UK city. Watch groups, who they meet, who they talk to, who they listen to.
Map the networks of people.
Keep all results away from any groups or people in the UK gov who talk to the media.
Learn for Ireland in the 1980's. Trust only the GCHQ, MI5, the elite UK mil units and any version of Special Branch that is as secure and dedicated as the Royal Ulster Constabulary Special Branch was. That will ensure no information gets to groups/workers/contractors who will sell/talk/give UK policy information to the UK press/media/their company.
Learn from the 1920-70's issues when the UK had to hire a lot of experts on trust. Just as Communists filled the UK clandestine services for decades expect interesting groups to try and fill the ranks of the UK security services with needed new staff. Only hire on merit and after deep vetting of all new UK staff.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
Basically all terrorists in Europe of the last 10 years or so were _known_ to the state before. Did that help at all? No, it id not. And now they want to put everybody else under surveillance, despite it being completely clear that this will not help? That is at best utterly stupid, and at worst a preparation for the establishment of full-blown fascism.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Trump wants travel ban but the liberal world wants to stamp out free speech... wow
So it was staged. What exactly did they need the tier 1 trauma center for?
I don't think the internet is the problem...or the solution. Every time something like this happens, politicians use this opportunity to crack down on people's rights because that's the only thing they can think up--and they won't let go of that idea until they have full access to everything. It's an easy way to shift the blame.
Seems to me that government representatives think they can solve this by having people working at their spy agencies find terrorists by typing queries at a console. It's not that simple.
What used to be called "Conspiracy Theories" are now "Conspiracy Facts".
They are so out in the open now you can't even argue against them without being totally ignorant.
Seven people died in these attacks. How many died that day as a result of other crime? Car accidents? Accidents? Disease? But extremists are always guaranteed the headlines and a 24 hour news cycle... gee I wonder why extremists keep doing it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_in_Afghanistan
Mod parent troll (I have no points to do this).
And no, war is older than religions. There will still be war. Some day, humans will be extinct, but wars will still occur. Sorry. War happens when people cannot solve their problems by negotiation or deterrence. Learn some game theory.
overpopulating the planet is.
I'm blind to you saying the problem that racists are the real victims here?
No - I can see exactly what shit you are up to by pushing this line.
will they also want cellphone firmware that has no auto wipe / pin code time lock down. So they can force update an locked phone and try code after code to unlock it?
Mrs. Graverobber May is flaunting her idiot internet oversight plans again on the pain and loss of victims and relatives. She really is a cunt.
Of course they use the Internet and phones, but, other than the really dumb ones that are most likely not part of any serious group or at the very bottom of the ladder, there's not a great deal of public evidence that shows they use them for much more than the rest of us do. In the case of the more organized groups like Daesh, it's often the opposite and it seems they now actively avoid using means that can easily be monitored for planning and carrying out their activities except where it doesn't matter anymore. Daesh's leadership appears to understand OpSec and PerSec pretty well, and you can be sure they're going to be hammering that into their more immediate subordinates, if only to try and protect themselves.
There may well be mountains of classified actionable intelligence data - *something* has to be enabling all those drone strikes - but that's not much use when it comes to a member of the public forming an opinion as to whether politicians are trying to pass over-reaching surveillance legislation or not, is it? Especially if the impression J.Q. Public is getting is that most of the time it's either essentially useless until after the fact because there's just so *much* of it, and/or it didn't contain the necessary data that would have enabled the attack to be prevented in the first place.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
And by "clearly" I mean "I really want it to be".
Theresa May thinks she'll be able to get global social networks and application to sacrifice data integrity and encryption because some people in 2017 still think religious views, belief and devotion, is anything else then a mental illness.
Hi,
Everything requires regurlation to be used correctly. Like it or not. "Freedom" of speech cannot be used to defend terrorists. People who have nothing to hide should have nothing to fear from regulation.
I'm guessing that those who believe it was staged all support Bernie Sanders. Am I right? Of course I am. Crazy attracts crazy.
Explain how the crisis's actor's little finger suddenly grow back in the hospital?
Breakthrough Photo Enlargement: Did Lt. Nick Vogt Play Role of Blast 'Victim' Jeff Bauman on April 15th at Boston Marathon
Every terrorist attack in Europe has been done by "radicalized Muslims" in last decade. Lately, they have been proclaiming their allegiance to IS/ISIS/ISIL/the assholes with the western weapons. And IS or whatever is taking credit for it.
I try to not be a bigot (Muslim isn't a race), but when week after week of seeing more folks getting killed by a "radicalized Muslim" (reported that way by every news outlet - it's not some Fox News thing) and Andrea Merkel giving speeches where she chooses her words very very carefully, I just have to ask, What the fuck?!
And fascism is growing again - and I mean Sieg Heil! fascism.
I think the assholes who think that they are on the side of "God" and that they are going to die and get 72 virgins and an all you can eat buffet should keep in mind that they are pissing off people that have one of the most advanced economies and technologies in the World and actually have a track record of killing millions of people just because they didn't like their religion.
And these people are giving them a tangible excuse.
Some of these assholes want some sort of war with the West. They should be careful what they wish for.
The internet didn't kill those people, muslims did.
to the western culture and she's giving them their prize for their attacks by clamping down on the biggest communications invention in human history? Because we all know before the internet and telephone there were no radicals/groups/freedom fighters that could communicate secretly. Before the internet we were all safe...
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Too many politicians think the only way of making the world better is by legislating things in or out of existence. In response to every event, their minds turn like clockwork to the question of what laws they can pass or repeal to make the problem go away.
Before wielding the ban hammer, good politicians first consider whether they can do anything to make the use of the hammer unnecessary. In this case, how about re-considering support for Saudi Arabia, or Israel? Or how about the role of climate change, or of NGOs, or evangelical Christian groups?
If we wanted to just create laws every time something happens that we don't like, we'd do better to have robots (or hey, direct democracy) for that instead. See also "cone syndrome" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I'm not saying non-legislative efforts might always work, just that legislating and leaving is clearly not working. It's lazy and debases politics such that nobody believes in it any more.
"And the meaning of words; when they cease to function; when will it start worrying you?"
Could we incentivize the moderate muslim population? Maybe it's the media, but I rarely ever hear about this group trying to out the violent ones. Give them big cash rewards for turning in terrorists or turning them away from their mosques. On the harsher side, make them uncomfortable if terrorists are in their midst knowingly or unknowingly by fining them, taking away their mosques, deporting them, etc.
Enough incentives may bring about a reformation of the religion.
....cutting off their money supply ...
Please explain exactly who what and how it's being funded.
if the problem is "Acts of Violence against the general population" then yeah, doesn't work. If the problem is "Theresa May isn't going to get re-elected because she's hopelessly in over her head and can't govern since she hails from a party that doesn't believe government can be effective in the first place", well, carry on then.
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suppressing free speech and controlling national discourse will massively help Theresa May's reelection bid.
Oh. You mean the terrorism thing. Yeah, I suppose you're right there.
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I'd like a travel ban and extreme vetting from muslim nations.
And a carry law for citizens.
Blast the fuck out of the assholes.
That'll teach them.
Passive doesn't work, never did.
Maybe you can apply for a job as one of the new internet censors. You'd be good at it.
Find it strange that terrorists are targeting their attacks to coincide with elections? Not trying to make a conspiracy about it but what goals could be met by doing this?
Must be why they staged it at the end of the Boston marathon, in the middle of Boston, instead of the less scrutinized areas of Ashland, Framington or Natick. More blood and cameras to record everything.
What in the ever-loving 9 hells is this witch doing? How does increased internet restrictions going to keep some muslim terrorist from jumping out of a truck and stabbing a bunch of people? It wont. This stupid PM has no clue how to lead. She has an agenda and refuses to be swayed from it.
- Year 2013: "BBC's websites killing Press and threatening local democracy, says Theresa May" https://goo.gl/ccgTPH
- Year 2014: "Theresa May: We need to collect communications data 'haystack'" https://goo.gl/Ew4gMf
- Year 2015: "Theresa May: Internet data will be recorded under new spy laws" https://goo.gl/1hNBdk
- Year 2016: "Theresa May's Snoopers' Charter dealt major setback as EU court rules against 'indiscriminate' collection of internet data" https://goo.gl/455OWU
- Year 2017: "Theresa May Wants A ‘New’ Internet Monitored By The Government" https://goo.gl/mGPKlx
That woman simply hates that people can freely speak through the medium she does not control!
Terrorist attack? We need more control and censorship.
Child abuse? We need more control and censorship.
Meteor heading to earth? We need more control and censorship.
Is it Sunday today? We need more control and censorship.
Nothing happened? We need more control and censorship.
Well, I've got to get back to work. When I stop rowing, the slave ship just goes in circles.
Manchester attacker was a very recent returner from Libya,others have also been allowed to return.. ...
If we must change laws in the UK, how about making it much more difficult to go to mid-east and then return,if you want to leave the UK,you supply a checkable itinerary of where you are going and you check in daily with local authorities,just as we make some offenders report to police in the UK,if you don't stick to itinerary or there is any doubt about what you have been doing or folk you have met,you get told before you return that you are going to lifted by border authorities and then you are going to have to prove what you have been up to,if you fail to satisfy checks, out you go,straight back to mid-east.
Another simple one is that anyone that is known to have been fighting,for any side is told/knows already,you will not be allowed back into the UK/eu, under any circumstances.
It might be racist but how many recent attackers have been white UK born national's ?
So concentrate resources on non-whites who want to leave and return,include Indians,Pakistanis, afghans etc etc,that would also help with our massive heroin problem..
I can think of lots of fairly easy,cheap ways of making life a lot more difficult/impossible for attackers, but most would be considered racist and non-pc,so stand little chance of being put in place..
Multiculturism is a joke,always was,always will be,show me just one country where it can be shown to have worked
"We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed," May said.
Instead of disenfranchising all U.K. Legal Citizens with shuttering access to the internet and other telecommunications services it could be far easier to mandate through Parliament Law the sterilization of all illegal migrants and all Islam followers and their sympathizers irregardless of religion or ethnicity.
Back in college, I actually had an Arab roommate.
From what I understand, no one like the Saudi family.
No one.
It's resented that Mecca is in their territory.
Their Islamic beliefs are garbage.
The family itself is always caught in western countries being hypocrites.
For US - Americans:
They call us - the USA - white slaves. The feel entitled to our complete un -questioning defense - like Israel.
Why do we support those assholes? Really? Why?
The Cold War is over. We have an Oil boom here in our own country that is expected to outlast their reserves. Green energy is taking over - fossil fuels are doomed real soon thanks to visionaries like Elon Musk - yeah, being a bit patronizing there.
Uhm, no. It's not about porn. It's about control over, and access to, what people say to each other in private.
The death toll in this attack is roughly equal to the number of people who have died in the UK because of DUI. The only difference is that DUI deaths are so common and so continuous that they're rarely front page news, much less international news.
You're not particularly offended that someone actually wants to go out of their way to kill you? That's perfectly fine with you?
In the US, you have on average, 650 gun deaths per week. 500 can be attributed to 'Christians'. Less than one per week can be attributed to 'Muslim Extremists'..
Any statistic about guns cited by a milquetoast left-winger can be taken for a lie; this one is no different. For starters, "gun deaths" is a rubbish category because it's dominated by suicides; a vast majority of the remainder are gang-bangers offing each other without any sort of religious motivation. (Included in the latter are 18-25 year olds who still mysteriously qualify as 'children' for left-wing agitprop purposes). You keep whittling down the garbage in your statistic and you'll find the very rare abortion clinic murderer who actually cites service to God as his motivation; these folks are vanishingly few in a country of 300 million +.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Folks with silly ideas about the supernatural and the afterlife keep killing folks using any method they can and the first thing out of governments mouth is they want to regulate the internet ?
How about this instead:
Quit bowing to the demands of a religion whose sole purpose is designed around killing the infidels ?
Threaten to kick them ALL out and they will put a bit more effort into dealing with the extremists on their own.
Not what the tree-hugging parties want to hear but it's pretty obvious that trying to do things the ' nice ' way isn't working out too well is it ?
Either you have the spine to do what's necessary, or STFU and quit crying everytime some idiot blows themselves up in a crowded area full of innocent people.
You can't have it both ways. Islam cannot coexist with anything except Islam.
The sooner you come to grips with that fact the fewer innocent people will have to die.
May is a crazy woman who has no idea of the technical implication of what she is proposing. SHE is more of a threat to British values than any of the religious morons who seem intent on trying to impose medieval koran based dogma on people who's society is many hundreds of years more advanced than their primitive minds can comprehend. Personally, I'm far more afraid of May's fascism, than I am of any islamic savage.
Her main problem is that she seems to have limited grasp of her brief, and is very exposed when she is asked unprompted questions. For example when a nurse told her that she has been on the same salary as a National Health Service Nurse as she earned in 2009, she looked the nurse in the eye and declared that there is no 'Magic Money Tree'
She has coped with her poor people skills by refusing to turn up for election debates, instead using the tame UK media, papers like the Daily Mail, and the BBC to promote her. However her lack of ability has become so obvious that what looked like a massive majority (which is the reason why she called a early election) is evaporating and it looks like the UK will enter Brexit negotiations with a hung Parliament)
To add to her problems She has refused to liaise with the Scottish Parliament to the result that they have asked for a referendum on Scottish Independence to co-inside with the end of the Brexit negotiations.
Theresa May may go down in UK history as the most incompetent Prime Minister in our long history.
They have in the past talked about banning knives of a certain size. There's a hilarious quote from a doctor that I can't find right now who claims that "Nobody needs an 8 inch knife." Of course every chef in the world is saying "U wot mate?" since an 8" chef knife is the sole most useful knife in a kitchen.
But ya, they have seriously proposed banning big knives, and this was years ago. The UK seems to have a very "Just ban objects and we'll all be safe" mentality.
the expendables got it right. how do you deal with terrorists?
track them, find them, kill them.
enough with regulations, passive responses, and pandering. they don't do it with us.
These people are heroes:
1) A British Transport Police officer didn't have a gun. Instead of running away, he fought the terrorists with his baton.
2) As people were escaping out of the back of a restaurant, a woman stayed at the front of the restaurant. She stayed there to block the front door closed with her body, as the terrorists were trying to force their way in. Her blocking the door saved about 20 people, by giving them time to escape. After the terrorists overpowered here and forced their way in, she was able to escape.
I sometimes wonder how unselfishly brave I would be, if I were in a situation like that. I hope I'd unselfishly brave, like those two people.
Never let a good crisis go to waste, eh?
Fuck that. Regulate this!
London police had a flyer...run, hide, tell. SCREW that. Too bad they don't allow their own citizens to protect themselves. I have a better idea! http://s16.photobucket.com/use...
Claim: The Internet is used to radicalized
Evidence: None.
Observation: The place people get radicalized changes with the wind.
Claim: Terrorists use encryption
Evidence: Unless burner phones and open Skype sessions qualify... no.
Observation: Encryption is rarely even used by the military, because it's potentially vulnerable and draws attention. (I worked at SPAWAR.) Terrorists and the military far prefer staying out of sight.
Claim: Banning encryption everywhere will prevent radicalization
Evidence: People download the Anarchist's Cookbook off unencrypted sources, so.... no.
Observation: It'll also ban eCommerce, credit cards and banking. Unless the plan is to fund the psychos to death.
Claim: Tech communities aid fundamentalism
Evidence: The complete lack of technology in fundamentalist areas and the near-complete lack of fundamentalism in technological areas, so.... no.
Observation: Fundamentalists from Cyrus (bishop of Alexandria) to the heads of ISIS abhor science and technology. It's used as last-ditch. Reducing it won't affect the 95% of the problem.
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...fuck you. No.
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Only when all muslims are exterminated will there be peace in this world.
When all muslims are exterminated there will be peace in the world.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of Human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." - William Pitt, British House of Commons, November 18, 1783
It is only when all Muslims are exterminated that we will have world peace.
We can only have peace after all Muslims have been exterminated. Kill them and nuke their "shrines".
The vote was made on a non-binding referendum. It wasn't 'go right ahead' it was a 'let us consider this'. If it had been advertised as binding the result may not have been the same and assuming that it would be is not democratic.
Attacking the internet is the answer, obviously... Sounds like this was a false flag operation to push internet censorship...
You've linked to things that do not support your assertions up to and including "And they're afraid of losing their job if they speak up. Of being attacked by a lynch mob on twitter for saying something"
It's kind of disgusting seeing someone actually use a tragedy to push such a petty little agenda as a "crusade against political correctness".
when ever there is an attack use a nuke on one of their cities.
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I'm not saying Islam doesn't have particular issues, but they are not unique to Islam
That's like saying breast cancer is not unique to women. Technically true -- because on very rare occasions men get breast cancer -- but a stupid point to make.
Go here: TheReligionOfPeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016
and note that there were 2,478 Islam-inspired attacks in 2016, that killed 21,237 humans.
It would be quite impossible to compile a comparable list of Buddhism-inspired attacks, or Christianity-inspired attacks, or Sikh-inspired attacks.
Also note that the politically-correct climate forces me to go A.C. for this post. Screw the prime minister's call to regulate the internet because it has "safe spaces" for terrorists; how about creating a safe space for truth-speakers like me?
People are too politically correct and afraid of being labeled racist/islamophobe
After every recent attack, I've heard politicians express fear of a backlash against Muslims.
They fear the backlash, but not the lash.
They don't fear the first-order effect; they fear what could at most be described as a third- or fourth-order effect.
Exactly.
If you look over the list 2,478 Islam-inspired attacks in 2016, which killed 21,237 humans -- TheReligionOfPeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=2016 -- you'll see that most of the victims were Muslim themselves.
There's nothing wrong with a containment strategy that keeps this problem from spreading to non-Muslim countries.
For example, if Seddique Mateen, the Taliban-supporting father of the Orlando shooter, had never been permitted to travel to the U.S., 49 additional Americans would be alive today.
How to lose an election: Try to profit from a stabbing.
Doesn't this kind of thing backfire these days? How many times can you flog a dead horse?
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The old MO was:
1. Wait for a terrorist attack
2. Tweet how terrible it was
3. Put a 'pray for [insert name of city here]' picture on your FB account
4. Police arrest a few people like family but will let them go later
5. Have no clue at all when the next attack will happen, goto 1
What Theresa May said is to attack the safe space the terrorists enjoy in our society. To me this includes:
a. Close all Salafist and Wahhabist mosques in all of Europe
b. Block their bank accounts and use that money to pay victims damages and expenses
c. Kick out all their imans to outside Europe so they cannot continue underground
d. Post a notice on the closed extremist mosques where the moderate islam mosques are
e. Make it a responsibility of the moderate mosques to signal and report any extremist ideas and people.
f. Monitor the moderate mosques on their progress towards integration and open mind towards western culture and society
g. When a terrorist attack takes place close the mosque the terrorists visited for 3 months.
This puts the moderate muslims on OUR side. Which is opposite of IS and the right-wing xenophobes mutual plan to push the moderate muslims towards IS. Moderate muslims now do not feel responsible for terrorist attacks because to them Wahhabism and Salafism is not their (flavour of) religion, so they are not to blame. By shutting down all (branches of) religions that reject our society you take the rotten apple out of the basket.
"We cannot allow this ideology the safe space it needs to breed," May said.
This is of course true - but this is at best only treating the symptoms and leaving the disease to fester. Introducing restrictions is what we do, when we don't know what else to do; we can give morphine to cancer patients, but any doctor would much rather be able to cure the cancer. There is a point, when only treating the symptoms becomes a sign of incompetence; I think we already know at least some of the cure that is needed to get rid of terrorism: address inequality, both at home and abroad. Of course, that may require us to be painfully honest about our own role in creating the inequalities in the first place.
Because in Afghanistan, where there is no internet, they do not have terrorism.
It's cheaper to insist the tech companies do something, than reinstating all the police jobs, the conservatives have destroyed.
Even the Daily Telegraph (one of the most right wing papers in the UK) are reporting on the drop and the security risks. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
if "Faith" could be proved with facts - would it still be faith? So why does "Faith" try to present beliefs as fact? -
In some cases, the internet isn't even used. And there are so many apps, encryption, 'hide in plain side' keyword passing, web sites, and not to mention that the UK doesn't control the entire internet or the darkweb.
So exactly what and how will any of this regulation work against terrorists? And not against the citizens of the UK?
On an online forum like this you would expect the very first comment to be about the impending loss of internet access. Yet, not a word. I scrolled down , and down, and gave up when all I saw were comments (although justified) about overreach against "terrists". Isn't loss of internet freedom a concern to the /. crowd at ALL ?
Muslims do not have to follow Islam in non-Islamic cultures. In fact the ones who participate in terrorism are instructed not to be pious so as to not draw any suspicion. The 9/11 attackers went to strip clubs and drank alcohol. It's all part of the same MO, meant to confuse dumb asses like you.
They are also allowed to cheat and lie to non-muslims, so good luck with the Religion of Peace (once everyone submits to ALLAH).
Theresa May may go down in UK history as the most incompetent Prime Minister in our long history.
Almost, but not quite. That honour would go to her predecessor, David Cameron, who effectively installed an unelected Theresa May as PM by having the arrogance and incompetence to force the Brexit referendum upon the UK for all the wrong reasons. Don't forget who caused this colossal cock-up - Cameron.
Or as i call him, Snowflake. Sure, a country's Constitution guarantees the freedom to share more information in the public, and the right to free speech is great... but NOT when it will cause a danger to National Security. The info Snowjob likely possesses is probably EXACTLY the kind of stuff al Qaeda wants leaked out so they can learn better of how to successfully find ways to kill Americans at will. Not to mention, maybe names and locations of counter-terrorism spies that the U.S. has out in the field infiltrating the ranks of those would-be murderers. People want to complain about the NSA and allegedly "spying" on them, but then they'll also complain about not feeling the government is doing enough to protect them from al Qaeda! The NSA is not "hiding" anything, but they'll be truly ineffective if EVERYONE knows what they're working on. They're not interested in photos of your baby or mom's recipes. Has NOBODY stopped for a moment and asked "why" the NSA has been doing what they're doing? Did people think the authorities use magic to uncover terrorist plots? Which would you prefer, "spying" on you or terrorism on you? Special Ed (a high school drop-out) did what he did for the fame (for the escape from obscurity that everyone wants... although most average people simply use Facebook).