My friend was very aware of the Holocaust. Did you not even notice that I mentioned the swastika clearly had elements that differentiated it from a Nazi swastika, or did you follow the link to the Wikipedia article and read about various kinds of swastikas and their uses over thousands of years?
You've never once mentioned that your friend was aware of it. This is not without significance, as it very well may be related to all the troubles he had about his sketches, making all that lamenting over his sorry fate superfluous, not to mention those elliptic mention of ignorance. You know,
pupils do the damnest things, but that does not necessarily turn them into neo-Nazis, except when it does, and there the pedagogical role of the school is important.
Do you really want to deny use of symbols that are important to some religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism) that have over a billion followers because an unrelated group of people (Nazis) adopted a similar symbol and persecuted another religious group?
I didn't hear anybody among those billions of people complaining, unless of course you're their representative, or
perhaps you're implying that these numbers and mentioning of different religions have some specific weight when talking about Holocaust (they don't.)
So I think it's time we take the time to truly understand what the symbol means[...]
Who are these "we"? If you think of some abstract whole of the humanity reaching the universal truth about the given symbol, then aren't you already trying to demonstrate that there is no such a truth(?), which by no means precludes the truth that the swastika was used as a widely disseminated and highly exposed symbol of the Nazi Germany and was and still is associated with the Holocaust.
So then, you allow that some symbol has some extraordinary meaning in some cultures, but deny that a similar symbol has an extremely negative meaning in Germany (and not only in Germany I mind you)?
This is what happened to someone near the top of his high school class and who never had been in any trouble in school before. All because he drew a picture of a random religious symbol. Ah, ignorance....
If by ignorance you allude that your friend did not know about the Holocaust, then yes, your story is very troubling.
My favorite show, Penn and Teller's Bullshit has "bullshit" in the title and figures out some way to show topless women (almost) every episode. And it's on TV, in the US.
(I happen to agree it's an inalienable right, but) one of the interesting things about inalienable rights is that not everyone agrees just what they all are.
How about this for an initiative? Theorist academicians at universities could guide students to refactor open source projects as a learning experience.
Right, these theorists guys in academia surely have nothing better to do.
[...]I think as a community, we need to just concentrate on getting at least 1 OS totally practical for desktop use before we start peddeling others.
If by that 1 totally practical OS you mean: mother Debian, father Fedora, child Ubuntu, edgy Gentoo, trusty CentOS, puritan Arch,... why not then add to that list of 1 OS also: server-with-desktop-feel SunOS?
John Doe subpoenas should result in the name being released to either a special master or to a "firewalled" lawyer whose only job it is is to contact the named defendant and serve him with papers. The named defendant should be given an opportunity to either quash the original subpoena after the fact or petition the court that the lawsuit will be in to be allowed to use a pseudonym.
You mean the lawsuit should be started secretly, and an appropriate meta-lawsuit carried on to determine whether the lawsuit ought to be continued?
Why do you feel we are exempt from Nature's/God's laws?
You write something like this assuming that your pet two-headed monster called "Nature's/God's laws" is something everybody knows about, and then continue to keep on asking and asking... and answering to your own questions, like:
We're human so should that make us exempt from Nature's/God's physical or chemical laws? We're obviously not exempt from those laws or any other for that matter.
(no, I'm not new here; I'm just a silly idealist:-)
Oh, I am so touched by your confession, tears are pouring from my eyes. I am now sure that you are also intelligent, pure, scientist. And objective too... then that cute smiley... Oh you sweetie you!...
Take your activism elsewhere, please. As valid, worthy, respectable, understandable and necessary as it might be, it happens to be off-topic, annoying and childish in this discussion.
Indeed! As intelligent grownups, potential Fathers, let's all embrace some retarded definition of sex as Truth, and those who do not agree with us we'll call names and politely ask to leave.
Slashdot Mirror
He is talking about Apple.
..will it my $TERM faster?
Obviously.
[So NASA is holding a contest to see who can come up with the best contest?]
the recursion is hurting my brain...
That's not recursion, it's meta! [...]
Exactly.
Now, somebody should propose to them that they should hold a contest to see who can come up with the best contest.
10 comments so far? It seems that Barry White-sharks-sex combo just doesn't cut it on /.
Lol.. Shame you were marked as troll.. I thought that was a nice comeback.. Offtopic as is this.. but a good comeback
Yeah, if you take a reply of Anonymous Coward, pretending to be gay, to be a comeback.
My friend was very aware of the Holocaust. Did you not even notice that I mentioned the swastika clearly had elements that differentiated it from a Nazi swastika, or did you follow the link to the Wikipedia article and read about various kinds of swastikas and their uses over thousands of years?
You've never once mentioned that your friend was aware of it. This is not without significance, as it very well may be related to all the troubles he had about his sketches, making all that lamenting over his sorry fate superfluous, not to mention those elliptic mention of ignorance. You know, pupils do the damnest things, but that does not necessarily turn them into neo-Nazis, except when it does, and there the pedagogical role of the school is important.
Do you really want to deny use of symbols that are important to some religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism) that have over a billion followers because an unrelated group of people (Nazis) adopted a similar symbol and persecuted another religious group?
I didn't hear anybody among those billions of people complaining, unless of course you're their representative, or perhaps you're implying that these numbers and mentioning of different religions have some specific weight when talking about Holocaust (they don't.)
So I think it's time we take the time to truly understand what the symbol means[...]
Who are these "we"? If you think of some abstract whole of the humanity reaching the universal truth about the given symbol, then aren't you already trying to demonstrate that there is no such a truth(?), which by no means precludes the truth that the swastika was used as a widely disseminated and highly exposed symbol of the Nazi Germany and was and still is associated with the Holocaust.
Why don't you ask ID this question?
So then, you allow that some symbol has some extraordinary meaning in some cultures, but deny that a similar symbol has an extremely negative meaning in Germany (and not only in Germany I mind you)?
This is what happened to someone near the top of his high school class and who never had been in any trouble in school before. All because he drew a picture of a random religious symbol. Ah, ignorance....
If by ignorance you allude that your friend did not know about the Holocaust, then yes, your story is very troubling.
As long as the game doesn't include a map to Poland[...].
or the map of the world.
Glad to see you are still an idiot.
Does it flip some sort of switch that makes them slobbering monsters?
This might explain my ex-girlfriend from Bavaria. She must have played a game of Wolfenstein right before we met. Damn you ID!
Now we're finally getting somewhere.
My favorite show, Penn and Teller's Bullshit has "bullshit" in the title and figures out some way to show topless women (almost) every episode. And it's on TV, in the US.
Wow! I'm speechless.
Uh, Lord Ender sends a message to Germans that something is over...
(I happen to agree it's an inalienable right, but) one of the interesting things about inalienable rights is that not everyone agrees just what they all are.
Then what are you (dis)agreeing here with?
Free Speech is an inalienable right,[...]
If by inalienable you mean that the American notion of free speech cannot be transferred to Europe, then I agree.
[...] It strikes me as hugely contradictory to outlaw both denying the holocaust and displaying a swastika.
Would you care to argument what is the contradiction, or is the "hugely" already sufficient?
It's an unfortunate historical relic - Deal with it...
They are exactly doing that.
You're right. I said SunOS but meant OpenSolaris.
How about this for an initiative? Theorist academicians at universities could guide students to refactor open source projects as a learning experience.
Right, these theorists guys in academia surely have nothing better to do.
[...]I think as a community, we need to just concentrate on getting at least 1 OS totally practical for desktop use before we start peddeling others.
If by that 1 totally practical OS you mean: mother Debian, father Fedora, child Ubuntu, edgy Gentoo, trusty CentOS, puritan Arch, ... why not then add to that list of 1 OS also: server-with-desktop-feel SunOS?
John Doe subpoenas should result in the name being released to either a special master or to a "firewalled" lawyer whose only job it is is to contact the named defendant and serve him with papers. The named defendant should be given an opportunity to either quash the original subpoena after the fact or petition the court that the lawsuit will be in to be allowed to use a pseudonym.
You mean the lawsuit should be started secretly, and an appropriate meta-lawsuit carried on to determine whether the lawsuit ought to be continued?
Why do you feel we are exempt from Nature's/God's laws?
You write something like this assuming that your pet two-headed monster called "Nature's/God's laws" is something everybody knows about, and then continue to keep on asking and asking... and answering to your own questions, like:
We're human so should that make us exempt from Nature's/God's physical or chemical laws? We're obviously not exempt from those laws or any other for that matter.
Have you ever heard of masturbation?
(no, I'm not new here; I'm just a silly idealist :-)
Oh, I am so touched by your confession, tears are pouring from my eyes. I am now sure that you are also intelligent, pure, scientist. And objective too... then that cute smiley... Oh you sweetie you!...
Take your activism elsewhere, please. As valid, worthy, respectable, understandable and necessary as it might be, it happens to be off-topic, annoying and childish in this discussion.
Indeed! As intelligent grownups, potential Fathers, let's all embrace some retarded definition of sex as Truth, and those who do not agree with us we'll call names and politely ask to leave.