Added to which the changeover from NT4 to Win2000 looks like it could be full of pitfalls and expensive hardware changes. And this with two products from the same company.
Hmmm, makes you wonder if the old saw "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time," isn't true. I know, I have probably misquoted but you get the drift.
Not necessarily, it depends on where the desktop is deployed. If you are going to use it at home then "really neat features" may well be the attraction. However in a business setting, stability PLUS the support costs are more of a consideration. If more businesses are going to deploy Linux on the desktop then a whole lot more support people will be needed and a lot of these are going to be Windows trained. Until they have got some way up the learning curve any distribution that makes their lives easier, read cheaper for the business, has got to be a good idea and AFAIK Mandrake is about the best as regards installation and general troubleshooting.
That said I would not be happy unless at least some support staff have a grounding in Linux security as it seems too easy to leave holes if the OS is set up by inexperienced staff.
Wrong in at least one respect. Britain does have a constitution but it is unwritten. Unfortunately you are partly right in saying that the country gets the government that it deserves but to the best of my knowledge there was no manifesto promise to screw down ISPs with this appalling act of theirs. When you have a parliamentary majority the size of the one Blair has then you don't need to consider anyone you just bulldoze what ever you want through. I won't bite to the gratuitous insults but your post would have been a lot better balanced if you had not let your prejudice show quite so openly.
I agree, Open source stuff *is* about freedom but only for certain people. Those gifted as coders are free to look and alter the code but for others such as myself it matters little whether we get the source code or not. My talents, such as they are, do not lie in programming. I am a sys admin/support person and what I need from Linux is a system that allows my users to get on with their jobs, easily, securely and if possible boosts their work experience. Personally the easier and more accesible Linux is the better. I accept the free software ethos, but for me working, closed source drivers etc. are just plain more useful.
Yes, you are right about SO not liking the fast load feature, nasty error messages etc. Just turn it off in the copy of Office you are using, can't do anything about other peoples' stuff though. With luck this will be addressed if it goes GPL, and, that silly desktop will get the axe as well.
Sadly, for some of us it already is. I had a mobile forced on me, have used it once I think, to call out. "Part of your job description" they told me when I complained. I hate the D****d thing.
Whilst agreeing with all the sentiments expressed, a stray thought crossed my mind. For who's benefit are these grasping, litigious corporations being run? Surely not solely for malignant suits and stockbrokers, no, remember, if you own any shares in a corporation the board of directors is legally obliged to think of your interests in maximising your shareholder value. Personally I hold no shares nor would I want to, I think this whole corporate culture repulsive and damaging to the interests of society in general.
The agument is about who owns the rights etc. to the sequencer, however Celera IS trying to get patents on the human genome. Guess that you get greedy bastards everywhere , not just in the big corps.
Yes, what you say is all very well but surely the origin of this discussion is exactly the provision, or otherwise of services. Linuxcare does provide such a service but as Robert Heinlein wrote "There aint no such thing as a free lunch". If the suits or whoever don't want to move to Linux it's more likely that they haven't heard of it. I know because I work at a finanacial services company (as a not so moronic sys admin, I hope!) and most of the WAN is run through NT4 boxes and anyone with a bit of knowledge would have surely figured out that there are more reliable OS's out there. Who in their right mind would trust anything of importance to M$? I put it down to ignorance more than anything else. What we need is a bit of advocacy for Linux, and I don't think Slashdot counts, you're preaching to the converted here. No, a higher profile for both the OS and support organisations is what may change the bean counters' minds and get a decent level of reliability onto more servers and workstations.
Is it just me? or does another *extremely* succesful company come to mind when you say that Disney managed to get where it is using the work of other people?
I am not sure that you are shooting at the right target here. From my reading of the memorandum decision the judge is *not* concerning himself with what systems are able to play DVDs. The point he is addressing and I think is missing, is the copying of the contents of the disc.. To the best of my knowledge and I stand to be corrected here, there is no technological reason why a bit copier, which has no interest in the meaning of the bits, I know I'm anthropomorphising but you know what I'm getting at, but just shovels them from one piece of media to another. OK, you then need some form of key code to descramble the contents but the movie, programme whatever has been copied so what has CSS got to do with anti-piracy? No,it's more about control and sadly Linux still does not have the commercial clout to force studios and other content originators to take it seriously, though I fervently hope that this is changing.
Well this just about takes the biscuit! Not elitist? I would dearly love to use Linux but as a tool, not the be all and end of my life. I'm a sad Windoze support person so I guess that makes my biassed but how about "a Linux for the rest of us," to paraphrase an old saying. Sorry to rant on but I think this sort of attitude is keeping M$ in business.
Glad to see that someone else has found the combo of Deskpro 4000 and WD is a bit of a problem, I don't know what the average rate of failure is but we have approx. 250 Deskpros and about 10 of the HDD have failed in less than 2 years. 2.5% anyone know if this is good, bad or just the way things are?
I think RDE is missing the point here, sure there are arguments both for and against such a limiter and doubtles, these will be ventilated at length on a number of forums. What many people who are not "priviliged" to live in the UK either don't know or overlook is the control freaks that make up the present administration. An example is that of Dunblane where a mentally ill person managed to fool the police who over see the issue of firearms certificates and retained his collection even though there were grounds for them to be removed from his custody. So what did the goverment do? Tighten up the vetting procedure for the issue of firearms certificates. Not on your life! Instead they criminalised a whole section of law abiding citizens, took away the basis of a number of paid jobs and to add insult to injury, completely messed up the compensation. So to fly this kite as I believe it is, and see how it goes down is typical, all I can hope is that the roars of anger and disapproval are enough to disuade the government. This may well happen as the present goverment has a good eye for the popular cause and even in Britain we do sometimes get to boot out one batch of manipulators and power brokers and try a new set on for size.
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Added to which the changeover from NT4 to Win2000 looks like it could be full of pitfalls and expensive hardware changes. And this with two products from the same company. Hmmm, makes you wonder if the old saw "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time," isn't true. I know, I have probably misquoted but you get the drift.
Not necessarily, it depends on where the desktop is deployed. If you are going to use it at home then "really neat features" may well be the attraction. However in a business setting, stability PLUS the support costs are more of a consideration. If more businesses are going to deploy Linux on the desktop then a whole lot more support people will be needed and a lot of these are going to be Windows trained. Until they have got some way up the learning curve any distribution that makes their lives easier, read cheaper for the business, has got to be a good idea and AFAIK Mandrake is about the best as regards installation and general troubleshooting.
That said I would not be happy unless at least some support staff have a grounding in Linux security as it seems too easy to leave holes if the OS is set up by inexperienced staff.
Wrong in at least one respect. Britain does have a constitution but it is unwritten. Unfortunately you are partly right in saying that the country gets the government that it deserves but to the best of my knowledge there was no manifesto promise to screw down ISPs with this appalling act of theirs. When you have a parliamentary majority the size of the one Blair has then you don't need to consider anyone you just bulldoze what ever you want through. I won't bite to the gratuitous insults but your post would have been a lot better balanced if you had not let your prejudice show quite so openly.
Just shows what a sad life I lead at work then. I was reading the transcripts as light relief from the day-job.
I agree, Open source stuff *is* about freedom but only for certain people. Those gifted as coders are free to look and alter the code but for others such as myself it matters little whether we get the source code or not. My talents, such as they are, do not lie in programming. I am a sys admin/support person and what I need from Linux is a system that allows my users to get on with their jobs, easily, securely and if possible boosts their work experience. Personally the easier and more accesible Linux is the better. I accept the free software ethos, but for me working, closed source drivers etc. are just plain more useful.
Yes, you are right about SO not liking the fast load feature, nasty error messages etc. Just turn it off in the copy of Office you are using, can't do anything about other peoples' stuff though. With luck this will be addressed if it goes GPL, and, that silly desktop will get the axe as well.
Sadly, for some of us it already is. I had a mobile forced on me, have used it once I think, to call out. "Part of your job description" they told me when I complained. I hate the D****d thing.
Whilst agreeing with all the sentiments expressed, a stray thought crossed my mind. For who's benefit are these grasping, litigious corporations being run? Surely not solely for malignant suits and stockbrokers, no, remember, if you own any shares in a corporation the board of directors is legally obliged to think of your interests in maximising your shareholder value. Personally I hold no shares nor would I want to, I think this whole corporate culture repulsive and damaging to the interests of society in general.
The agument is about who owns the rights etc. to the sequencer, however Celera IS trying to get patents on the human genome. Guess that you get greedy bastards everywhere , not just in the big corps.
Yes, what you say is all very well but surely the origin of this discussion is exactly the provision, or otherwise of services. Linuxcare does provide such a service but as Robert Heinlein wrote "There aint no such thing as a free lunch". If the suits or whoever don't want to move to Linux it's more likely that they haven't heard of it. I know because I work at a finanacial services company (as a not so moronic sys admin, I hope!) and most of the WAN is run through NT4 boxes and anyone with a bit of knowledge would have surely figured out that there are more reliable OS's out there. Who in their right mind would trust anything of importance to M$?
I put it down to ignorance more than anything else. What we need is a bit of advocacy for Linux, and I don't think Slashdot counts, you're preaching to the converted here.
No, a higher profile for both the OS and support organisations is what may change the bean counters' minds and get a decent level of reliability onto more servers and workstations.
AFAIK Linus Torvalds holds copyright on the Linux kernel.
Hm, kind of makes me glad that the UK no longer has much of an electronics manufacturing base if this is the result.
Is it just me? or does another *extremely* succesful company come to mind when you say that Disney managed to get where it is using the work of other people?
Nope, wrong, the currency is the Pound Sterling or just £.
I am not sure that you are shooting at the right target here. From my reading of the memorandum decision the judge is *not* concerning himself with what systems are able to play DVDs. The point he is addressing and I think is missing, is the copying of the contents of the disc.. To the best of my knowledge and I stand to be corrected here, there is no technological reason why a bit copier, which has no interest in the meaning of the bits, I know I'm anthropomorphising but you know what I'm getting at, but just shovels them from one piece of media to another. OK, you then need some form of key code to descramble the contents but the movie, programme whatever has been copied so what has CSS got to do with anti-piracy? No,it's more about control and sadly Linux still does not have the commercial clout to force studios and other content originators to take it seriously, though I fervently hope that this is changing.
Well this just about takes the biscuit! Not elitist? I would dearly love to use Linux but as a tool, not the be all and end of my life. I'm a sad Windoze support person so I guess that makes my biassed but how about "a Linux for the rest of us," to paraphrase an old saying. Sorry to rant on but I think this sort of attitude is keeping M$ in business.
Glad to see that someone else has found the combo of Deskpro 4000 and WD is a bit of a problem, I don't know what the average rate of failure is but we have approx. 250 Deskpros and about 10 of the HDD have failed in less than 2 years. 2.5% anyone know if this is good, bad or just the way things are?
I think RDE is missing the point here, sure there are arguments both for and against such a limiter and doubtles, these will be ventilated at length on a number of forums. What many people who are not "priviliged" to live in the UK either don't know or overlook is the control freaks that make up the present administration. An example is that of Dunblane where a mentally ill person managed to fool the police who over see the issue of firearms certificates and retained his collection even though there were grounds for them to be removed from his custody. So what did the goverment do? Tighten up the vetting procedure for the issue of firearms certificates. Not on your life! Instead they criminalised a whole section of law abiding citizens, took away the basis of a number of paid jobs and to add insult to injury, completely messed up the compensation. So to fly this kite as I believe it is, and see how it goes down is typical, all I can hope is that the roars of anger and disapproval are enough to disuade the government. This may well happen as the present goverment has a good eye for the popular cause and even in Britain we do sometimes get to boot out one batch of manipulators and power brokers and try a new set on for size.