Sun doesn't make their money on the OS, they used to but not anymore. They make it on hardware and on support both of which are pricey but worth it in my opinion. Solarisx86 has always been the redheaded stepchild of Sun anyway.
The major features of exchange is not so much the email but the shared calendaring and task lists etc. Exchange will also integrate with things like Project so that when you are assigned a new task for a Project it is given to you as a task in your exchagne mailbox.
*This is not flamebit*
For whats its worth, I actually like exchange. It is a bit bloated however of the 150+ people we've moved to exchange from groupwise and plain sendmail+POP none have complained and most (those that use the calendaring, special forms, etc) say they think it is great.
What if I'm not using a VPN but just doing research on the web for work? Are the cable companies gonna stipulate that you can't do anything for a business from home, even browsing the web?
The outlook address book (and global address list in exchange) are part of the pst or part of exchange and can only be accessed through vb calls. You can still filter based on addresses because those things are built into outlook.
and there is nothing wrong with a script accessing the address book as long as the script has permission to access it which is all this patch does, ask you if its ok.
There is a nice procmail filter (ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/proc mail-security.html) that renames incoming attachments and makes them non-double clickable as well as pseudo scans office dcuments for dangerous macros.
The extra level of 'abstraction' (the user having to rename the file to run it) has saved us from every major email born virus in the past two years while still allowing people to get there precious attachments if they are expecting them.
No, I don't think I already dropped the money for memory.
Take the PS2 for instance.
It retailed for $300 and that didn't include any method of storing your games. You had to buy a memory unit.
Xbox is $300 and comes with 50000+ units of storage.
Thats what I meant.
I was reading an xbox forum where someone posted they had setup a vpn (from his gateway) with someone else and was playing halo with them.
I got my hands on an xbox and halo and it is quite a nice system. The built in hd is great because you don't have to drop $$ on memory units, I did pick up the dolby digital adapter and halo and madden 2002 look and sound great (the crowd noise in madden is great).
Halo is a great game, although control IS definately a little harder without my aswd and mouse that I'm used to. Its a shame the network play isn't ready (for both xbox and halo/madden).
Upon entering college I got assigned work study with the IT dept. I was working with the two UNIX admins doing lowly stuff like changing aliases and updating dns records. This helped a ton because i got a chance to work on stuff that was terribly important while feeling my way out on the systems (there IS a difference between solaris and linux). Two years later and two unix admins later I was the full time admin and started getting the pay to prove it.
So I guess my answer would be to try and get a junior admin job if you can even if you don't plan on working with the comapny forever the experience you get doing the lowly stuff will let you get familiar with the systems as well as learning from hopefully experienced people and learning from their mistakes as well as your own.
MS isn't charging you to develop.NET apps (minus the cost of IDE which you don't need either if you are inclined), they are charging you to use their MyServices stuff (passport, etc) which I think is perfectly reasonable.
But they are getting better and that is what is really important. Yes it was a pain trying to write stuff early on and even then MS tried to make things like MFC easier on us by providing things like Visual Studio that made some of the 'more complicated than it needs to be' stuff easy. Visual Studio.NEt and C# and windows forms are light years ahead of the old MFC stuff. Having to actually try and get some programs to communicate with exchange I will acknowledge that COM is a huge pain in the ass, however once you understand how it works and havea couple programs under your belt it does make sense in an OO sort of way.
This may sound trollish (hence not posting at +1):
I'm glad gtk.org has docs, now how about doing some OpenGL stuff, i'd like to write a small server, some shell scripting help would be nice can I find the docs for those at gtk.org too?
As I said above in a post, msdn is nice because the docs for every development platform MS has are there along with examples.
You're talking two different types of documentation.
The original post was about msdn, docs for developers, lib calls example code etc.
The help you where looking for (at least from yyour posting) was how to install office or exchange.
I'll agree that MS's documentation in that respect is lacking but their developer documentation is quite nice and is all in one place. Something OSS is severily lacking.
As I said in my original post they are basing their request on the idea that it is enough for oyu to tell them there is a problem without having to demonstrate it.
Personally I think that if just telling them worked we wouldn't be in this perdicament. However a lot of companies will reply with the usual "well its not being exploited in the wild so we'll get it in the next SP" which then causes someone to make an exploit to expidite the fix.
heh heh
I guess I should have stated that the hassle was setting up a port forwarder. While a workaround it doesn't change the fact that it is a pain to write a new set of docs for MSN users
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Wonder if it is an autobot or decepticon.
Whatever it is its ugly as sin.
Sun doesn't make their money on the OS, they used to but not anymore. They make it on hardware and on support both of which are pricey but worth it in my opinion. Solarisx86 has always been the redheaded stepchild of Sun anyway.
One reason for this is to make it a little harder for you to run servers and such on your system. RR does the same thing here in FL.
The major features of exchange is not so much the email but the shared calendaring and task lists etc. Exchange will also integrate with things like Project so that when you are assigned a new task for a Project it is given to you as a task in your exchagne mailbox.
*This is not flamebit*
For whats its worth, I actually like exchange. It is a bit bloated however of the 150+ people we've moved to exchange from groupwise and plain sendmail+POP none have complained and most (those that use the calendaring, special forms, etc) say they think it is great.
What if I'm not using a VPN but just doing research on the web for work? Are the cable companies gonna stipulate that you can't do anything for a business from home, even browsing the web?
I think as long as you aren't promoting it and selling your new product you'd be fine.
The outlook address book (and global address list in exchange) are part of the pst or part of exchange and can only be accessed through vb calls. You can still filter based on addresses because those things are built into outlook.
and there is nothing wrong with a script accessing the address book as long as the script has permission to access it which is all this patch does, ask you if its ok.
There is a nice procmail filter (ftp://ftp.rubyriver.com/pub/jhardin/antispam/proc mail-security.html) that renames incoming attachments and makes them non-double clickable as well as pseudo scans office dcuments for dangerous macros.
The extra level of 'abstraction' (the user having to rename the file to run it) has saved us from every major email born virus in the past two years while still allowing people to get there precious attachments if they are expecting them.
No, I don't think I already dropped the money for memory.
Take the PS2 for instance.
It retailed for $300 and that didn't include any method of storing your games. You had to buy a memory unit.
Xbox is $300 and comes with 50000+ units of storage.
Thats what I meant.
I was reading an xbox forum where someone posted they had setup a vpn (from his gateway) with someone else and was playing halo with them.
Rock.
I got my hands on an xbox and halo and it is quite a nice system. The built in hd is great because you don't have to drop $$ on memory units, I did pick up the dolby digital adapter and halo and madden 2002 look and sound great (the crowd noise in madden is great).
Halo is a great game, although control IS definately a little harder without my aswd and mouse that I'm used to. Its a shame the network play isn't ready (for both xbox and halo/madden).
errr:
This helped a ton because i got a chance to work on stuff that was terribly important
Should beThis helped a ton because i got a chance to work on stuff that wasn't terribly important
./ needs meaning check.
Upon entering college I got assigned work study with the IT dept. I was working with the two UNIX admins doing lowly stuff like changing aliases and updating dns records. This helped a ton because i got a chance to work on stuff that was terribly important while feeling my way out on the systems (there IS a difference between solaris and linux). Two years later and two unix admins later I was the full time admin and started getting the pay to prove it.
So I guess my answer would be to try and get a junior admin job if you can even if you don't plan on working with the comapny forever the experience you get doing the lowly stuff will let you get familiar with the systems as well as learning from hopefully experienced people and learning from their mistakes as well as your own.
Better safe than sorry, probably figured that a little extra heat sink doesn't hurt.
yeah i know. pop ups forever.
MS isn't charging you to develop .NET apps (minus the cost of IDE which you don't need either if you are inclined), they are charging you to use their MyServices stuff (passport, etc) which I think is perfectly reasonable.
The libertyproject alliance is attempting to do just that. Sun Cisco IBM (basically every big tech firm except microsoft)
projectliberty.org
Mod this up and up and up please.
troo, its kinda all or nothing with MS. Generally its all if they can't make money off it, nothing if they can (training, etc).
But they are getting better and that is what is really important. Yes it was a pain trying to write stuff early on and even then MS tried to make things like MFC easier on us by providing things like Visual Studio that made some of the 'more complicated than it needs to be' stuff easy. Visual Studio.NEt and C# and windows forms are light years ahead of the old MFC stuff. Having to actually try and get some programs to communicate with exchange I will acknowledge that COM is a huge pain in the ass, however once you understand how it works and havea couple programs under your belt it does make sense in an OO sort of way.
Oh and VB programmers is an oxymoron.
This may sound trollish (hence not posting at +1):
I'm glad gtk.org has docs, now how about doing some OpenGL stuff, i'd like to write a small server, some shell scripting help would be nice can I find the docs for those at gtk.org too?
As I said above in a post, msdn is nice because the docs for every development platform MS has are there along with examples.
You're talking two different types of documentation.
The original post was about msdn, docs for developers, lib calls example code etc.
The help you where looking for (at least from yyour posting) was how to install office or exchange.
I'll agree that MS's documentation in that respect is lacking but their developer documentation is quite nice and is all in one place. Something OSS is severily lacking.
As I said in my original post they are basing their request on the idea that it is enough for oyu to tell them there is a problem without having to demonstrate it.
Personally I think that if just telling them worked we wouldn't be in this perdicament. However a lot of companies will reply with the usual "well its not being exploited in the wild so we'll get it in the next SP" which then causes someone to make an exploit to expidite the fix.
I think the point is that they assume it is enough for you to tell someone and that you don't have to go kick down a wall to show them.
heh heh
I guess I should have stated that the hassle was setting up a port forwarder. While a workaround it doesn't change the fact that it is a pain to write a new set of docs for MSN users