You're missing the point. I did read the definition (and, after almost a decade in patient care and another decade in biomedical research, I'm pretty well familiar with what is and isn't a vaccine, anyway.) The definition in no way excludes the vaccine being discussed in TFA. Your crotchety-old-man schtick is moderately amusing, but in this case you've followed it to the point of arguing an indefensible position.
To my complete lack of surprise, once I extracted the URL from the mangled mess you posted, I found that there was absolutely nothing at all in the definition given which excludes the type of vaccine discussed in TFA. Maybe you should take the time to read the pages you (try to) link to?
You have the right to your opinion, of course. And I have the right to tell you that your opinion is wrong. That's how free speech works. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time grasping the concept.
If you object to my definitions, please feel free to offer your own. Or do you genuinely not recognize the difference between skepticism and denial?
My grasp of science is based on being a scientist. Yours, I suspect, is based on whatever garbage Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck spoonfeed into your otherwise empty brain.
WV seceded from VA at a time when VA was in active armed rebellion against the US. Also, federal government != state government. It's absurd to try to equate the two.
In case you didn't notice, the entire country has a budget shortfall, and it's a hell of a lot larger per capita than California's. The US has a projected deficit this FY of $1.4 trillion, and a population of about 304 million, or about $4600 per person. California has a projected deficit of $21 billion, and a population of about 36.7 million, or about $570 per person. As another poster pointed out, it is very consistently the "liberal tax and spend" states (including CA) which prop up the "conservative small government" states by contributing far more to federal revenues than they receive. All the red state self-proclaimed rugged individualists are sucking at the government teat. Fair warning: sooner or later those of us who pay the bills will get tired of it.
If the email says "Hey Bob, your algorithm didn't produce the level of warming we were expecting, we need you to rework it so it is in line with our expectations" that would say a lot about how the 'science' is being done... I'm not saying that is what the leaked information says...
Oh, that's a neat trick. Here's another one for you:
If the email says, "Hey Bob, how did those live babies you ate for breakfast taste," that would say a lot about how Bob needs to be on death row. But I'm not saying that's what the leaked information says!
Ah, that makes sense, in a sad way. In the bioinformatics world, we're used to the existence of large open archives, but of course this is because the funding agencies have specifically made grants for the purpose. Perhaps NASA or the NSF could be persuaded to think about such a thing, at some point.
... why this isn't obvious, and being done already?
From my layman's POV, it seems like we have telescopes all over the spectrum, from X-rays to long radio waves, constantly gathering enormous amounts of data which could easily be mined for dark energy detection, SETI, and just about anything else conceivable. So while I think it's very cool that two such different applications can share data and techniques, I'd like to know what the reasons are that this doesn't just happen all the time. Is it a reluctance to share data, differences in the type of data needed, or something else entirely?
the estimated masses are around one solar mass, which means they are no where near earth-sized
From the Wiki article: "[White dwarfs] are very dense; a white dwarf's mass is comparable to that of the Sun and its volume is comparable to that of the Earth."
Be very careful about calling other people stupid when you're about to say something demonstrably false.
Yeah, that makes sense. And I doubt the amount of caffeine in a typical serving of Kahlua is significant. I certainly don't feel any more awake after I've had it.;)
Point-of-sale mixed drinks are specifically excluded. It's kind of arbitrary, yeah, but the FDA doesn't really have jurisdiction over that kind of thing. State and local health departments do, of course, and I can see some overzealous crusader trying to make a name for himself that way, but trying to get rid of classic caffeine-and-alcohol combinations like Irish coffee or rum and Coke would probably create too much of a backlash.
Hmmm, I wonder about chocolate and coffee liqueurs? I can't see them banning Kahlua any time soon, either.
Liquid Charge, Max Fury, Hard Wired, Vicious Vodka... Anyone who sells stuff with names like that deserves to be shut down. Of course, anyone who buys the stuff deserves whatever happens to them, so maybe they should stay on the market.;)
I was kind of thinking that. Obviously wound treatment is the first market for this kind of thing, but it will surely be used for food production sooner or later -- basically, as soon as the cost of a pound of lab-grown beef falls below the cost of a pound grown the old-fashioned way as part of a cow. I suspect that will be a while yet, but it seems inevitable. At which point we will see food wars like nothing we've seen yet. You think people get passionate about genetically engineered plants? Heh.
Never-the-less, people with large sums of money have more freedoms than people who don't.
Except in this case, they clearly didn't. GPP's argument wasn't a strawman -- or rather, if you believe it is, explain why; saying "that's a strawman" isn't sufficient.
Or maybe you and GPP just aren't smart enough to see the irony.
The American lawyer dealing with this is named Godwin. Surely you get the irony in that, if nothing else.
"Ironic" was a stupid song, but the stupidity of the reaction to it is far greater. Every use of the word "ironic" is now a red flag for every would-be pedant who isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Silliness. Court records, including the names of the parties involved, are sealed all the time in the US, for a variety of reasons. Germany simply has a different set of reasons than the US does. (In the US those reasons generally involve money, while in Germany they involve blood; this should come as a surprise to nobody.) If you think any one country, including the US, is going to do an adequate job preserving freedom of speech online, you're deluding yourself.
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You're missing the point. I did read the definition (and, after almost a decade in patient care and another decade in biomedical research, I'm pretty well familiar with what is and isn't a vaccine, anyway.) The definition in no way excludes the vaccine being discussed in TFA. Your crotchety-old-man schtick is moderately amusing, but in this case you've followed it to the point of arguing an indefensible position.
To my complete lack of surprise, once I extracted the URL from the mangled mess you posted, I found that there was absolutely nothing at all in the definition given which excludes the type of vaccine discussed in TFA. Maybe you should take the time to read the pages you (try to) link to?
Um, why don't you cite the particular dictionary that you claim proves your point? "Not according to dictionary," indeed ...
You have the right to your opinion, of course. And I have the right to tell you that your opinion is wrong. That's how free speech works. I'm sorry you're having such a hard time grasping the concept.
If you object to my definitions, please feel free to offer your own. Or do you genuinely not recognize the difference between skepticism and denial?
My grasp of science is based on being a scientist. Yours, I suspect, is based on whatever garbage Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck spoonfeed into your otherwise empty brain.
WV seceded from VA at a time when VA was in active armed rebellion against the US. Also, federal government != state government. It's absurd to try to equate the two.
prohibit those on the dole from voting
It's a nice idea, but you know the CEOs of major defense contractors would never put up with being told they can't vote.
In case you didn't notice, the entire country has a budget shortfall, and it's a hell of a lot larger per capita than California's. The US has a projected deficit this FY of $1.4 trillion, and a population of about 304 million, or about $4600 per person. California has a projected deficit of $21 billion, and a population of about 36.7 million, or about $570 per person. As another poster pointed out, it is very consistently the "liberal tax and spend" states (including CA) which prop up the "conservative small government" states by contributing far more to federal revenues than they receive. All the red state self-proclaimed rugged individualists are sucking at the government teat. Fair warning: sooner or later those of us who pay the bills will get tired of it.
If the email says "Hey Bob, your algorithm didn't produce the level of warming we were expecting, we need you to rework it so it is in line with our expectations" that would say a lot about how the 'science' is being done ... I'm not saying that is what the leaked information says ...
Oh, that's a neat trick. Here's another one for you:
If the email says, "Hey Bob, how did those live babies you ate for breakfast taste," that would say a lot about how Bob needs to be on death row. But I'm not saying that's what the leaked information says!
A skeptic is someone who is dubious, but willing to be convinced by sufficient evidence.
A denialist is someone whose mind is made up, and will never be convinced by any amount of evidence.
There isn't much skepticism about anthropogenic climate change these days, but there's a hell of a lot of denial.
Ah, that makes sense, in a sad way. In the bioinformatics world, we're used to the existence of large open archives, but of course this is because the funding agencies have specifically made grants for the purpose. Perhaps NASA or the NSF could be persuaded to think about such a thing, at some point.
... why this isn't obvious, and being done already?
From my layman's POV, it seems like we have telescopes all over the spectrum, from X-rays to long radio waves, constantly gathering enormous amounts of data which could easily be mined for dark energy detection, SETI, and just about anything else conceivable. So while I think it's very cool that two such different applications can share data and techniques, I'd like to know what the reasons are that this doesn't just happen all the time. Is it a reluctance to share data, differences in the type of data needed, or something else entirely?
the estimated masses are around one solar mass, which means they are no where near earth-sized
From the Wiki article: "[White dwarfs] are very dense; a white dwarf's mass is comparable to that of the Sun and its volume is comparable to that of the Earth."
Be very careful about calling other people stupid when you're about to say something demonstrably false.
Yeah, that makes sense. And I doubt the amount of caffeine in a typical serving of Kahlua is significant. I certainly don't feel any more awake after I've had it. ;)
Point-of-sale mixed drinks are specifically excluded. It's kind of arbitrary, yeah, but the FDA doesn't really have jurisdiction over that kind of thing. State and local health departments do, of course, and I can see some overzealous crusader trying to make a name for himself that way, but trying to get rid of classic caffeine-and-alcohol combinations like Irish coffee or rum and Coke would probably create too much of a backlash.
Hmmm, I wonder about chocolate and coffee liqueurs? I can't see them banning Kahlua any time soon, either.
Liquid Charge, Max Fury, Hard Wired, Vicious Vodka ... Anyone who sells stuff with names like that deserves to be shut down. Of course, anyone who buys the stuff deserves whatever happens to them, so maybe they should stay on the market. ;)
I was kind of thinking that. Obviously wound treatment is the first market for this kind of thing, but it will surely be used for food production sooner or later -- basically, as soon as the cost of a pound of lab-grown beef falls below the cost of a pound grown the old-fashioned way as part of a cow. I suspect that will be a while yet, but it seems inevitable. At which point we will see food wars like nothing we've seen yet. You think people get passionate about genetically engineered plants? Heh.
While I think you're probably right, I have to say, that's a pretty dangerous line of reasoning.
Never-the-less, people with large sums of money have more freedoms than people who don't.
Except in this case, they clearly didn't. GPP's argument wasn't a strawman -- or rather, if you believe it is, explain why; saying "that's a strawman" isn't sufficient.
Ah, even more irony!
Well, it makes sense when you think about it, that a Usenet celebrity would end up working for Wikipedia.
Or maybe you and GPP just aren't smart enough to see the irony.
The American lawyer dealing with this is named Godwin. Surely you get the irony in that, if nothing else.
"Ironic" was a stupid song, but the stupidity of the reaction to it is far greater. Every use of the word "ironic" is now a red flag for every would-be pedant who isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
I don't care what their names are. What are they doing out of prison?
They did the crime, they served their time. What's so hard to understand about that?
Silliness. Court records, including the names of the parties involved, are sealed all the time in the US, for a variety of reasons. Germany simply has a different set of reasons than the US does. (In the US those reasons generally involve money, while in Germany they involve blood; this should come as a surprise to nobody.) If you think any one country, including the US, is going to do an adequate job preserving freedom of speech online, you're deluding yourself.
How's that socialism working out for you?
About as well as capitalism is working out for us, apparently.
You just keep on digging that hole you're in, kid.