Rocket launcher: $ 100,000
Liquid Fuel: $ 50,000
Robotics, radio transmitters, solar panels, batteries, HD cameras, processors, memory, one terabyte harddrive, testings and personnel: $80,000
Having your torrent tracker in the moon, priceless.
have you read the article?
you can't insulate gamma ray, can you imagine networks with cables insulated with 10 inches of lead?
yeah, that would be a break through in telecommunications!
goodness...omg, omg, i thought you were kidding about the RIAA... no comments.
I am RIEEndo que me muero... Your solution is much amusing than aluminium foils!! LOLLLLL
Since you already defeated their "wiretaps", I would like to ask you what "system" they are using and what method you used to defeat them. Just a broad idea of what technology is involved in this statistical big brother.
What statistics could a recording of a simple call to my grandma reveal? Demographic? Tastes? Political? Market trend? Secret codes? I am thinking in the basis of practicality and the knowledge I have about the available technologies used by intelligence agencies and what and how much resources would demand to analyze a über-supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-frreaking-gigantic traffic of unrelated/irrelevant information to extract "bits" of useful information (specially when you say it is not targeted and it has equal priority for all the population). Even if you say that it is for statistical purposes, it sounds more and more like bullshit. I think you had been reading about Echelon and the use of it for Corporate Spying and you misunderstood it.
I beg you, please, don't say that your way to defeat government wiretaps is wrapping your head with Aluminum Foil.
hehe, well, well, I thought that part was easy to digest.
They can do whatever they want with you, but they will focus their resources when they have some reason to suspect you.
I don't think they have monitoring 24hrs every and each people connected to the internet. We are practically invisible (useless noise) until we trigger some keywords or strange behaviors, protocols, encryption, whatever. Like saying ECHELON, BIN LADEN, BUSH, KILLING... damn, now I must be spotted. (CIA guys please don't send me Jason Bourne!)
And about the feds needing a warrant, that is the right way. I don't want to discuss the illegal means, I could stay hours writing about that.
wow, so even with the hard drive zeroed (I guess that is what you mean with "low level format"), it keeps calling home?
Is that black magic?
An obscure embedded system in the hard drive asks the motherboard to dial a phone number? Or does the hard drive have a rj-11 plug labeled "plug here for tracing"?
(ring ring)
-Hi I am Agent Morris from the FBI we are tracing back a computer criminal and our tracing records indicate that our suspect is accessing the Internet through your ISP
-Alo?
-yes, I am Agent Morris from...
-que chingado este guey... Apurale para cuando los chilaquiles guey?
-hello?
-alo? alo? jaja, apurale pues... que lo pedí ya hace media hora, eh? con salsa verde, orale.
(hang up)
well, unless you are a suspected terrorist and the feds get a warrant to activate your beaming and tracing...
but cmon, it is highly unlikely that terrorist will have their lojack or computrace service activated. (you have to pay for it)
So, if you are not suspicious would you care if the tracking company knows that your computer is being connected from where it is supposed to be connected?
Your argument is weak, it is like saying "I dont want to have an alarm in my house because they will know when I am not at home and when I activate it". Yes, and that is real time! they are monitoring 24 hours, 7 days a week.
thermite, c4 or semtex is only for highly suspicious or highly sensitive top secret data who rather destroying the harddrive than recovering it.
btw, thermite is the way to go. Scattered in pieces and/or burned hard drives can still have some recoverable bits.
A melted down or single chunk of metal there is no way of recovering it not even in the worst scenario. Btw, thermite it is a lot cheaper, and even legal.
lol, that doesn't make any sense. Tell me how and where would that "small" hard drive be attached AND pass unnoticed? Would you deattach it and hide it once the computer is shut down?
But what if it is found? Irreversible destruction of data is your safe free pass to avoid jail, if you had a very compromising data I wouldn't risk it in any way. But of course if you have a very safe place where to hide it, you can still have to use the thermite, actually twice: 1) to mislead the police, since they would think that the computer they were looking for is destructed, and most of the time they wouldn't bother to search for another backup system if you took so drastic measures. 2) Another thermite in the hidden backup. If they had any reason to suspect that you can be hiding a backup of the data and they find it, boom, evidence destructed. If they close the case and you don't have any reason to believe they are following you, you deactivate the thermite trap and keep on game.
But what if you need the compromising data online and working in your internal network or if you are processing it 24 hs, whatever it is? How do you unmount and hide it in the precise moment when the feds breaks in? No matter how small it is, it has to be attached to a motherboard. As long it is connected it will be found. Destruction is the only way out. Thermite.
lol...
That is why it is ideal to have the alarm sensors located in a very specific place, and not to use the home alarm system... some sort of a "dmz zone" within your house, thus reducing the chance of getting a false alarm from the outside...for example a double compartment in the basement with a second alarm system that triggers the thermite. Now if you forget the password, then you re screwed...
What about Thermite? Cheap, easy and fast.
If I were a serious paranoid, I would:
1) Use Whole Hard Drive Encryption. Even in the case that the hard drive is not destroyed, once I turn the computer off the data is not accessible for anybody.
2) If the police bust in, ignite the Thermite, and forget about it. The proper volume of iron oxide will melt down the whole hard drive or at least fusion it in a unique chunk of metal. Try to recover that.
3) If I am worried that the police may come in when I am absent, then rewire the home alarm system to the thermite fuse. Nothing really hard. If someone gets to the room the alarms goes off, and instead of the siren going off, it ignites the fuse initiating the thermite reaction... melting it down, while the feds are still searching in the house for people and the computer.
4) If I were a über-paranoid, then I would build a faraday cage in my room and all of above.
And you forgot to mention that they must have a slight idea of what they are looking for to know the pattern or the format to find or rebuild.
If they don't know what they are looking for, it is almost impossible to discern among all the junk in the hard drive, and this if it is not wiped. If it is overwritten, forget it.
Then, don't you find suitable my advises to give him a reality check?
Give him the real thing, show him how a real trojan works and some technical papers. Why don't you show him the whole process? Get an unpatched (Sp1) Windows XP (download it), and do a complete "hacking" job, exploiting DCOM RPC, uploading a backdoor, executing it, getting gui control remotely and finally loading the keylogging module of the trojan?.
It is not hard to do, it will look impressive ("oh, my god he is using the console, he is a hacker") and the exploits available are very stable and sophisticated.
You can even change the console to "color 0a" to make it look "cooler" =P (Oh my god, my dad is a über-hacker!)
If it is hard for you to perform such a show, just give him what I told you, real cases, technical papers or from trustable sources. That looks more objective than the "news media". And as I told you before there is a case in grc.com GO TO THE SITE and click the DRDoS note. If he has some brain, I think he will get it.
You are underestimating how valuable and powerful distributed computing is, my friend.
It has been used as a distributed MD5 crackers, collisions in SHA-1, and search for extraterrestrial life... (eer... yeah)
Having a gigantic botnet of at least 100,000 computers to unimaginable millions of infected computers that we'll probably ignoring or we are unable to detect, this gives a tremendous asset to a malicious hacker.
It is a very fat milking cow:
1) Crack passwords that it is not considered crackeable in a reasonable amount of time
2) Botnets to attack whoever he wants (at a reasonable price or for a reasonable cause)
3) Millions of Passwords, logins accounts, paypal, amazon, credit card, identity, whatever, stolen.
4) Millions of proxies to hop on and chain hiding the source of a real meticulous attack.
5) Millions of illegal distributed server to host for illegal materials (eg: virii, worms, child pornography)
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah! without spacesuits...!
Rocket launcher: $ 100,000
Liquid Fuel: $ 50,000
Robotics, radio transmitters, solar panels, batteries, HD cameras, processors, memory, one terabyte harddrive, testings and personnel: $80,000
Having your torrent tracker in the moon, priceless.
encryption.and remote attestation...
have you read the article? you can't insulate gamma ray, can you imagine networks with cables insulated with 10 inches of lead? yeah, that would be a break through in telecommunications!
insulation? lots of mass with high atomic number and high density. lots. this laser will be useful only for killing.
He was saying that the hardrive removed and replaced in another box keeps making calls, he wasn't talking about hard drive encryption.
goodness...omg, omg, i thought you were kidding about the RIAA... no comments. I am RIEEndo que me muero... Your solution is much amusing than aluminium foils!! LOLLLLL
What statistics could a recording of a simple call to my grandma reveal? Demographic? Tastes? Political? Market trend? Secret codes?
I am thinking in the basis of practicality and the knowledge I have about the available technologies used by intelligence agencies and what and how much resources would demand to analyze a über-supercalifragilisticexpialidocious-frreaking-gigantic traffic of unrelated/irrelevant information to extract "bits" of useful information (specially when you say it is not targeted and it has equal priority for all the population). Even if you say that it is for statistical purposes, it sounds more and more like bullshit.
I think you had been reading about Echelon and the use of it for Corporate Spying and you misunderstood it.
I beg you, please, don't say that your way to defeat government wiretaps is wrapping your head with Aluminum Foil.
so for you, the man is free of mistakes, just overlookings...
hehe, well, well, I thought that part was easy to digest.
They can do whatever they want with you, but they will focus their resources when they have some reason to suspect you.
I don't think they have monitoring 24hrs every and each people connected to the internet. We are practically invisible (useless noise) until we trigger some keywords or strange behaviors, protocols, encryption, whatever. Like saying ECHELON, BIN LADEN, BUSH, KILLING... damn, now I must be spotted.
(CIA guys please don't send me Jason Bourne!) And about the feds needing a warrant, that is the right way. I don't want to discuss the illegal means, I could stay hours writing about that.
wow, so even with the hard drive zeroed (I guess that is what you mean with "low level format"), it keeps calling home?
Is that black magic?
An obscure embedded system in the hard drive asks the motherboard to dial a phone number?
Or does the hard drive have a rj-11 plug labeled "plug here for tracing"?
Modern laptops don't come with easily removable clock batteries my friend like the desktop ones.
And leave a trail of dead pixels resembling in your lcd screen! damn that is smart! no wonder nobody would sell it!
(ring ring)
-Hi I am Agent Morris from the FBI we are tracing back a computer criminal and our tracing records indicate that our suspect is accessing the Internet through your ISP
-Alo?
-yes, I am Agent Morris from...
-que chingado este guey... Apurale para cuando los chilaquiles guey?
-hello?
-alo? alo? jaja, apurale pues... que lo pedí ya hace media hora, eh? con salsa verde, orale.
(hang up)
well I think that even with semtex will be hard to get rid of windows...
...unless they are behind a firewall blocking smtp and pop3.
well, unless you are a suspected terrorist and the feds get a warrant to activate your beaming and tracing... but cmon, it is highly unlikely that terrorist will have their lojack or computrace service activated. (you have to pay for it) So, if you are not suspicious would you care if the tracking company knows that your computer is being connected from where it is supposed to be connected? Your argument is weak, it is like saying "I dont want to have an alarm in my house because they will know when I am not at home and when I activate it". Yes, and that is real time! they are monitoring 24 hours, 7 days a week. thermite, c4 or semtex is only for highly suspicious or highly sensitive top secret data who rather destroying the harddrive than recovering it. btw, thermite is the way to go. Scattered in pieces and/or burned hard drives can still have some recoverable bits. A melted down or single chunk of metal there is no way of recovering it not even in the worst scenario. Btw, thermite it is a lot cheaper, and even legal.
lol, that doesn't make any sense. Tell me how and where would that "small" hard drive be attached AND pass unnoticed?
Would you deattach it and hide it once the computer is shut down?
But what if it is found? Irreversible destruction of data is your safe free pass to avoid jail, if you had a very compromising data I wouldn't risk it in any way.
But of course if you have a very safe place where to hide it, you can still have to use the thermite, actually twice: 1) to mislead the police, since they would think that the computer they were looking for is destructed, and most of the time they wouldn't bother to search for another backup system if you took so drastic measures.
2) Another thermite in the hidden backup. If they had any reason to suspect that you can be hiding a backup of the data and they find it, boom, evidence destructed.
If they close the case and you don't have any reason to believe they are following you, you deactivate the thermite trap and keep on game.
But what if you need the compromising data online and working in your internal network or if you are processing it 24 hs, whatever it is? How do you unmount and hide it in the precise moment when the feds breaks in?
No matter how small it is, it has to be attached to a motherboard. As long it is connected it will be found. Destruction is the only way out. Thermite.
lol...
That is why it is ideal to have the alarm sensors located in a very specific place, and not to use the home alarm system... some sort of a "dmz zone" within your house, thus reducing the chance of getting a false alarm from the outside...for example a double compartment in the basement with a second alarm system that triggers the thermite. Now if you forget the password, then you re screwed...
If I were a serious paranoid, I would:
1) Use Whole Hard Drive Encryption. Even in the case that the hard drive is not destroyed, once I turn the computer off the data is not accessible for anybody.
2) If the police bust in, ignite the Thermite, and forget about it. The proper volume of iron oxide will melt down the whole hard drive or at least fusion it in a unique chunk of metal. Try to recover that.
3) If I am worried that the police may come in when I am absent, then rewire the home alarm system to the thermite fuse. Nothing really hard. If someone gets to the room the alarms goes off, and instead of the siren going off, it ignites the fuse initiating the thermite reaction... melting it down, while the feds are still searching in the house for people and the computer.
4) If I were a über-paranoid, then I would build a faraday cage in my room and all of above.
It is a jargon, not proper grammar. I thought that by now every Slashdot reader knew this.
And you forgot to mention that they must have a slight idea of what they are looking for to know the pattern or the format to find or rebuild.
If they don't know what they are looking for, it is almost impossible to discern among all the junk in the hard drive, and this if it is not wiped. If it is overwritten, forget it.
http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/Content/Chapters/ AboutCERN/CERNFuture/WhatLHC/WhatLHC-en.html
Soon the universe will be ours, my friend, soon.
Give him the real thing, show him how a real trojan works and some technical papers.
Why don't you show him the whole process? Get an unpatched (Sp1) Windows XP (download it), and do a complete "hacking" job, exploiting DCOM RPC, uploading a backdoor, executing it, getting gui control remotely and finally loading the keylogging module of the trojan?.
It is not hard to do, it will look impressive ("oh, my god he is using the console, he is a hacker") and the exploits available are very stable and sophisticated.
You can even change the console to "color 0a" to make it look "cooler" =P (Oh my god, my dad is a über-hacker!)
If it is hard for you to perform such a show, just give him what I told you, real cases, technical papers or from trustable sources. That looks more objective than the "news media". And as I told you before there is a case in grc.com GO TO THE SITE and click the DRDoS note.
If he has some brain, I think he will get it.
It has been used as a distributed MD5 crackers, collisions in SHA-1, and search for extraterrestrial life... (eer... yeah)
Having a gigantic botnet of at least 100,000 computers to unimaginable millions of infected computers that we'll probably ignoring or we are unable to detect, this gives a tremendous asset to a malicious hacker.
It is a very fat milking cow:
1) Crack passwords that it is not considered crackeable in a reasonable amount of time
2) Botnets to attack whoever he wants (at a reasonable price or for a reasonable cause)
3) Millions of Passwords, logins accounts, paypal, amazon, credit card, identity, whatever, stolen.
4) Millions of proxies to hop on and chain hiding the source of a real meticulous attack. 5) Millions of illegal distributed server to host for illegal materials (eg: virii, worms, child pornography)
Etc...