I don't believe that someone working in Linux for so long should remain in ignorance.
FVWM, Saig Office, Midnight Commander and GNU-utilities like tar, ls, gcc, ftp and many more lightweight X and console tools are terrific for the lightweight lean mean user and are all actively maintained. NCurses is better than ever with bindings in Ada, C++ and other languages. Tex is still going strong.
They are great! They are cool, and they can impress women, and better than everything else they free your dependance on Nautilus. Go try them today!
Two years ago, we were happy about advances in Linux usability and technology. We were a happy band, encouraging and helpful.
Now? Well we've grown out of the innocent outskirts and hit the big city. Screams of "this is bloated", "this sucks", "this doesn't work" and "this will never work, fall from the greasy windows of tall concrete buildings.
Some from MS plants, some from idiots that want us to stop and look at them, and some jealous that they will never get true credit for something good.
Its been a year since we noticed the change from real hackers to wannabe managers on slashdot. And in the confusion, I sit back like many unheard others that think 'I could use this' and 'this is actualy pretty cool'.
So for anyone who is wondering if slashdot shows a cross section of the linux community, rest assured it doesn't. You are invited to join us and let the trolls stamp around in their own go-nowhere lives.
Linus has repeatedly said one of his favorite parts of linux is that it is how he wants it to be. No commitee, no voting, etc...
I think that if there was a CVS, Linus would still run a kernel based on how he liked it and wanted it, and incorporate from the CVS if he wanted to.
Think of it from his position, he wrote it and people have been helping him this whole time. Even big corporations submit patches to him. Its the ultimate life, the valhala of programming.
Nevertheless, Linus is actualy a nice guy. Even though he never admits it, and goes out of his way to disprove it, he actualy likes helping people. He's happy to see his operating system be of such great service to so many people around the world. So we usualy wind up getting what we want. In fact, its his ability to please 95% of the Linux users that has kept us from any forks.
A few distributed managed based forks have started here and there, especialy for such special interests as PPC. It would be interesting if a CVS fork of linux would ever take off.
And it would solve a lot of problems if people really paid the price of their own actions. Instead we have a society bent on focusing the payment on to those least able to pay them.
Central American Fruit, South American Beef, Middle Eastern Oil, 3rd world labor exploitation aside the problem lies in mistaking freedom for free, and I don't mean as in software.
My uncle was a car salesman for a week. He went in to it thinking 'I'll just be honest, and actualy give them a good deal.' He left the job shaking his head because people didn't want an honest good deal they wanted an unbelievable deal. Free this, and free that, unbelievably high prices that are chopped in half but still retian a 100% profit margin (see: Robinsons-May Co.) Staple products that are very inexpensive no matter how much they really cost (see: Southern California Utilities, Bankrupting of.)
Taxation, in a truely ethical stance is merely the way to put the price back on to the people best able to pay them. I've thought that for a long time. As a side note, in a philanthropic sence taxation should be a contribution or vote in the belief of how well the government works for them.
I was one of those you hated also. I went around thinking "The world doesn't understand the genius" until I came to the same epiphany as pizza man in Death by Pizza; Its not that the world doesn't understand the genius its that the genius doesn't understand the world.
My brother had his fingers slammed in his book for reading ahead. Another brother was sent home when a teacher got mad at him for not listening in class. When she quized him on the subject (even through in a few questions about what she wasn't talking about) and he answered them all she just got angry and sent him home for the day.
So I was going to be revenge on teachers. I learned to be a real middle finger up at society. Until I learned that being that way was really easy. A dummy could do it, in fact all my friends that were doing it really were dumb.
So I learned that school was a place where I could learn to be in control rather than curse those who were in control. A place where I could get what I wanted. From then on, I have cooperated with the world and found it a much better place (and me a lot less of a genius) than before. I'm much happier now. Much happier.
I like your post. I wish we could post it every ten years. Remember Junk Bonds? Those were the high risk gambling of the 80's, Aeronotics were the 60's, Stock Exchanges in General in the 1920's, Gold in the 1850's. (War was the way to make it big in the 1930's and for millenia before before for that matter.)
Every ten years produces young ambitious people that want to make millions by the time they are 30 and are willing to gamble the rest of their lives for it.
I know someone who commutes from Riverside to El Segunda every day. He leaves at 4:30 and gets home at 9. I think if he tried to brave traffic he would only cut two hours off all of that.
No, they are successful --as in full. But not successful as in replacing private transportation like is done in Tokyo, New York, etc... All your pointing to is that the trains aren't over or underdeveloped. That is more successful management rather then the kind of success I am refering to.
Land was the biggest commodity of the west, and one of the main attractors. A good book, "The Grass Grows Greener over the Septic Tank" by Erma Bombeck (I think) is built on this premise.
The commoditizing of land was held in check by transportation restraints until 1940. People didn't want to live 'far' from town. Far in minutes rather than miles.
With faster/cheaper cars and transport trucks a more dispersed city was possible. And it still is, even more now than then. However is still more efficient to build things smart, and poorer people can really benefit by that efficiency.
Anyway, it still is a wives tale. In my experience city planners then and today saw development as revenue more than how much gas they could sell them.
Here you go! Happy breathing!
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And even these are more efficient that current combustion engines. Why? Becuase they can be run at their spec performance, full throttle. And then turned off when they aren't in use.
An engine is least efficient at idle and part throttle, so if you eliminate those modes you get a much more efficient engine. You also get a more efficient engine by running it at 'spec'. Spec is the rpm where everything in the car is running at its most efficient level.
This same technique helped a rather ordinary Chevy Metro get over 115mph.
This is also why power plants are less poluting than automobiles, and I won't even get into scrubbers and other polution reducing systems that just aren't feasable on cars but very feasable on huge power plants.
And transporting electricity isn't as inefficient as you many would lead you to believe. It is very inefficient to power the trucks carrying gasoline, and store it in cities where land prices are very expensive anyway. As it turns out (funny enough) even in the So Cal gas crunch, cents per mile is 3/4 for a electric car for a simularly weighted gasoline car.
Remember the LA Subway? I remember a good piece on why it was doomed to fail but I can't find it. If you look it up you will find a chart of population density where public transportation becomes feasable.
Basicaly becuase public transportation is slowed down by the amount of stops it makes, it isn't feasable until there is a certain population density. That is why mass transit in Tokyo, Chicago and Tokyo is successful and why the LA subway will never be built.
In the mean time there is a trend toward "Smart Development" in So. Cal. It is essentialy a more urban development, forcing development to be more dense. It relieves pressure on freeways, land development, etc... You need the right infrastructure to make mass transit work, not the other way around.
Meanwhile people still see government as a self serving titan, rather than a screaming playground where someone forgot to bring the ball.
After repeatedly saying I'm not touching that issue becuase it is incidental, you try to resurrect it. (And shoot for some mediocre personal attacks, you kindergarten superstar!)
Sorry, but what is tuned for what is not an issue I care about. I can't even see why it matters to Microsoft (for the reason I mentioned). And I said I'm *not* accusing them of baiting --becuase I am not. The other responder has a good point, MS doens't have the intelligence quota to accomplish such a clever device.
I *am* accusing people like you (and you know who you are) of diverting the issue with trifle little issues. All I am interested in is one simple question, will MS continue to make a positive difference and even win over community support by being open or will they continue to try to control the media with heavy handed censorship?
If there are tuning issues, then publish benchmarks to show it. Maybe you could if you are sooo interested.
I've watched the Slashdot community turn from all Linux to almost pro-Microsoft. I think fuddled attepts at MS bashing have turned into a spin doctoring that is very MS-esque.
The Kerberos thing, they try to sue people who publish their Kerberos specs, so they link them on Slashdot. Then they try to sue Slashdot. Then, they simply open their specs and we all see there was nothing worry about. (One could suspect them as baiting the community but I won't.)
Earlier there was MindCraft benchmarks, where NT whooped Linux. Well, as many first started attacking MindCraft for being skewed, they opened their process and showed that infact it was skewed --but not at least in the ways that the community had accused them of! (One could suspect them of baiting the community but I won't.)
Now we have MS apperantly squelching benchmarks on their SQL servers. Slashdot gets up in a riot, while many people point out that SQL 7.0 was ment for NT 4, and the 2000's were meant for each other.
Again a nice simple answer that could leave the community red-faced. On close examination however, we consider then what MS is doing in the first place? If MSSQL+ windows 2000 was faster than SQL 7.0 + NT4.0 then there is no to do. Such a benchmark would encourage a double upgrade rather than one! More money right?
So I take issue with those trying to come to MS's aid on this one. Do they understand what the real issue is? Its not MS's evil ways or kangaroo trial by community. Its simply that they should continue to be open and let their users figure it out for themselves.
I've used Photoshop for Man and PC, and I've also taught classes on Photoshop where the students in the class were a Mac and PC mix (and at that the Macs were a year older than the PC's).
Photoshop is more intuitive to the Mac way of doing things. Window layouts, minimizing, hotkeys, etc were easier to teach to Mac people than Windows people. They are easier for me to use than on Windows.
For me I always go down the hall and use Macs when I use Photoshop becuase it is easier for me. And I am even more familiar with PC's than Macs.
Photoshop is also faster, more glitch free on Macintosh. It is a much smoother operation. It may sound aesthetical but the experience is actualy very notable.
I won't touch the rest of the flamefare, except to say that I like both. Everytime work on Linux for a long time and move to Windows there's things I realize I missed. Then when I go back to Linux I realized that I have missed a lot of functionality and fun there too.
Windows has more polish and integration. Linux has more power, robustness, intelligence and ingenuity. Things I do in Windows, I do a lot easier in Linux when I know how to do them. In fact I run Cygwin on Windows becuase its shell tools are much easier and more powerful than the windows find command, etc...
Dangit, my argument has flaws. I lose. Its so much more compelling when you can call yourself intelligent and pronounce everyone that sees things like you see them as intelligent also.
Well, I'll have a good day even though I lost. You too, have fun.
It is a trademard issue. A union between a man and a woman is marriage. A same-sex union is entirely different, it can't achieve the same things it doesn't taste the same it doesn't look the same. The only simularity is that it is a union.
Your also very split in your arguments. I sense much pent up anger that is leading to your forked argument. Why do you argue the Mormon Church as weak and giving in to public opinion at the same time you argue it is strong and trying to force its morality on them?
Indeed, it was much more than Mormons that got the overwhelmming majority victory for prop 22. They believed in the trademark and enforced it, all of them. So now, a same-sex union is called a domestic partnership (heck my non-gay old boss registered with his roomate as a domestic partnership to get a discout at Costco.) Its a much more descriptive and appropriate term.
Marraige means something more, and if you don't see that then it isn't my fault. And it doesn't even require the GALC to suffer. They do writh and twist as if they are being punished like spoiled children denied candy before dinner.
Its time to realise it was the right thing to do. It wasn't oppressive, it was simply fair for both parties.
Wait! Call the FAA, the ban on smoking advertising is a breach of the First Amendment! At least under your very compelling arguments. You could help set back America 50 years! Why wait?
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I don't believe that someone working in Linux for so long should remain in ignorance.
FVWM, Saig Office, Midnight Commander and GNU-utilities like tar, ls, gcc, ftp and many more lightweight X and console tools are terrific for the lightweight lean mean user and are all actively maintained. NCurses is better than ever with bindings in Ada, C++ and other languages. Tex is still going strong.
They are great! They are cool, and they can impress women, and better than everything else they free your dependance on Nautilus. Go try them today!
~^~~^~^^~~^
Two years ago, we were happy about advances in Linux usability and technology. We were a happy band, encouraging and helpful.
Now? Well we've grown out of the innocent outskirts and hit the big city. Screams of "this is bloated", "this sucks", "this doesn't work" and "this will never work, fall from the greasy windows of tall concrete buildings.
Some from MS plants, some from idiots that want us to stop and look at them, and some jealous that they will never get true credit for something good.
Its been a year since we noticed the change from real hackers to wannabe managers on slashdot. And in the confusion, I sit back like many unheard others that think 'I could use this' and 'this is actualy pretty cool'.
So for anyone who is wondering if slashdot shows a cross section of the linux community, rest assured it doesn't. You are invited to join us and let the trolls stamp around in their own go-nowhere lives.
~^~~^~^^~~^
In sterile crops, there are seeds. They just don't germinate.
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Linus has repeatedly said one of his favorite parts of linux is that it is how he wants it to be. No commitee, no voting, etc...
I think that if there was a CVS, Linus would still run a kernel based on how he liked it and wanted it, and incorporate from the CVS if he wanted to.
Think of it from his position, he wrote it and people have been helping him this whole time. Even big corporations submit patches to him. Its the ultimate life, the valhala of programming.
Nevertheless, Linus is actualy a nice guy. Even though he never admits it, and goes out of his way to disprove it, he actualy likes helping people. He's happy to see his operating system be of such great service to so many people around the world. So we usualy wind up getting what we want. In fact, its his ability to please 95% of the Linux users that has kept us from any forks.
A few distributed managed based forks have started here and there, especialy for such special interests as PPC. It would be interesting if a CVS fork of linux would ever take off.
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I use one too, but I get fuzzy lines and waves going across the image. Maybe I put it too close to the network or video card.
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how do you get multiplay?
Meaning all multiplay are the same time.
Koules are not stupid!
Seriously though, a netplay koules would be right up there with snipe. How do you get it to put many players in the same rink?
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Everyonce in a while someone comes in with clarity.
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Haven't attended since the 60's. Who runs it now that CB and John are gone?
And it would solve a lot of problems if people really paid the price of their own actions. Instead we have a society bent on focusing the payment on to those least able to pay them.
Central American Fruit, South American Beef, Middle Eastern Oil, 3rd world labor exploitation aside the problem lies in mistaking freedom for free, and I don't mean as in software.
My uncle was a car salesman for a week. He went in to it thinking 'I'll just be honest, and actualy give them a good deal.' He left the job shaking his head because people didn't want an honest good deal they wanted an unbelievable deal. Free this, and free that, unbelievably high prices that are chopped in half but still retian a 100% profit margin (see: Robinsons-May Co.) Staple products that are very inexpensive no matter how much they really cost (see: Southern California Utilities, Bankrupting of.)
Taxation, in a truely ethical stance is merely the way to put the price back on to the people best able to pay them. I've thought that for a long time. As a side note, in a philanthropic sence taxation should be a contribution or vote in the belief of how well the government works for them.
99th percentile in everything... What a life
I was one of those you hated also. I went around thinking "The world doesn't understand the genius" until I came to the same epiphany as pizza man in Death by Pizza; Its not that the world doesn't understand the genius its that the genius doesn't understand the world.
My brother had his fingers slammed in his book for reading ahead. Another brother was sent home when a teacher got mad at him for not listening in class. When she quized him on the subject (even through in a few questions about what she wasn't talking about) and he answered them all she just got angry and sent him home for the day.
So I was going to be revenge on teachers. I learned to be a real middle finger up at society. Until I learned that being that way was really easy. A dummy could do it, in fact all my friends that were doing it really were dumb.
So I learned that school was a place where I could learn to be in control rather than curse those who were in control. A place where I could get what I wanted. From then on, I have cooperated with the world and found it a much better place (and me a lot less of a genius) than before. I'm much happier now. Much happier.
I like your post. I wish we could post it every ten years. Remember Junk Bonds? Those were the high risk gambling of the 80's, Aeronotics were the 60's, Stock Exchanges in General in the 1920's, Gold in the 1850's. (War was the way to make it big in the 1930's and for millenia before before for that matter.)
Every ten years produces young ambitious people that want to make millions by the time they are 30 and are willing to gamble the rest of their lives for it.
I know someone who commutes from Riverside to El Segunda every day. He leaves at 4:30 and gets home at 9. I think if he tried to brave traffic he would only cut two hours off all of that.
No, they are successful --as in full. But not successful as in replacing private transportation like is done in Tokyo, New York, etc... All your pointing to is that the trains aren't over or underdeveloped. That is more successful management rather then the kind of success I am refering to.
Land was the biggest commodity of the west, and one of the main attractors. A good book, "The Grass Grows Greener over the Septic Tank" by Erma Bombeck (I think) is built on this premise.
The commoditizing of land was held in check by transportation restraints until 1940. People didn't want to live 'far' from town. Far in minutes rather than miles.
With faster/cheaper cars and transport trucks a more dispersed city was possible. And it still is, even more now than then. However is still more efficient to build things smart, and poorer people can really benefit by that efficiency.
Anyway, it still is a wives tale. In my experience city planners then and today saw development as revenue more than how much gas they could sell them.
And even these are more efficient that current combustion engines. Why? Becuase they can be run at their spec performance, full throttle. And then turned off when they aren't in use.
An engine is least efficient at idle and part throttle, so if you eliminate those modes you get a much more efficient engine. You also get a more efficient engine by running it at 'spec'. Spec is the rpm where everything in the car is running at its most efficient level.
This same technique helped a rather ordinary Chevy Metro get over 115mph.
This is also why power plants are less poluting than automobiles, and I won't even get into scrubbers and other polution reducing systems that just aren't feasable on cars but very feasable on huge power plants.
And transporting electricity isn't as inefficient as you many would lead you to believe. It is very inefficient to power the trucks carrying gasoline, and store it in cities where land prices are very expensive anyway. As it turns out (funny enough) even in the So Cal gas crunch, cents per mile is 3/4 for a electric car for a simularly weighted gasoline car.
Old wives tale.
Remember the LA Subway? I remember a good piece on why it was doomed to fail but I can't find it. If you look it up you will find a chart of population density where public transportation becomes feasable.
Basicaly becuase public transportation is slowed down by the amount of stops it makes, it isn't feasable until there is a certain population density. That is why mass transit in Tokyo, Chicago and Tokyo is successful and why the LA subway will never be built.
In the mean time there is a trend toward "Smart Development" in So. Cal. It is essentialy a more urban development, forcing development to be more dense. It relieves pressure on freeways, land development, etc... You need the right infrastructure to make mass transit work, not the other way around.
Meanwhile people still see government as a self serving titan, rather than a screaming playground where someone forgot to bring the ball.
After repeatedly saying I'm not touching that issue becuase it is incidental, you try to resurrect it. (And shoot for some mediocre personal attacks, you kindergarten superstar!)
Sorry, but what is tuned for what is not an issue I care about. I can't even see why it matters to Microsoft (for the reason I mentioned). And I said I'm *not* accusing them of baiting --becuase I am not. The other responder has a good point, MS doens't have the intelligence quota to accomplish such a clever device.
I *am* accusing people like you (and you know who you are) of diverting the issue with trifle little issues. All I am interested in is one simple question, will MS continue to make a positive difference and even win over community support by being open or will they continue to try to control the media with heavy handed censorship?
If there are tuning issues, then publish benchmarks to show it. Maybe you could if you are sooo interested.
I've watched the Slashdot community turn from all Linux to almost pro-Microsoft. I think fuddled attepts at MS bashing have turned into a spin doctoring that is very MS-esque.
The Kerberos thing, they try to sue people who publish their Kerberos specs, so they link them on Slashdot. Then they try to sue Slashdot. Then, they simply open their specs and we all see there was nothing worry about. (One could suspect them as baiting the community but I won't.)
Earlier there was MindCraft benchmarks, where NT whooped Linux. Well, as many first started attacking MindCraft for being skewed, they opened their process and showed that infact it was skewed --but not at least in the ways that the community had accused them of! (One could suspect them of baiting the community but I won't.)
Now we have MS apperantly squelching benchmarks on their SQL servers. Slashdot gets up in a riot, while many people point out that SQL 7.0 was ment for NT 4, and the 2000's were meant for each other.
Again a nice simple answer that could leave the community red-faced. On close examination however, we consider then what MS is doing in the first place? If MSSQL+ windows 2000 was faster than SQL 7.0 + NT4.0 then there is no to do. Such a benchmark would encourage a double upgrade rather than one! More money right?
So I take issue with those trying to come to MS's aid on this one. Do they understand what the real issue is? Its not MS's evil ways or kangaroo trial by community. Its simply that they should continue to be open and let their users figure it out for themselves.
I've used Photoshop for Man and PC, and I've also taught classes on Photoshop where the students in the class were a Mac and PC mix (and at that the Macs were a year older than the PC's).
Photoshop is more intuitive to the Mac way of doing things. Window layouts, minimizing, hotkeys, etc were easier to teach to Mac people than Windows people. They are easier for me to use than on Windows.
For me I always go down the hall and use Macs when I use Photoshop becuase it is easier for me. And I am even more familiar with PC's than Macs.
Photoshop is also faster, more glitch free on Macintosh. It is a much smoother operation. It may sound aesthetical but the experience is actualy very notable.
I won't touch the rest of the flamefare, except to say that I like both. Everytime work on Linux for a long time and move to Windows there's things I realize I missed. Then when I go back to Linux I realized that I have missed a lot of functionality and fun there too.
Windows has more polish and integration. Linux has more power, robustness, intelligence and ingenuity. Things I do in Windows, I do a lot easier in Linux when I know how to do them. In fact I run Cygwin on Windows becuase its shell tools are much easier and more powerful than the windows find command, etc...
Your missing out then on the latest..
Imprisoned on the employment planet.
First Officer writes resume to infiltrate huge corporation that hired all the Voyager crew!
...I liked it.
Me too. I remember two weeks after the great Bruce Perens KDE flame war I came back to see the charred wreckage.
Btw, where were these errors?
Dangit, my argument has flaws. I lose. Its so much more compelling when you can call yourself intelligent and pronounce everyone that sees things like you see them as intelligent also.
Well, I'll have a good day even though I lost. You too, have fun.
Scientificaly, when we make a hypothesis but the results don't follow then we say the hypothesis is not true.
It is a trademard issue. A union between a man and a woman is marriage. A same-sex union is entirely different, it can't achieve the same things it doesn't taste the same it doesn't look the same. The only simularity is that it is a union.
Your also very split in your arguments. I sense much pent up anger that is leading to your forked argument. Why do you argue the Mormon Church as weak and giving in to public opinion at the same time you argue it is strong and trying to force its morality on them?
Indeed, it was much more than Mormons that got the overwhelmming majority victory for prop 22. They believed in the trademark and enforced it, all of them. So now, a same-sex union is called a domestic partnership (heck my non-gay old boss registered with his roomate as a domestic partnership to get a discout at Costco.) Its a much more descriptive and appropriate term.
Marraige means something more, and if you don't see that then it isn't my fault. And it doesn't even require the GALC to suffer. They do writh and twist as if they are being punished like spoiled children denied candy before dinner.
Its time to realise it was the right thing to do. It wasn't oppressive, it was simply fair for both parties.
Here is the Church and here is the steeple, Open it up and see all the people!
Wait! Call the FAA, the ban on smoking advertising is a breach of the First Amendment! At least under your very compelling arguments. You could help set back America 50 years! Why wait?