The prop 22 thing is best thought of as a trademark issue, and had the backing of many churches. In our neighborhood only one church didn't donate support in manpower and other resources, it was a new age church.
The trademark issue was the definition of Marraige. So far it has been accepted as between man and woman. They felt that if you think up something else it should be called something else. Just like if you mix sugar and water and cola-bean extract together you might get equal store shelf room but you can't call it Coca-Cola.
So everyone who had interest in the trademark supported it. Everyone who wanted to hijack it got mad. The interest in the trademark was moral, but the issue was just good old fashioned democracy.
So no constitutional crisis here, move along... move along...
And this constitution you speak of is being offended how by Utah's laws? If you want to raise a constitutional crisis, you better be prepared to back it up.
Interesting you found the mythology as Greek. As I don't know which particular parts you are refering to this is a good time to insert a Orson Scott Card is a mormon thread.
Only this time its Glen A. Larson. Although I can't say what his religious affiliations are for sure having been raised in Mormon culture I can say there are strong simularities. My older brothers even told us (and I've learned better than to trust what they told us back then) that he was.
From the episode where the bee people lure in humans with drinking and gambling and then become food for the queen, to the Patrick McNee as the Prince of Darkness (can anyone remember the direct quote of Orson Pratt (maybe John Taylor) in that episode?) Heck even the 13 lost tribes and the council of the twelve were familiar mythologies.
Ever find it odd that Boltar (a human) was in charge of the robots that hated humans? I wonder too, its very much like a plot twist found in the Book of Alma where one of the Nephites joins the Lamanites only to become their King and send them on an extermination of his former nation. This isn't particularly Mormon however, since I am reminded that George Lucas also used the same plot twist for Darth Vader. Who won the lawsuit on that copyright infringement anyway?
Anyway, my point isn't to claim Mormon credit for BG. Simply put my point is that it is interesting that one person saw such forced mythology as being Greek and another found it as his own (George Lucas.)
You wrote that so fast you probably didn't catch the obvious. Take for instance a piece of work my father did (he's the inventor of the Logic State Analyzer btw...) I remember long ago him working on a device in the garage, we called it the "garagect", a mix of the words garage and project. It was open to him and a friend to work on. He later patented it, further opening it to the world.
During the mid 80's he developed it and kind of dropped it. Later in the late 90's his son wrote up a buisness plan on it for his MBA, turns out the technology was still unimplemented and worth something. By the time it came time to make money on it market he had shown it to three different companies.
Interestingly enough the three companies he showed it to had almost overnight "innovated" this device for themselves. After showing two of them the error of their ways, they acknowledged his patent and payed royalties. One company still remains defiant however, and has a patent for simular technology (indeed the difference is in the words chosen to describe the process) that is even more shady.
Meanwhile you mention that STOS doesn't have any innovation. I say it has a lot of innovation, and true innovation potential. Even though someone may have done it elsewhere most open source is innovative for that particular coder. And many times, when something is worth money they want to get funding and make money off it. You think Ximian would be anything if they didn't have more of a plan than "We'll just see where this open source thing goes."
Meanwhile my father is still smart. He innovates on his spare time, and then sells the invention to his company. He's up to 9 patents I think.
So in short, just becuase someone gets (or got) funding it doesn't mean it didn't start as a spare time operation. Just becuase it is open sourced doesn't mean it isn't funded to make money.
I liked what you said, but I had to point that out.
Hmmm, as I enjoy The Prisoner so much I must point out one of the themes that I get from it --that 99% of what is ascribed as free thought in the 60's was just following people who were insane. Honestly. Even now I have friends (read I really do like these people) who have easily pushed buttons and like something everything that is a middle finger up at society. This isn't free thought. The 60's are still alive.
And on second note, its good to point out there is no real way to stop free thought. Concentration camp, propoganda, etc... survivors point to knowing that free thought was the only thing that couldn't be taken away.
This girl showed free thought by creating the experiment. She can also show free thought by not accepting the "this project is no good" label that might be insinuated by its removal. Her Dad (and Mother who wasn't mentioned in the article) has his work cut out for him, but also a real good opportunity to teach what free thought really is.
I certainly don't want to be anywhere near a meltdown. Do you?
I'm less than 20 miles away from San Onofre Nuclear Power Station. I've never lost a moment of fear to it.
Here is my prediction: the Republicans will blame
As you mentioned in your post, also don't like either of them. Republicans aren't lame, Democrats aren't lame --or they both are. They actualy work together more like one party (who proposed NAFTA, who signed it?). Before I hear a rant on differences between them, I'd like to hear your experiences inside party politics first. How many ideological camps and in-fighting did you see? Any system where two parties try to represent "the people of [country]", you will get simular parties.
As far as the Energy Crisis, it is fair to note that the last time I remember such a crisis in the 70's, (soaring Gas prices, soaring electic prices) a Democrat was the govenor of California, and a Democrat was the President of the USA. But that is mostly coincedence (or is it?).
I for one support economic deregulation (not environmental deregulation) becuase we should pay the price of electicity and energy (the same for fruit, beef (the real cause for the burning of rain forests), clothes and soon healthcare for that matter.) So many don't see the lives that are impoverished so we can pay less on electricity etc.
And I am sickened by a people that expect a government to use its armed forces to protect our right of convenience (give me convenience or give me death!) and then expect that same government to not tell them about it, and then get mad when that government keeps it a secret!
It is a wake up call, but will we wake up to reality or just another part of the matrix that we'd rather see.
I doubt either. He had lost the certified election (executive branch), didn't have the help of the legislature, so thats already down to 33%.
In that 33% he had generously 50% chance that a recount would take place at all (it is less if you strictly count judges, considering all the other ones that ruled against recounts (sauls, etc...))
Then of that remaining 17%, he had at best a 50/50 shot of winning the revote. Now he's down to less than 9%. That the improbable recount could happen within the deadline is less than 50%, but we'll stay with it for arguments sake. Now we have only 4% probability he could have won.
But people like you took it hook line and sinker, which is why it is my favorite spin-doctoring of the election!
Actualy, on the cygwin website there is a link to the binaries for X-4.0.something. Cygwin has a great web based installation these days (before noted on slashdot). I use Xemacs, compiled for cygwin, but such standard things as printing and font selection are missing.
I remember posting a picture on #debian of my friends desktop, running gimp, windowblinds, an xterm and other programs (including windows explorer which was the final dead give away) in a mac-looking environment.
The perl story is interesting, since we are an all Java shop, we actualy had to turn to perl for true crossplatform work. We also run out CVS server on NT (which CVSNT has a cool feature that handles authentication overr the NT domain!) that runs pretty well.
If I can't use Linux, this is all the next best thing.
what was probably meant as something funny has hit a trigger with me.
Netscape does crash on you, and it does it well. Better than any browser I have used. Long live open source.
A crashing well requires at least the program doesn't take anything else with it. Thats been the longest standing reason I switched to Linux back in 1994. NT does a reasonable (but not near as good) a job at this, but it didn't really arrive (in a marketing sence) until 4.0 some time later.
So you really might be making a joke, but *yes* it is features like that are quickly adopted into open source that make me a life long fan. If a project is in development it better at least crash well.
(I also hereby take a neutral stance in the mozilla advocacy. I still think mozilla is a good idea and will be great for all involved, but it does have to meet up to some pretty high standards. Those standards are more individual, and so I decide if mozilla is right for me, not idiots and zealots.)
Speaking of dubious titles, the last company I worked for (which I assume has gone under I can't see them on the internet at all any more) had a great title.
Records of near by towns show that farmers were paid for their labor on the Pyramids during the off seasons.
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back it up or back off. My source is NPR. When has Jessie said anything close...
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No I didn't mean to say he was claiming a conspiracy. I was just noting something ironic, and making fun of people who find to unrelated events and call it a conspiracy. Sorry if I offended.
Seriously, there are ways he can complain, authorities to listen to that.
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They could also throw out the whole state's electoral vote, and then since no one has a majority Congress would vote for the next president.
I can hear cries that it would be unfair, but its not unlike the system England and many other countries have that are respectable democracies.
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You know, your the first person to say that if statistical irregularities occur than some judge can adjust things to more believeable levels. What law is that?
only some booths don't have counting machines at the places.
Nevertheless, a validation machine woudln't be a bad idea. But then again, I suspect that is what we are there for. To make sure ourselves that everything is okay. I know I take a good two or three looks at my ballot just to make sure. I only trust myself as a validation machine. Why would you are anyone else trust anything else?
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No I wasn't asked for identification, now that you mention it.... Conspiracy!
But then my mother was working at the ballot booth, she identified me pretty accurately. heh...
(I haven't lived with my mother for almost 10 years, but I'm still registered at her house from when I did live there.)
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No one holds your hand when you vote. Your expected to have some semblence of competancy, and it removes one area of possible tampering.
Essentialy everyone has the right to get another ballot if they make a mistake, they are offered. But they have to catch the mistake, not the ballot volunteer workers. The ballot volunteers are not to, and shouldn't look at the paper punchout sheet when you give it to them. Nor would they be able to catch a double marking if they could.
They were offered replacement ballots. What they weren't offered was a phone call wendnsday morning saying "Hey we saw you voted twice, could we offer you a replacement ballot so that you can put down what you really meant."
Although that would be nice, that would require removing the constitutional right of anonymous voting.
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The prop 22 thing is best thought of as a trademark issue, and had the backing of many churches. In our neighborhood only one church didn't donate support in manpower and other resources, it was a new age church.
The trademark issue was the definition of Marraige. So far it has been accepted as between man and woman. They felt that if you think up something else it should be called something else. Just like if you mix sugar and water and cola-bean extract together you might get equal store shelf room but you can't call it Coca-Cola.
So everyone who had interest in the trademark supported it. Everyone who wanted to hijack it got mad. The interest in the trademark was moral, but the issue was just good old fashioned democracy.
So no constitutional crisis here, move along... move along...
I see your point! So since someone says they want to buy a newspaper (becuase it is the last bastion of anti-LDS free-media) they are...
Wait I did miss your point. Wasn't this about government and not newspapers?
And this constitution you speak of is being offended how by Utah's laws? If you want to raise a constitutional crisis, you better be prepared to back it up.
Interesting you found the mythology as Greek. As I don't know which particular parts you are refering to this is a good time to insert a Orson Scott Card is a mormon thread.
Only this time its Glen A. Larson. Although I can't say what his religious affiliations are for sure having been raised in Mormon culture I can say there are strong simularities. My older brothers even told us (and I've learned better than to trust what they told us back then) that he was.
From the episode where the bee people lure in humans with drinking and gambling and then become food for the queen, to the Patrick McNee as the Prince of Darkness (can anyone remember the direct quote of Orson Pratt (maybe John Taylor) in that episode?) Heck even the 13 lost tribes and the council of the twelve were familiar mythologies.
Ever find it odd that Boltar (a human) was in charge of the robots that hated humans? I wonder too, its very much like a plot twist found in the Book of Alma where one of the Nephites joins the Lamanites only to become their King and send them on an extermination of his former nation. This isn't particularly Mormon however, since I am reminded that George Lucas also used the same plot twist for Darth Vader. Who won the lawsuit on that copyright infringement anyway?
Anyway, my point isn't to claim Mormon credit for BG. Simply put my point is that it is interesting that one person saw such forced mythology as being Greek and another found it as his own (George Lucas.)
You wrote that so fast you probably didn't catch the obvious. Take for instance a piece of work my father did (he's the inventor of the Logic State Analyzer btw...) I remember long ago him working on a device in the garage, we called it the "garagect", a mix of the words garage and project. It was open to him and a friend to work on. He later patented it, further opening it to the world.
During the mid 80's he developed it and kind of dropped it. Later in the late 90's his son wrote up a buisness plan on it for his MBA, turns out the technology was still unimplemented and worth something. By the time it came time to make money on it market he had shown it to three different companies.
Interestingly enough the three companies he showed it to had almost overnight "innovated" this device for themselves. After showing two of them the error of their ways, they acknowledged his patent and payed royalties. One company still remains defiant however, and has a patent for simular technology (indeed the difference is in the words chosen to describe the process) that is even more shady.
Meanwhile you mention that STOS doesn't have any innovation. I say it has a lot of innovation, and true innovation potential. Even though someone may have done it elsewhere most open source is innovative for that particular coder. And many times, when something is worth money they want to get funding and make money off it. You think Ximian would be anything if they didn't have more of a plan than "We'll just see where this open source thing goes."
Meanwhile my father is still smart. He innovates on his spare time, and then sells the invention to his company. He's up to 9 patents I think.
So in short, just becuase someone gets (or got) funding it doesn't mean it didn't start as a spare time operation. Just becuase it is open sourced doesn't mean it isn't funded to make money.
I liked what you said, but I had to point that out.
Hmmm, as I enjoy The Prisoner so much I must point out one of the themes that I get from it --that 99% of what is ascribed as free thought in the 60's was just following people who were insane. Honestly. Even now I have friends (read I really do like these people) who have easily pushed buttons and like something everything that is a middle finger up at society. This isn't free thought. The 60's are still alive.
And on second note, its good to point out there is no real way to stop free thought. Concentration camp, propoganda, etc... survivors point to knowing that free thought was the only thing that couldn't be taken away.
This girl showed free thought by creating the experiment. She can also show free thought by not accepting the "this project is no good" label that might be insinuated by its removal. Her Dad (and Mother who wasn't mentioned in the article) has his work cut out for him, but also a real good opportunity to teach what free thought really is.
I certainly don't want to be anywhere near a meltdown. Do you?
I'm less than 20 miles away from San Onofre Nuclear Power Station. I've never lost a moment of fear to it.
Here is my prediction: the Republicans will blame
As you mentioned in your post, also don't like either of them. Republicans aren't lame, Democrats aren't lame --or they both are. They actualy work together more like one party (who proposed NAFTA, who signed it?). Before I hear a rant on differences between them, I'd like to hear your experiences inside party politics first. How many ideological camps and in-fighting did you see? Any system where two parties try to represent "the people of [country]", you will get simular parties.
As far as the Energy Crisis, it is fair to note that the last time I remember such a crisis in the 70's, (soaring Gas prices, soaring electic prices) a Democrat was the govenor of California, and a Democrat was the President of the USA. But that is mostly coincedence (or is it?).
I for one support economic deregulation (not environmental deregulation) becuase we should pay the price of electicity and energy (the same for fruit, beef (the real cause for the burning of rain forests), clothes and soon healthcare for that matter.) So many don't see the lives that are impoverished so we can pay less on electricity etc.
And I am sickened by a people that expect a government to use its armed forces to protect our right of convenience (give me convenience or give me death!) and then expect that same government to not tell them about it, and then get mad when that government keeps it a secret!
It is a wake up call, but will we wake up to reality or just another part of the matrix that we'd rather see.
oh I get it...
Bush 2000 got more votes then Clinton 1992. Does that help?
its one thing to point to facts that discredit a post and say that. Its outright bizarre to point to a site that proves the point, but still disagree.
Read the bottom line
I doubt either. He had lost the certified election (executive branch), didn't have the help of the legislature, so thats already down to 33%.
In that 33% he had generously 50% chance that a recount would take place at all (it is less if you strictly count judges, considering all the other ones that ruled against recounts (sauls, etc...))
Then of that remaining 17%, he had at best a 50/50 shot of winning the revote. Now he's down to less than 9%. That the improbable recount could happen within the deadline is less than 50%, but we'll stay with it for arguments sake. Now we have only 4% probability he could have won.
But people like you took it hook line and sinker, which is why it is my favorite spin-doctoring of the election!
Actualy, on the cygwin website there is a link to the binaries for X-4.0.something. Cygwin has a great web based installation these days (before noted on slashdot). I use Xemacs, compiled for cygwin, but such standard things as printing and font selection are missing.
I remember posting a picture on #debian of my friends desktop, running gimp, windowblinds, an xterm and other programs (including windows explorer which was the final dead give away) in a mac-looking environment.
The perl story is interesting, since we are an all Java shop, we actualy had to turn to perl for true crossplatform work. We also run out CVS server on NT (which CVSNT has a cool feature that handles authentication overr the NT domain!) that runs pretty well.
If I can't use Linux, this is all the next best thing.
my favorite spin-bite actualy comes from Gore who even to this day says "I believe I have a 50/50 chance of winning the election."
what was probably meant as something funny has hit a trigger with me.
Netscape does crash on you, and it does it well. Better than any browser I have used. Long live open source.
A crashing well requires at least the program doesn't take anything else with it. Thats been the longest standing reason I switched to Linux back in 1994. NT does a reasonable (but not near as good) a job at this, but it didn't really arrive (in a marketing sence) until 4.0 some time later.
So you really might be making a joke, but *yes* it is features like that are quickly adopted into open source that make me a life long fan. If a project is in development it better at least crash well.
(I also hereby take a neutral stance in the mozilla advocacy. I still think mozilla is a good idea and will be great for all involved, but it does have to meet up to some pretty high standards. Those standards are more individual, and so I decide if mozilla is right for me, not idiots and zealots.)
Its right next to the sky scraper made of popsicle sticks in Springfield.
Speaking of dubious titles, the last company I worked for (which I assume has gone under I can't see them on the internet at all any more) had a great title.
'VP of Strategic X'
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Records of near by towns show that farmers were paid for their labor on the Pyramids during the off seasons.
back it up or back off. My source is NPR. When has Jessie said anything close...
No I didn't mean to say he was claiming a conspiracy. I was just noting something ironic, and making fun of people who find to unrelated events and call it a conspiracy. Sorry if I offended.
Seriously, there are ways he can complain, authorities to listen to that.
They could also throw out the whole state's electoral vote, and then since no one has a majority Congress would vote for the next president.
I can hear cries that it would be unfair, but its not unlike the system England and many other countries have that are respectable democracies.
Pilot squak:
DME volume unbelievably loud
Technician Service note:
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You know, your the first person to say that if statistical irregularities occur than some judge can adjust things to more believeable levels. What law is that?
only some booths don't have counting machines at the places.
Nevertheless, a validation machine woudln't be a bad idea. But then again, I suspect that is what we are there for. To make sure ourselves that everything is okay. I know I take a good two or three looks at my ballot just to make sure. I only trust myself as a validation machine. Why would you are anyone else trust anything else?
No I wasn't asked for identification, now that you mention it.... Conspiracy!
But then my mother was working at the ballot booth, she identified me pretty accurately. heh...
(I haven't lived with my mother for almost 10 years, but I'm still registered at her house from when I did live there.)
that isn't legal and isn't likely either.
No one holds your hand when you vote. Your expected to have some semblence of competancy, and it removes one area of possible tampering.
Essentialy everyone has the right to get another ballot if they make a mistake, they are offered. But they have to catch the mistake, not the ballot volunteer workers. The ballot volunteers are not to, and shouldn't look at the paper punchout sheet when you give it to them. Nor would they be able to catch a double marking if they could.
They were offered replacement ballots. What they weren't offered was a phone call wendnsday morning saying "Hey we saw you voted twice, could we offer you a replacement ballot so that you can put down what you really meant."
Although that would be nice, that would require removing the constitutional right of anonymous voting.