The Native American genocide wasn't Americans, it began with the Europeans, and it was mostly accidental (foreign diseases). Militant Islamists have been killing people since Mohammed; Christians have typically stopped killing for religious reasons since the 1800s. Check an earlier post on a response in this thread that has a VERY good showing how Nazism had paganistic roots and was worship of the state/der fuhrer.
Wow, that's a major overstatement. Paul never denounces slavery, but he simply talks about it as a fact of life in that day and age - as slavery was up until the 1900s in some form or fashion. The New Testament doesn't "support" slavery as you assert, and if you're going to state that, you better give chapter and verse.
Slaveowners pointed to the Bible as justification, and THEY WERE WRONG in that interpretation - even the denomination founded as a support for slavery - the Southern Baptist Convention - has renounced that position and you would be hard-pressed to find even the most conservative theologian (educated and more knowledgeable than you on the Bible) who would state that the Bible supported such a position.
I cede your point, but mine is that of all the worst horrors through the centuries, Christianity, despite what many of its detractors seem to state, is NOT the worst culprit. Nazism, particularly the German brand, was worship of the state above all.
As an addendum to that, many blame Christianity for a lot when the worst massacres of the last hundred or so years were performed NOT by Christians, but by godless communistic totalitarianism (Stalin); pagan Nazism (Hitler and the holocaust) and militant Islamism (Darfur, pick a spot in Africa). All of which were opposed by Christians.
Also, practically EVERY in the pre-American Civil War period practiced slavery...and it was Christianity which fought against THAT and prevailed.
The effective word there is "breathing." There's TONS of asbestos out there that needs to be left well enough alone (unless it degrades). Removing it may put more of it in the air than leaving it alone ever would.
No, we need both. Engineers who don't understand business (and any other field, for that matter) can get caught up in small pictures and details that, while they MAY matter, may not be important to the Big Picture. Understanding that a Big Picture exists may mean YOUR project is unimportant, or even --worse--, unnecessary. Because the point of a business - at any level - is making money. It's not building and designing and thinking and believing or anything - it's making money and whenever you think that your own little world is the only thing that matters, you do one of two things - you get fired from a big business and you go bankrupt in a small one.
Unless, of course, you're a Christian or muslim or various other religion with a worldview that evil is objective, though our perception of it is subjective.
At which point, I could make the case that if evil is subjective, then there is no evil.
You hit on one of the biggest points I make when I talk with anyone in high school - the BEST class you can take is business math, and, unfortunately, it's relegated as the class for those not-so-good at math and remedials.
Yet another reason why if/when I have kids, they're either going to be homeschooled or attend a really good private school if it's close enough and I can afford it. Kids need to learn how to do business.
"The Christian prophet?" That's a new one. I'll reiterate - I WASN'T specifically referring to the miraculous, but also to other claims. The NT in particular has often been proven right by archaeology. The Exodus, from everything I've read, is still up for grabs and has good reason why it WOULDN'T be in the archaeological record (Pharoahs don't like to lose and typically didn't pronounce their losses). Yeah, I know there's a ton of both pro- and con scholarship out there.
Nope, NOT multitudinous. Comparatively speaking, there aren't THAT many versions of the Bible, and none (other than Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons) deviate that much from each other, particularly in how the original Greek and Hebrew are interpreted. The book of Mormon has had 4000+ changes, many of which have conflicts with original printing.
I wasn't specifically referring to the miraculous. I was referring to the historicity of events outlined in religious text, ie, archaeological support for New Testament claims of people, places, and events. Though you have a point about the miraculous, you DON'T have one about many points in history.
My specific point is toward what I know about - Biblical history and its proven supports. I don't believe that you've studied them - at all.
Frankly, with your vitriol, I'm glad I'm no atheist. You give them a bad name.
I'm guessing you haven't attended a history class. Ever. Otherwise you wouldn't have made that statement. Otherwise, go read a couple of books about historical religious claims by historians who aren't crazy - and sometimes even Atheist. You'd be surprised what they may support in the way of historical claims made by some religions.
There are sections of Muslims in the Middle East who hold it as true as well. I believe it's either Hamas or Hezbollah which directly references it in something they wrote.
1. Most/all are in big cities. No thanks. 1-2 hour commutes to travel 30 miles? Meh. Give me a less-comfortable area in some non-generic suburbs.
2. All-indoor jobs. I'd wager that the best "workspace" isn't indoors. There are days I envy park rangers. Yeah, you can make an office comfortable, but keep in mind that it's STILL an office.
I got a REALLY nasty look from another teacher when I was substitute teaching one day as I complained that people believed the world was round during Columbus's time in front of a class. As a sub, they DIDN'T like me questioning them on their authority.
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Well, had it been something even moderately insulting to Islam, there's no telling what would have happened.
The Native American genocide wasn't Americans, it began with the Europeans, and it was mostly accidental (foreign diseases). Militant Islamists have been killing people since Mohammed; Christians have typically stopped killing for religious reasons since the 1800s. Check an earlier post on a response in this thread that has a VERY good showing how Nazism had paganistic roots and was worship of the state/der fuhrer.
Wow, that's a major overstatement. Paul never denounces slavery, but he simply talks about it as a fact of life in that day and age - as slavery was up until the 1900s in some form or fashion. The New Testament doesn't "support" slavery as you assert, and if you're going to state that, you better give chapter and verse.
Slaveowners pointed to the Bible as justification, and THEY WERE WRONG in that interpretation - even the denomination founded as a support for slavery - the Southern Baptist Convention - has renounced that position and you would be hard-pressed to find even the most conservative theologian (educated and more knowledgeable than you on the Bible) who would state that the Bible supported such a position.
I cede your point, but mine is that of all the worst horrors through the centuries, Christianity, despite what many of its detractors seem to state, is NOT the worst culprit. Nazism, particularly the German brand, was worship of the state above all.
As an addendum to that, many blame Christianity for a lot when the worst massacres of the last hundred or so years were performed NOT by Christians, but by godless communistic totalitarianism (Stalin); pagan Nazism (Hitler and the holocaust) and militant Islamism (Darfur, pick a spot in Africa). All of which were opposed by Christians.
Also, practically EVERY in the pre-American Civil War period practiced slavery...and it was Christianity which fought against THAT and prevailed.
...you sue Jack Thompson!
DANGIT. Now you've completely wasted it for me. Now I'm just gonna stay home and cry.
Actually, we have a two-dollar theater that's not half bad. I'll wait it out.
The effective word there is "breathing." There's TONS of asbestos out there that needs to be left well enough alone (unless it degrades). Removing it may put more of it in the air than leaving it alone ever would.
How is that not a religious/supernatural underpinning?
That much we can agree on. Ethics, yes, but it doesn't mean that engineers should be ignorant of the business aspects.
No, we need both. Engineers who don't understand business (and any other field, for that matter) can get caught up in small pictures and details that, while they MAY matter, may not be important to the Big Picture. Understanding that a Big Picture exists may mean YOUR project is unimportant, or even --worse--, unnecessary. Because the point of a business - at any level - is making money. It's not building and designing and thinking and believing or anything - it's making money and whenever you think that your own little world is the only thing that matters, you do one of two things - you get fired from a big business and you go bankrupt in a small one.
Really? How can one establish an objective truth without an eternal, unchanging basis for that truth?
Unless, of course, you're a Christian or muslim or various other religion with a worldview that evil is objective, though our perception of it is subjective.
At which point, I could make the case that if evil is subjective, then there is no evil.
You hit on one of the biggest points I make when I talk with anyone in high school - the BEST class you can take is business math, and, unfortunately, it's relegated as the class for those not-so-good at math and remedials.
Yet another reason why if/when I have kids, they're either going to be homeschooled or attend a really good private school if it's close enough and I can afford it. Kids need to learn how to do business.
"The Christian prophet?" That's a new one. I'll reiterate - I WASN'T specifically referring to the miraculous, but also to other claims. The NT in particular has often been proven right by archaeology. The Exodus, from everything I've read, is still up for grabs and has good reason why it WOULDN'T be in the archaeological record (Pharoahs don't like to lose and typically didn't pronounce their losses). Yeah, I know there's a ton of both pro- and con scholarship out there.
At least I'm not the one being mean about it.
Nope, NOT multitudinous. Comparatively speaking, there aren't THAT many versions of the Bible, and none (other than Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons) deviate that much from each other, particularly in how the original Greek and Hebrew are interpreted. The book of Mormon has had 4000+ changes, many of which have conflicts with original printing.
I wasn't specifically referring to the miraculous. I was referring to the historicity of events outlined in religious text, ie, archaeological support for New Testament claims of people, places, and events. Though you have a point about the miraculous, you DON'T have one about many points in history.
My specific point is toward what I know about - Biblical history and its proven supports. I don't believe that you've studied them - at all.
Frankly, with your vitriol, I'm glad I'm no atheist. You give them a bad name.
Cool, we could include the multitudinous versions of the Book of Mormon.
I'm guessing you haven't attended a history class. Ever. Otherwise you wouldn't have made that statement. Otherwise, go read a couple of books about historical religious claims by historians who aren't crazy - and sometimes even Atheist. You'd be surprised what they may support in the way of historical claims made by some religions.
There are sections of Muslims in the Middle East who hold it as true as well. I believe it's either Hamas or Hezbollah which directly references it in something they wrote.
1. Most/all are in big cities. No thanks. 1-2 hour commutes to travel 30 miles? Meh. Give me a less-comfortable area in some non-generic suburbs.
2. All-indoor jobs. I'd wager that the best "workspace" isn't indoors. There are days I envy park rangers. Yeah, you can make an office comfortable, but keep in mind that it's STILL an office.
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Shrinking budget?? Man, in today's world, your representative SUCKS.
I got a REALLY nasty look from another teacher when I was substitute teaching one day as I complained that people believed the world was round during Columbus's time in front of a class. As a sub, they DIDN'T like me questioning them on their authority.
I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express. Less aggravation.