It's over... might as well get used to it, I'm starting to.
This is now mainstream, most of the eyes reading this are widozers now. This is a popular site in a real world way now, we (Linux users[and you too BSDers]) are a small part of this and have less and less in common with the main happening here.
Andover saw this happening and no matter how idealistic you may be...it is that true the most importent thing for them is the add at the top.
I know I should cut back on the bait, but a well stuffed hook is required when you fishin' for windoze wienies, they don't usually see a normal sized bait.
The Opera port has been in the works for quite a while, they just twistin' in the wind trying to figure out how to make $s here.
This forum has gone from a place for nerds to hang to... the post sellout thing, a place for wannabes to hang.
I must say I am starting to agree with you, I am starting to think Cmdr Taco has gone mad what with the buyout and all and his new handle is Roblimo (yup Rob in a Limo).
Guilty of living in the past... s'true I've used nothing but SCSI for years....
I had to get off my fat ass and go look
You have a point here. It is true the new ATA/66 controllers come close to a SCSI controller in CPU usage and efficient bus usage.
As the IDE interface grows up SCSI moves on though. At the moment 80 meg/sec is standard and U3W is now offering 160 meg/sec, quite a bit faster than a PCI bus. This of course will only be useful on that bus (drive to drive, drive to device). CC
Why would anyone care how long it takes to boot windoze... yer supposed to suffer.
export FLAME_ON=1
Where did all the winlusers come from anyway... there is no place to get away from em' anymore... well there is the scary place of devils, most of this lot would earn a killfile instantly there:o).
The reason SCSI is quite a bit more expensive that IDE is that the SCSI controller on the card is a smart hunk of silicon.
The IDE controller on the mobo (nearly always) is a brainless thing and uses CPU cycles to do it's IO.
The SCSI controller has it's brain on board and all the system has to do is hand off it's IO to the SCSI controller which will take care of it with very little CPU usage needed.
DMA enabled or disabled has nothing to do with this. The data gotta' be writ and red.
DMA is really just a way to get around the software memory manager which will always be slow.
Just ask yourself why *every* serious server runs SCSI if what you say is true. CC
I'm glad to see a new version of KDE come out. I don't use it and don't like it much but there are several people I know who use it and like it.
I really am baffled by all the fuss about Gnome and KDE and their 'integrated desktop enviroment'. As far as I can see a whole lot of effort is going into providing arriving Windows wienies with a "drag and drop' desktop. Is there more to it than that?
I use a 'homemade' version of WMaker, did you know there is a configureator deal in the later WMakers, I was just told about it and yes it is there... hmmm I don't like it, I'll stick to editing text files thanks. Anyway I hate icons too they screw up my cool desktop pictures and take up space.
The point I'm trying to make is that there is something for everyone here. I love the flame wars as much as anyone and am guilty of starting quite a few of em'.... but they got to be FUN or there is no point.
We are getting a _lot_ of newbies now and they are complaining about the dumbest things so we need a lot of patience now.
I'm not sure 'taking the desktop' is worth it to tell the truth... how does that go now... "To gain the world yet loose your soul"... somthing like that;).
To all the religious freaks, devil worshiping secularists and the namby pamby 'sit on the fence' agnostics.... this little gem from the much missed F.Z.
The normal method of dealing with this type of luser in a USENET enviroment is to have a "meaningful disscusion" with the ISP of the aforementioned troll.
A slashdot style "meaningful disscusion" would prolly be very effective.
We are talking 2 or 3 out of tens of thousands here, perhaps go read the obituary from yesterday:(. CC
Slashdot Mirror
For all you *nix wannabes who have trouble downloading Netscape 4.72.
Sheeesh ... browser poodles.
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Well i guess this explains a lot to me anyway. ... nerds don't play Everquest on windose computers.
Quite simply
That in this case would be successful capitalists. In the usual style this involves ripoffs.
http://www.observer.com/pages/envelope.htm
I tried to end my account by asking but it's not working.
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I thought ... yup I have this guy on the "Exclude from the Home Page" list. He's there with 'television'.
So WTF Rob, is the Exclude broke or what?
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Wacked out gun toting asshole ... leave us hippies out of it.
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Yup.
How you want to do this?
'Cause it's time to take sides.
I sure don't want that halfwit speaking for me!
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I will let this exchange make my point.
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It's there for you to click on Pooky. It ain't great but it amuses me.
You the *man* doin' "fulltime" x 2 OK.
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Come on now ... just give us his IP.
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It's over ... might as well get used to it, I'm starting to.
This is now mainstream, most of the eyes reading this are widozers now. This is a popular site in a real world way now, we (Linux users[and you too BSDers]) are a small part of this and have less and less in common with the main happening here.
Andover saw this happening and no matter how idealistic you may be ...it is that true the most importent thing for them is the add at the top.
CC
I know I should cut back on the bait, but a well stuffed hook is required when you fishin' for windoze wienies, they don't usually see a normal sized bait.
The Opera port has been in the works for quite a while, they just twistin' in the wind trying to figure out how to make $s here.
This forum has gone from a place for nerds to hang to ... the post sellout thing, a place for wannabes to hang.
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Am I the only one amazed to see a 100 thread discussion about a Windows program on slashdot?
If so I must be in the wrong place.
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Excellent ... a careful and reasoned argument.
I must say I am starting to agree with you, I am starting to think Cmdr Taco has gone mad what with the buyout and all and his new handle is Roblimo (yup Rob in a Limo).
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He's had his 15 minutes ... please
Brett Glass is an idiot.
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Guilty of living in the past ... s'true I've used nothing but SCSI for years ....
I had to get off my fat ass and go look
You have a point here. It is true the new ATA/66 controllers come close to a SCSI controller in CPU usage and efficient bus usage.
As the IDE interface grows up SCSI moves on though. At the moment 80 meg/sec is standard and U3W is now offering 160 meg/sec, quite a bit faster than a PCI bus. This of course will only be useful on that bus (drive to drive, drive to device).
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I'm tired .... wrong
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Boy .... set yer BIOS to boot SCSI.
Why would anyone care how long it takes to boot windoze ... yer supposed to suffer.
CC
The reason SCSI is quite a bit more expensive that IDE is that the SCSI controller on the card is a smart hunk of silicon.
The IDE controller on the mobo (nearly always) is a brainless thing and uses CPU cycles to do it's IO.
The SCSI controller has it's brain on board and all the system has to do is hand off it's IO to the SCSI controller which will take care of it with very little CPU usage needed.
DMA enabled or disabled has nothing to do with this. The data gotta' be writ and red.
DMA is really just a way to get around the software memory manager which will always be slow.
Just ask yourself why *every* serious server runs SCSI if what you say is true.
CC
The real reason to use SCSI is of course because an IDE controller will use about 30% of your CPU to do it's work.
A SCSI system will use on the order of 2% CPU to do the same thing.
For a server this is importent for sure, but also for yer high end gaming system too.
That's where 2% CPU will save yer ass!
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I'm glad to see a new version of KDE come out. I don't use it and don't like it much but there are several people I know who use it and like it.
I really am baffled by all the fuss about Gnome and KDE and their 'integrated desktop enviroment'. As far as I can see a whole lot of effort is going into providing arriving Windows wienies with a "drag and drop' desktop. Is there more to it than that?
I use a 'homemade' version of WMaker, did you know there is a configureator deal in the later WMakers, I was just told about it and yes it is there ... hmmm I don't like it, I'll stick to editing text files thanks. Anyway I hate icons too they screw up my cool desktop pictures and take up space.
The point I'm trying to make is that there is something for everyone here. I love the flame wars as much as anyone and am guilty of starting quite a few of em' .... but they got to be FUN or there is no point.
We are getting a _lot_ of newbies now and they are complaining about the dumbest things so we need a lot of patience now.
I'm not sure 'taking the desktop' is worth it to tell the truth ... how does that go now ... "To gain the world yet loose your soul" ... somthing like that ;).
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Thank you so much ... you have brought me completeness ... a form of l33tness yet.
You are too kind ... I think I hear your mother calling eh' ....
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To all the religious freaks, devil worshiping secularists and the namby pamby 'sit on the fence' agnostics .... this little gem from the much missed F.Z.
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Quake 2 is a pretty good example ;).
The normal method of dealing with this type of luser in a USENET enviroment is to have a "meaningful disscusion" with the ISP of the aforementioned troll.
A slashdot style "meaningful disscusion" would prolly be very effective.
We are talking 2 or 3 out of tens of thousands here, perhaps go read the obituary from yesterday :(.
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Give us their IP
Real simple, post the IP at some level of abuse and I'm sure we can take care em'.
Seems a little like a vigilante effort but if you knew that some one could show up at your ISP's door you might be a little less of an asshole.
I have read everything raw till now, yesterday was the first time I considered setting a block level.
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