You do come out ahead. Instead of losing the full ticket price you only lose the price of the insurance policy. There is nothing in the definition of gambling that requires a net gain from the point in time the bet is made.
Then buying a candy bar is gambling, since you spend your $1 and you may or may not like the candy bar. Buying candy bars should be prohibited as illegal gambling.
I disagree to a point. It's insurance with a gambling aspect. You pay $300 to go to an NBA game to see LeBron James play. You pay an extra $30 for this insurance. The $30 is a bet the player will not play which would refund your $300 ticket. By purchasing the insurance, you are betting for a chance to save $270 at that game.
Spurious logic. How is this different from any other kind of insurance?
I spend $500 per year on car insurance. By buying the insurance, I'm betting $500 that I will get into a car accident and I will avoid a big expense if I do. I am also betting that I will get pulled over and need to supply proof of insurance lest I get a big fine and other negative consequences.
An insurance premium is not a bet, in any normal gambling sense. It's silly to describe it as a bet - but if you do, then ALL insurance premiums are bets and there is nothing novel or unique about this particular premium that makes it any different.
The "free services" seem to generate a very healthy profit for the tech giants in California so it stands to reason that the data is worth far more than the services being provided.
Yes, in economics, this is called, "the profit motive" - and it is why people start businesses.
If the service provided were worth the same as benefit for providing it, there would be no point in creating a business as there would be no profit to be made.
This is not gambling, it's just insurance. As a buyer of this "product", there is no way for me to ever come out "ahead".
I buy a ticket for $100. Then I buy insurance for another $10. So I'm in for $110.
Now suppose "my player" is not going to be in the game, so Fansure goes ahead and gives me back the $100 for the ticket, but they keep the $10 premium. So now I've LOST $10.
For it to be "gambling", there has to be some path to come out AHEAD. They'd have to pay the $100 for the ticket, PLUS the $10 premium, PLUS some amount that puts me ahead.
Sure, it is a gamble for FANSURE, as all insurance is. Nothing novel there. But there's just no way this can be considered gambling on the part of the consumer.
They still count passengers when they close the door. If you got off, they know someone got off. And then they figure out who. It isnâ(TM)t rocket science.
In the case of social media, you opt in by using social media.
Personally, I have opted out of having accounts for Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Google, EBay, PayPal, various chat programs, Pinterest and whatever else.
Can I still be tracked and data mined? Sure. But at least I am opting out of a lot of the shit people are complaining about.
Do not watch TV. Do not buy a car. Do not buy a house. Hell, do not buy anything! Do not use a phone. Do not send mail. Do not receive mail. Do not hold a job. Do not make money.
Do not participate in society in any way.
Just go off in the woods and cringe in fear. Do not let anyone find you.
Or you could just fucking kill yourself. Not much more data to collect about you and it would not kick matter if they do.
No. My data are what they are and are a reflection of me.
If someone associates your data with me, that does not make it my data. That makes it your data being misapplied. That may hurt you. It may hurt me.
As for people being denied insurance due to issues with data quality...not much I can do about it. If it happens to me, well, I guess I will just show up at the ER and skip out on a big assed bill.
I am suggesting that you can either stop doing things that result in data about you that you do not like, or you can accept that such data will be created and available for others to use against you in some way.
Personally, I accept that the data will be used against me in some way.
Your Data are just a reflection of you. If you find that Your Data are problematic, it is on you.
If you do not want your data to reflect a habit of buying porn, eating Cheetos and spending too much on hookers and blow, then do not do those things. Alternatively, just accept that you will be judged for doing those things and that may not turn out well for you.
$16K/year in free money is not worth the cost of everyone else getting it, to me.
If youâ(TM)re not going to give me enough money to quit my job, then I am not going to support giving to anyone else, thus supporting their privilege of not NOT working through my requirement to work. I mean, FUCK THAT.
My wife and I have a household income of right about $200K, and we live in a 3-bedroom house within city limits, on a mortgage payment of $12K/year (I.e. not expensively). I am almost 50 and she is 43.
If the govt guaranteed us $100K/year free and clear of taxes for the rest of our lives, we would quit our jobs instantly and never look back.
We would gladly give up money for time to fuck off.
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You do come out ahead. Instead of losing the full ticket price you only lose the price of the insurance policy. There is nothing in the definition of gambling that requires a net gain from the point in time the bet is made.
Then buying a candy bar is gambling, since you spend your $1 and you may or may not like the candy bar. Buying candy bars should be prohibited as illegal gambling.
I disagree to a point. It's insurance with a gambling aspect. You pay $300 to go to an NBA game to see LeBron James play. You pay an extra $30 for this insurance. The $30 is a bet the player will not play which would refund your $300 ticket. By purchasing the insurance, you are betting for a chance to save $270 at that game.
Spurious logic. How is this different from any other kind of insurance?
I spend $500 per year on car insurance. By buying the insurance, I'm betting $500 that I will get into a car accident and I will avoid a big expense if I do. I am also betting that I will get pulled over and need to supply proof of insurance lest I get a big fine and other negative consequences.
An insurance premium is not a bet, in any normal gambling sense. It's silly to describe it as a bet - but if you do, then ALL insurance premiums are bets and there is nothing novel or unique about this particular premium that makes it any different.
The "free services" seem to generate a very healthy profit for the tech giants in California so it stands to reason that the data is worth far more than the services being provided.
Yes, in economics, this is called, "the profit motive" - and it is why people start businesses.
If the service provided were worth the same as benefit for providing it, there would be no point in creating a business as there would be no profit to be made.
If you want a "dividend", buy their stock low and sell it high.
This is not gambling, it's just insurance. As a buyer of this "product", there is no way for me to ever come out "ahead".
I buy a ticket for $100. Then I buy insurance for another $10. So I'm in for $110.
Now suppose "my player" is not going to be in the game, so Fansure goes ahead and gives me back the $100 for the ticket, but they keep the $10 premium. So now I've LOST $10.
For it to be "gambling", there has to be some path to come out AHEAD. They'd have to pay the $100 for the ticket, PLUS the $10 premium, PLUS some amount that puts me ahead.
Sure, it is a gamble for FANSURE, as all insurance is. Nothing novel there. But there's just no way this can be considered gambling on the part of the consumer.
They still count passengers when they close the door. If you got off, they know someone got off. And then they figure out who. It isnâ(TM)t rocket science.
No, I donâ(TM)t think that he is. I doubt he would buy anything with an Apple logo on it, no matter what it was.
All your internet are disconnected!
Iâ(TM)d probably be happy to just tell them what they want to know. They wouldnâ(TM)t have to do anything nefarious.
I wish all ads were personalized. It would be so much better than random crap that has no relevance to me!
In the case of social media, you opt in by using social media.
Personally, I have opted out of having accounts for Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Google, EBay, PayPal, various chat programs, Pinterest and whatever else.
Can I still be tracked and data mined? Sure. But at least I am opting out of a lot of the shit people are complaining about.
I did not say there are no possible controls.
I said *I* have no possible controls, other than not to engage in whatever activity results in the generation of the data.
I suppose I could exercise some less than legal possible controls too, so you do have me on that point.
Big Words, Anonymous Coward.
See there? People can manipulate their own data to achieve an outcome too.
Do not watch TV.
Do not buy a car.
Do not buy a house.
Hell, do not buy anything!
Do not use a phone.
Do not send mail.
Do not receive mail.
Do not hold a job.
Do not make money.
Do not participate in society in any way.
Just go off in the woods and cringe in fear. Do not let anyone find you.
Or you could just fucking kill yourself. Not much more data to collect about you and it would not kick matter if they do.
Amen!
Unfortunately for me, most targeted advertising is not better than random advertising.
That is fine, so long as they disclose what they are doing. I will use the most advantages browser. They all suck anyway.
No. My data are what they are and are a reflection of me.
If someone associates your data with me, that does not make it my data. That makes it your data being misapplied. That may hurt you. It may hurt me.
As for people being denied insurance due to issues with data quality...not much I can do about it. If it happens to me, well, I guess I will just show up at the ER and skip out on a big assed bill.
Sure. As much as accepting that whether it rains or not is beyond my control means I am promoting flooding.
Not at all.
I am suggesting that you can either stop doing things that result in data about you that you do not like, or you can accept that such data will be created and available for others to use against you in some way.
Personally, I accept that the data will be used against me in some way.
No. I do not generally talk to homeless people or cancer patients.
Your Data are just a reflection of you. If you find that Your Data are problematic, it is on you.
If you do not want your data to reflect a habit of buying porn, eating Cheetos and spending too much on hookers and blow, then do not do those things. Alternatively, just accept that you will be judged for doing those things and that may not turn out well for you.
$16K/year in free money is not worth the cost of everyone else getting it, to me.
If youâ(TM)re not going to give me enough money to quit my job, then I am not going to support giving to anyone else, thus supporting their privilege of not NOT working through my requirement to work. I mean, FUCK THAT.
And it is probably still as close to pussy as you have been.
My wife and I have a household income of right about $200K, and we live in a 3-bedroom house within city limits, on a mortgage payment of $12K/year (I.e. not expensively). I am almost 50 and she is 43.
If the govt guaranteed us $100K/year free and clear of taxes for the rest of our lives, we would quit our jobs instantly and never look back.
We would gladly give up money for time to fuck off.