"At least, the French are not afraid of being tortured by their enemies. I wonder what the CIA might be up to, with its black flights and secret prisons?"
And you don't have to be afraid of intelligent conversation and rational thought.
In all seriousness, WTF is wrong with you, how meaningless and empty is your life that you take a completely unrelated topic and wedge a CIA/torture/black flight rant into it?
Are you so consumed by your paranoia that you are totally incapable of discussing anything without force feeding us your views on a complete non sequitur?
"I think you missed the parent thread, where we were talking about a $100 Tivo."
No, I didn't miss the thread, but you WERE NOT talking about a $100 TiVo, you were throwing estimates around and 100 was the number you used. Please show me the quote where you clearly specify that the only TiVo you were discussing was the 100 dollar one.
"I couldn't find any for sale after a quick search"
No, what really happens is that you thought TiVo didn't have a free service, and when shown to be wrong, you rushed to find qualifiers to discount what you had overlooked.
You were wrong. Be a fucking man and admit it, instead of making up silly caveats to try and weasel out.
"We were talking about the FIVB rulebook, you said look it up in the rule book."
NO IDIOT, we were talking about the RULES. YOU ASSUMED that the discussion was exclusively FIVB, but that's your ignorance of the rules themselves. The FIVB CLEARLY cedes authority in non-international competitions.
"If you're going to change the subject, tell me. "
I didn't change the subject, you ASSUMED something that was wrong. BUT IN THE FIVB RULEBOOK, IT CLEARLY STATES WHAT KIND OF COMPETITION IT COVERS. YOUR fault. Had you actually bothered to look through it, you'd find the part where it talks about local sanctioning bodies.
"How am I supposed to know what country you live in?"
Ask. Don't make an idiotic ASSUMPTION about something you're clearly VERY ignorant on. Had you actually READ the FIVB rule book, you'd see it CLEARLY cedes authority to local sanctioning bodies for non-international competition.
YOU assumed that the FIVB was the appropriate sanctioning body. That was you being a fucking moron again, not me changing anything.
"Would you please quote where you did?"
No, you've been ignoring it for a half dozen posts, so no idiot I won't.
"I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the difference is"
One difference is INTERPRETATION. OOPS! I told you, so this "I'm starting to suspect you can't" you can shove up your ass. That's not the only difference, just one you can shut the fuck up with.
Totally ripped off from another poster. I patiently await your Mea Culpa (I suspect I'll be waiting indefinitely, your kind rarely admits they fucked up).
"1. unlimited storage (burn to DVD or copy across LAN to additional fixed drives) 2. customize the scheduler - [where] program.title like '%4400%' and program.originalairdate > '2007-05-01' 3. upgradeable - to go from the 80hr tier to the 160hr tier, (120GB HD about $80) 4. extensible - to go from dual channel to quad channel recording add hauppage 150, about $70 5. portable - backup MySQL data, lift tv card, place new box underneath, restore data 5a. skip data operations if mysql runs on some other machine 6. phone-line free operation 7. ad-free operation 8. schedule online from your own webserver 9. watch online from your own webserver"
Some of the things you listed, a TiVo is quite capable of. Why comment on something you're ignorant about?
"However, I only hit one button to turn my machine on just the same as you do and then just use the remote control from there. It really is idiot proof."
Bullshit. You may like your MYTH box (that is what you're talking about right?) but idiot proof? Liar.
I disagree. Lying about what the US does is an extremely ineffective way to draw attention to abuses. That's what hyperbole is, lies. When you lie, you lose credibility, so even when you're right, no on believes you.
So no, the behavior of the US is NOT a bigger problem that people like you lying about the behavior of the US (and you do, so please don't try to lie and claim otherwise).
YOU said FIVB rules. Go ahead and prove THAT wrong cunt.
The FIVB only sanctions international competition.
Now if you look again, or maybe get someone smarter to read it to you, you'll realize I never said it was in the FIVB rulebook once.
Had you not presumed to know WTF you're talking about (which you clearly don't) you'd realize that INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES sanction non-international tourneys. The FIVB has NOTHING to do with it. As such, the individual countries rules apply.
SO when I said "Men routinely play at women's height. Look up in the rulebook and find out why." your idiot ass assumed something you shouldn't have. Now that you have the information you need, look it up and come back when you see I'm right and you're wrong. And a prick.
"It is if you want to spike the ball."
And I'm telling you NO IT ISN'T. Your ignorance about the game is showing through. YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUMP TO SPIKE. Repeat that until you get it.
"I asked you a question"
Which was both stupid and irrelevant.
"If I'm wrong, please tell me what else there is"
I HAVE IMBECILE. You've just chosen to ignore it while repeating the same wrong nonsense over and over.
"So here it is: the part of the game changed when you change the rules governing equipment is the rules governing equipment."
That's A RULE idiot, not the GAME. The game is not the sum of all its rules, and your repeated assertion is moronic.
"I could sit here and berate you for not being able to follow such basic tautological logic"
Which you would also be WRONG about. Rules=game is only logical to YOU, as anyone who has ever played anything anywhere knows the GAME is more than just the sum of its rules as you assert.
Why are you so stupid that you think saying the same wrong garbage over and over will make it right?
And why are you so stupid as to assume intimate knowledge of a game you've clearly never played at any level basic recreation?
Respond with something that's not wrong please, instead of the same idiotic "rules=game" fallacy you insist of thumping for.
"I can't find that rule in the FIVB Official Rules. If it exists, please point me to it. You are the expert after all."
NO NO NO, YOU brought the rule book into play, so you should have had this information before you opened your mouth. You posted many times claiming that the rule changes, only to be confronted by your ignorance. You'll get nothing from me.
"But the minimum jump necessary to get the ball over the net is going to change"
NO jumping is necessary to get the ball over. NONE. It can be done VERY effectively without leaving your feet, thus mooting your entire point.
"Now tell me EXACTLY what part of the game changes if I wear socks that aren't ok, or a rubber band (not ok) around my wrist, or bands in my hair but not scrunchies? NOTHING. You are wrong."
I asked you a question, which you did not answer. So tell me EXACTLY what changes or admit you can't. Don't overstep yourself like you did by quoting a rulebook you were unfamiliar with.
"The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison."
I'm sorry, did you think posting a third opinion I don't care about would change this?
"Ah, You mistake my reply for caring about what you posted."
You do, you're just lying to try and hide it after I verbally slapped you down. Twice.
"The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison."
I'm sorry, did you think posting a second opinion I don't care about would change this?
"If *I* as a man were to play games at both 2.43 meters and 2.24 meters, that rule would have to be changed"
And I'm telling you NO it wouldn't. Men routinely play at women's height. Look up in the rulebook and find out why.
"A higher net would require you to jump higher. And you call me dumb?"
You are. You max jump EVERY TIME you jump. There is NO reason to jump less than maximum, so you max jump EVERY TIME. Raise the net? SO FUCKING WHAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO MAX JUMP, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME HEIGHT. You will jump the same height regardless of the height of the net. GOT IT?
"Are your socks specified by the rules? No, then go ahead it doesn't change the game"
Yes. attire is addressed. Now tell me EXACTLY what part of the game changes if I wear socks that aren't ok, or a rubber band (not ok) around my wrist, or bands in my hair but not scrunchies? NOTHING. You are wrong.
Every point you made is wrong, and makes it clear you don't play. Damn guy, had you ever played you'd realize how stupid the jumping point you fucked up was.
The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison.
"does not mean that we should sit down and shut up about the violations of civil liberties here."
No, and no one was presenting that particular argument, Mr. Strawman.
What it does mean though, is that the hyperbole and overstatement used to demonize the US is more of an idictment of the ignorance of those using said hyperbole and overstatement than it is the evils of the US.
"You seem much more interested in having an outlet for your anger than in the health of your country's government."
Where do you think my anger comes from?
"If someone mentions something, it is assumed that it can lead you to doing your own research. "
Fine, but you didn't MENTION something, you presented something as fact and posted a link. But the link was garbage, and there was no supporting evidence. You presented something as though it were something else, and you seem to think it's my fault somehow. And your reply proves quite definitively that you missed my point totally.
"If you did your own research, you would find that there is serious reason for concern, and the most common interpretation of the facts is that Cheney and Bush murder for profit"
This is a lie. There is nothing common at all about your personal interpretation that Bush and Cheney "murder for profit", this is simply YOU spinning something.
"It is assumed that you will try to find the truth in what is said, than try to find some interpretation that you find wrong."
You know what they say about assuming, it makes you look like a fucking idiot. Of course, I could say that it is assumed that if you post a link, it's not garbage.
You completely missed the point of my post. Here it is as plainly and unapologetically as I can make it.
I am EXTREMELY tired of people like YOU posting links to lies and dubious "facts", then watching people take these facts as truth, then being forced to listen to arguments based on these lies fostered by people like YOU. I am extremely tired of over the top hyperbole taken as gospel by people like YOU, and disseminated by people like YOU. I am extremely tired of conversations with people like YOU inevitably containing cries of "MURDER!!!", "BLOOD FOR OIL!!!" and similar propaganda designed to appeal to emotion. I am extremely tired of people like YOU who are willing to accept and repeat any allegation you find necessary to further your agenda, regardless of the veracity of said allegation. I'm tired of being forced to show civility to people like YOU who think I'm too fucking stupid to know bullshit when they present it.
YOU are worsening the problem by assuming that posting a link will get people researching. That is idiotic. People are lazy and will take what you say at face value, which you know. Since you clearly know your link was trash, the only assumption I can make is that you don't care, as telling the truth is less important to you than having your opinion heard, regardless of it's accuracy. You think I'm too fucking stupid to see what you're doing, and that makes me want to slap the fuck out of you.
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"What I will do is everything I can short of kill to stop the killing you're wallowing in"
I look forward to hearing about you standing in front of tanks in the middle east.
OH WAIT! When you said EVERYTHING you meant "nothing, apart from insulting people".
"At least, the French are not afraid of being tortured by their enemies. I wonder what the CIA might be up to, with its black flights and secret prisons?"
And you don't have to be afraid of intelligent conversation and rational thought.
In all seriousness, WTF is wrong with you, how meaningless and empty is your life that you take a completely unrelated topic and wedge a CIA/torture/black flight rant into it?
Are you so consumed by your paranoia that you are totally incapable of discussing anything without force feeding us your views on a complete non sequitur?
Get a life, you fucking loser.
"I think you missed the parent thread, where we were talking about a $100 Tivo."
- Progressive-Scan-Digital/dp/B0000AA9E8
No, I didn't miss the thread, but you WERE NOT talking about a $100 TiVo, you were throwing estimates around and 100 was the number you used. Please show me the quote where you clearly specify that the only TiVo you were discussing was the 100 dollar one.
"I couldn't find any for sale after a quick search"
Uh, WHAT?
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-SD-H400-Combination
There's one right there.
No, what really happens is that you thought TiVo didn't have a free service, and when shown to be wrong, you rushed to find qualifiers to discount what you had overlooked.
You were wrong. Be a fucking man and admit it, instead of making up silly caveats to try and weasel out.
"We were talking about the FIVB rulebook, you said look it up in the rule book."
NO IDIOT, we were talking about the RULES. YOU ASSUMED that the discussion was exclusively FIVB, but that's your ignorance of the rules themselves. The FIVB CLEARLY cedes authority in non-international competitions.
"If you're going to change the subject, tell me. "
I didn't change the subject, you ASSUMED something that was wrong. BUT IN THE FIVB RULEBOOK, IT CLEARLY STATES WHAT KIND OF COMPETITION IT COVERS. YOUR fault. Had you actually bothered to look through it, you'd find the part where it talks about local sanctioning bodies.
"How am I supposed to know what country you live in?"
Ask. Don't make an idiotic ASSUMPTION about something you're clearly VERY ignorant on. Had you actually READ the FIVB rule book, you'd see it CLEARLY cedes authority to local sanctioning bodies for non-international competition.
YOU assumed that the FIVB was the appropriate sanctioning body. That was you being a fucking moron again, not me changing anything.
"Would you please quote where you did?"
No, you've been ignoring it for a half dozen posts, so no idiot I won't.
"I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the difference is"
One difference is INTERPRETATION. OOPS! I told you, so this "I'm starting to suspect you can't" you can shove up your ass. That's not the only difference, just one you can shut the fuck up with.
http://www.google.com/search?q=TiVo+basic&ie=utf-8 &oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&clie nt=firefox-a
Free TiVo basic. FREE. NO COST. GRATIS.
I am REALLY REALLY tired of people posting what they think is fact but is actually only proof of ignorance.
http://www.google.com/search?q=TiVo+basic&ie=utf-8 &oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&clie nt=firefox-a
In the future, don't assume your snarkiness can be used as a replacement for factual accuracy.
http://www.google.com/products?q=Pioneer+DVR-810H
http://www.google.com/products?q=Pioneer+DVR-57H&
http://www.google.com/products?btnG=Search&hl=en&
Totally ripped off from another poster. I patiently await your Mea Culpa (I suspect I'll be waiting indefinitely, your kind rarely admits they fucked up).
"( Series 2 )"
You assumed I was talking about the series 2. You were wrong.
The rest of your post is mooted as a result.
Why do you think using an obsolete product as a comparison made sense?
"1. unlimited storage (burn to DVD or copy across LAN to additional fixed drives)
2. customize the scheduler - [where] program.title like '%4400%' and program.originalairdate > '2007-05-01'
3. upgradeable - to go from the 80hr tier to the 160hr tier, (120GB HD about $80)
4. extensible - to go from dual channel to quad channel recording add hauppage 150, about $70
5. portable - backup MySQL data, lift tv card, place new box underneath, restore data
5a. skip data operations if mysql runs on some other machine
6. phone-line free operation
7. ad-free operation
8. schedule online from your own webserver
9. watch online from your own webserver"
Some of the things you listed, a TiVo is quite capable of. Why comment on something you're ignorant about?
"However, I only hit one button to turn my machine on just the same as you do and then just use the remote control from there. It really is idiot proof."
Bullshit. You may like your MYTH box (that is what you're talking about right?) but idiot proof? Liar.
And as to your setup, it must suck not having HD.
I disagree. Lying about what the US does is an extremely ineffective way to draw attention to abuses. That's what hyperbole is, lies. When you lie, you lose credibility, so even when you're right, no on believes you.
So no, the behavior of the US is NOT a bigger problem that people like you lying about the behavior of the US (and you do, so please don't try to lie and claim otherwise).
"according to FIVB rules."
YOU said FIVB rules. Go ahead and prove THAT wrong cunt.
The FIVB only sanctions international competition.
Now if you look again, or maybe get someone smarter to read it to you, you'll realize I never said it was in the FIVB rulebook once.
Had you not presumed to know WTF you're talking about (which you clearly don't) you'd realize that INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES sanction non-international tourneys. The FIVB has NOTHING to do with it. As such, the individual countries rules apply.
SO when I said "Men routinely play at women's height. Look up in the rulebook and find out why." your idiot ass assumed something you shouldn't have. Now that you have the information you need, look it up and come back when you see I'm right and you're wrong. And a prick.
"It is if you want to spike the ball."
And I'm telling you NO IT ISN'T. Your ignorance about the game is showing through. YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUMP TO SPIKE. Repeat that until you get it.
"I asked you a question"
Which was both stupid and irrelevant.
"If I'm wrong, please tell me what else there is"
I HAVE IMBECILE. You've just chosen to ignore it while repeating the same wrong nonsense over and over.
"So here it is: the part of the game changed when you change the rules governing equipment is the rules governing equipment."
That's A RULE idiot, not the GAME. The game is not the sum of all its rules, and your repeated assertion is moronic.
"I could sit here and berate you for not being able to follow such basic tautological logic"
Which you would also be WRONG about. Rules=game is only logical to YOU, as anyone who has ever played anything anywhere knows the GAME is more than just the sum of its rules as you assert.
Why are you so stupid that you think saying the same wrong garbage over and over will make it right?
And why are you so stupid as to assume intimate knowledge of a game you've clearly never played at any level basic recreation?
Respond with something that's not wrong please, instead of the same idiotic "rules=game" fallacy you insist of thumping for.
Talk to the GP, he made the comparison.
"MYTH TV offers everything TIVO does"
With a TiVo, you can plug in three cables and press power, at which point you are done but for the watching. You're claiming MYTH can do this too?
So no, it does NOT offer everything TiVo does.
x10 and still a liar
"I can't find that rule in the FIVB Official Rules. If it exists, please point me to it. You are the expert after all."
NO NO NO, YOU brought the rule book into play, so you should have had this information before you opened your mouth. You posted many times claiming that the rule changes, only to be confronted by your ignorance. You'll get nothing from me.
"But the minimum jump necessary to get the ball over the net is going to change"
NO jumping is necessary to get the ball over. NONE. It can be done VERY effectively without leaving your feet, thus mooting your entire point.
"Now tell me EXACTLY what part of the game changes if I wear socks that aren't ok, or a rubber band (not ok) around my wrist, or bands in my hair but not scrunchies? NOTHING. You are wrong."
I asked you a question, which you did not answer. So tell me EXACTLY what changes or admit you can't. Don't overstep yourself like you did by quoting a rulebook you were unfamiliar with.
"The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison."
I'm sorry, did you think posting a third opinion I don't care about would change this?
"Ah, You mistake my reply for caring about what you posted."
You do, you're just lying to try and hide it after I verbally slapped you down. Twice.
"My friends laughed at me."
So did everyone else.
"The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison."
I'm sorry, did you think posting a second opinion I don't care about would change this?
"My comparisons are valid and arguable."
No.
"If *I* as a man were to play games at both 2.43 meters and 2.24 meters, that rule would have to be changed"
And I'm telling you NO it wouldn't. Men routinely play at women's height. Look up in the rulebook and find out why.
"A higher net would require you to jump higher. And you call me dumb?"
You are. You max jump EVERY TIME you jump. There is NO reason to jump less than maximum, so you max jump EVERY TIME. Raise the net? SO FUCKING WHAT, YOU STILL HAVE TO MAX JUMP, WHICH IS EXACTLY THE SAME HEIGHT. You will jump the same height regardless of the height of the net. GOT IT?
"Are your socks specified by the rules? No, then go ahead it doesn't change the game"
Yes. attire is addressed. Now tell me EXACTLY what part of the game changes if I wear socks that aren't ok, or a rubber band (not ok) around my wrist, or bands in my hair but not scrunchies? NOTHING. You are wrong.
Every point you made is wrong, and makes it clear you don't play. Damn guy, had you ever played you'd realize how stupid the jumping point you fucked up was.
The fact that you think the US military is comparable to any society as a whole makes it clear yours is not an opinion worth paying attention to, if for no other reason than your inability to recognize an invalid comparison.
"Actually, you are arrogant, ignorant, self-centric, and you talk through your behind."
h tml
No, actually he's right. It sucks for you, but it's true.
"There are lot more than just english-language web sites"
If by a "lot more" you mean "an insignificant amount as compared to" then yes.
http://www.dlib.org/dlib/april03/lavoie/04lavoie.
The info is a few years old, but seeing as the trend was toward MORE english sites not fewer, I'd say it's probably pretty close.
The rest of your post was just a juvenile rant about your insecurity, which we could really do without.
"does not mean that we should sit down and shut up about the violations of civil liberties here."
No, and no one was presenting that particular argument, Mr. Strawman.
What it does mean though, is that the hyperbole and overstatement used to demonize the US is more of an idictment of the ignorance of those using said hyperbole and overstatement than it is the evils of the US.
"You seem much more interested in having an outlet for your anger than in the health of your country's government."
Where do you think my anger comes from?
"If someone mentions something, it is assumed that it can lead you to doing your own research. "
Fine, but you didn't MENTION something, you presented something as fact and posted a link. But the link was garbage, and there was no supporting evidence. You presented something as though it were something else, and you seem to think it's my fault somehow. And your reply proves quite definitively that you missed my point totally.
"If you did your own research, you would find that there is serious reason for concern, and the most common interpretation of the facts is that Cheney and Bush murder for profit"
This is a lie. There is nothing common at all about your personal interpretation that Bush and Cheney "murder for profit", this is simply YOU spinning something.
"It is assumed that you will try to find the truth in what is said, than try to find some interpretation that you find wrong."
You know what they say about assuming, it makes you look like a fucking idiot. Of course, I could say that it is assumed that if you post a link, it's not garbage.
You completely missed the point of my post. Here it is as plainly and unapologetically as I can make it.
I am EXTREMELY tired of people like YOU posting links to lies and dubious "facts", then watching people take these facts as truth, then being forced to listen to arguments based on these lies fostered by people like YOU. I am extremely tired of over the top hyperbole taken as gospel by people like YOU, and disseminated by people like YOU. I am extremely tired of conversations with people like YOU inevitably containing cries of "MURDER!!!", "BLOOD FOR OIL!!!" and similar propaganda designed to appeal to emotion. I am extremely tired of people like YOU who are willing to accept and repeat any allegation you find necessary to further your agenda, regardless of the veracity of said allegation. I'm tired of being forced to show civility to people like YOU who think I'm too fucking stupid to know bullshit when they present it.
YOU are worsening the problem by assuming that posting a link will get people researching. That is idiotic. People are lazy and will take what you say at face value, which you know. Since you clearly know your link was trash, the only assumption I can make is that you don't care, as telling the truth is less important to you than having your opinion heard, regardless of it's accuracy. You think I'm too fucking stupid to see what you're doing, and that makes me want to slap the fuck out of you.
Got it?
x9 and counting.