"The University was actually established in 1801 when a committee of the board of trustees selected a land site. John Milledge, later a governor of the state, purchased and gave to the board of trustees the chosen tract of 633 acres on the banks of the Oconee River in northeast Georgia.
Josiah Meigs was named president of the University and work was begun on the first building, originally called Franklin College in honor of Benjamin Franklin and now known as Old College. The University graduated its first class in 1804."
UNC says:
"Opened to students on January 15, 1795, The University of North Carolina received its first student, Hinton James of New Hanover County, on February 12. By March there were two professors and forty-one students present.
The second state university did not begin classes until 1801 when a few students from nearby academies assembled under a large tree at Athens, Georgia, for instruction. By then four classes had already been graduated at Chapel Hill and there were to be three more before the first diplomas were issued in Georgia."
Georgia posturing since 1785; UNC producing since 1795
Unfortunately, Georgia didn't allocate funds for their university until North Carolina was already graduating students. By our figuring, UGa was vaporware while UNC was producing top quality grads (as we continue to do today).
In my defense let me say that I created that little DHTML Penguin trick back in 1995 as a class demo. I liked it and left it there. It used to work on all browsers (more amusing on lynx), but even tho Netscape invented 'layers' (as is pointed out in the other messages) they abandoned the 'layers' idea and the browser I'm running right now Mozilla 1.0 and Netscape 7.1 don't support them. Also, ironically, the one browser that does support 'layers' is Internet Exploiter. Fear Not! the Penguin has moved to the bottom of the page now.
Just not one that I got from/. but not out of line
10 years ago we set a goal of about 10,000 downloads a month with Sun. We beat that in 2 days. By two years later we completely saturated a t-1. Now we average between 150 and 200 Mbs all the time. (I may have answered this part above). Setting a price is more difficult. We pay students, but they also get trained etc and several of the students are paid by research grants and gifts. All most all of our hardware is donated -- so setting a cost on that is imprecise. Our space, our machine room (7/24 controlled environment, monitoring, backups, and the like), and much more is not priced but contributed by the Univesity). We do pay for our portion of the network use of the commercial internet but that is bought by a university consortium and not at a regular rate. so costing out the project is not an easy task. we also support many research projects that return moneys indirectly to the school etc. But let's just say it's not cheap and we greatly appreciate the support we get from UNC and from places like the Center for the Public Domain, and companies like IBM, Sun, Cisco, Red Hat, mandrake etc. But especially from smaller local companies like webslingerZ, islandsedge and others who sponsor students
Yes I think that WAIS and/or other distributed search solutions still have a place, but that because of the ways that WAIS 'entered the market,' it and others of its ilk were not considered seriouly enough. I consider this a sin of omission (and being a good Episcopalian that is just as bad as a sin of commission to me).
Roger McGuinn, founder of the Byrds, has been giving away music on the net at the rate of one song per month since November 1995 at his Folk Den. There you'll find a variety of styles and genres (folk, cowboy, celtic, blues, etc) as well as historic recordings like Roger playing John Henry" in a 1959 recording.
Janis Ian's "Society's Child" is Project Gutenberg's etext #3001 (the lyrics) and #3002 (sound files).
The lyrics are short (shorter than the Project Gutenberg header, unfortunately), and are in sochi10.txt or sochi10.zip
The sound is in 4 different formats, made from the same digital audio source tape:
sochi-high.mp3 MP3 file, no degradation
sochi-med.mp3 MP3 file, slightly reduced sound quality
sochi22.wav WAV file at 22kHz
sochi11.wav WAV file at 11kHz
** These are copyrighted files, including the sounds and the lyrics! ** Please read the header in sochi10.txt or sochi10.zip before ** redistributing them.
The lyrics are Copyright (c) 1966 Taosongs Two (BMI) Admin. by Bug The musical performance is Copyright (c) 2000 by Janis Ian
Thanks to Jason Moore and IBiblio (formerly Metalab) for creating the digital files. Thanks to Janis Ian for donating these files for distribution by Project Gutenberg.
The machine and software used to create the MP3 and WAV files was:
- Power Mac G4 running at 500Mhz
- Yamaha DSP Factory DS2416 sound
- Bias Peak and Media Cleaner Pro software
If you are interested in what folks making online-news site work have to say about NPR's deep linking, you can visit the ONLINE-NEWS list archives and have a look.
yes CPB stations cut a separate deal possibly creating a CPB monopoly. but some of the most interesting on-air community stations in say boulder, berkeley, and in chapel hill including classical stations and student stations are not CPB stations and never will be.
this ruling includes a retroactive charge going back to October 28, 1998 that is due in full by October 20, 2002. so if you were webcasting or simulcasting since 1998 (or before) you OWE for 4 years IMMEDIATELY! since the rates are relatively unchanged (completely unchanged for non-commercial), you are out of business because you racked up a debt unknowingly for those 4 years. if you are a non-commercial station, college or community, you may have to shutdown both castings and give up.
I am shocked yes shocked that the RIAA has discovered that monoploies not only exists but that a monopoly can damage a market and hurt consumers! hand them a mirror --- pleeeeze -- so they can see one up close.
The RIAA used artists as an excuse for the high fees and the 'performance rights' in an attempt to kill internet radio through the CARP rulings on webcasting rates. Now artists' rights are being used to justify direct payments and to by pass the RIAA. Very clever.
Don't forget when you listen to the radio there are cumplusary licenses in effect -- but the artists get NO $$$$
i can only begin to say what all the problems are with the CARP rulings, but one thing is for sure. the combination of complex record keeping, privacy invasive database building at SoundExchange, constrains on content and playlists, and costs will likely place WXYC the first station on the net, WCPE the only 7/24 non-commercial classical music station, and WXDU off the net.
The process was completely undemocratic -- none of these stations was allowed to testify at CARP. WCPE was specifically excluded
When we started the first continous simulcast on the net back in 1994 with WXYC we immediately ran into lawyers saying that we couldn't do it and that even if we could we wouldn't be at it for long. Now 8 years later, we're still on the air and are simulcasting two other stations and soon to add two more. All are public radio, student radio or non-profit cooperatives.
But the new rules would make it impossible for any of these stations to be on the net. WCPE is all classical and perhaps the only 24 hours non-commercial station in the world. The lose would be astounding. What are we left to hear? Tightly controlled formats with intrusive privacy invasive reporting.
Send in your comments NOW! I am at the highest level of alert!
Child! Child! They do not sue you right away -- and they can't. First they send you a cease-and-desist order and you evaluate their claim.
But Brewster answers your question in the interview himself on the second page:
Koman: What about the question of rights? I just wrote about Lawrence Lessig's book on intellectual property. Surely the publishers and the television networks and the record companies aren't willing to let you keep a copy of all of their stuff?
Kahle: All we collect for the Web archive are sites that are publicly accessible for free, and if there's any indication from the site owner that they don't want it in the archive, we take it out. If there's a robot exclusion, it's removed from the Wayback Machine. Over the years, people would notice these things in their logs and would say, what are you doing? And we'd explain what we're doing -- building this archive and donating a copy to the Library of Congress, etc., etc., and 90% of the time they say, "Oh, that's cool, you're crazy, but go ahead." About 10% of the time, they'd say, "I don't want any part of it," and we instruct them on how to use a robot exclusion and they're taken out of history. That seems to work for everybody at this point. People are really excited about this future that we're building together.
bipolar companies such as Sony who make great profits off of consumer electronics -- walkman say -- and from content -- their music holdings -- will be engaged in strong internal battles over intellectual property rights (hardies going for lesser protection so as to get more content and more demand for hardware at a lower price point; content protectors the opposite). since Sony and others make much more from hardware look for the challenge to IP to come from them as they turn on the RIAA and MPAA
bipolar companies such as Sony who make great profits off of consumer electronics -- walkman say -- and from content -- their music holdings -- will be engaged in strong internal battles over intellectual property rights (hardies going for lesser protection so as to get more content and more demand for hardware at a lower price point; content protectors the opposite). since Sony and others make much more from hardware look for the challenge to IP to come from them as they turn on the RIAA and MPAA
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From your links:
Georgia says:
"The University was actually established in 1801 when a committee of the board of trustees selected a land site. John Milledge, later a governor of the state, purchased and gave to the board of trustees the chosen tract of 633 acres on the banks of the Oconee River in northeast Georgia.
Josiah Meigs was named president of the University and work was begun on the first building, originally called Franklin College in honor of Benjamin Franklin and now known as Old College. The University graduated its first class in 1804."
UNC says:
"Opened to students on January 15, 1795, The University of North Carolina received its first student, Hinton James of New Hanover County, on February 12. By March there were two professors and forty-one students present.
The second state university did not begin classes until 1801 when a few students from nearby academies assembled under a large tree at Athens, Georgia, for instruction. By then four classes had already been graduated at Chapel Hill and there were to be three more before the first diplomas were issued in Georgia."
Georgia posturing since 1785; UNC producing since 1795
Unfortunately, Georgia didn't allocate funds for their university until North Carolina was already graduating students. By our figuring, UGa was vaporware while UNC was producing top quality grads (as we continue to do today).
In my defense let me say that I created that little DHTML Penguin trick back in 1995 as a class demo. I liked it and left it there. It used to work on all browsers (more amusing on lynx), but even tho Netscape invented 'layers' (as is pointed out in the other messages) they abandoned the 'layers' idea and the browser I'm running right now Mozilla 1.0 and Netscape 7.1 don't support them. Also, ironically, the one browser that does support 'layers' is Internet Exploiter.
Fear Not! the Penguin has moved to the bottom of the page now.
'layers' don't work on the latest Netscape 7.1) either. i'm so embrassed, but it from 1995 ;-> time to update, i guess.
Just not one that I got from /. but not out of line
10 years ago we set a goal of about 10,000 downloads a month with Sun. We beat that in 2 days.
By two years later we completely saturated a t-1.
Now we average between 150 and 200 Mbs all the time.
(I may have answered this part above).
Setting a price is more difficult. We pay students, but they also get trained etc and several of the students are paid by research grants and gifts. All most all of our hardware is donated -- so setting a cost on that is imprecise. Our space, our machine room (7/24 controlled environment, monitoring, backups, and the like), and much more is not priced but contributed by the Univesity). We do pay for our portion of the network use of the commercial internet but that is bought by a university consortium and not at a regular rate.
so costing out the project is not an easy task. we also support many research projects that return moneys indirectly to the school etc.
But let's just say it's not cheap and we greatly appreciate the support we get from UNC and from places like the Center for the Public Domain, and companies like IBM, Sun, Cisco, Red Hat, mandrake etc.
But especially from smaller local companies like webslingerZ, islandsedge and others who sponsor students
Yes I think that WAIS and/or other distributed search solutions still have a place, but that because of the ways that WAIS 'entered the market,' it and others of its ilk were not considered seriouly enough. I consider this a sin of omission (and being a good Episcopalian that is just as bad as a sin of commission to me).
mozilla doesn't support dhtml?
which question was it and i promise to try ans answer.
i'd write you directly but you posted as AC
take your mouse and drag the penguin whereever you'd like it to be...
Roger also testified before Congress in 2000 about the devious ways of the music industry and in support of MP3s and net.music.
This has been rewarded too. Roger's CD, Treasures from the Folk Den, was a Grammy Nominee for "Best Traditional Folk Album" this year.
http://www.ibiblio.org/gutenberg/etext02/sochi-REA DME.txt
Janis Ian's "Society's Child" is Project Gutenberg's etext
#3001 (the lyrics) and #3002 (sound files).
The lyrics are short (shorter than the Project Gutenberg header,
unfortunately), and are in sochi10.txt or sochi10.zip
The sound is in 4 different formats, made from the same digital
audio source tape:
sochi-high.mp3 MP3 file, no degradation
sochi-med.mp3 MP3 file, slightly reduced sound quality
sochi22.wav WAV file at 22kHz
sochi11.wav WAV file at 11kHz
** These are copyrighted files, including the sounds and the lyrics!
** Please read the header in sochi10.txt or sochi10.zip before
** redistributing them.
The lyrics are Copyright (c) 1966 Taosongs Two (BMI) Admin. by Bug
The musical performance is Copyright (c) 2000 by Janis Ian
Thanks to Jason Moore and IBiblio (formerly Metalab) for creating
the digital files. Thanks to Janis Ian for donating these files for
distribution by Project Gutenberg.
The machine and software used to create the MP3 and WAV files was:
- Power Mac G4 running at 500Mhz
- Yamaha DSP Factory DS2416 sound
- Bias Peak and Media Cleaner Pro software
Hope that link isn't too deep
yes CPB stations cut a separate deal possibly creating a CPB monopoly. but some of the most interesting on-air community stations in say boulder, berkeley, and in chapel hill including classical stations and student stations are not CPB stations and never will be.
this ruling includes a retroactive charge going back to October 28, 1998 that is due in full by October 20, 2002. so if you were webcasting or simulcasting since 1998 (or before) you OWE for 4 years IMMEDIATELY!
since the rates are relatively unchanged (completely unchanged for non-commercial), you are out of business because you racked up a debt unknowingly for those 4 years.
if you are a non-commercial station, college or community, you may have to shutdown both castings and give up.
I am shocked yes shocked that the RIAA has discovered that monoploies not only exists but that a monopoly can damage a market and hurt consumers! hand them a mirror --- pleeeeze -- so they can see one up close.
Now artists' rights are being used to justify direct payments and to by pass the RIAA. Very clever.
Don't forget when you listen to the radio there are cumplusary licenses in effect -- but the artists get NO $$$$
The process was completely undemocratic -- none of these stations was allowed to testify at CARP. WCPE was specifically excluded
see also WXYC's save our streams page and Save Our Streams
When we started the first continous simulcast on the net back in 1994 with WXYC we immediately ran into lawyers saying that we couldn't do it and that even if we could we wouldn't be at it for long. Now 8 years later, we're still on the air and are simulcasting two other stations and soon to add two more. All are public radio, student radio or non-profit cooperatives.
But the new rules would make it impossible for any of these stations to be on the net. WCPE is all classical and perhaps the only 24 hours non-commercial station in the world. The lose would be astounding. What are we left to hear? Tightly controlled formats with intrusive privacy invasive reporting.
Send in your comments NOW! I am at the highest level of alert!
But Brewster answers your question in the interview himself on the second page:
Koman: What about the question of rights? I just wrote about Lawrence Lessig's book on intellectual property. Surely the publishers and the television networks and the record companies aren't willing to let you keep a copy of all of their stuff?
Kahle: All we collect for the Web archive are sites that are publicly accessible for free, and if there's any indication from the site owner that they don't want it in the archive, we take it out. If there's a robot exclusion, it's removed from the Wayback Machine. Over the years, people would notice these things in their logs and would say, what are you doing? And we'd explain what we're doing -- building this archive and donating a copy to the Library of Congress, etc., etc., and 90% of the time they say, "Oh, that's cool, you're crazy, but go ahead." About 10% of the time, they'd say, "I don't want any part of it," and we instruct them on how to use a robot exclusion and they're taken out of history. That seems to work for everybody at this point. People are really excited about this future that we're building together.
We've hosted Roger McGuinn's Folk Den project for about 5 years. Now Roger has made a CD, Treasures from the Folk Den, which has just been nominated for a Grammy! Not bad for a rock star who told the labels to go jump in his Senate testimony.
We also host collections of tape traders, jamz and tunetree, of bands that want their fans to hear their music (and pay to come to their shows).
Eben Moglen is right (see NYTimes article on FoM); it's about love.
bipolar companies such as Sony who make great profits off of consumer electronics -- walkman say -- and from content -- their music holdings -- will be engaged in strong internal battles over intellectual property rights (hardies going for lesser protection so as to get more content and more demand for hardware at a lower price point; content protectors the opposite). since Sony and others make much more from hardware look for the challenge to IP to come from them as they turn on the RIAA and MPAA
Guilty as charged. i shoulda used orwell's "doublethink" perhaps.
bipolar companies such as Sony who make great profits off of consumer electronics -- walkman say -- and from content -- their music holdings -- will be engaged in strong internal battles over intellectual property rights (hardies going for lesser protection so as to get more content and more demand for hardware at a lower price point; content protectors the opposite). since Sony and others make much more from hardware look for the challenge to IP to come from them as they turn on the RIAA and MPAA
VA the state or with Virgin Airlines