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Carp-Free Independent Music Labels
robkill writes "The actions and intentions of the RIAA have been under close scrutiny in the folk music community as well as Slashdot. In addition to Janis Ian's article previously featured here on Slashdot, guitarist Harvey Reid has an article on the importance of internet radio for the independent music community. Besides posting a number of good links, he has started a signup webpage for independent artists and music labels who are interested in circumventing the CARP fee. Right now, it's only a mailing list for Artists and Record Labels who want to see internet radio succeed. So if you own the copyrights on some independent music, why not join the list? For the rest of us, it's a good list of musicians to support."
Quite Frankly, the RIAA's business practices make me sick. It seems that they try to make money off of everything that we listen to, while squelching the alternatives that we might listen to through another medium. They seem to want to copy-protect everything, throw fair use out the window, and then charge everyone royalties for what amounts to them as free promotion. I hope more artists sign up for this.
Anybody else read the headline this way?
Wishful thinking, I guess!
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won't fall by the wayside. It will take artists and musicians to make internet radio, and downloadable music something that we can all enjoy for a long time to come. We can huff and puff all we want, but they are ones who have to lead the charge for anything to change for the better.
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
The worst part, I think is the retroactive part. Isn't that an ex post facto law?
Well, if internet radio takes off then the RIAA will have to pay them to play their music anyway.
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How com VA seems to be the only advertiser on Slashdot? Doesn't seem to say a lot about how well the ads on slashdot are going. OK, I'm exagerating, I see a think geek ad every once in awhile too.
CD's from this band of independents ?
I basically stopped buying music in the late 70's
after Dire Strait's "Sultans of Swing" because
it became so boring.
Hmmm, real musicians performing real music -
reminds me of the school reunions we organized
in the late 70's, early eighties, with bands
trying to imitate "Stairway to heaven" with two
real wooden flutes !
Go, music, go !
Toon Moene.
inetprogramming.com is a website for independent music artists... there is a very long and detailed page about the rate ruling, and links for you to send a fax to congress about making legislation to save the smaller stations as well...
I tried putting this in an article, but got rejected, so I hope a lot of people read this and send in a fax... I don't want to loose my favorite internet radio station...
http://inetprogramming.com/notice.html
What the subject says. I mostly like rock and metal. I presently find new bands by watching a public access show that plays metal videos. Interestingly enough, the host is even bigger and sexier than me.
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I am currently using: live365.
There tons of differents genres to listen too.
"The large print giveth, and the small print taketh away" -Tom Waits
I think that Crap-Free Independent Music Labels would be a good idea.
Napster-to-go says "Fill and refill your compatible MP3 player", which is a lie. It's not MP3. It's WMA with DRM.
Just added Dreamscapes Of The Perverse... I'm setting up an account here, be prepared to see another band (soon to be reallly famous :) ) make statements against the RIAA.
Ron
From Zeropaid.com webside:
Got a Question for Hilary?
A representative of the RIAA has agreed to take some time out of their hectic court schedule and answer a few of our questions. Don't miss out on a chance to voice your opinion!
here
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I got my hopes up! I thought the article was titled "Crap-Free Independent Music Labels. =)
"Yeah, well, Dracula called and he's coming over tonight for you and I said okay."
There's also the RIAA Membership List, which can serve as a good starting-point for labels to avoid.
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HTML/CSS coder for hire
The list in question was pretty much a Folk monoculture until the link was posted on /. Lots of different styles there at the bottom of the list.
I broadcast on live365 (a damn good service I must say) but even those poor buggers have gotten the shaft by CARP. Their solution has been to levy a $5 monthly fee across the entire live365 lineup. I must say I can't blame them, they're trying to spread the hurt around as evenly as possible, but it does mean that you can't run a CARP free feed thru them without handing money over to the RIAA.
I fear that this is what the RIAA wanted. Personally, I think CARP blows, but if the RIAA want to shoot themselves in the foot by all means they should be able to. But it looks like they'll be able to essentially shoot down any big time non-CARP radio feeds by simply being the 800lb gorilla in the music biz.
Who (in terms of a large, easy to use broadcaster like live365) are going to run the risk of not paying CARP fees for everything and run the risk of the RIAA coming down on them like a tonne of brinks is a CARP free stream broadcasts a CARP covered song by accident?
Hang out at live shows if you want to support your local unsigned bands. A lot of them are really quite good. Then, when you're buying their CD if you liked the music (this is about supporting the musician, remember) suggest CARP-free web radio. Leave them a card with a link to information, maybe your e-mail address (a lot of them will have mailing lists, questions, etc). I've mentioned mp3 archive sites and streaming audio to several guys here; none of them have done it yet but all of them were at least thinking about it. The local small time musicians know the problems in the industry a lot better than the geeks do, but geeks can at least make suggestions :)
There are public radiostations in Germany and Austria which are funded by mandatory fees from the citizens of these countries which also broadcast over the net.
I think I'll support musicians who make music that I like, even if their politics aren't always in lockstep with Slashdot. Is that okay?
For those who haven't heard it, check out my recording "An Association Named Sue," based on this post by Yo Grark. It's all free, so it's not like I'm being a marketing jackass here.
I've also added a gif of an old pirate flag modified to reflect today's concerns. I think it'd make a great t-shirt, but I'm too busy with other stuff. Feel free to do whatever you want with it.
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Having said that, I am very troubled by the following possible scenario:
What's to stop the RIAA Cartel, Clear-Channel and its ilk from sitting by quietly and letting others experiment, invent and grow a system and then, if it starts to take off, using their billions to buy/muscle their way in and take over? That is, use a very effective part of the Microsoft R&D model - let some one else spend the money to invent and innovate and then buy them/take them over or stomp them out of existence. Then we end up with the same mess or a worse mess than radio is in today on another medium. And, since (I believe that) Internet broadcasting is essentially an unregulated medium, it is probably ripe for widespread payola and other abuses.
Many of you may have heard about the problems that the (Asian) northern snakehead fish are causing in Maryland. What you may not know is that carp are also non-native to North America, but were introduced from the Old World in the 19th century. Therefore, I am glad that there is going to be carp free music labels. There are many native fish species that deserve to be supported instead.
Why does Slashdot have a radio section? The most recent story in it was June 29th... 2001! Over a year with no activity. Time to close up shop perhaps?
Hell, I don't want my favorite artists distracting themselves with this business bullshit, unless being a fighter is part of what they already are, like Ani diFranco or Courtney Love. Life is too short, time too scarce for the few genuinely talented artists we have to go running off on tangents.
This is a battle that we, the consumers, should be fighting. If we decide, en masse, not to play the RIAA's game, what the Hell can they do.
Can I suggest that PeerCast (as discussed on /. earlier) is a very good place to start.
And, remember, if we really want to stop these bastards shagging us, we must always remember that our participation in P2P has to be about growing a new, fairer system, not just getting our hands on free stuff.
Maybe they made a type-o.
The journey is better then the end.
Speaking of editor moderation, I just got slapped 10 points in the forbidden thread and a related one. Working my way to "Terrible" pretty quickly :)
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
Sure I run one through Live365 that features indies from Chicago. I am looking for more artists and more listeners.
See www.goonsquadradio.com
well on live 365 only the cheaper acounts pay the 5 bucks. The others for larger broadcasters actuallyhave to pay the real CARP fee. Of course the 75 $ a month broadcasters can also sell thier own ad space and not play live 365 ads. Live365.com only pays CARP royalties on songs by artists signed up with carp. If you have a NON CARP radio station, then that station does not create any CARP royalties. They will still have to pay the 5 bucks though. The 5 bucks does not cover the CARP royalties on many stations, just offset the cost. PLEASE if you have a nn CARP station, advertise it as such...hell SPAM it..this is one type of spam i would be GLAD to get in my MB.
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I was hoping that internet radio would give me a way out of this Clearchannel owned Hell, but CARP pretty much shot down any hope of that. There are a lot of good indie artists though, so maybe this means there will still be some hope...
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
There is a good point in the article... THE ORIGINAL IS ALWAYS BETTER THAN THE COPY.. the problem is when there is people who doesn't really care about cool artwork, cool boxes or anything... they just want to hear the song, this people will always be copying without buying anything.. So IMHO the real problem is that there is a market segment (people that want music with crappy presentation at a low price) that is copying because the industry doesn't satisfy their quality-price needs... Well my final comment is that there always be a cheap bastard that will copy everything just because he can... but they will burn in hell anyway...
I mean, you can read endless boycott the MPAA rants here on a regular basis, yet when Star Wars, Spidey, LOTR, etc come out you can also read these same people's takes on the plot twists, and how good they are.
I'm sure there are a few hardcore people who stand behind the principle of thoose boycotts they propose... but even here where most people are far more involved with their views about the **AA than is mainstream, i doubt a huge difference is actually made.
Personally i just do as you do, i saw SW-EP2 in the theatre, i have a pre-ordered copy of LOTR DVD at Amazon which will ship in August, same with the new Dave Matthews CD pre-order.
I despise the crazy bills that the **AA trys to get passed to inhibit our abilities to use a computer as we see fit, yet I still purchase the rare bits of appealing (too me, at least if you just wanna reply to criticize my tastes thats fine, but frankly i may think the same about your taste if so) stuff they put out.
And I know i'm not alone, when there is something out there I want... I get it. I'm no Gandhi, I will not starve myself (so to speak) to make a point, guess i'm just weak, but so be it.
While there is quite a bit of commercial music I enjoy, I can honestly say that my greatest musical experiences have been sitting down with a couple of friends and just jamming.
I honestly could care less what the music industry does, I'm always going to be able to sit around with friends and play.
Humanity has been doing it for centuries - if you've never done it, try it out you may be pleasantly surprised.
There has been much discussion on the various webcaster lists about going "DMCA-free" - technically, to forgo the DMCA statuatory license. It's coming, thanks to the idiocy of the situation.
The SaveInternetRadio group and the International Webcasters Association have a lot more information about the situation. Good stations such as SOMA-FM have been forced from the air, and more are likely to fold.
However, there is a lot of good music out there that can be freely streamed. Some Internet stations, such as OntheI.com channel 2, have always played freely availabled music, as has MP3.com. It is important to remember that these stations are free of the CARP and DMCA restrictions and payments, much like open-source software is free of licensing restrictions.
I look for a new ecosystem to arise, akin to the open source movement, with music licensed freely to all, with returns coming from the sale of artifacts (DVD's, t-shirts, etc.), and concert tickets.
(p.s. CARP is still crap. I sent this fax just now, you can too.)
sulli
RTFJ.
Roger also testified before Congress in 2000 about the devious ways of the music industry and in support of MP3s and net.music.
This has been rewarded too. Roger's CD, Treasures from the Folk Den, was a Grammy Nominee for "Best Traditional Folk Album" this year.
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You call this journalism?
Good god, man. Can't you even write a decent MLP?
This tripe wouldn't last five minutes at that other site.
But I forgot, Slashdot editors don't have standards. S'cuse me.
The article is dated April 2002 and the deadline for responses is 20 May.
In fact it's probably the only business move most of these artists have available to them. The major labels are not going to foot the payola bill to get them on broadcast radio so the best chance they have of selling any music anywhere but off the card table at their shows is on the Internet.
I buy music I hear learn about on Net radio. Even if 99% of the listeners don't, it's still an increase in sales.
Watching Cowboy Bebop in my jammies, eating a bowl of Shreddies.
Hope you find this entertaining.
CEE5210S The signal SIGHUP was received.
I just signed up my old band, Latex Generation! At the height of Napster's popularity we got more emails than ever. We used to also play all of our stuff on a Live365 station. We never had intended to make money with our music, and it took me all over the USA, Europe, and Australia. The least I can do is offer it to the masses free of charge!
Sound waves should be free!
If Taco did what you're describing, I don't think so many people would have a beef. At k5, where, as you said, the "lunatics run the place," Rusty reserves the right to and actually does delete crap posts. But no one there bitches about it. Why? Perhaps because he admits that's what he does.
Quoting from the article: ... the major record labels [working through the courts] ... have ... apply... ... retroactive to 1998.
>
> now made a serious move that, if successful, will
> hefty fees to broadcasters,
Retroactive to 1998? Yeeeesh. If that's true, it would
represent a serious abuse of power, or I'm missing something.
Lawmakers can't even _think_ about levying fees retroactive
to 1998 (Article I Section 9). But now the courts _can_?
The courts are supposed to interpret the law, not go off
on their own doing things that *can't* be made into law
because the constitution won't allow it. Or is there some
twisted interpretation by which some extant law can be
construed to indicate that these fees should have been paid
all along? Can someone explain this, before I lose my last
shreds of faith in our legal system?
Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
Easy one. The FAQ prior to the recent admission to the existence of unlimited moderator points on 1/24/02 after the "First Slashdot Troll Post Investigation."
Give me the quote where he says that ONLY users moderated. I was NEVER under the impression that the editors didn't moderate.
they're just hypocrites when they do that while pretending to be doing something altogether different.
One again, give me evidence that they EVER said one thing while doing another. I've never seen it.
Don't forget: most of those trolls used to be (heck, some still are) contributors. What do you think happened?
I HIGHLY doubt that the crapflooding trolls are just disenfranchised intelligent posters. It's much more likely they are mostly high school students with too much time on their hands.
Rusty reserves the right to and actually does delete crap posts. But no one there bitches about it. Why? Perhaps because he admits that's what he does.
Or he deletes the posts of people who bitch about it.
It still astounds me that somehow people think that editor's moderating is some big secret. I've never thought otherwise, and what's more, I fully support the practice. It's just more efficient for getting rid of all the crap posts.
Somehow people are fine when Rusty fully deletes posts, but are not fine with the editors of Slashdot moderate posts down.
Let's also keep in mind that K5's traffic is like 1/100th to 1/1000th of Slashdot, so it doesn't attract as many of the idiots.
Yup. We all stayed here.
...based on their music, not if they are on some gay list.
http://www.petitiononline.com/nocarp/petition.html .
[insert witty comment here]
I will be doing whatever I can to help in this battle, even if it means just sharing my music and encouraging others to do the same.
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The kids are bored,
at home for the summer
on a computer they can't afford,
A first post will not be had
in these coming weeks.
and it's sad.
More catchy tunes (CARP-free music!!!)
Yeah, you're right. No laws, just let em go... life will be so much better.
Big Daddy, Johnny, Burp, Aunt Zelda, Scott, Slurp, Big Momma
takes for the info. It's pretty good.
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Please, I urge you all to send a fax to Congress regarding this matter. It's simple and straightforward, and it's free.
SomaFM has a very convenient portal here.