This. Mod. Up. This is what I'm taking away from everything I've seen.
Newsweek can allude to one death "being caused by" the information release, but that's only because it comes in chronological order.
Of coarse[sic] so many documents were leaked that sooner or later the military will find someone who was killed and also mentioned somewhere in the documents.
Coincidental and inevitable.
Let's look at this in a different direction: here we have an (informant?) to the US military, presumably native to the area, who must have chosen sides, and his side was against the Taliban. He knew what the consequences of his actions could be, and instead of sticking his head in the sand and saying nothing to nobody, he stuck up for what he believed in. It's unfortunate that he died, but I wonder how many American Revolutionary War vets would have done the exact same thing. It's truly the personification of the Patrick Henry quote, "Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
The information release doesn't change the fact that he made his choice knowing the possible consequences. It only puts a face on the faceless Afghans who are fighting against the Taliban.
Do you ever sleep, or do you just continuously drive your truck?
Unless you're doing delivery routes or you live in a rural area (which the parent's link says you have a 20% chance of), 200 miles of range should cover you for your daily commute. Think about what you're going to do Monday morning. Will you put more than 200 miles on the odometer before you go to sleep? If the answer is no, then an electric car could work for you. Because while you're sleeping, while you're at work, while you're shopping at the grocery store... all the times your car is parked, it could be charging, if the infrastructure is there for it.
Also, I don't know where the 150-200 mile range is coming from; the Leaf is expected to get 100 miles per charge. Even then, it still works as commuter transportation for the masses.
Bought a truck because you like to buy large objects at yard sales once a month? There's no reason it can't be built, and it probably will be as soon as electric cars are mainstream.
However, propane works great for fleet vehicles always returning to a home base. Schwan's figured it out a long time ago. Go here and slide the truck to 1974.
Close, but not quite. The incoming air temperature is raised by use of glow plugs in the intake manifold (and/or other starting aids) to allow the diesel to combust properly. Worn diesel engines still require using glow plugs or other starting aids even in hot weather. The earliest diesel engines had spring-loaded switches to prevent leaving the glow plugs on, which would cause them to fail prematurely and drain the battery, as you suggested.
What does it really cost to mothball a jet, especially in the climates that Southwest has their hubs in? Hangar and minor maintenance time? I think annual inspections would be required whether the plane put any hours on in that year or not, but inspections are required for all the planes, and it's figured into the ticket price. Really, keeping a few spare planes at key hubs can be figured into the books somewhere. As someone else pointed out earlier, they don't have to be new planes. Currently older planes are sold to other countries, or scrapped for pennies on the dollar. We pay for new planes with our fares.
As a guy who travels extensively, if it meant a decision between keeping a closer departure time or flying in a newer plane, I'd pick staying on schedule, every time. As long as it's safe, I don't care if the carpets are shag green or the tail says TWA.
My car is governed at 128, and I've previously been stopped for doing 94 in a 55. I received a hefty ticket and I paid it. The police did not get an arrest warrant, search my house, or seize my computers.
What the police department did about the recording is very wrong but that's a separate issue.
And that "separate issue" would be the issue at hand. The defendant has everything coming to him regarding speeding and/or reckless driving citations, but that's not why the ACLU is representing him, nor why he's facing 16 years in jail. In that respect, IMHO he is an innocent victim.
Lots of people often have psychological problems that manifest themselves into substance abuse problems. Just because someone is a contributing member of society doesn't mean they don't have deep-seated issues. On the contrary, many of society's "contributors" are frustrated or apathetic in life, not just due to their job - people are not an easily solved equation. The ones who have "come clean" know their weaknesses and have made wise, experienced decisions to refuse those substances. However, not all people have those weaknesses.
As far as the deforestation is concerned, [from an unverified source] I've been told that in the Pacific Northwest, Weyerhaeuser will replant 5 trees for every 1 they cut down, knowing that 2-3 probably won't make it. They already own the land, at that point it becomes a farm with a 25-year crop cycle.
And I don't know how long you've been involved in farms, but in the Midwest if you want to continue farming (and turning a profit) after more than one crop, you need to till the soil and replenish the nutrients such as nitrogen using fertilizer and crop rotation. If farmers didn't do that, the world would have run out of Wheaties and Cheerios back in the 50's.
I don't think that Musk needs to be schooled on how to make a business plan.
While his previous business was successful, it depended heavily on two key aspects: the revenue stream came from taking "off the top" of what amounts to providing a simple service, and it depended very heavily on one key player for the majority of its revenue: eBay.
This is different. His company will be required to produce a physical good with a warranty, which will have to meet expectations and requirements. When PayPal began, there were no real precedents to meet because it was a fledgling market and people discovered what worked and didn't work. That business grew as people's understanding of it grew. Here, people are going to expect that all 4 wheels turn the same direction, it have seat belts and airbags, and enough 12 volt power ports to suit their theirPods and PowerBerries. It's a whole 'nother ball game. And this time, there probably won't be another key player that they can ride the coattails of to break into the market.
Also, I dunno that I would have chosen the direction of R&D funding that he did, but that's just my baseless opinion - maybe he has a real winner with that theory.
Actually, I think - no, wait, nix that - I BELIEVE it's most important that we change this aspect of American culture. If you look at the grand scheme of things, the cross-country trip you talk about was only made possible by the cheap cost of gasoline and the growing number of vehicles in the post-war boom. The levels of excess shown in the 50s and 60s are reflected in the vehicles from that era, from the size of the cars to the amount of chrome used on them, and the "summer vacation" was one of those excesses. Changing that culture is important, and it's easy to do now, because it's only been around for a generation or two. As far as actual transportation needs are concerned, it has already been superseded by the affordability of airline travel. It used to take weeks or months to get across this country with previous methods of transportation, but with added convenience, there's always a cost, and in this case it's a cost to the environment. You can visually see that cost as it accumulates in the Gulf of Mexico, and as you overlook Los Angeles. (Hell, simply sustaining human life in the numbers we have is a cost to the environment.)
For the "here and now, one size fits all" types, they will always have the choice of a gasoline car. For the "I'm trying to make this country habitable for my children" types, they now have a choice of an electric car. It's truly a choice, because no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. Governments use rebates and tax breaks as a means to motivate or persuade a population, but you could call it coercion if you like. Personally, I realize the oil supply is finite, and while I most likely will not see the end of that supply in my lifetime, I recognize that there is one, and I'm one of the "children" types. I'm ecstatic that I now have a choice.
While the part about unsprung weight is true, each electric motor would only need to have a quarter of the weight of a single motor. Also, standard electric motors are built to a condensed size for convenience purposes. Specialty hub motors can have greater torque when they fit into a space inside of a rim because the distance from the axle that the torque is applied to is increased, which means they don't have to have as much copper and iron to get the same amount of power as a standard condensed electric motor, which means they can be lighter.
Plus, that would effectively be an all-wheel drive car - most cars are only two-wheel drive...
Considering the Leaf will recharge in 8 hours using the home charger rated at 240 volts 40 amps single-phase, that comes out to be 76.8 KWh needed to fully charge the battery, assuming they actually draw 40 amps and don't just overrate the breaker.
If proper cooling for and proper charge control for the battery can be obtained, there's no reason you couldn't charge it off of a standard 13200 volt three-phase transmission line at 5 amps for about twenty three minutes. So, for your 330kV example, you could charge it in 55 seconds. However, the voltage conversion equipment to do this in the car would be bigger than the car itself. And, why would you want to? This car is intended for people who commute less than 100 miles a day, which is a majority of commuters, the majority of the time. It charges while you do: at night, when you can pay half your electrical rate if your energy provider allows for it. If you need to drive more than 100 miles every day, you should be looking at a hybrid or ICE vehicle.
This is a new and emerging technology. Solutions such as swappable battery packs will come, but we have to start using the technology in order to figure out what works or doesn't work. You can't send a man to the moon with calculations alone: Apollo 11 was not the first thing in space.
Maybe it's really late, but have you ever heard of The Onion? You wouldn't take that news literally, would you? There are barely a hundred people who read xkcd, so there's no way anyone could get a hundred semi-intelligent GEEKS to attempt something so inane.
Besides, when you Google it, that's the only "news service" that picked up on it.
I feel like I'm deserving a hugh-grongo WHOOSH for pointing this out.
The distance measurement you're using (millimeters, portions of the meter) is not an energy measurement, it's a wavelength distance used to measure frequency (usually peak-to-peak). Hertz (or cycles per second if you're old enough to remember that) is another measurement that is directly related to wavelength distance: the smaller the wavelength, the higher the frequency. Ham radio guys know this because they transmit on 160 meters thru 23 centimeter bands, which if you knew anything about what you were spouting, you'd already know. Wattage is the proper measurement for the amount of energy being produced.
And FFS, wattage is not measured in photons, it's measured in watts, or portions of watts, such as a milliwatt. You look like an idiot when you do it wrong.
You can still buy high quality goods and not come up with reasons to throw them away.
Not manufactured in the United States.
There's a reason for that, and it's perceived value vs. cost. If you take two products (using a set of pots and pans, for instance), one being made in the US and one being made in China, and compare them side by side, it would be difficult for the average American consumer to tell the difference. They aren't going to recognize the differences that come with a higher quality object, in this case it might be thicker steel that makes up the pots and pans. Or even if they recognize the differences, they aren't able to discern what makes that feature an indicator of "higher quality." (i.e. why thicker steel = quality/longevity)
So when the American consumer is faced with two more or less identical objects to them, they're going to choose the one of less cost, because that will allow them to retain more money, to spend on other things as well.
Companies realize that Americans cannot tell the difference between these two items, so why would they manufacture high-quality items that no one will buy? They need to compete with the other lower quality items using only price as a metric, just like the American consumer. And the only way to do that is to get the much cheaper labor and the much cheaper steel, and pay more for shipping, which is just what their competition does.
In summary, the fault of the economy "going to China" lies not in the companies selling the goods, but in the American consumer buying products based solely on the initial price of that product, rather than the actual value over a given length of time. I posit that if Americans were to begin paying more for higher quality items, companies would provide items of higher quality for Americans to buy.
I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MONITOR HIM.....just b/c i dont have custody doesnt mean i dont care...and maybe if grandmother was doing her JOB I WOULDNT HAVE TO!
Maybe if Grandmother would have been doing her job/kept her legs shut the first time this wouldn't have been an issue to begin with.
The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard.
*sigh* And here I was about to ask what you're doing Friday night... Ah well.
Offtopic, there may be more/. lurkers in MN than you might think. I rarely post but I've seen your posts quite a bit, and I didn't know until now that you were from MN. I sincerely wish you the best of luck with that, because it's getting tougher to find someone to have an intellectual discussion with, period; let alone available lesbians.
The fact that they offer it in not just MP3, but ANY semi-modern format (FLAC and vinyl = awesome), just goes to show that they have a very firm grasp on modern marketing techniques.
I've never even heard of them, but for $7 I bought it on principle alone. I now have a perfectly lossless DRM-free album, and I didn't even have to get my ass out of the chair.
(As a side note, thanks for building PG; I've used it in the past and it worked great.)
That's really the question I have: What's the point of such accuracy? Anything beyond 50 or a hundred digits past the decimal point is seemingly academic to me. Will anyone actually do a calculation using pi as a variable with a 2.7 billion digit accuracy?
This site says Citigroup received 50 billion from the Fed. The little bit that was stolen is just a drop in the bucket. Dillenger probably did better percentage-wise in the 1930's with a gun and some balls.
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Newsweek can allude to one death "being caused by" the information release, but that's only because it comes in chronological order.
Of coarse[sic] so many documents were leaked that sooner or later the military will find someone who was killed and also mentioned somewhere in the documents.
Coincidental and inevitable.
Let's look at this in a different direction: here we have an (informant?) to the US military, presumably native to the area, who must have chosen sides, and his side was against the Taliban. He knew what the consequences of his actions could be, and instead of sticking his head in the sand and saying nothing to nobody, he stuck up for what he believed in. It's unfortunate that he died, but I wonder how many American Revolutionary War vets would have done the exact same thing. It's truly the personification of the Patrick Henry quote, "Give me Liberty, or give me death!"
The information release doesn't change the fact that he made his choice knowing the possible consequences. It only puts a face on the faceless Afghans who are fighting against the Taliban.
Do you ever sleep, or do you just continuously drive your truck?
Unless you're doing delivery routes or you live in a rural area (which the parent's link says you have a 20% chance of), 200 miles of range should cover you for your daily commute. Think about what you're going to do Monday morning. Will you put more than 200 miles on the odometer before you go to sleep? If the answer is no, then an electric car could work for you. Because while you're sleeping, while you're at work, while you're shopping at the grocery store... all the times your car is parked, it could be charging, if the infrastructure is there for it.
Also, I don't know where the 150-200 mile range is coming from; the Leaf is expected to get 100 miles per charge. Even then, it still works as commuter transportation for the masses.
Bought a truck because you like to buy large objects at yard sales once a month? There's no reason it can't be built, and it probably will be as soon as electric cars are mainstream.
However, propane works great for fleet vehicles always returning to a home base. Schwan's figured it out a long time ago. Go here and slide the truck to 1974.
Close, but not quite. The incoming air temperature is raised by use of glow plugs in the intake manifold (and/or other starting aids) to allow the diesel to combust properly. Worn diesel engines still require using glow plugs or other starting aids even in hot weather. The earliest diesel engines had spring-loaded switches to prevent leaving the glow plugs on, which would cause them to fail prematurely and drain the battery, as you suggested.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glowplug
What does it really cost to mothball a jet, especially in the climates that Southwest has their hubs in? Hangar and minor maintenance time? I think annual inspections would be required whether the plane put any hours on in that year or not, but inspections are required for all the planes, and it's figured into the ticket price. Really, keeping a few spare planes at key hubs can be figured into the books somewhere. As someone else pointed out earlier, they don't have to be new planes. Currently older planes are sold to other countries, or scrapped for pennies on the dollar. We pay for new planes with our fares.
As a guy who travels extensively, if it meant a decision between keeping a closer departure time or flying in a newer plane, I'd pick staying on schedule, every time. As long as it's safe, I don't care if the carpets are shag green or the tail says TWA.
What the police department did about the recording is very wrong but that's a separate issue.
And that "separate issue" would be the issue at hand. The defendant has everything coming to him regarding speeding and/or reckless driving citations, but that's not why the ACLU is representing him, nor why he's facing 16 years in jail. In that respect, IMHO he is an innocent victim.
I think you missed the last line of his comment.
Lots of people often have psychological problems that manifest themselves into substance abuse problems. Just because someone is a contributing member of society doesn't mean they don't have deep-seated issues. On the contrary, many of society's "contributors" are frustrated or apathetic in life, not just due to their job - people are not an easily solved equation. The ones who have "come clean" know their weaknesses and have made wise, experienced decisions to refuse those substances. However, not all people have those weaknesses.
As far as the deforestation is concerned, [from an unverified source] I've been told that in the Pacific Northwest, Weyerhaeuser will replant 5 trees for every 1 they cut down, knowing that 2-3 probably won't make it. They already own the land, at that point it becomes a farm with a 25-year crop cycle.
And I don't know how long you've been involved in farms, but in the Midwest if you want to continue farming (and turning a profit) after more than one crop, you need to till the soil and replenish the nutrients such as nitrogen using fertilizer and crop rotation. If farmers didn't do that, the world would have run out of Wheaties and Cheerios back in the 50's.
I don't think that Musk needs to be schooled on how to make a business plan.
While his previous business was successful, it depended heavily on two key aspects: the revenue stream came from taking "off the top" of what amounts to providing a simple service, and it depended very heavily on one key player for the majority of its revenue: eBay.
This is different. His company will be required to produce a physical good with a warranty, which will have to meet expectations and requirements. When PayPal began, there were no real precedents to meet because it was a fledgling market and people discovered what worked and didn't work. That business grew as people's understanding of it grew. Here, people are going to expect that all 4 wheels turn the same direction, it have seat belts and airbags, and enough 12 volt power ports to suit their theirPods and PowerBerries. It's a whole 'nother ball game. And this time, there probably won't be another key player that they can ride the coattails of to break into the market.
Also, I dunno that I would have chosen the direction of R&D funding that he did, but that's just my baseless opinion - maybe he has a real winner with that theory.
Actually, I think - no, wait, nix that - I BELIEVE it's most important that we change this aspect of American culture. If you look at the grand scheme of things, the cross-country trip you talk about was only made possible by the cheap cost of gasoline and the growing number of vehicles in the post-war boom. The levels of excess shown in the 50s and 60s are reflected in the vehicles from that era, from the size of the cars to the amount of chrome used on them, and the "summer vacation" was one of those excesses. Changing that culture is important, and it's easy to do now, because it's only been around for a generation or two. As far as actual transportation needs are concerned, it has already been superseded by the affordability of airline travel. It used to take weeks or months to get across this country with previous methods of transportation, but with added convenience, there's always a cost, and in this case it's a cost to the environment. You can visually see that cost as it accumulates in the Gulf of Mexico, and as you overlook Los Angeles. (Hell, simply sustaining human life in the numbers we have is a cost to the environment.)
For the "here and now, one size fits all" types, they will always have the choice of a gasoline car. For the "I'm trying to make this country habitable for my children" types, they now have a choice of an electric car. It's truly a choice, because no one is forcing anyone to buy anything. Governments use rebates and tax breaks as a means to motivate or persuade a population, but you could call it coercion if you like. Personally, I realize the oil supply is finite, and while I most likely will not see the end of that supply in my lifetime, I recognize that there is one, and I'm one of the "children" types. I'm ecstatic that I now have a choice.
While the part about unsprung weight is true, each electric motor would only need to have a quarter of the weight of a single motor. Also, standard electric motors are built to a condensed size for convenience purposes. Specialty hub motors can have greater torque when they fit into a space inside of a rim because the distance from the axle that the torque is applied to is increased, which means they don't have to have as much copper and iron to get the same amount of power as a standard condensed electric motor, which means they can be lighter.
Plus, that would effectively be an all-wheel drive car - most cars are only two-wheel drive...
Considering the Leaf will recharge in 8 hours using the home charger rated at 240 volts 40 amps single-phase, that comes out to be 76.8 KWh needed to fully charge the battery, assuming they actually draw 40 amps and don't just overrate the breaker.
If proper cooling for and proper charge control for the battery can be obtained, there's no reason you couldn't charge it off of a standard 13200 volt three-phase transmission line at 5 amps for about twenty three minutes. So, for your 330kV example, you could charge it in 55 seconds. However, the voltage conversion equipment to do this in the car would be bigger than the car itself. And, why would you want to? This car is intended for people who commute less than 100 miles a day, which is a majority of commuters, the majority of the time. It charges while you do: at night, when you can pay half your electrical rate if your energy provider allows for it. If you need to drive more than 100 miles every day, you should be looking at a hybrid or ICE vehicle.
This is a new and emerging technology. Solutions such as swappable battery packs will come, but we have to start using the technology in order to figure out what works or doesn't work. You can't send a man to the moon with calculations alone: Apollo 11 was not the first thing in space.
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OTOH, this I think is much more disturbing: http://www.bbspot.com/News/2007/10/xkcd-comic-reenactment-leads-to-100-deaths.html
Maybe it's really late, but have you ever heard of The Onion? You wouldn't take that news literally, would you? There are barely a hundred people who read xkcd, so there's no way anyone could get a hundred semi-intelligent GEEKS to attempt something so inane.
Besides, when you Google it, that's the only "news service" that picked up on it.
I feel like I'm deserving a hugh-grongo WHOOSH for pointing this out.
Hi there; I'm Pot, and I stand corrected.
No.
The distance measurement you're using (millimeters, portions of the meter) is not an energy measurement, it's a wavelength distance used to measure frequency (usually peak-to-peak). Hertz (or cycles per second if you're old enough to remember that) is another measurement that is directly related to wavelength distance: the smaller the wavelength, the higher the frequency. Ham radio guys know this because they transmit on 160 meters thru 23 centimeter bands, which if you knew anything about what you were spouting, you'd already know. Wattage is the proper measurement for the amount of energy being produced.
And FFS, wattage is not measured in photons, it's measured in watts, or portions of watts, such as a milliwatt. You look like an idiot when you do it wrong.
You can still buy high quality goods and not come up with reasons to throw them away.
Not manufactured in the United States.
There's a reason for that, and it's perceived value vs. cost. If you take two products (using a set of pots and pans, for instance), one being made in the US and one being made in China, and compare them side by side, it would be difficult for the average American consumer to tell the difference. They aren't going to recognize the differences that come with a higher quality object, in this case it might be thicker steel that makes up the pots and pans. Or even if they recognize the differences, they aren't able to discern what makes that feature an indicator of "higher quality." (i.e. why thicker steel = quality/longevity)
So when the American consumer is faced with two more or less identical objects to them, they're going to choose the one of less cost, because that will allow them to retain more money, to spend on other things as well.
Companies realize that Americans cannot tell the difference between these two items, so why would they manufacture high-quality items that no one will buy? They need to compete with the other lower quality items using only price as a metric, just like the American consumer. And the only way to do that is to get the much cheaper labor and the much cheaper steel, and pay more for shipping, which is just what their competition does.
In summary, the fault of the economy "going to China" lies not in the companies selling the goods, but in the American consumer buying products based solely on the initial price of that product, rather than the actual value over a given length of time. I posit that if Americans were to begin paying more for higher quality items, companies would provide items of higher quality for Americans to buy.
Good luck on getting that to happen.
I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO MONITOR HIM.....just b/c i dont have custody doesnt mean i dont care...and maybe if grandmother was doing her JOB I WOULDNT HAVE TO!
Maybe if Grandmother would have been doing her job/kept her legs shut the first time this wouldn't have been an issue to begin with.
The problem with the gene pool is that there's no lifeguard.
That which flourishes in the dark and cannot withstand the light of public scrutiny has no place in the institutions of men.
That was an awesome quote. Is that from somewhere, or can I cite you for it?
Best laugh I've had all day, thanks!
*sigh* And here I was about to ask what you're doing Friday night... Ah well.
/. lurkers in MN than you might think. I rarely post but I've seen your posts quite a bit, and I didn't know until now that you were from MN. I sincerely wish you the best of luck with that, because it's getting tougher to find someone to have an intellectual discussion with, period; let alone available lesbians.
Offtopic, there may be more
The fact that they offer it in not just MP3, but ANY semi-modern format (FLAC and vinyl = awesome), just goes to show that they have a very firm grasp on modern marketing techniques.
I've never even heard of them, but for $7 I bought it on principle alone. I now have a perfectly lossless DRM-free album, and I didn't even have to get my ass out of the chair.
(As a side note, thanks for building PG; I've used it in the past and it worked great.)
Mod Up, well said.
That's really the question I have: What's the point of such accuracy? Anything beyond 50 or a hundred digits past the decimal point is seemingly academic to me. Will anyone actually do a calculation using pi as a variable with a 2.7 billion digit accuracy?
This site says Citigroup received 50 billion from the Fed. The little bit that was stolen is just a drop in the bucket. Dillenger probably did better percentage-wise in the 1930's with a gun and some balls.