my ipod touch is an ipod for books. in addition to all the music and movies i have on there, i have hundreds of books as well. one device to rule them all.
According to your description, the UAC wouldn't have changed anything, she would have clicked on "yes, allow".
I wasn't referring to it so much as a security tool as a training device to create more autoclickers.
There is indeed a class of users that will click on "yes" or "ok" when presented with pretty much any dialog without ever reading the text. "Start disk deletion ?" yes "infect all your files ?" yes "empty your bank account ?" yes
Yep. I've met plenty of them. I still try to convince them that it is a bad idea, but no luck. No matter how many ID theft horror stories, lost work stories, or anything else, no impression. One managed to clck away a warning message on the only copy of her thesis.
They're usually the same that are the bane of tech support, being unable to read text displayed in front of them or to click on a clearly labeled item. How they ever get to use their machine in the first place is a mystery.
I think it's a mixture of disinterest and loathing. As far as they are conditioned, the computer is going to mess up any way, so may as well try to get it over with as quickly as possible. And perhaps beat the gremlins.
Which is modder in the sense of cracking the copy protection. Not modder as in taking the thing apart and putting it in a new case.
What earthly reason would Sony or anybody else have to object to someone voiding their warranty and making a one off device that can only reflect well on them? IF it breaks, not Sony's problem. If someone sees it, they are impressed by the workmanship. Still a Sony, still the guy's personal property.
Hardware companies have been known to sponsor case modders to make promotional pieces. How is this different.
Some people should be restricted only to a Linux live CD like Knoppix.
Tempting, but I put her on Linux last year after she wiped out her Windows install. Now she does all the same stuff, but the autoclicking has no effect. I didn't install WINE for her obviously.
Why would anyone, ever, under any circumstances click on a popup ad? For antivirus?
Who are these people, and how can I take their money somehow more legitimately?
For a modest fee, I can supply her name and number. Last crapware purge netted about 400 infections. She has got herself programmed to click ok to close any popup that appears. Surprisingly few viruses, but a fine collection of fake virus scanners that insist on starting up and displaying a comforting splash screen at boot. And she was using XP.. No UAC.
Gotta love the hypocrisy. If a user volunatarily installs malware on their system and get in a botnet and they are Windows it's: "ZOMG TEH WINDOZE IS TEH INSECURE!!!". When a Linux box is part of a botnet due to someone voluntarily installing malware on the system it's: "This isn't proof of Linux not being secure".
Not really. The above example is proof of the user being a security risk, not the OS.
When a user installs malware, it is user error. Impossible for ANY OS to protect against. Calling the user a flaw in the OS is inaccurate at best. Same applies to situations where someone has gained physical access to the PC in question. Impossible for any OS to ever defend against such things.
Where Windows excels though, is in automated installation of malware. Linux or OSX have years to go before they are even close to reaching the Windows gold standard for exploit friendly design..
I resent that, Mr. Anonymous Coward. Windows is the most secure system in the entire world as long as you leave the system unplugged from the network and inside of a Faraday cage. With the USB ports disabled and no CD-ROM/Floppy drive. And armed guards at the door.
It's a feasible option for any business.
What planet are you on where exists such a thing as a "chemistry set"...much less one expressly designed for children? Are you mad, sir? Sounds like a liability nightmare, not even counting the ones who do it right and synthesize chemicals right there in their houses, with no plan for disposal. No vent hood, no fire extinguisher, no eye protection...seriously who came up with an idea like this? 'Timmy tries chemistry' indeed.
Or this one... http://www.flickr.com/photos/eklektikos/47549033/
I can just see it now.. Front page news about terrorists learning how to make dirty bombs at home.
And people wonder why science is getting more and more sidelined...
I told my bank to go fuck off when I was asked to remove my glasses/hat. Seeing as how I regularly keep $5,000+ in the bank(and was there to deposit another $1,000), they should learn to make some exceptions..like maybe looking for guns or other suspicious activity..
Like wearing sunglasses and a hat, while potentially casing the bank for a possible robbery?
Why exactly were you trying to obscure your face from the cashier? And didn't your objection to a pretty rational request make you look even more suspicious.. What exactly were you trying to do? Or am I being too suspicious?
If you were, you would have seen that FBIAA agent who is about to arrest you for stealing unpaid content...
Oh scary..
It's quite simple. I'll stop using ad block when sites stop using flash adverts that annoy and distract from the article I'm reading. I don't mind advertising at a sensible level. In fact, even though I'm eligible for an ad free slashdot, I have chosen to not take advantage of the offer. And I have adblock turned off on this site.
If the site owners get upset by this, tough. They can always scan for adblock and reject my browser if they like.
You don't have a problem when you have powers of focus greater than a mental midget and an easy going attitude. Sure, its harsh, but its really not that hard to tune out the ads. The only ones that bug me are the pop-overs with floating boxes that you generally can't do anything about. They displease me, so I don't go to those sites. Amusingly, the only times I ever see ads such as those are when following links from slashdot.
It isn't so much a matter of not being able to concentrate on the subject of the site, as not wishing to make such a concession if we don't have to. It's possible to do a lot of things in decidedly sub optimal conditions. But if you choose the hard way freely, then you become the one with a problem.
For me, surfing without adblock is not an option. I said goodbye to annoying flash ads years ago, and have never looked back. I do enable ads on some sites, where I know they are not going to be obtrusive. Slashdot, various news sites with a sane amount of ads, no problem, so I do see some. But the sites that scatter animated irritations over the bulk of the page, and have a paragraph or two buried over half a dozen pages.. Forget it. I'm more likely to refresh the page a few times out of pure spite.
Any idiot that pays retail price for something on eBay is well.....a sucker, and there is one born every minute.
And they always seem to outbid me..
There are idiots. Agreed. But the same is true of any auction. People get into a mindset where they simply must win. And they end up paying more for the non guaranteed item than retail. Usually it's the noobs, so anybody with only a few auctions under their belt worries me.
Good luck to them. I set my maximum before I even bid, and let the auction go instead of paying over the odds. There is not much there that is unique.
Someone was selling an "antique" brass skull walking stick handle a few months ago when I needed a new walking stick. Nice patina and everything in the picture.. They are still selling them at about £70 a pop..
Ebay is ok, provided you look carefully at what you are buying, and view certain products with a healthy scepticism. Would I buy an expensive watch there.. Don't be daft.. Not a chance. If I ever got anything for my money, It would at best, be a cheap knockoff.
Somehow I coaxed my cousin to run it later and it printed out a nice connection string about connecting to a classified DoD computer and after the two of us spending 10 minutes trying to guess the password (after which I let the correct out just slip out:)) it logged in and started displaying "top secret documents" on how they'd really found aliens on the moon during the Apollo missions. She got freaked out for a while before I finally let her in on the joke. It was kinda fun to live in that age when people were gullible enough to accept ANYTHING that popped up on screen.
Back when I was using DOS, I made a simple little program that displayed a C prompt, and allowed any input, but as soon as you pressed return, it threw up a while bunch of errors and looked like the computer was going onto meltdown.
After a few requests for permission to do diagnostics and scary looking progress bars, it stopped and displayed a gotcha screen. Few people ever got that for though.
Always fun to watch people go from bored to terrified, followed by hastily turning the computer off and quickly and quietly walking away. Tried it on a neighbour's kids and the look of sheer horror on their faces was classic.
What about option three? People stop designing cars, watches, etc, because once they sell one, anyone with the "replicator" can get theirs without the original designer being paid
In a world where everything costs nothing, what would they spend money on?
I keep hearing a few loud people complaining about the awesome bar, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they don't like about it.
Because people using the same computer will see their porn bookmarks. Embarrassing for a 15 year old when their mothers find the carefully hidden list by typing in something innocent in the address bar.
That just proves how out of touch with reality America is.
How can you have a "World" series when only one country from the "World" competes.
Because it was named after the company that sponsored it.. The "World" newspaper, as far as I remember. It could just as easily have been the times series or the enquirer series or any other paper you care to mention.
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my ipod touch is an ipod for books. in addition to all the music and movies i have on there, i have hundreds of books as well. one device to rule them all.
And in the darkness bind them?
Translation: they killed the PSP.
But.. But.. But.. It's an app store!! All the software in one place, no shopping about.. How could it fail??
According to your description, the UAC wouldn't have changed anything, she would have clicked on "yes, allow".
I wasn't referring to it so much as a security tool as a training device to create more autoclickers.
There is indeed a class of users that will click on "yes" or "ok" when presented with pretty much any dialog without ever reading the text. "Start disk deletion ?" yes "infect all your files ?" yes "empty your bank account ?" yes
Yep. I've met plenty of them. I still try to convince them that it is a bad idea, but no luck. No matter how many ID theft horror stories, lost work stories, or anything else, no impression. One managed to clck away a warning message on the only copy of her thesis.
They're usually the same that are the bane of tech support, being unable to read text displayed in front of them or to click on a clearly labeled item. How they ever get to use their machine in the first place is a mystery.
I think it's a mixture of disinterest and loathing. As far as they are conditioned, the computer is going to mess up any way, so may as well try to get it over with as quickly as possible. And perhaps beat the gremlins.
Yeah... that sounds like a great idea... http://yro.slashdot.org/story/07/06/26/1620240/ESA-Initiates-Police-Raid-Against-Console-Modder?art_pos=2 Ha.
Which is modder in the sense of cracking the copy protection.
Not modder as in taking the thing apart and putting it in a new case.
What earthly reason would Sony or anybody else have to object to someone voiding their warranty and making a one off device that can only reflect well on them? IF it breaks, not Sony's problem. If someone sees it, they are impressed by the workmanship. Still a Sony, still the guy's personal property.
Hardware companies have been known to sponsor case modders to make promotional pieces. How is this different.
Some people should be restricted only to a Linux live CD like Knoppix.
Tempting, but I put her on Linux last year after she wiped out her Windows install. Now she does all the same stuff, but the autoclicking has no effect. I didn't install WINE for her obviously.
Why would anyone, ever, under any circumstances click on a popup ad? For antivirus?
Who are these people, and how can I take their money somehow more legitimately?
For a modest fee, I can supply her name and number. Last crapware purge netted about 400 infections. She has got herself programmed to click ok to close any popup that appears. Surprisingly few viruses, but a fine collection of fake virus scanners that insist on starting up and displaying a comforting splash screen at boot. And she was using XP.. No UAC.
S10 uses the Atom CPU. Wouldn't it be slow as shit to run Windows 7 on that?
Windows 7??? I'm still grinning at the thought of some poor kid trying to use CS4 on Windows7 on a 10.1 inch netbook!!
Gotta love the hypocrisy. If a user volunatarily installs malware on their system and get in a botnet and they are Windows it's: "ZOMG TEH WINDOZE IS TEH INSECURE!!!". When a Linux box is part of a botnet due to someone voluntarily installing malware on the system it's: "This isn't proof of Linux not being secure".
Not really. The above example is proof of the user being a security risk, not the OS. When a user installs malware, it is user error. Impossible for ANY OS to protect against. Calling the user a flaw in the OS is inaccurate at best. Same applies to situations where someone has gained physical access to the PC in question. Impossible for any OS to ever defend against such things. Where Windows excels though, is in automated installation of malware. Linux or OSX have years to go before they are even close to reaching the Windows gold standard for exploit friendly design..
I resent that, Mr. Anonymous Coward. Windows is the most secure system in the entire world as long as you leave the system unplugged from the network and inside of a Faraday cage. With the USB ports disabled and no CD-ROM/Floppy drive. And armed guards at the door. It's a feasible option for any business.
Until you turn it on...
Linux Thorvalds, ancient Viking god of computers?
Is he the one who fought the Midgard server?
What planet are you on where exists such a thing as a "chemistry set"...much less one expressly designed for children? Are you mad, sir? Sounds like a liability nightmare, not even counting the ones who do it right and synthesize chemicals right there in their houses, with no plan for disposal. No vent hood, no fire extinguisher, no eye protection...seriously who came up with an idea like this? 'Timmy tries chemistry' indeed.
Or this one... http://www.flickr.com/photos/eklektikos/47549033/ I can just see it now.. Front page news about terrorists learning how to make dirty bombs at home. And people wonder why science is getting more and more sidelined...
I told my bank to go fuck off when I was asked to remove my glasses/hat. Seeing as how I regularly keep $5,000+ in the bank(and was there to deposit another $1,000), they should learn to make some exceptions..like maybe looking for guns or other suspicious activity..
Like wearing sunglasses and a hat, while potentially casing the bank for a possible robbery?
Why exactly were you trying to obscure your face from the cashier? And didn't your objection to a pretty rational request make you look even more suspicious.. What exactly were you trying to do? Or am I being too suspicious?
A tax is a tax even when you call it a license fee. Can I buy a TV just to play games on it without paying the tax?
Yes. But you could also buy a monitor, which is exempt. So no hassles.
If you were, you would have seen that FBIAA agent who is about to arrest you for stealing unpaid content...
Oh scary..
It's quite simple. I'll stop using ad block when sites stop using flash adverts that annoy and distract from the article I'm reading. I don't mind advertising at a sensible level. In fact, even though I'm eligible for an ad free slashdot, I have chosen to not take advantage of the offer. And I have adblock turned off on this site.
If the site owners get upset by this, tough. They can always scan for adblock and reject my browser if they like.
Aren't you looking back right now?
No.. If I was, I wouldn't be able to see the monitor.
You don't have a problem when you have powers of focus greater than a mental midget and an easy going attitude. Sure, its harsh, but its really not that hard to tune out the ads. The only ones that bug me are the pop-overs with floating boxes that you generally can't do anything about. They displease me, so I don't go to those sites. Amusingly, the only times I ever see ads such as those are when following links from slashdot.
It isn't so much a matter of not being able to concentrate on the subject of the site, as not wishing to make such a concession if we don't have to. It's possible to do a lot of things in decidedly sub optimal conditions. But if you choose the hard way freely, then you become the one with a problem.
For me, surfing without adblock is not an option. I said goodbye to annoying flash ads years ago, and have never looked back. I do enable ads on some sites, where I know they are not going to be obtrusive. Slashdot, various news sites with a sane amount of ads, no problem, so I do see some. But the sites that scatter animated irritations over the bulk of the page, and have a paragraph or two buried over half a dozen pages.. Forget it. I'm more likely to refresh the page a few times out of pure spite.
Any idiot that pays retail price for something on eBay is well.....a sucker, and there is one born every minute.
And they always seem to outbid me.. There are idiots. Agreed. But the same is true of any auction. People get into a mindset where they simply must win. And they end up paying more for the non guaranteed item than retail. Usually it's the noobs, so anybody with only a few auctions under their belt worries me. Good luck to them. I set my maximum before I even bid, and let the auction go instead of paying over the odds. There is not much there that is unique. Someone was selling an "antique" brass skull walking stick handle a few months ago when I needed a new walking stick. Nice patina and everything in the picture.. They are still selling them at about £70 a pop.. Ebay is ok, provided you look carefully at what you are buying, and view certain products with a healthy scepticism. Would I buy an expensive watch there.. Don't be daft.. Not a chance. If I ever got anything for my money, It would at best, be a cheap knockoff.
I swear there's a Chuck Norris joke in there somewhere...
You mean something like.. "Underneath Chuck Norris's beard is another fist, but underneath RMS's beard is the source code for Hurd?"
And there you go, the problem in a nutshell. Expecting end users to do stuff like this is bullshit.
You expect end users to solve networking problems? on ANY OS??? Good luck with that.
Somehow I coaxed my cousin to run it later and it printed out a nice connection string about connecting to a classified DoD computer and after the two of us spending 10 minutes trying to guess the password (after which I let the correct out just slip out :)) it logged in and started displaying "top secret documents" on how they'd really found aliens on the moon during the Apollo missions. She got freaked out for a while before I finally let her in on the joke. It was kinda fun to live in that age when people were gullible enough to accept ANYTHING that popped up on screen.
Back when I was using DOS, I made a simple little program that displayed a C prompt, and allowed any input, but as soon as you pressed return, it threw up a while bunch of errors and looked like the computer was going onto meltdown. After a few requests for permission to do diagnostics and scary looking progress bars, it stopped and displayed a gotcha screen. Few people ever got that for though. Always fun to watch people go from bored to terrified, followed by hastily turning the computer off and quickly and quietly walking away. Tried it on a neighbour's kids and the look of sheer horror on their faces was classic.
What about option three? People stop designing cars, watches, etc, because once they sell one, anyone with the "replicator" can get theirs without the original designer being paid
In a world where everything costs nothing, what would they spend money on?
I think you mean embarrassing for a stupid 15 year old who has no idea how to use multiple user accounts or Firefox 3.5's Private Browsing mode.
That too.
I keep hearing a few loud people complaining about the awesome bar, but I can't for the life of me figure out what they don't like about it.
Because people using the same computer will see their porn bookmarks. Embarrassing for a 15 year old when their mothers find the carefully hidden list by typing in something innocent in the address bar.
I thought the beginning of the end for IE was when Firefox gained more than 20% of the browser market share.
It was. This is the middle of the end.
IE used to be essential. Now it's one choice of many. This is the way the whole computer industry should be.
That just proves how out of touch with reality America is.
How can you have a "World" series when only one country from the "World" competes.
Because it was named after the company that sponsored it.. The "World" newspaper, as far as I remember. It could just as easily have been the times series or the enquirer series or any other paper you care to mention.
And America wonders why people hate it so much.
We don't hate.. We just point and laugh.