I have been in the fight against the current electronic voting machine for years.
Then name yourself. Show us your website, or contact, or some work. If you can't do that, you are clearly the fascist propagandist I say you are
I never said I worked for the CIA.
No, but you did give the initial appearance that you were. You tossed out an acronym that you didn't specify on first use, I have already figured out one out of two of your acronyms -- the MSIA. You spout off saying you have a MSIA, quickly tracking that acronym down points to a website that is "military oriented" and has a fucking "nsa approved" emblem on it, furthermore the actual class is only 18 months. So yeah I missed that. Unlike you I admit when I am wrong. But if you hadn't thrown deceptive acronyms in without defining that we wouldn't be off topic discussing this nonsense.
I don't have a degree, I never claimed one. Not that I didn't go to college.
You might have several degrees but don't know what the fuck your talking about when it comes to electronic vote tabulation devices.
You are apparently a technophobe, so scared of technology you can not see that it can be used legitimately for our good.
Technology by itself, isn't good or bad, how it's used makes it good or abusive.
Microwaving crowds is abusive Counting ballots electronically in secret without public oversight is abusive. (And No, watching the outside of a sheetmetal box with electronic tabulation devices inside is not public oversight) Wiretapping without a warrant is abusive. Loosing millions of people's personal information in databases is an abusive use.
A GOOD computerized voting system, with adequate checks and balances, is safer, and more effective.
Right, so how is 99 percent of the votes counted in secret on computers controlled by government insiders and vendors safer? It might be more effective, granted, if your stealing the election.
Instead of smoking your bushel of pot and playing World or Warcraft in YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT, you should watch the following video.
Furthermore, you jam your shit into one giant un-formatted junk thread, without the slightest intent of emphasis, completely ignoring points I bring up. If it were not for the fact that some people actually believe your fascist propaganda you wouldn't be worth me wasting my time.
First, you already blew off CIA as CIA, so now you want to change it to Computer Information Assurance or some such nonsense, but you already gave the impression "The Company."
Either way, anyone with a head on their shoulders can decide who is right and who is wrong.
Computerized Voting is NOT the topic here, loss of your right to vote because of electronic vote tabulation devices is. Good luck showing us all how GRANDMA WHO VOLUNTEERS AS A POLL WORKER CAN SEE ELECTRONS. Let alone poll watchers.
IT PHYSICALLY CAN NOT BE DONE.
Regarding your "Policies and Procedures" is that where the White Van shows up and swaps the harddrives out or where they mail the fucking EEPROMS USPS and they disappear?
Quit dwelling on SOFTWARE, and go work with HARDWARE. Go make some chips. Go under the electron microscope and get back to me when you come to your senses.
Counting by hand worked pretty fucking well for 200 years!
The only place I see open source being used is for a device that prints a paper ballot to be hand counted.
Why you have to add on to that shit and tabulate electronically is because you are corrupt. There is no other explanation, knowing what you know. Even if the code was open the hardware is NOT VISIBLE TO THE HUMAN EYE, AND NEITHER IS THE ELECTRONIC SIGNAL.
The only school I graduated from was the school of hard knocks.
You language continually leaves a CRACK.
e.g. "and if need be, the paper ballots, which are accurate because they have been validated BY THE VOTER, can be hand counted if necessary."
Blagh... Voters don't validate shit most of the time.
And second, a ballot marking device isn't needed for folks that have two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears. It should only be used for the disabled to assist them to PRINT A GOD DAMN BALLOT.
I'm done wasting my posts on you.
YOUR WRONG. AND ANYONE READING THIS THREAD CAN SEE YOUR WRONG. Cum Laud all Ye Faithful
Go spend some time with fravia mammon etc. Get a grip on reality. I ain't here to fuck you around, I am here to put a stop to the BOHICA of our elections. Tell me you Grandma or a Poll watcher can see 1's and 0's and make sense of it and I got bridge you should invest in. Maybe you want to bid on my old textronix off eBay instead.
The difference between you and I is that I have NEVER had a complaint about the work I do. And I don't have a supervisor. I don't have rooms filled with technical manuals, chips, and parts for my publicity shot. I have them cause I know what the fuck I am talking about.
One more thing: You say, "I also guess you do not realize that making the program Open Source also protects against tampering. Since the code is open, it can be validated."
You still can't validate the DATA. And especially when someone in a White Van drives up and yanks the chip!
in the 19th century there was no need of fucking un-validatable electronics. A paper ballot with 100 Chain of Custody, and Public Oversight is all that was needed.
Fuck your fucking MSIA, and the drugged up CIA White Van it rode in on.
Your problem is that all you've been taught is from a book. Yet you still refuse to read the links I posted, therefore no honeypot is necessary to identify you. Your TROLL ACCOUNT is compromised. We already know who you are by your actions.
Fuck your Optical Scanners, DRE's, and electronic vote tabulation devices, and your bullshit. Ever since they were used they failed. EVERY TIME.
And if you did work for "the company" you shouldn't be anymore after admitting it publicly. Your compromised. Which also means your not learning from them anymore. And if you are you are a fucking MOLE!
I wouldn't hire you to design a fucking telemarketing network!
IDIOT.
And again, even if you do hold even one of the degrees you say you do, your not only corrupt your compromised.
Not the kind of "Oath" swearer I want around.
Oh "PLEASE STOP WITH THE BAD LANGUAGE" Wahh Wahh Wahh. Shut the fuck up and grow up motherfucker.
You really want to know what I want to be secure against? Motherfuckers like you who abuse electronics and technology to destroy the United States and it Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I want to secure against electronic signals being intercepted via hardware or software in our elections by ELIMINATING THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE.
The only thing that will make me confident is that some dimwit like you who compromised them self, is removed from ever working with anything our Government ever does ever again.
Yeah I bet you designed the electronic voter registration book too huh motherfucker!?
Better get your supervisor to bail your ass out on this thread.
MSIA from http://www.graduate.norwich.edu/infoassurance/ # Complete the program online without interrupting your personal or professional life # Earn your degree in as few as 18 months # Experience a learning model that combines relevant theory with real-world application for immediate results # Learn from an institution whose core values - challenge, rigor, structure and discipline - derive from the influence of a long and proud military history
18 MONTHS?
Fuck man I been working with electronics since the 1970's, this degree didn't even exist when I first started working on shit.
Well the good thing is you probably learned English better than me. But you know I could give a flying fuck. I want my country back.
Try working with hardware for years and years. Try spending a few years de-soldering the parts you need to build the shit you designed (not in a book) with a propane torch and choking on the fucking smoke. Try coming to a hardware system you never seen before and being able to fix it with no manual. Try fabricating chips, and learning that you can dope in back doors.
24 of 26 posts most nothing to do with electronic vote tabulation devices.
I say your a troll, a plant, propaganda to deceive.
I'll eat your MSIA for breakfast. You've already probably brought me your broken shit to get fixed!
WASHINGTON - A top House Republican on Tuesday called for Rep. Bob Ney to resign, days after the six-term GOP lawmaker agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges.
"He betrayed his constituents, he betrayed the body and there's no place for him in the Congress," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, the fourth-ranking Republican in the House.
Last week, Ney admitted improperly accepting tens of thousands of dollars worth of trips, meals, sports tickets and casino chips while trying to win favors for a disgraced Washington lobbyist and a foreign aviation company.
The Ohio congressman had defiantly denied any wrongdoing for months, but he reversed course and agreed to plead guilty in court papers filed Friday. Prosecutors will recommend he serve 27 months in prison.
Ney, who is under treatment for alcohol dependency, was expected to formally plead guilty in court Oct. 13.
Oh did I mention Bob Ney or Robert Ney (more accurately) introduced the Help America Vote Act of 2002, e.g. the still failed HAVA.
I use the noun "electronic vote tabulation device."
BIG DIFFERENCE.
And Paper Trail is pure fucking nonsense.
It's NEVER EVER EVER BEEN COUNTED 100%! EVER. And it might as well be TOILET PAPER because with an "electronic vote tabulation device" can tell the printer to print anything the fascist programmer wants.
Let's not forget that it's TOO LATE to roll what your talking about out for 2008.
Your simply dreaming.
If you really want to be an open source advocate, design one box for each polling precinct that "assists the disabled to print a paper ballot." Paper ballots that then follow an 100% unbroken chain of custody with public oversight 100%.
In case you forgot clarify, HAVA, 'The help America Vote Act of 2002' was authored by Bob Ney (you remember Bob don't ya? WASHINGTON â" A top House Republican on Tuesday called for Rep. Bob Ney to resign, days after the six-term GOP lawmaker agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges. Small world huh..)
Continuing... HAVA, Never specified that we all needed to have "electronic vote tabulation devices." e.g. all these Optical Scanners are a cover for rigging the vote. And again I remind you that NEVER EVER HAVE PAPER BALLOTS been COUNTED 100% when there is some failure.
Where failure= glitch, burp, human error, burned up device
Problem is even to this day DRE's that assist the voter to mark a ballot are fucked up, even the Automark failed. Ask Brad Friedman about how they fucked up four votes for him.
Okay, so now you rant troll shit about the CIA? The CIA shouldn't have a fucking thing to do with PUBLIC OVERSIGHT!!! I call your bluff, RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
I bet you don't even know basic electronics, programming, or common sense physics, because if you DO, then you are spreading fascist propaganda. I've listed *some* resources, you say you did a lot of research on the subject. BULLSHIT. otherwise you'd come to the same conclusion as myself. You probably don't even know Basic LOGIC.
You don't use the right language when describing specific parts of a system, or hierarchy, next larger assembly is all you preach. Your fucking MSIA doesn't mean shit. I don't have ANY FUCKING DEGREE yet I have been working with, testing, designing and repairing electronics and furthermore programming for more than 10 years. Your degree doesn't mean a fucking thing.
I'll say it again, if you really want to help, then fight against "electronic vote tabulation devices" and instead if your so open source (I don't see how with an MSIA) advocate then design a device that assists the disabled to PRINT A FUCKING PAPER BALLOT that get's hand counted, 100% chain of custody, 100% public oversight.
Absolutely agreed. You get it 100% Blood on their hands.
Meanwhile, Hit your local fascist tv station's public file with your comments. (Make an appointment if you need to.)
Protest at the NETWORK STATION. Not at the Whitehouse.
Write the FCC and complain.
Support Greg Palast's effort.
Support Public Access TV.
Produce your own show.
Defend the NET against data caps, port locks, packet manipulation, censorship, bad TOS/AUP's, TOR, and crappy ISP's that dump newsgroups. (This is definitely the next target!)
A cyber troll like you can win though by spreading fascist propaganda and completely confusing the issue.
Fact. The software has been manipulated to rig elections. (open source ain't going to help)
Fact. The hardware can be specially crafted to rig elections. (open source ain't going to help)
Fact. Paper ballots with an unbroken chain of custody and public oversight are secure. While ANY "electronic vote tabulation device" programmed by some fascist corporate programmer in secret is not.
We have been playing it your way.
Your way has destroyed America, it's Constitution, bill of rights, balance of power, economy and deaths of our military.
There's no such thing as a verifiable "electronic vote tabulation device" and never will be.
It's impossible because the public (as in public oversight and chain of custody) can not validate electrons. They can not validate electrons because they can not see electrons.
So your not only WRONG about it being EASY, your wrong because it is IMPOSSIBLE because of PHYSICS.
Open source is great, but electronic vote tabulation devices DO NOT BELONG IN ELECTIONS, it is ABUSIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN NEVER BE SECURE.
The last time I checked on HR 811, it had gaping holes in it. So maybe the Slashdot submitter can tell us all what's changed? Or is the original submitter just doing a propaganda spin test bubble for the uninitiated?
Holes, that allowed electronic tabulation devices to manipulate votes in secret. Holes that prevent public oversight.
But, I've noticed on Slashdot, that everyone's so god damn pro OPEN SOURCE (which I like opensource don't get me wrong.), that they don't have their heads screwed on right when it comes to elections, and are too easily manipulated by suggestion of test bubble fascist propaganda.
Using electronic vote tabulation devices
--REGARDLESS OF THE FUCKING OPERATING SYSTEM IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK.
And you word and punctuation nazi's...Don't talk to me about shouting in all caps, I typed it that way on purpose fucking READ IT! Start fucking listening! Even the USAF is worried about specially crafted chips (at the doping level.) We no longer have time to teach idiots about this shit we need to get rid of it by outlawing it. I fucking been shouting about this for several fucking years now, and watched the whole Constitution, Economy, and DEATHS because of these MOTHERFUCKING ELECTRONIC VOTE TABULATION DEVICES. These manufactures of this shit are domestic terrorists by proxy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now WAKE THE FUCK UP!
Electronic vote tabulation devices do not belong in elections, it is an abusive use of technology. If you can't understand that then you are corrupt. Especially if you call yourself a technician, sysad, programmer, or hardware manufacture. The only possible way you would disagree is if you are a troll for the fascist corporations who have stolen our motherfucking right to vote!
I don't see how this will work on myspace with only ten characters for a password.
This whole openID thing sounds like centralization of passwords and private information, and behind the scenes the linking of user X, Y, Z from site A, B, C.
Roll the damn thing out if you must, but make it clear somewhere EARLY that it's linked to other accounts. It might be better to not register.
But then you all know I had to comment on this with a cool handle like myspace-cn before the Chinese firewall comes after me to put me to death for all my hard core death/black metal myspace accounts.
And here in California, when you register to vote, you fill out a form at the post office, and....wait for it...you mail it to the Secretary Of State.
Clearly it doesn't apply to "anything you send by mail."
Don't lecture me about emphasizing words. You can't grasp the simple fact that we are talking about electronic vote tabulation devices inside the United States of America's elections. The only thing that needs to be steer, is the manure you spread by acting like a drunken cyber-warfare Buddha.
You have forgotten REAL ID has changed things--a lot!
Maybe it's possible to get a fake ID, but not a REAL ID.
Without a REAL ID it's not "soo freakin easy."
Let's also remember that hundreds of thousands of people don't even have an ID. I personally didn't have an ID for over 10 years.
So your not only debunked via real journalism, your also debunked by my first hand knowledge of the matter.
Born before birth certificates? Are you serious?
My great grandfather was born in 1830's... in the middle of a BFE Texas settlement. There were less than 1000 people in the entire western state at that time.
He's got a birth certificate. Can you believe it?
AND... if you don't have a birth certificate - you can actually get one made by the state (varies by requirements... but it's certainly possible!!)
You don't even need a birth certificate to register to vote usually... just a social security number!!
Getting a voter registration requires a SSN and a signature... not money. Hell, you can register at the library, the county courthouse, nearly any election office or political official's office, the DMV.
The point it - get registered to vote. It's soo freakin easy.
Not possible with specially crafted chips, or chain of custody that travels hundreds of miles an hour down the road.
What isn't possible? Election fraud?
Election fraud is possible with specially crafted chips and a broken chain of custody.
Even IF election fraud (not to be confused with the negligible voter fraud fake problem to cleanse the vote registration) is detected, they still have no power to stop it, or stop the candidate from being sworn in.
Well, then what's the bloody point of an election? And who's "they" (as in they still have no power...)? If there's a real issue of election fraud, you'd better believe that the people who got shafted are going to call for an inquiry, get the legal system involved, etc...
First off "they" is citizen oversight. Your really not up to speed here, not much time left to catch "people like you" up; before you get screwed again by the next election. (how do you like that shitty syntax!?)
Secondly, The Legal System failed completely in the CA 50 where they did exactly that.
Yet still, "Bilbray was sworn in, with the intent that thereafter any and all actions taken by anybody would be void and without force and effect, due to the "exclusive jurisdiction" of the House concerning the Qualifications of its Members." (hat tip to Emily Levy at Bradblog)
In short your full of shit.
Am I full of shit? I don't think so, but that's your opinion. It's my opinion that you didn't really give this post too much thought, as is evident by your rambling, incoherent sentences, and blatant error in your last sentence, indicating your inability or unwillingness to proofread.
Now that you are completely debunked.
All you can do is sit there like a meth addicted drunken psychotic cyber-warfare Buddha (filled with SHIT) and do is attack my fucked up writing style, because of your unwillingness to seek the TRUTH...
YOUR Welcome to Shut The Fuck Up now, or make it worse.
We're on the same page I think. The only thing I would add is if computer assisted voting tool's are allowed, they are to be considered a special circumstance, and not depended on for ALL PAPER BALLOTS to be PRINTED. In other words you only get to use it if you don't have hands, or eyes, etc. If you can manually fill out a paper ballot on your own this is the method used. Don't ask me where to draw the line, if it's that much of a question of drawing a line, then perhaps the disabled (not our fault they are disabled) needs to vote early, or at a specially controlled location with 24/7 citizen oversight and accuracy testing. e.g. testing to make sure the machine prints correctly.
Then, no OP SCAN counting. That shit just get's us right back to unvalidatable electronic vote tabulation devices that ALWAYS seem to have an OOPS over and over, fuck the reason why there's an OOPS, an OOPS is a FAILURE, and that means the election was tampered with.
Furthermore, the PAPER BALLOT that is PRINTED from such a machine, will be counted the SAME as any PAPER BALLOT that was manually created. And of course, something must be done to protect the Chain Of Custody, where citizen oversight has some bite, as opposed to the way it is now where Ren and Skimpy are jamming down the road 95+ MPH with a cop escort, or the ballots are alone with some bullshit official who's used law enforcement to clear the building to everyone except his cronies.
Think along the lines of Zorro. (IF you ain't seen Zorro go watch it) Where Zorro, protects the ballot box via guns and fights. I ain't saying we need guns and fights, but the principles of oversight have been lost due to ass-backwards laws and red tape.
Not when your evading the chain of custody, then is when you want Sheriff Beuford T Justice to declare an terrorist emergency and fuck with (I mean manipulate the votes)
Completely a bullshit fabrication. The ebay seller that "TRIED" to auction his vote was canceled, even if he did successfully sell his vote, nobody could validate it.
Furthermore, if a voter can't "sell" his ballot then why do we allow Senators to be lobbied?
For the disabled, either show up and help them vote or let them vote early on un-networked, highly audited, hardware controlled electronic vote PRINTING devices. (not to be confused with electronic vote tabulation devices)
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You love to use the noun "electronic voting."
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You love to use the verb "electronic voting."
Then name yourself. Show us your website, or contact, or some work. If you can't do that, you are clearly the fascist propagandist I say you are
No, but you did give the initial appearance that you were. You tossed out an acronym that you didn't specify on first use, I have already figured out one out of two of your acronyms -- the MSIA. You spout off saying you have a MSIA, quickly tracking that acronym down points to a website that is "military oriented" and has a fucking "nsa approved" emblem on it, furthermore the actual class is only 18 months. So yeah I missed that. Unlike you I admit when I am wrong. But if you hadn't thrown deceptive acronyms in without defining that we wouldn't be off topic discussing this nonsense.
I don't have a degree, I never claimed one. Not that I didn't go to college.
You might have several degrees but don't know what the fuck your talking about when it comes to electronic vote tabulation devices.
Technology by itself, isn't good or bad, how it's used makes it good or abusive.
Microwaving crowds is abusive
Counting ballots electronically in secret without public oversight is abusive. (And No, watching the outside of a sheetmetal box with electronic tabulation devices inside is not public oversight)
Wiretapping without a warrant is abusive.
Loosing millions of people's personal information in databases is an abusive use.
Right, so how is 99 percent of the votes counted in secret on computers controlled by government insiders and vendors safer? It might be more effective, granted, if your stealing the election.
Instead of smoking your bushel of pot and playing World or Warcraft in YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT, you should watch the following video.
Furthermore, you jam your shit into one giant un-formatted junk thread, without the slightest intent of emphasis, completely ignoring points I bring up. If it were not for the fact that some people actually believe your fascist propaganda you wouldn't be worth me wasting my time.
First, you already blew off CIA as CIA, so now you want to change it to Computer Information Assurance or some such nonsense, but you already gave the impression "The Company."
Either way, anyone with a head on their shoulders can decide who is right and who is wrong.
Computerized Voting is NOT the topic here, loss of your right to vote because of electronic vote tabulation devices is. Good luck showing us all how GRANDMA WHO VOLUNTEERS AS A POLL WORKER CAN SEE ELECTRONS. Let alone poll watchers.
IT PHYSICALLY CAN NOT BE DONE.
Regarding your "Policies and Procedures" is that where the White Van shows up and swaps the harddrives out or where they mail the fucking EEPROMS USPS and they disappear?
Quit dwelling on SOFTWARE, and go work with HARDWARE. Go make some chips. Go under the electron microscope and get back to me when you come to your senses.
Counting by hand worked pretty fucking well for 200 years!
The only place I see open source being used is for a device that prints a paper ballot to be hand counted.
Why you have to add on to that shit and tabulate electronically is because you are corrupt. There is no other explanation, knowing what you know.
Even if the code was open the hardware is NOT VISIBLE TO THE HUMAN EYE, AND NEITHER IS THE ELECTRONIC SIGNAL.
The only school I graduated from was the school of hard knocks.
You language continually leaves a CRACK.
e.g. "and if need be, the paper ballots, which are accurate because they have been validated BY THE VOTER, can be hand counted if necessary."
Blagh... Voters don't validate shit most of the time.
And second, a ballot marking device isn't needed for folks that have two arms, two legs, two eyes, two ears. It should only be used for the disabled to assist them to PRINT A GOD DAMN BALLOT.
I'm done wasting my posts on you.
YOUR WRONG. AND ANYONE READING THIS THREAD CAN SEE YOUR WRONG. Cum Laud all Ye Faithful
Go spend some time with fravia mammon etc. Get a grip on reality. I ain't here to fuck you around, I am here to put a stop to the BOHICA of our elections. Tell me you Grandma or a Poll watcher can see 1's and 0's and make sense of it and I got bridge you should invest in. Maybe you want to bid on my old textronix off eBay instead.
The difference between you and I is that I have NEVER had a complaint about the work I do. And I don't have a supervisor. I don't have rooms filled with technical manuals, chips, and parts for my publicity shot. I have them cause I know what the fuck I am talking about.
One more thing: You say, "I also guess you do not realize that making the program Open Source also protects against tampering. Since the code is open, it can be validated."
You still can't validate the DATA. And especially when someone in a White Van drives up and yanks the chip!
in the 19th century there was no need of fucking un-validatable electronics. A paper ballot with 100 Chain of Custody, and Public Oversight is all that was needed.
Fuck your fucking MSIA, and the drugged up CIA White Van it rode in on.
Your problem is that all you've been taught is from a book. Yet you still refuse to read the links I posted, therefore no honeypot is necessary to identify you. Your TROLL ACCOUNT is compromised. We already know who you are by your actions.
Fuck your Optical Scanners, DRE's, and electronic vote tabulation devices, and your bullshit. Ever since they were used they failed. EVERY TIME.
And if you did work for "the company" you shouldn't be anymore after admitting it publicly. Your compromised. Which also means your not learning from them anymore. And if you are you are a fucking MOLE!
I wouldn't hire you to design a fucking telemarketing network!
IDIOT.
And again, even if you do hold even one of the degrees you say you do, your not only corrupt your compromised.
Not the kind of "Oath" swearer I want around.
Oh "PLEASE STOP WITH THE BAD LANGUAGE" Wahh Wahh Wahh. Shut the fuck up and grow up motherfucker.
You really want to know what I want to be secure against? Motherfuckers like you who abuse electronics and technology to destroy the United States and it Constitution and Bill of Rights.
I want to secure against electronic signals being intercepted via hardware or software in our elections by ELIMINATING THAT SHIT IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE.
The only thing that will make me confident is that some dimwit like you who compromised them self, is removed from ever working with anything our Government ever does ever again.
Yeah I bet you designed the electronic voter registration book too huh motherfucker!?
Better get your supervisor to bail your ass out on this thread.
Oh that's right YOU CAN'T!
MSIA from http://www.graduate.norwich.edu/infoassurance/
# Complete the program online without interrupting your personal or professional life
# Earn your degree in as few as 18 months
# Experience a learning model that combines relevant theory with real-world application for immediate results
# Learn from an institution whose core values - challenge, rigor, structure and discipline - derive from the influence of a long and proud military history
18 MONTHS?
Fuck man I been working with electronics since the 1970's, this degree didn't even exist when I first started working on shit.
Well the good thing is you probably learned English better than me. But you know I could give a flying fuck. I want my country back.
Try working with hardware for years and years. Try spending a few years de-soldering the parts you need to build the shit you designed (not in a book) with a propane torch and choking on the fucking smoke. Try coming to a hardware system you never seen before and being able to fix it with no manual. Try fabricating chips, and learning that you can dope in back doors.
24 of 26 posts most nothing to do with electronic vote tabulation devices.
I say your a troll, a plant, propaganda to deceive.
I'll eat your MSIA for breakfast. You've already probably brought me your broken shit to get fixed!
Spelling Correction ...
Party B: Bob Ney
WASHINGTON - A top House Republican on Tuesday called for Rep. Bob Ney to resign, days after the six-term GOP lawmaker agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges.
"He betrayed his constituents, he betrayed the body and there's no place for him in the Congress," said Rep. Deborah Pryce, the fourth-ranking Republican in the House.
Last week, Ney admitted improperly accepting tens of thousands of dollars worth of trips, meals, sports tickets and casino chips while trying to win favors for a disgraced Washington lobbyist and a foreign aviation company.
The Ohio congressman had defiantly denied any wrongdoing for months, but he reversed course and agreed to plead guilty in court papers filed Friday. Prosecutors will recommend he serve 27 months in prison.
Ney, who is under treatment for alcohol dependency, was expected to formally plead guilty in court Oct. 13.
Oh did I mention Bob Ney or Robert Ney (more accurately) introduced the Help America Vote Act of 2002, e.g. the still failed HAVA.
WRONG.
You love to use the noun "electronic voting."
I use the noun "electronic vote tabulation device."
BIG DIFFERENCE.
And Paper Trail is pure fucking nonsense.
It's NEVER EVER EVER BEEN COUNTED 100%! EVER. And it might as well be TOILET PAPER because with an "electronic vote tabulation device" can tell the printer to print anything the fascist programmer wants.
Let's not forget that it's TOO LATE to roll what your talking about out for 2008.
Your simply dreaming.
If you really want to be an open source advocate, design one box for each polling precinct that "assists the disabled to print a paper ballot."
Paper ballots that then follow an 100% unbroken chain of custody with public oversight 100%.
In case you forgot clarify, HAVA, 'The help America Vote Act of 2002' was authored by Bob Ney
(you remember Bob don't ya? WASHINGTON â" A top House Republican on Tuesday called for Rep. Bob Ney to resign, days after the six-term GOP lawmaker agreed to plead guilty to federal corruption charges. Small world huh..)
Continuing... HAVA, Never specified that we all needed to have "electronic vote tabulation devices." e.g. all these Optical Scanners are a cover for rigging the vote. And again I remind you that NEVER EVER HAVE PAPER BALLOTS been COUNTED 100% when there is some failure.
Where failure= glitch, burp, human error, burned up device
Problem is even to this day DRE's that assist the voter to mark a ballot are fucked up, even the Automark failed. Ask Brad Friedman about how they fucked up four votes for him.
Okay, so now you rant troll shit about the CIA? The CIA shouldn't have a fucking thing to do with PUBLIC OVERSIGHT!!!
I call your bluff, RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW.
I bet you don't even know basic electronics, programming, or common sense physics, because if you DO, then you are spreading fascist propaganda. I've listed *some* resources, you say you did a lot of research on the subject. BULLSHIT. otherwise you'd come to the same conclusion as myself. You probably don't even know Basic LOGIC.
You don't use the right language when describing specific parts of a system, or hierarchy, next larger assembly is all you preach. Your fucking MSIA doesn't mean shit. I don't have ANY FUCKING DEGREE yet I have been working with, testing, designing and repairing electronics and furthermore programming for more than 10 years. Your degree doesn't mean a fucking thing.
I'll say it again, if you really want to help, then fight against "electronic vote tabulation devices" and instead if your so open source (I don't see how with an MSIA) advocate then design a device that assists the disabled to PRINT A FUCKING PAPER BALLOT that get's hand counted, 100% chain of custody, 100% public oversight.
Absolutely agreed.
You get it 100%
Blood on their hands.
Meanwhile, Hit your local fascist tv station's public file with your comments. (Make an appointment if you need to.)
Protest at the NETWORK STATION. Not at the Whitehouse.
Write the FCC and complain.
Support Greg Palast's effort.
Support Public Access TV.
Produce your own show.
Defend the NET against data caps, port locks, packet manipulation, censorship, bad TOS/AUP's, TOR, and crappy ISP's that dump newsgroups.
(This is definitely the next target!)
A cyber troll like you can win though by spreading fascist propaganda and completely confusing the issue.
Fact. The software has been manipulated to rig elections. (open source ain't going to help)
Fact. The hardware can be specially crafted to rig elections. (open source ain't going to help)
Fact. Paper ballots with an unbroken chain of custody and public oversight are secure. While ANY "electronic vote tabulation device" programmed by some fascist corporate programmer in secret is not.
We have been playing it your way.
Your way has destroyed America, it's Constitution, bill of rights, balance of power, economy and deaths of our military.
the Holt Bill HR 811 SUCKS DONKEY DICK.
There's no such thing as a verifiable "electronic vote tabulation device" and never will be.
It's impossible because the public (as in public oversight and chain of custody) can not validate electrons. They can not validate electrons because they can not see electrons.
So your not only WRONG about it being EASY, your wrong because it is IMPOSSIBLE because of PHYSICS.
Open source is great, but electronic vote tabulation devices DO NOT BELONG IN ELECTIONS, it is ABUSIVE TECHNOLOGY THAT CAN NEVER BE SECURE.
The last time I checked on HR 811, it had gaping holes in it. So maybe the Slashdot submitter can tell us all what's changed? Or is the original submitter just doing a propaganda spin test bubble for the uninitiated?
Holes, that allowed electronic tabulation devices to manipulate votes in secret. Holes that prevent public oversight.
But, I've noticed on Slashdot, that everyone's so god damn pro OPEN SOURCE (which I like opensource don't get me wrong.), that they don't have their heads screwed on right when it comes to elections, and are too easily manipulated by suggestion of test bubble fascist propaganda.
Using electronic vote tabulation devices
--REGARDLESS OF THE FUCKING OPERATING SYSTEM IS A NATIONAL SECURITY RISK.
The HARDWARE can be SPECIALLY CRAFTED!
And as has already been SHOWN, THE SOFTWARE WAS MANIPULATED TO RIG ELECTIONS. (hit http://bradblog.com/ and http://blackboxvoting.org/ for you with the SHORT MEMORY SPAN)
And you word and punctuation nazi's...Don't talk to me about shouting in all caps, I typed it that way on purpose fucking READ IT! Start fucking listening! Even the USAF is worried about specially crafted chips (at the doping level.) We no longer have time to teach idiots about this shit we need to get rid of it by outlawing it. I fucking been shouting about this for several fucking years now, and watched the whole Constitution, Economy, and DEATHS because of these MOTHERFUCKING ELECTRONIC VOTE TABULATION DEVICES. These manufactures of this shit are domestic terrorists by proxy!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now WAKE THE FUCK UP!
Electronic vote tabulation devices do not belong in elections, it is an abusive use of technology. If you can't understand that then you are corrupt. Especially if you call yourself a technician, sysad, programmer, or hardware manufacture. The only possible way you would disagree is if you are a troll for the fascist corporations who have stolen our motherfucking right to vote!
Thank god for mc and ztree
I don't see how this will work on myspace with only ten characters for a password.
This whole openID thing sounds like centralization of passwords and private information, and behind the scenes the linking of user X, Y, Z from site A, B, C.
Roll the damn thing out if you must, but make it clear somewhere EARLY that it's linked to other accounts. It might be better to not register.
But then you all know I had to comment on this with a cool handle like myspace-cn before the Chinese firewall comes after me to put me to death for all my hard core death/black metal myspace accounts.
Hydrogen on demand vehicles. Storing hydrogen in tanks is utter crap, the signature of corporate fascism and naysayers.
A HHO hydrogen on demand vehicle would change the world.
This isn't CANADA, it's the United States.
And here in California, when you register to vote, you fill out a form at the post office, and....wait for it...you mail it to the Secretary Of State.
Clearly it doesn't apply to "anything you send by mail."
Don't lecture me about emphasizing words. You can't grasp the simple fact that we are talking about electronic vote tabulation devices inside the United States of America's elections. The only thing that needs to be steer, is the manure you spread by acting like a drunken cyber-warfare Buddha.
Your propaganda ENDS HERE.
You have forgotten REAL ID has changed things--a lot!
Maybe it's possible to get a fake ID, but not a REAL ID.
Without a REAL ID it's not "soo freakin easy."
Let's also remember that hundreds of thousands of people don't even have an ID. I personally didn't have an ID for over 10 years.
So your not only debunked via real journalism, your also debunked by my first hand knowledge of the matter.
Born before birth certificates? Are you serious?
My great grandfather was born in 1830's... in the middle of a BFE Texas settlement. There were less than 1000 people in the entire western state at that time.
He's got a birth certificate. Can you believe it?
AND... if you don't have a birth certificate - you can actually get one made by the state (varies by requirements... but it's certainly possible!!)
You don't even need a birth certificate to register to vote usually... just a social security number!!
Getting a voter registration requires a SSN and a signature... not money. Hell, you can register at the library, the county courthouse, nearly any election office or political official's office, the DMV.
The point it - get registered to vote. It's soo freakin easy.
What isn't possible? Election fraud?
Election fraud is possible with specially crafted chips and a broken chain of custody.
Well, then what's the bloody point of an election? And who's "they" (as in they still have no power...)? If there's a real issue of election fraud, you'd better believe that the people who got shafted are going to call for an inquiry, get the legal system involved, etc...
First off "they" is citizen oversight. Your really not up to speed here, not much time left to catch "people like you" up; before you get screwed again by the next election. (how do you like that shitty syntax!?)
Secondly,
The Legal System failed completely in the CA 50 where they did exactly that.
Yet still, "Bilbray was sworn in, with the intent that thereafter any and all actions taken by anybody would be void and without force and effect, due to the "exclusive jurisdiction" of the House concerning the Qualifications of its Members." (hat tip to Emily Levy at Bradblog)
Am I full of shit? I don't think so, but that's your opinion. It's my opinion that you didn't really give this post too much thought, as is evident by your rambling, incoherent sentences, and blatant error in your last sentence, indicating your inability or unwillingness to proofread.
Now that you are completely debunked.
All you can do is sit there like a meth addicted drunken psychotic cyber-warfare Buddha (filled with SHIT) and do is attack my fucked up writing style, because of your unwillingness to seek the TRUTH...
YOUR Welcome to Shut The Fuck Up now, or make it worse.
Go fuck yourself and your stupid psychology games.
You are wrong PERIOD, the ACVR agenda to purposely obfuscate the definitions of "election fraud" and "voter fraud."
Election Fraud, relates to the electronics, the machines, and the officials.
Voter Fraud, relates to fake voters. Again, PROVEN TO BE NEGLIGIBLE.
This is so that VOTER ID + REAL ID can be used to stop people from voting. The whole steaming pile of crap started by severalrat-fuckers shill organization (a fucking mailbox) that was setup to spread propaganda.
So you can consider the phrase whatever way you want, you'll still be wrong.
Whether or not I am angry is just a symptom of the bullshit going on in the United States.
This Unconstitutional shit MUST be stopped.
We're on the same page I think. The only thing I would add is if computer assisted voting tool's are allowed, they are to be considered a special circumstance, and not depended on for ALL PAPER BALLOTS to be PRINTED. In other words you only get to use it if you don't have hands, or eyes, etc. If you can manually fill out a paper ballot on your own this is the method used. Don't ask me where to draw the line, if it's that much of a question of drawing a line, then perhaps the disabled (not our fault they are disabled) needs to vote early, or at a specially controlled location with 24/7 citizen oversight and accuracy testing. e.g. testing to make sure the machine prints correctly.
Then, no OP SCAN counting. That shit just get's us right back to unvalidatable electronic vote tabulation devices that ALWAYS seem to have an OOPS over and over, fuck the reason why there's an OOPS, an OOPS is a FAILURE, and that means the election was tampered with.
Furthermore, the PAPER BALLOT that is PRINTED from such a machine, will be counted the SAME as any PAPER BALLOT that was manually created. And of course, something must be done to protect the Chain Of Custody, where citizen oversight has some bite, as opposed to the way it is now where Ren and Skimpy are jamming down the road 95+ MPH with a cop escort, or the ballots are alone with some bullshit official who's used law enforcement to clear the building to everyone except his cronies.
Think along the lines of Zorro. (IF you ain't seen Zorro go watch it) Where Zorro, protects the ballot box via guns and fights. I ain't saying we need guns and fights, but the principles of oversight have been lost due to ass-backwards laws and red tape.
Your arguing the same point I am, did you not read where I said, "even if he did successfully sell his vote, nobody could validate it." I guess not?
The reason the vote is transparent, is that people could be easily threatened or killed if they voted a certain way.
Transparency, It's a good thing.
On the other hand electronic vote tabulation devices are a BAD thing.
And Senators shouldn't be allowed to sell their vote either, that's why we just got FISA.
Hopefully your seeing the pattern of corruption now.
Not when your evading the chain of custody, then is when you want Sheriff Beuford T Justice to declare an terrorist emergency and fuck with (I mean manipulate the votes)
Completely a bullshit fabrication. The ebay seller that "TRIED" to auction his vote was canceled, even if he did successfully sell his vote, nobody could validate it.
Furthermore, if a voter can't "sell" his ballot then why do we allow Senators to be lobbied?
Humans can't see ENCRYPTION, humans can't validate encryption because they can't SEE the electrons.
Encryption has no place in our elections, it's a further abuse of technology.
Exactly!
MOD UP, this guy get's it!!!
Vote in the SUNLIGHT with NO ELECTRICITY.
For the disabled, either show up and help them vote or let them vote early on un-networked, highly audited, hardware controlled electronic vote PRINTING devices. (not to be confused with electronic vote tabulation devices)
Full Disclosure: You worked for Sequoia? What did you do exactly?