The current slew of voting shitdoms almost ALL of them HAVE DRE/Optical scan.
Optical scan is not safe. DRE is not safe.
(We need something for the disabled to vote though) so DRE printing a paper ballot would be the obvious choice here. But NOT DRE printing paper ballots for ALL voters.
Optical scan should be outlawed.
Let's compare the electronic output of a DRE to the electronic output of an OP SCAN? I don't fuckin think so.
You can't SEE either signal. You can't validate either signal.
Avi Rubin is totally full of shit on his pro electronic vote tabulation device stance. We agree there. But don't bring fucking racism into this. By doing that you lost the argument before you began.
Your argument has been proven as complete fucking bullshit. Election fraud is not the same as Voter fraud. Election fraud is rampant, voter fraud is not. Although voter caging is. Voter caging is where your name is scrubbed from the voter registration roll.
electronics by the nature of physics can not be audited, on that we agree.
Nobody is going to execute people who rig elections. People that rig elections get away with it, or get a slap on the wrist, meanwhile the RIGGED ELECTION allows for the corrupt candidate to be sworn in and assume power.
Executing people won't stop that shit now will it.
Not possible with specially crafted chips, or chain of custody that travels hundreds of miles an hour down the road.
Even IF election fraud (not to be confused with the negligible voter fraud fake problem to cleanse the vote registration) is detected, they still have no power to stop it, or stop the candidate from being sworn in.
Full Disclosure: Your a presiding judge? What precint, City?
And I would have to say. multiple people, no matter how many can not see invisible electronics signals. Or specially crafted chips at the doping level.
But not specially crafted chips (at the doping level)
Although, you are correct, there are problems STILL with maintaining a proper chain of custody, and not having authority to enforce it against law enforcement.
Yeah paper voting is different, you don't have the potential for specially crafted chips (at the doping level) you don't have the problem of invisible signals (to the human eye) you don't have the problem of trying to do a re-count when your chip is fried. You don't have the problem of trying to do a re-count, when the original data was intermittent. Paper doesn't have virus's. Paper doesn't allow the fascist corporate media to speculate on a winner before everyone has voted.
Teach them to SEE invisible electricity, and specially crafted chips at the doping level, Teach them to see broken chain of custody?
Where's the action? When a chain of custody is broken, what power does an observer have?
Oh that's right they have the power to watch the fuck fast-tracked onto a jet to get sworn in before the votes are even counted. (like in San Diego)
Oh that's right they have the right to watch people turned away that don't have a drivers license because they were born before there were birth certificates, and without that no drivers license, no passport, without that no ID, with no ID no vote registration. No passport no Birth Certificate, no ID no passport, no drivers license no Birth certificate.
Teach them to monitor things like STOLEN EEPROMS.
Teach them to monitor things like electronic vote tabulation device failures that are invisible (just because the parts are shit, or other reasons.)
Teach them not to use the mini-bar key.
Teach them to use an electron microscope and destructive reverse engineering, to search for specially crafted logic inside of chips.
Teach them to stop the local DHS from declaring a fake emergency to count ballots in secret.
Teach them to stop caging lists.
Teach them to inspect, and reverse engineer every inch of every wire, cap, transistor, coil from point a across thousands of miles to point b to make sure there's no man in the middle attack.
Teach them to CUT the NSA's FIOS splitter from accessing, and potentially manipulating data.
Teach them to get failures broadcast on the fascist media so the public is actually informed.
Teach them the cost of electing the wrong candidate.
You don't get it because this voting system is designed for you not to SEE IT.
I specially crafted the chips (at the doping level) with a backdoor. So your stupid fucking software can do and print anything it wants, the actually COUNT will be what I say.
Let's not even get into how fucking retarded allowing a NETWORK into this whole loop is.
Now instead of putting words in my mouth your interpreting nonsense and linking it back.
"TV networks aren't controlled by some vast conspiracy."
Yes they are. Even the Wiki Entry is now being disputed because of this nonsense. Of course you could compare that to the Media Bias in the USA article, but I call it the way it is, it's fascism, it's corporate fascism, and it's fascist propaganda.
Second of all your talking to a veteran. Trying to tell me about this mythical success story in IRAQ is pure bullshit and won't work here.. You can simply go to cryptome.org and count the bodies if you want to play that game.
Third focusing on nonsense, and blacklisting important shit like electronic vote tabulation device rigging and failure is fascism, and that is not in the public's interest likePublic Access is.
Corporate Fascist which does not serve the public interest. Look up the ownership, I already gave you the definition if you choose to read the background, you go a long way to "getting it."
So yes they are controlled by a conspiracy, and yes they have been used for propaganda recently, and yes they are destroying our country by enabling fascism, and not doing investigative journalism.
But you'll manage to get a +2 out of this conversation somewhere I am sure.
While at the same time, I really don't give a fuck what you or anyone thinks.
how does the HD switchover, in any way whatsoever, limit people's ability to broadcast on the internet?
First I must correct you as (the fine folks here on/. have corrected me. It's not a switch to HD, it's a switch to Digital TV. -- my bad, I get it already.)
Now that were on the same page, as people start working with HD the size of the data will increase. Just ask NFL football. They had the giant expose at NAB.
Back to the data caps , if you think that working with video and collaborating is small it's not. I nearly threw up when I realized how much data we were talking about. I come from a humble fidonet background. I remember "quoting too much" as being annoying behavior, and now were all talking about terabytes and beyond.
Working and transitioning to DTV it's going to be worse. Some people will be forced to convert to all HD for reason's other than what you simply see here. So I guess they can spend lots of time transcoding formats. That's always fun. I like to transcode when I am trying to get a message out fast.
But you see, the fascist corporate media doesn't have this problem. Which makes them more than a person.
p2p is also under attack. Have you ever tried p2p tv? If the attack on that is successful, there goes another bit.
See it's not that a DTV switch over by itself is inherently evil, it's all these little things.
Seven years ago, I would never have thought that the whole US Constitution would be decimated.
So going with your ideas here, and stepping back a bit, let's enter the world oil cost problem.
Now one would think with oil driving up the cost of food and everything else, we would be focused on alternatives, one of those alternatives should be a blazing speed bottomless pit access point. Encouraging telecommuting, and in general doing a hell of a lot more business on the web instead of driving around, chopping down trees for paper to be mailed and waste more.
But instead of kicking out hell of infrastructure on communications, we going to what?
That's right, cap your data. And Snoop on your data.
So this way you can be both safe and controlled.
Extra bonus points for putting together the rest of my "Tin-Hat theory", the possibility that having a bandwidth cap, also guarantees that anyone snooping on your data now has limits and numbers they can use to make sure they read every drop in time for supper.
And finally I quote you,
"So now, capping the bandwidth at nearly a terrabyte per person is not effectively stopping the flow of "alternate" information."
It is stopping the flow of alternative information, when compared to the money and power and force that fascist corporate media has.
And finally a question, "Why would you put fascist corporate propaganda above that of the truth?"
Is it cause they have better transitions and effects? Just asking man...
So in a 24 hour day you can cover 3 hours of world events, and collaborate with one person. Or cover 2 hours and hope you streaming content doesn't get DDoS'd.
Don't put words in my mouth, that's not what I said and you know it.
Alternative news does take up a lot of bandwidth. Care to pay the bill for democracy now? And yeah your right, we should be talking about Japan, as it is in fact a test by proxy. We can watch and analyze happens.
Try producing video. Try collaborating on a video production project. Try sending 13GB (1 hour) data on SD, then keep in mind that the goal is no more SD.
Slashdot Mirror
MOD UP!!!
For the Optical Scan wacko inside you.
http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/73/71732.html
Is this thread done.
Stick a fork in it?
The Pro-Electronics wackos going to lob more shit on or do I need to debunk every fucking thread?
The current slew of voting shitdoms almost ALL of them HAVE DRE/Optical scan.
Optical scan is not safe.
DRE is not safe.
(We need something for the disabled to vote though) so DRE printing a paper ballot would be the obvious choice here. But NOT DRE printing paper ballots for ALL voters.
Optical scan should be outlawed.
Let's compare the electronic output of a DRE to the electronic output of an OP SCAN? I don't fuckin think so.
You can't SEE either signal. You can't validate either signal.
You can validate a paper ballot though.
We are not in Brazil.
Does it?
Can you be sure your mail was delivered?
There are less "regular -old fashined- elections" (sic) than there are real high technology vote tabulation device elections..
When you specially craft the hardware, it doesn't matter what the programmer does.
Avi Rubin is totally full of shit on his pro electronic vote tabulation device stance. We agree there. But don't bring fucking racism into this. By doing that you lost the argument before you began.
Your argument has been proven as complete fucking bullshit. Election fraud is not the same as Voter fraud. Election fraud is rampant, voter fraud is not. Although voter caging is. Voter caging is where your name is scrubbed from the voter registration roll.
electronics by the nature of physics can not be audited, on that we agree.
Nobody is going to execute people who rig elections. People that rig elections get away with it, or get a slap on the wrist, meanwhile the RIGGED ELECTION allows for the corrupt candidate to be sworn in and assume power.
Executing people won't stop that shit now will it.
YOUR FULL OF SHIT.
Not possible with specially crafted chips, or chain of custody that travels hundreds of miles an hour down the road.
Even IF election fraud (not to be confused with the negligible voter fraud fake problem to cleanse the vote registration) is detected, they still have no power to stop it, or stop the candidate from being sworn in.
In short your full of shit.
Full Disclosure: Your a presiding judge? What precint, City?
And I would have to say. multiple people, no matter how many can not see invisible electronics signals. Or specially crafted chips at the doping level.
Unless you were born before BIRTH CERTIFICATES, or you have ZERO FUCKING INCOME.
A Simple way to fuck up the mail ballot, is to NOT DELIVER IT.
How will you know?
And if you know, what are you going to do about it.
Oh let's see, your going to do NOTHING.
And in the slim chance you do SOMETHING. or ANYTHING, what effect will it have on the election? NONE.
Your little claim that your MAIL-IN ballot was never delivered will not be grounds for a re-count, it will be just shoved aside.
Quit deluding yourselves.
Not only that. After the wrong candidate is sworn in, there is no RECOURSE.
Not only that. If you WANT a re-count, 100% you'll never get it. EVER.
Not true. Take vote caging. That was analysis of entire populations to target blacks, and democrats.
Conspiracy, absolutely.
But not specially crafted chips (at the doping level)
Although, you are correct, there are problems STILL with maintaining a proper chain of custody, and not having authority to enforce it against law enforcement.
Yeah paper voting is different, you don't have the potential for specially crafted chips (at the doping level) you don't have the problem of invisible signals (to the human eye) you don't have the problem of trying to do a re-count when your chip is fried. You don't have the problem of trying to do a re-count, when the original data was intermittent. Paper doesn't have virus's. Paper doesn't allow the fascist corporate media to speculate on a winner before everyone has voted.
Teach them to SEE invisible electricity, and specially crafted chips at the doping level, Teach them to see broken chain of custody?
Where's the action? When a chain of custody is broken, what power does an observer have?
Oh that's right they have the power to watch the fuck fast-tracked onto a jet to get sworn in before the votes are even counted. (like in San Diego)
Oh that's right they have the right to watch people turned away that don't have a drivers license because they were born before there were birth certificates, and without that no drivers license, no passport, without that no ID, with no ID no vote registration. No passport no Birth Certificate, no ID no passport, no drivers license no Birth certificate.
Teach them to monitor things like STOLEN EEPROMS.
Teach them to monitor things like electronic vote tabulation device failures that are invisible (just because the parts are shit, or other reasons.)
Teach them not to use the mini-bar key.
Teach them to use an electron microscope and destructive reverse engineering, to search for specially crafted logic inside of chips.
Teach them to stop the local DHS from declaring a fake emergency to count ballots in secret.
Teach them to stop caging lists.
Teach them to inspect, and reverse engineer every inch of every wire, cap, transistor, coil from point a across thousands of miles to point b to make sure there's no man in the middle attack.
Teach them to CUT the NSA's FIOS splitter from accessing, and potentially manipulating data.
Teach them to get failures broadcast on the fascist media so the public is actually informed.
Teach them the cost of electing the wrong candidate.
You don't get it because this voting system is designed for you not to SEE IT.
Except, one big problem.
I specially crafted the chips (at the doping level) with a backdoor. So your stupid fucking software can do and print anything it wants, the actually COUNT will be what I say.
Let's not even get into how fucking retarded allowing a NETWORK into this whole loop is.
To all you retarded pro e-voting wacko's.
You are aware of this document right? That was 2005.
http://www.acq.osd.mil/dsb/reports/2005-02-HPMS_Report_Final.pdf
You do understand that the USAF is very concerned about hardware hidden logic. Right? Red Team Blue Team
You do know that eeproms are FUCKING MISSING!!
Look idiots, it's not linux vs windows, it's not software only, it's HARDWARE at the doping level.
It's lots of money to grab power and the enabling bullshit fascist corporate media enablers who won't do the most basic of journalistic investigation.
These electronic vote tabulation devices are nothing but trouble, Avi Rubin is full of shit.
Wrong Wrong Wrong.
Now instead of putting words in my mouth your interpreting nonsense and linking it back.
"TV networks aren't controlled by some vast conspiracy."
Yes they are. Even the Wiki Entry is now being disputed because of this nonsense.
Of course you could compare that to the Media Bias in the USA article, but I call it the way it is, it's fascism, it's corporate fascism, and it's fascist propaganda.
Second of all your talking to a veteran.
Trying to tell me about this mythical success story in IRAQ is pure bullshit and won't work here.. You can simply go to cryptome.org and count the bodies if you want to play that game.
Third focusing on nonsense, and blacklisting important shit like electronic vote tabulation device rigging and failure is fascism, and that is not in the public's interest likePublic Access is.
Corporate Fascist which does not serve the public interest. Look up the ownership, I already gave you the definition if you choose to read the background, you go a long way to "getting it."
So yes they are controlled by a conspiracy, and yes they have been used for propaganda recently, and yes they are destroying our country by enabling fascism, and not doing investigative journalism.
But you'll manage to get a +2 out of this conversation somewhere I am sure.
While at the same time, I really don't give a fuck what you or anyone thinks.
how does the HD switchover, in any way whatsoever, limit people's ability to broadcast on the internet?
First I must correct you as (the fine folks here on /. have corrected me. It's not a switch to HD, it's a switch to Digital TV. -- my bad, I get it already.)
Now that were on the same page, as people start working with HD the size of the data will increase. Just ask NFL football. They had the giant expose at NAB.
Back to the data caps , if you think that working with video and collaborating is small it's not. I nearly threw up when I realized how much data we were talking about. I come from a humble fidonet background. I remember "quoting too much" as being annoying behavior, and now were all talking about terabytes and beyond.
Let's get to the meat.
Working and transitioning to DTV it's going to be worse. Some people will be forced to convert to all HD for reason's other than what you simply see here. So I guess they can spend lots of time transcoding formats. That's always fun. I like to transcode when I am trying to get a message out fast.
But you see, the fascist corporate media doesn't have this problem. Which makes them more than a person.
p2p is also under attack.Have you ever tried p2p tv? If the attack on that is successful, there goes another bit.
See it's not that a DTV switch over by itself is inherently evil, it's all these little things.
Seven years ago, I would never have thought that the whole US Constitution would be decimated.
But then here we are, here we are my friend.
So going with your ideas here, and stepping back a bit, let's enter the world oil cost problem.
Now one would think with oil driving up the cost of food and everything else, we would be focused on alternatives, one of those alternatives should be a blazing speed bottomless pit access point. Encouraging telecommuting, and in general doing a hell of a lot more business on the web instead of driving around, chopping down trees for paper to be mailed and waste more.
But instead of kicking out hell of infrastructure on communications, we going to what?
That's right, cap your data.
And Snoop on your data.
So this way you can be both safe and controlled.
Extra bonus points for putting together the rest of my "Tin-Hat theory", the possibility that having a bandwidth cap, also guarantees that anyone snooping on your data now has limits and numbers they can use to make sure they read every drop in time for supper.
And finally I quote you,
"So now, capping the bandwidth at nearly a terrabyte per person is not effectively stopping the flow of "alternate" information."
It is stopping the flow of alternative information, when compared to the money and power and force that fascist corporate media has.
And finally a question, "Why would you put fascist corporate propaganda above that of the truth?"
Is it cause they have better transitions and effects? Just asking man...
Really?
Let's see MiniDV NTSC SD video 1 Hour = 13GB
40 / 14 = 3 (rounded)
So in a 24 hour day you can cover 3 hours of world events, and collaborate with one person. Or cover 2 hours and hope you streaming content doesn't get DDoS'd.
Don't put words in my mouth, that's not what I said and you know it.
Alternative news does take up a lot of bandwidth. Care to pay the bill for democracy now? And yeah your right, we should be talking about Japan, as it is in fact a test by proxy. We can watch and analyze happens.
Try producing video. Try collaborating on a video production project. Try sending 13GB (1 hour) data on SD, then keep in mind that the goal is no more SD.
Who's crazy now?