A buggy driver or app should not bring down the system
Sorry to break this to you, but i can write (or modify) a Linux driver, compile it in, and have it crash the system wonderfully just as well.
I don't know how much you know about Operating Systems, but it's all to do with memory segmentation (Or lack thereof), and CPU privilage levels (Again, lack of). Neither NT nor Linux (On x86) uses either of these mechanisms, which mean that driver code and kernel code share the same memory space, and run at the same CPU level. This is why a bad driver can kill your kernel, and take down your system.
We as in the Open Source community. I'm not saying people should be forced to use YAOS (Yet Another Operating System), but at least the OSS community should have the choice.
Endless POSIX based Open Source Operating Systems is not
It worries me slighhtly that so many companies these days are focusing on Linux as the only alternative. Sure, this is great for Linux, but is it good for computer users in general? Bear with me here...
Out of all the available Operating Systems out there, how many are based on just two standards? There is Win32 (Windows 9x/ME, WinNT), and POSIX (All *nix variants, most BSD's, BeOS, QNX etc). Only two standards? Where is the choice? Where is the inovation?
It seems to me that all anyone is interested in is twisting and squeezing Linux into ever more bizarre and improbable situations (Linux on palm tops, Linux for embedded devices, Linux for games consoles etc.) Is the market stagnating, where no one dares break away from the pack and try something new for a change?
Maybe it's envy on my part, but why can't we have an Open Source project that isn't based around some form of Linux or a POSIX kernel? Is there any room for innovation in OSS these days?
What if you changed your thinking, and had a seperate cache for each process, in hardware? That way, whenever a context switch occures, you swap out the old cache, and swap in the new one. O.K, this would be horrendously expensive in hardware terms (How many tasks do you have running at the moment?), but would increase the overall cache size per process, and allow the hardware to detect low cache hits more effeciently.
Not too sure if this would make a big diference however.
OggVorbis isn't a player, it's a Codec. You can use the code to create tools & player plugins though. Plugins are available for XMMS and WinAMP last time i looked, a command line encoder is part of the tarball.
Bandwidth/data space costs have much more bearing on the price of your hosting than any choice of OS. Although i'm not saying it is a coincedence that a hosting company would choose to use a Free, secure, stable Operating System.
Bah, that just breaks an entire plot device in Terminator 2. If they don't need the gasmasks for the halon system in the office, the three wouldn't be able to take them and use them to avoid the teargas. Thanks a lot for shattering the illusion!
IOW: Dude, get a grip. `Til you know more just shut up.
FYI, i've been using Linux for over two years, and various BSD's long before that. I know my computers, especially my operating systems.
As for printers, if it is supported I find it is always very easy to set up the printer on Linux
How often have you installed a printer on Linux? How many years experience with Linux do you have?
Heres an idea. Sit two fairly computer illeterate people in front of a computer (I.E they can use a mouse/GUI comfortably, know what a computer is). Have one sit as a freshly installed Windows box, another on an iddentical Linux box. Now, ask them to set up a printer, and see which one can get it done first. I'd put lots of money on the Windows user getting there before the Linux user.
for installing software and the multiuser model in general: it's called (*)S E C U R I T Y(*).
Theres security that helps, then there is security that just gets in your way. Once you've taught your Granny how to install an RPM, try to explain to her one day why the directory permisions on her newly installed package are wrong, and why she needs to drop to a command line to edit that config file.
Nothing their kids can do either to damage the system without the root passwd, or delete their important files by accident, or read their email correspondence. They appreciate the feeling of safety a great deal.
You can do that without such fine grained UNIX style security. You don't need individual file permisions.
They also appreciate having a free firewall that can *S A F E L Y * masquerade an inexpensive home LAN...
Uh, yeah, i can't even count the number of times i've heard Joe A. User ask me how to do that
Please, just try to think from the point of view of an average, barely computer literate user, who doesn't care, or have the time, to have to learn any of this stuff.
What are you on about? Are you trying to tell me any other Open UNIX system (Various BSD's) and commercial UNIX cannot be maintained in the as well as Linux?
Do you really think Solaris is not as robust as Linux. What about TRU64? IRIX? Ever even heard of them?
I've seen some misinformed zealots in my time, but you are just amazing.
Strange, most of what you describe is MULTICS:) Bear in mind the x86 architecture is based heavily on MULTICS conventions, such as protection levels, the segmentation model, paging with segmentation, call gates etc. I believe EROS also relies heavily on these x86 features.
P.S: I'd apreciate it you'd check out my little project, link in above...
The mistake you've made in believing, is that Linux is based on Unix, and thus sucks. Honestly, you have the huge sucking leech of an Operating System, with an even hugger sucking leech of X, and a huge sucking leech of a WM (Gnome or KDE) Thats not a system Joe A. User likes the sound of...
Honestly, how many desktop "numbnuts" need multiple users and such fine-grained security? Do you really want to have to explain to them why they have to use a command line and "su" every time they want to install software, or why they have to use a horrible little package manager? How about explaining why they need to use a command line to compile a kernel to add in that driver they need? How about setting up a printer? I'll stop now, or i'll give you nightmares.
Linux & UNIX will never be suitable for the desktop, outside of Geek circles. Sorry, thats the reality IMHO.
Or Real Player/Encoder. The basic Real Producer & Real Server software is free to download and use. You'd need a fairly speedy box to run them both on though (Even for Audio, CPU & RAM usage is high), but it can do HTTP tunneling broadcasts if you happen to be behind a nasty firewall at work:)
I know exactly what you mean. There are so many adverts were they think they are being clever, using "teasers" and the such. Personally, they just fuck me off. I mean, if they want me to buy their product TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK IT IS! Don't fuck about, get to the point.
I have been known to avoid a product, because of it's god-awful advertising.
P.S: Many dotcoms fall into the "Think we're clever but we're not" catagory for advertising.
If thats the case, then Rambus Inc. have come of pretty well, while Intel are dead in the water to a tune of $400M. I can see some Intel suit's head rolling....
You paid to get in there didn't you? And you have to watch the adverts don't you? How is making your own copy any diferent from recording it from the TV?
Slashdot Mirror
During your corrispondance with Tesco, did you ever ask them why they want the information?
Is it a horrible conspiricy on their part, or is it just bad HTML?
A buggy driver or app should not bring down the system
Sorry to break this to you, but i can write (or modify) a Linux driver, compile it in, and have it crash the system wonderfully just as well.
I don't know how much you know about Operating Systems, but it's all to do with memory segmentation (Or lack thereof), and CPU privilage levels (Again, lack of). Neither NT nor Linux (On x86) uses either of these mechanisms, which mean that driver code and kernel code share the same memory space, and run at the same CPU level. This is why a bad driver can kill your kernel, and take down your system.
No, but there will be copper vats, hops and water. You have to make your own, but the source is all there.
Yup. I have time at work to post, but not enough time to hack. I try to hack when i have some spare time, which is rare. Damn :/
To define "we" more clearly:
We as in the Open Source community. I'm not saying people should be forced to use YAOS (Yet Another Operating System), but at least the OSS community should have the choice.
Endless POSIX based Open Source Operating Systems is not
Good too see i'm not the only one in this thread that thinks this way. Although i beat you to the argument first ;)
Honestly, i'd love to write my own, but i don't have the time to work on it full time. It's taken me long enough as it is...
It worries me slighhtly that so many companies these days are focusing on Linux as the only alternative. Sure, this is great for Linux, but is it good for computer users in general? Bear with me here...
Out of all the available Operating Systems out there, how many are based on just two standards? There is Win32 (Windows 9x/ME, WinNT), and POSIX (All *nix variants, most BSD's, BeOS, QNX etc). Only two standards? Where is the choice? Where is the inovation?
It seems to me that all anyone is interested in is twisting and squeezing Linux into ever more bizarre and improbable situations (Linux on palm tops, Linux for embedded devices, Linux for games consoles etc.) Is the market stagnating, where no one dares break away from the pack and try something new for a change?
Maybe it's envy on my part, but why can't we have an Open Source project that isn't based around some form of Linux or a POSIX kernel? Is there any room for innovation in OSS these days?
Just had to get that off my chest, sorry.
What if you changed your thinking, and had a seperate cache for each process, in hardware? That way, whenever a context switch occures, you swap out the old cache, and swap in the new one. O.K, this would be horrendously expensive in hardware terms (How many tasks do you have running at the moment?), but would increase the overall cache size per process, and allow the hardware to detect low cache hits more effeciently.
Not too sure if this would make a big diference however.
At least when you install it, it can't delete your current PPP scripts....;)
Goto the Vorbis website, read it, download the tarball and the XMMS/Winamp plugin. Compile. Install. Easy.
OggVorbis isn't a player, it's a Codec. You can use the code to create tools & player plugins though. Plugins are available for XMMS and WinAMP last time i looked, a command line encoder is part of the tarball.
I may as well do it before anyone else:
"Thats the great thing about standards, there are so many to choose from" : Andrew S Tananbuam (Sp?)
I thought exactly the same thing to be honest though.
Bandwidth/data space costs have much more bearing on the price of your hosting than any choice of OS. Although i'm not saying it is a coincedence that a hosting company would choose to use a Free, secure, stable Operating System.
Or, did they just outsource the hosting to the cheapest bidder, and this hosting company just happened to be running BSD? That seems much more likly.
How much memory? Anyone want to take bets on how long it takes a zealot to port Linux to it? Come on, you know someone will try it...
I'll tell you know, i wouldn't hire the consultant who made the quote to comment on the smell of my farts, let alone Sysadmin & Opsys....
Bah, that just breaks an entire plot device in Terminator 2. If they don't need the gasmasks for the halon system in the office, the three wouldn't be able to take them and use them to avoid the teargas. Thanks a lot for shattering the illusion!
Note: This was a joke
IOW: Dude, get a grip. `Til you know more just shut up.
FYI, i've been using Linux for over two years, and various BSD's long before that. I know my computers, especially my operating systems.
As for printers, if it is supported I find it is always very easy to set up the printer on Linux
How often have you installed a printer on Linux? How many years experience with Linux do you have?
Heres an idea. Sit two fairly computer illeterate people in front of a computer (I.E they can use a mouse/GUI comfortably, know what a computer is). Have one sit as a freshly installed Windows box, another on an iddentical Linux box. Now, ask them to set up a printer, and see which one can get it done first. I'd put lots of money on the Windows user getting there before the Linux user.
for installing software and the multiuser model in general: it's called (*)S E C U R I T Y(*).
Theres security that helps, then there is security that just gets in your way. Once you've taught your Granny how to install an RPM, try to explain to her one day why the directory permisions on her newly installed package are wrong, and why she needs to drop to a command line to edit that config file.
Nothing their kids can do either to damage the system without the root passwd, or delete their important files by accident, or read their email correspondence. They appreciate the feeling of safety a great deal.
You can do that without such fine grained UNIX style security. You don't need individual file permisions.
They also appreciate having a free firewall that can *S A F E L Y * masquerade an inexpensive home LAN...
Uh, yeah, i can't even count the number of times i've heard Joe A. User ask me how to do that
Please, just try to think from the point of view of an average, barely computer literate user, who doesn't care, or have the time, to have to learn any of this stuff.
What are you on about? Are you trying to tell me any other Open UNIX system (Various BSD's) and commercial UNIX cannot be maintained in the as well as Linux?
Do you really think Solaris is not as robust as Linux. What about TRU64? IRIX? Ever even heard of them?
I've seen some misinformed zealots in my time, but you are just amazing.
Strange, most of what you describe is MULTICS :) Bear in mind the x86 architecture is based heavily on MULTICS conventions, such as protection levels, the segmentation model, paging with segmentation, call gates etc. I believe EROS also relies heavily on these x86 features.
P.S: I'd apreciate it you'd check out my little project, link in above...
The mistake you've made in believing, is that Linux is based on Unix, and thus sucks. Honestly, you have the huge sucking leech of an Operating System, with an even hugger sucking leech of X, and a huge sucking leech of a WM (Gnome or KDE) Thats not a system Joe A. User likes the sound of...
Honestly, how many desktop "numbnuts" need multiple users and such fine-grained security? Do you really want to have to explain to them why they have to use a command line and "su" every time they want to install software, or why they have to use a horrible little package manager? How about explaining why they need to use a command line to compile a kernel to add in that driver they need? How about setting up a printer? I'll stop now, or i'll give you nightmares.
Linux & UNIX will never be suitable for the desktop, outside of Geek circles. Sorry, thats the reality IMHO.
Or Real Player/Encoder. The basic Real Producer & Real Server software is free to download and use. You'd need a fairly speedy box to run them both on though (Even for Audio, CPU & RAM usage is high), but it can do HTTP tunneling broadcasts if you happen to be behind a nasty firewall at work :)
I know exactly what you mean. There are so many adverts were they think they are being clever, using "teasers" and the such. Personally, they just fuck me off. I mean, if they want me to buy their product TELL ME WHAT THE FUCK IT IS! Don't fuck about, get to the point.
I have been known to avoid a product, because of it's god-awful advertising.
P.S: Many dotcoms fall into the "Think we're clever but we're not" catagory for advertising.
If thats the case, then Rambus Inc. have come of pretty well, while Intel are dead in the water to a tune of $400M. I can see some Intel suit's head rolling....
or setting up a camera in a theater.
You paid to get in there didn't you? And you have to watch the adverts don't you? How is making your own copy any diferent from recording it from the TV?