No, they are trying to remove the source code from the parts of the web that they think they can control. Like to see them get it removed from various Russian servers etc. that are happily hosting it.
Out of the five or six coder i work with, only one of them claims to be in computing because they enjoy it. The others are in it for the money, and just do it for a job. Strange, but true.
Given that Lightwave originally started life on Amiga's, and was ported to Windows and other commercial *nix's (IRIX is one), it isn't outside the realms of possibility that Lightwave could be ported to Linux. In fact, i could see it becoming a reality Real Soon Now(tm), given that Linux and BSD are being used for render farms.
OS/360
Generic name for operating systems for the IBM S/360, and later S/370. First version released 1966 [Mealy et al 1966]. See also OS/PCP, OS/MFT, OS/MVT, OS/VS1, OS/SVS, and OS/MVS.
So, thats 1966 for version 1 of OS/360.
OS/MFT, OS/MFT-II
Multiprogramming with a Fixed number of Tasks. Simple version of OS/MVT suitable for processors with limited memory. First release 1967, substantial revision 1968. [Mealy et al 1966, Auslander et al 1981].
Thats 1967 for OS/MFT. Which means OS/360 is the earliest IBM version (That i can find). There are also some others such as SUE and POS, but they only give dates of "late 1960's", so i can't tell if these are earlier than 1966 or not. But hey, i think we're getting close;)
No, that doesn't count. A programable machine does not mean it had an Operating System. The easiest way to define and OS is "a low-level software abstraction layer that seperates the function of the hardware from the application". This usually means you have a set of device drivers, and a kernel to provide basic functions.
This is difinatly a difficult question to pin down. What are you going to define as "an OS"? If you mean Kernel & Shell, with a set of standard device drivers, then i should imagine that something such as OS/390 & JCL would be one of the first (Though there may be earlier still).
How about the first FORTRAN interpreters for mainframes? These were originally bootstraped in front of the FORTRTAN data, and in effect, created an abstraction layer between the program and the hardware. I doubt you could say FORTRAN is an OS under the "modern" difinition though.
There has to be an earlier example of a "modern" OS than OS/390 though. I can't imagine the idea was thought up by IBM before it was done in the lab.
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Is about stucture and order you have one way to do something and only one way. Everything looks the same, feels the same, works the same. You get on with it.
Gnome
It is about having lots of diferent bits and peices that don't quiet seem to fit toegther, you use GTK,Gnome,Bonobo, perl,scheme,tcl,python... You wonder why your Gnome desktop doesn't work like your friends Gnome desktop. You scream at it when something fails to work that should well damn work.
Only one is an advantage
If you don't believe me, why is Helix Gnome so popular? It couldn't be that it introduces some standards to Gnome could it?
This isn't intended as flamebait, just my opinion.
I suggest you check back with Telewest (Blueyonder) about Surf Unlimited. I use it almost every day, and have had no major problems for months now. Nice and fast too.
Then you have to speak to your ISP. It's not a case of "waiting for BT to offer Surftime for your ISP", it's "Waiting for your ISP to offer SurfTime through BT". It's a complicated deal (Trust me on this one), but your ISP should know more about it. Or switch to another ISP that already offers SurfTime.
Altavista havn't "withdrawn" their service, because it was never there. They lied to people, they have lied to tthe press, and have made themselves look very, very, stupid.
Not only that, they are now blaming BT (My employer, #include ) for not providing the lines. Nice one Altavista.
Still, there are plenty of other unmetered ISP's in the UK, so it's not a major loss to UK Net addicts like myself.:)
...at customs checkpoints to detect banned plant materials...
Hey, no fair. I like my banned plant materials! It's hard enough to get decent grass here as it is, i don't want Customs nicking even more smugglers. Damn them!
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Also, one of the largest customer database systems in Europe is based on a command line system. It's also written in COBOL, believe it or not.:)
It's the CSS (Customer Service System) database run by BT (UK's largest Telco). There are GUI's to it, but it's still a command line database at heart.:)
Have you looked at the various computer timelines out there at the moment? Ever compared them? If you have, you will notice that they tend to contradict each other, or leave out some parts of computing that others include.
I do believe it was described as a "blank" SA password. Seems a bit OTT to me, but thats what it says. Also the fact that it "does not ask for a SA password during installation" also seems to point to a "blank" password.
What does the language the OS is written in have to do with anything?
Actually, quiet a lot, when it comes to things like defining function call interfaces, memory allocation methods, and other memory managment systems.
Thats not to say that you can't use other programing languages with an OS written in C (As an example), just that you sometimes needs to bend the language to suit the Operating System conventions.
Oh, so Democracy relies on the basis of theft now does it? Face it, using Napster to download MP3's is illegal and immoral, and none of your squawking about how it's "Free speech" and "Information wants to be free" will change that.
Anyone who is deluding themselves into thinking they are doing no harm is a dangerous person, and should face the consequences of their actions. Record companies have every right to distribute their songs. You do not have the right to steal them from them.
If someone says that "Information wants to be free", post your full personal details on Slashdot so we can all share it. After all, it wants to be free, right?
so it wouldn't be cost effective to include an ethernet card if hardly no one used it.
O.K, but why not do what Printer manufactuers do, and build the connection in as a swap-out card. You can then easily have two options on the same hardware, a 56k Modem "Standard" option, and a Ethernet option for those who need it.
Using cards also means that the "Standard" option can be upgraded, or allow connections to new type s of technology (Firewire, USB etc.).
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No, they are trying to remove the source code from the parts of the web that they think they can control. Like to see them get it removed from various Russian servers etc. that are happily hosting it.
Out of the five or six coder i work with, only one of them claims to be in computing because they enjoy it. The others are in it for the money, and just do it for a job. Strange, but true.
Given that Lightwave originally started life on Amiga's, and was ported to Windows and other commercial *nix's (IRIX is one), it isn't outside the realms of possibility that Lightwave could be ported to Linux. In fact, i could see it becoming a reality Real Soon Now(tm), given that Linux and BSD are being used for render farms.
Well, interesting what you can find on Google. From http://www.cs.wvu.edu/~jdm/ classes/cs258/OScat/batch.html
;)
OS/360
Generic name for operating systems for the IBM S/360, and later S/370. First version released 1966 [Mealy et al 1966]. See also OS/PCP, OS/MFT, OS/MVT, OS/VS1, OS/SVS, and OS/MVS.
So, thats 1966 for version 1 of OS/360.
OS/MFT, OS/MFT-II
Multiprogramming with a Fixed number of Tasks. Simple version of OS/MVT suitable for processors with limited memory. First release 1967, substantial revision 1968. [Mealy et al 1966, Auslander et al 1981].
Thats 1967 for OS/MFT. Which means OS/360 is the earliest IBM version (That i can find). There are also some others such as SUE and POS, but they only give dates of "late 1960's", so i can't tell if these are earlier than 1966 or not. But hey, i think we're getting close
Yes, i'm aware of JCL and it's function. I dunno why i included. There was some point i was going to make about it, but i've forgoten what it is now.
Now, MVT is a new one on me. Time to hit Google methinks.
Maybe it did. Is that why the sky is blue? BSOD : Blue Sky Of Death. Aaaargh!
This is one reason why PCs took over from the mainframes.
And of course, having a mainframe on your desk would be a pain. Bill Gates visions of "A mainframe on every desk" wouldn't be much to aim for either.
No, that doesn't count. A programable machine does not mean it had an Operating System. The easiest way to define and OS is "a low-level software abstraction layer that seperates the function of the hardware from the application". This usually means you have a set of device drivers, and a kernel to provide basic functions.
:)
The Colossus certainly didn't have that.
This is difinatly a difficult question to pin down. What are you going to define as "an OS"? If you mean Kernel & Shell, with a set of standard device drivers, then i should imagine that something such as OS/390 & JCL would be one of the first (Though there may be earlier still).
How about the first FORTRAN interpreters for mainframes? These were originally bootstraped in front of the FORTRTAN data, and in effect, created an abstraction layer between the program and the hardware. I doubt you could say FORTRAN is an OS under the "modern" difinition though.
There has to be an earlier example of a "modern" OS than OS/390 though. I can't imagine the idea was thought up by IBM before it was done in the lab.
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Heres my interpretation:
KDE
Is about stucture and order you have one way to do something and only one way. Everything looks the same, feels the same, works the same. You get on with it.
Gnome
It is about having lots of diferent bits and peices that don't quiet seem to fit toegther, you use GTK,Gnome,Bonobo, perl,scheme,tcl,python... You wonder why your Gnome desktop doesn't work like your friends Gnome desktop. You scream at it when something fails to work that should well damn work.
Only one is an advantage
If you don't believe me, why is Helix Gnome so popular? It couldn't be that it introduces some standards to Gnome could it?
This isn't intended as flamebait, just my opinion.
Looks more like a 250w PSU to me. Except this one comes in diferent colours...
I suggest you check back with Telewest (Blueyonder) about Surf Unlimited. I use it almost every day, and have had no major problems for months now. Nice and fast too.
Then you have to speak to your ISP. It's not a case of "waiting for BT to offer Surftime for your ISP", it's "Waiting for your ISP to offer SurfTime through BT". It's a complicated deal (Trust me on this one), but your ISP should know more about it. Or switch to another ISP that already offers SurfTime.
Altavista havn't "withdrawn" their service, because it was never there. They lied to people, they have lied to tthe press, and have made themselves look very, very, stupid.
:)
Not only that, they are now blaming BT (My employer, #include ) for not providing the lines. Nice one Altavista.
Still, there are plenty of other unmetered ISP's in the UK, so it's not a major loss to UK Net addicts like myself.
...at customs checkpoints to detect banned plant materials...
Hey, no fair. I like my banned plant materials! It's hard enough to get decent grass here as it is, i don't want Customs nicking even more smugglers. Damn them!
Also, one of the largest customer database systems in Europe is based on a command line system. It's also written in COBOL, believe it or not. :)
:)
It's the CSS (Customer Service System) database run by BT (UK's largest Telco). There are GUI's to it, but it's still a command line database at heart.
Have you looked at the various computer timelines out there at the moment? Ever compared them? If you have, you will notice that they tend to contradict each other, or leave out some parts of computing that others include.
Which came first, the Z1 or Colosus?
I do believe it was described as a "blank" SA password. Seems a bit OTT to me, but thats what it says. Also the fact that it "does not ask for a SA password during installation" also seems to point to a "blank" password.
What does the language the OS is written in have to do with anything?
Actually, quiet a lot, when it comes to things like defining function call interfaces, memory allocation methods, and other memory managment systems.
Thats not to say that you can't use other programing languages with an OS written in C (As an example), just that you sometimes needs to bend the language to suit the Operating System conventions.
Sorry people. You Have Been Trolled. Have a nice day.
Sorry to do that to you, but it was an expirment. A highly sucesful one too. Thanks for your time people.
Oh, so Democracy relies on the basis of theft now does it? Face it, using Napster to download MP3's is illegal and immoral, and none of your squawking about how it's "Free speech" and "Information wants to be free" will change that.
Anyone who is deluding themselves into thinking they are doing no harm is a dangerous person, and should face the consequences of their actions. Record companies have every right to distribute their songs. You do not have the right to steal them from them.
If someone says that "Information wants to be free", post your full personal details on Slashdot so we can all share it. After all, it wants to be free, right?
Because the swapout card would cost almost as much as the ethernet chipset!
Well duh. Please, bless me with further insights, please.
Plus it has to be designed, supported, and so on.
And all those wonderful appliances appeared overnight in a lab somewhere? *sigh*
Plus phone lines tend to work, internet connections go down.
Uh, right. Phone lines never stop working huh? This is almost funny. At least try an intelligent Troll in future.
The UK is in Europe. Sorry, we may have forgoten to tell you ;)
so it wouldn't be cost effective to include an ethernet card if hardly no one used it.
O.K, but why not do what Printer manufactuers do, and build the connection in as a swap-out card. You can then easily have two options on the same hardware, a 56k Modem "Standard" option, and a Ethernet option for those who need it.
Using cards also means that the "Standard" option can be upgraded, or allow connections to new type s of technology (Firewire, USB etc.).