Yes, but my original point still stands. If you don't agree to the GPL, then you still have noone to sue or blame if the software fails. If you do agree to the GPL, all liability is waived anyway. This is still no diferent to a standard "closed" product EULA.
But, that's exactly the same situation you can have if you use OSS software thats covered under a GPL. So which is right, a "closed" software EULA waiving all liability, or the "open" GPL, which, um, waives all liability?
Actually, this sounds more like a "Download this hot pr0n movie now!" type of thing. In theory it's damn simple, take one small pr0n movie, add a player with a BO trojan, stick it on a server(s) or Usenet somewhere, and you're set.
Most people who are gonna download this thing are gonna be looking for porn, so they won't care if "it needs a special file player", they'll download it and run it so then can see the action.
Nah, i'm not a force. Maybe a farce, but not a force;)
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Thats a very good point for when dealing with hardware companies. This is more likly to succede when dealing with yout local (smallish) clone builder though. After all, one less copy of Windows to install on your box, leaves one more copy for them to install on another box I.E: They save money.
If you do buy from a larger builder, you're more than likly able to get a non Windows box, they're begining to catch on at least.
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(WTF is 'Invalid Form Key!' and why do I keep getting it?!)
Aha! So i wasn't the only one. Thank good it seems to have stopped, i couldn't post to Slashdot for two days. Oh, and i couldn't report it properly because it seems that the Slash Bug-Traq on Sourceforge has been unreachable. Grrr.
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If you look at the big picture, you'll see the OSS movement will be screwed by the UCITA
Ah, now i'm not actually aware of the changes that the UCITA will impose in the US, because i'm in Britian. By the sounds of it, someone needs to go to Washington and beat a few politicians about the head with a GPL until they promise to stop pandering to the Mega-Global-Corp. interests, and start representing their electorate.
I just pray something as bogus as the UCITA doesn't make it onto British lawbooks.
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OSS can be the answer to all of these problems of course. Thats the obvious answer. The problem is of course that
a) The general software buying (Licensing, sorry) public have to be aware of the restrictions being placed on them by companies such as Microsoft
b) The public have to be made aware of free and open source software as an alternative
c) The alternative software has to offer the same or better features that the propriatry software (With it's restrictive licencse) offers
I think a) is becoming clearer every day, as Micrsoft and the other softies extend these types of licencsing and software distribution. b) is also not as much a problem as it used to be, with more and more people aware of, if not actually using, open source software such as Linux and *BSD. c) is something that the Gnome & KDE teams are working very hard on (KOffice, for example).
Now all we need to do is bring them all together, and shout about it.
Capitalism is responsible for everything that's good about our society
Ah, but you see this is the problem. Capitalism makes life good for the sections of society who are lucky enough to have money. Those that don't have the money, get left on the pavement to slowly die away, like they are some peice of garbage that can be ignored; they are seen as an anoyance.
Capitalism makes life great for those who can afford health care, those who can afford a decent education, those that have the skills to make money. It makes life stink for those who can't afford such basic necesities as health care, education, food, housing etc. etc. Not everyone is so fortunate, and it those people who Capitalism lets down so badly.
QTL...damn, i don't even know where i got that from:) I'm tired, now i've made myself look very stupid; i need a cigerete and some coffee. I'll come back when i'm more coherent;)
Oh goody, yet again we have the old QTL v. GPL argument. This time, i'm gonna ask some questions that have been bothering me.
When KDE was started, and the decision to use Qt was made, surely the KDE team were aware of the QTL? They must have been aware of it's interaction with the GPL, and yet they still chose to use Qt. So, if the QTL is so evil that Debian refuse to use KDE, why did the KDE team still use it?
Because the QTL is so bad (Aparently), how much work would it be to move the whole of KDE over to something like GTK+? I've never coded for either Qt or GTK, but i'm assuming they are similiar enough that it wouldn't require a whole rewrite of KDE to do it? How about writing a Qt wrapper for GTK+?
That's all, anymore and i'll bore everyone else to sleep;)
...which provided a dual headded processor bus capable of supporting not only the native ARM chips but a second processor of practicaly any architecture...
Acorn have been doing this sort of thing for a much longer time than 93/94. Anyone who remembers the Acorn BBC B/Master, may well remember a strange connector under the main unit marked "Tube". This was actually a bus connector for a co-pro. If i remember correctly, Z80 & 6502 units were both available, and this is back in the mid 80's.
That's like being arrested by the cops because you pointed at a bank robbery or something.
LOL, that made me laugh. But then, if a security guard can be arrested for planting a bomb because he was the one who helped the injured out, you never know what can happen.
This argument comes up again and again, almost on an annual basis. However, there's a well know quote that i think applies here:
(Paraphrased) "640k should be enough for anyone..."
The point is, there is always something else that just around the corner. When Bill said the above quote, he hadn't envisioned the wide-spread adaoption of the GUI, 3d 1st person games, digital media (DVD's), or the World Wide Web. And just as Bill couldn't envision these things, neither can we envision what could be the Next Big Thing.
Now matter how fast you think your computer is now, someone, somewhere, is busy writing a peice of software that will make your computer seem like a Sinclair Z80 two years down the line.
It's not as if BT has a UK wide monopoly across the whole of the UK anymore. People do have a choice of Telco's wherever they are in the UK. Unmetered access via. BT happened as off last Friday, too FYI.
BT's supposed monopoly seems to come down to the fact that people are too lazy to change, but still complain about the price/service etc.
Disclaimer: I work for BT, and am posting this from a BT computer, in a BT office. My views are my own, not those of my employer.
Ah yes. Often i have partaken of this sport on a boring Saturday afternoon. Best is usully a pretty clueless shop such as PC World. Ask clueless questions for a couple of minutes, then whack them with a nice, technical question (Such as, does the FSB run at 66Mhz or 100Mhz on this box?) Be sure to use a lot of abreviations and acronyms for best effect.
Well, i'm sure i've seen boxed copies of Redhat in Software Warehouse stores. But i can't ever imagine walking into a Dixons or (God forbid) a PC World and finding a sales person who new what Linux was. Hell, must of them barely know what a computer is...
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Heh, how about:
;)
; Speed not high priority here.
Seems so...fitting, in an M$ product
Yes, but my original point still stands. If you don't agree to the GPL, then you still have noone to sue or blame if the software fails. If you do agree to the GPL, all liability is waived anyway. This is still no diferent to a standard "closed" product EULA.
But, that's exactly the same situation you can have if you use OSS software thats covered under a GPL. So which is right, a "closed" software EULA waiving all liability, or the "open" GPL, which, um, waives all liability?
Duh, like, because a Computer is Windows. Don't you know? Are you think or something? ;)
I'm sure CNN doesn't run their web servers under Mega$lob software
Acording to Netcraft, it's Netscape Enterprise 2.01 on Solaris. Good for them.
I dunno, Solitaire can be pretty damn adictive. Why do you think Microsoft included it in Windows?...
Actually, this sounds more like a "Download this hot pr0n movie now!" type of thing. In theory it's damn simple, take one small pr0n movie, add a player with a BO trojan, stick it on a server(s) or Usenet somewhere, and you're set.
Most people who are gonna download this thing are gonna be looking for porn, so they won't care if "it needs a special file player", they'll download it and run it so then can see the action.
At least, that's my theory.
the exact term for this force... vander something
;)
Nah, i'm not a force. Maybe a farce, but not a force
Thats a very good point for when dealing with hardware companies. This is more likly to succede when dealing with yout local (smallish) clone builder though. After all, one less copy of Windows to install on your box, leaves one more copy for them to install on another box I.E: They save money.
If you do buy from a larger builder, you're more than likly able to get a non Windows box, they're begining to catch on at least.
(WTF is 'Invalid Form Key!' and why do I keep getting it?!)
Aha! So i wasn't the only one. Thank good it seems to have stopped, i couldn't post to Slashdot for two days. Oh, and i couldn't report it properly because it seems that the Slash Bug-Traq on Sourceforge has been unreachable. Grrr.
If you look at the big picture, you'll see the OSS movement will be screwed by the UCITA
Ah, now i'm not actually aware of the changes that the UCITA will impose in the US, because i'm in Britian. By the sounds of it, someone needs to go to Washington and beat a few politicians about the head with a GPL until they promise to stop pandering to the Mega-Global-Corp. interests, and start representing their electorate.
I just pray something as bogus as the UCITA doesn't make it onto British lawbooks.
OSS can be the answer to all of these problems of course. Thats the obvious answer. The problem is of course that
a) The general software buying (Licensing, sorry) public have to be aware of the restrictions being placed on them by companies such as Microsoft
b) The public have to be made aware of free and open source software as an alternative
c) The alternative software has to offer the same or better features that the propriatry software (With it's restrictive licencse) offers
I think a) is becoming clearer every day, as Micrsoft and the other softies extend these types of licencsing and software distribution. b) is also not as much a problem as it used to be, with more and more people aware of, if not actually using, open source software such as Linux and *BSD. c) is something that the Gnome & KDE teams are working very hard on (KOffice, for example).
Now all we need to do is bring them all together, and shout about it.
Capitalism is responsible for everything that's good about our society
Ah, but you see this is the problem. Capitalism makes life good for the sections of society who are lucky enough to have money. Those that don't have the money, get left on the pavement to slowly die away, like they are some peice of garbage that can be ignored; they are seen as an anoyance.
Capitalism makes life great for those who can afford health care, those who can afford a decent education, those that have the skills to make money. It makes life stink for those who can't afford such basic necesities as health care, education, food, housing etc. etc. Not everyone is so fortunate, and it those people who Capitalism lets down so badly.
Anyone remember what the URL for the pornicator was, i gotta give that a try :)
QTL...damn, i don't even know where i got that from :) I'm tired, now i've made myself look very stupid; i need a cigerete and some coffee. I'll come back when i'm more coherent ;)
Oh goody, yet again we have the old QTL v. GPL argument. This time, i'm gonna ask some questions that have been bothering me.
;)
When KDE was started, and the decision to use Qt was made, surely the KDE team were aware of the QTL? They must have been aware of it's interaction with the GPL, and yet they still chose to use Qt. So, if the QTL is so evil that Debian refuse to use KDE, why did the KDE team still use it?
Because the QTL is so bad (Aparently), how much work would it be to move the whole of KDE over to something like GTK+? I've never coded for either Qt or GTK, but i'm assuming they are similiar enough that it wouldn't require a whole rewrite of KDE to do it? How about writing a Qt wrapper for GTK+?
That's all, anymore and i'll bore everyone else to sleep
...which provided a dual headded processor bus capable of supporting not only the native ARM chips but a second processor of practicaly any architecture...
Acorn have been doing this sort of thing for a much longer time than 93/94. Anyone who remembers the Acorn BBC B/Master, may well remember a strange connector under the main unit marked "Tube". This was actually a bus connector for a co-pro. If i remember correctly, Z80 & 6502 units were both available, and this is back in the mid 80's.
That's like being arrested by the cops because you pointed at a bank robbery or something.
LOL, that made me laugh. But then, if a security guard can be arrested for planting a bomb because he was the one who helped the injured out, you never know what can happen.
Interesting hole in Slash it seems. Anyone emailed Rob et al. about this yet? Or does anyone even know how it works?
This argument comes up again and again, almost on an annual basis. However, there's a well know quote that i think applies here:
(Paraphrased) "640k should be enough for anyone..."
The point is, there is always something else that just around the corner. When Bill said the above quote, he hadn't envisioned the wide-spread adaoption of the GUI, 3d 1st person games, digital media (DVD's), or the World Wide Web. And just as Bill couldn't envision these things, neither can we envision what could be the Next Big Thing.
Now matter how fast you think your computer is now, someone, somewhere, is busy writing a peice of software that will make your computer seem like a Sinclair Z80 two years down the line.
Heh, well computers don't have souls you know:
*** mwwdnssvr1.mww.bt.com can't find god: Non-existent domain
Maybe i have a Buddhist computer...
...just look at British Telecom...
It's not as if BT has a UK wide monopoly across the whole of the UK anymore. People do have a choice of Telco's wherever they are in the UK. Unmetered access via. BT happened as off last Friday, too FYI.
BT's supposed monopoly seems to come down to the fact that people are too lazy to change, but still complain about the price/service etc.
Disclaimer: I work for BT, and am posting this from a BT computer, in a BT office. My views are my own, not those of my employer.
I know, i realised that after i hit submit. I have no idea what i was thinking when i put those two together :)
Ah yes. Often i have partaken of this sport on a boring Saturday afternoon. Best is usully a pretty clueless shop such as PC World. Ask clueless questions for a couple of minutes, then whack them with a nice, technical question (Such as, does the FSB run at 66Mhz or 100Mhz on this box?) Be sure to use a lot of abreviations and acronyms for best effect.
Well, i'm sure i've seen boxed copies of Redhat in Software Warehouse stores. But i can't ever imagine walking into a Dixons or (God forbid) a PC World and finding a sales person who new what Linux was. Hell, must of them barely know what a computer is...