But my boss' business is financial services. I walk the floors a lot and even sit down an hour a week to take calls, to keep up with what's going on with my employees. I'm hardly 'on high' like most PHB's.
We deal with personal information here by the truckload. You should be thankful that we have nearly fascist controls at this company, such as putting on a monkey suit and being scanned when you set foot into this building beyond the lobby.
When a user opens things up to "Get things done", some other malicious person uses it as an exploit. Or a virus finds its way in. Either way, consumer data may get loose and we'd be subject to liability and loss of reputation.
That's why we have the strictest control. Some inefficiency is preferable to me than a breach caused by network admin negligence. Before we allowed intranet IM we tested and hacked away at it for weeks before allowing it, to make sure there was no chance of it getting past our firewalls.
You should ask for at least that of an institution managing your personal information and entire financial existence.
"Shadow IT"? Please. Our machines boot up from a remote read-only source; all work is done to a network disk. Access to shells is restricted. Wanna take notes? Fire up gedit, we have it there for you. Firefox is used to access company intranet pages, but cannot go to the internet, ever. And I dare any fscker to try to put any custom software on there. They can't even get near the workstations without changing into a suit and leaving their stuff behind in a locker. And I repeat: no internet access. Why does a financial services rep or broker need that? We have intranet-style access to Bloomberg, etc. We have a network that slurps from the stock market and feeds it into the intranet one way.
Yes, it's brutal, but we've got enough personal information here that if it leaks, the owner would be sued so far back that his ancestor Oog would be Ebaying his club and buckskin rubber to pay it off. And I'd be fired, you betcha.
You keep your "Shadow IT". Me, I can do without the legal liabilities, loss of reputation, and of my job.
1) It's my property (well, the owner of the company is my boss, but I manage this data center)
2) On my property, it's my internet usage rules, as long as I'm fair about it.
3) I bear the full responsibility for stuff going boom (physically, financially or legally), so I have the full right to monitor and control network usage.
4) You can always go home and use IM and gmail if you want. I have no control over that (though one jackass company in Michigan certainly would want to).
I support SOX, though I admit we're not a publicly traded company...
Necessity did. Capitalism is just the midwife. This world turned long before Capitalism came along, and will turn long after it is gone.
The fact that you have electricity and drinkable water is because of Government nanny state interference in capitalism.
Here's a news flash - you will never, as long as you live in your mother's basement, see real capitalism. Nor will you see it when you're kicked out. America is a mix of capitalism, socialism and communism, and if you don't like that, I suggest you move to Somalia and live out your dream life there. Nothing you say or do will ever, ever, ever bring real capitalism to America. It ain't gonna happen, son. No, really, it ain't gonna happen. Move, or drink the purple kool-aid. Those are your choices.
I always buy American, if ever possible. I go out of my way.
I say the US and its ethical allies in Europe end all trade barriers and block China and the rest of these sweatshop nations who are cheating like hell.
There's no way a free and ethical nation can compete against fascist dictatorships that use prison labor and which ties its currency. That's like bringing steroid users into the NBA.
Congrats on living within your means, I do too. Maybe everyone should. The economy would shrink drastically, though.
The pillow making industry still needs people to run their networks,
I was going to write a long explanation for why what you're saying is no longer true, but this should suffice.
Old skills go overseas. New skills become obsolete in about 5 years. The future lies in changing your skill set on a yearly basis, working for a year, getting laid off, then moving to a new area to find a new line of work. There's no such thing as a long term employee any more.
And for most families, the simple fact is, if one spouse doesn't work, they won't make rent and bills. In the 1950s, one income could support a house and car; sadly, inflation is outstripping income.
Try one that is in demand. Let us assume you start learning it today. I bet you it will be obsolete by the time you're certified/degreed/etc.
It's called "just in time" employment.
BTW when you have a wife and kids, that kind of stability is never good for your family. You call it adapt and change; you might also know it as "latch key kids".
You're only right in your own little polkadot universe, dude.
And speaking of the 8th grade, that must have been the best 25 years of your life, God knows it's been downhill ever since. Your wit is almost as sharp as Stephen Hawking's martial arts skills, and I can't even say your IQ without getting frostbite. For instance, only an idiot doesn't know you can't post and moderate at the same time. Oh wait, that's you.
Errors, errors, errors, that's all you do. It's the one thing you're better at than me.:)
All I gotta say to that is, where I come from, a man should look for work before he looks for welfare - and God damn those globalists for taking the work overseas...
No, its not (anymore):) At least not nearly as much as it was. You need to get off the superiority complex.
Take us out of the equation and China & India go off the map the next day.
Do explain the 'ethics of profit or debit' you refer to. Your statement makes no sense.
Maybe not to you. I apologize ahead of time for using multi syllable words with you.
Globalism only cares about what's profitable, not what's right or wrong. In their universe, Scrooge is a role model.
No, that would be (mostly) American owned large companies like Haliburton, Bechtel and others.
No, Europe is also embroiled in a major software patent battle. They're attacking Australia, too.
Your ignorance is so great it has its own gravitational field.
I'm from South Baltimore.. I didn't need to leave the country to see dirty rivers and unsafe workplaces:)
To see the worst of it, you do. They're bad over there, but not like China, which has most of the world's most polluted cities. And when was the last time a factory or a mine collapsed over there? Happens in China all the time, rather than twice in the (Southern, neo-con infested) US in God knows how long.
How the hell does open source cut into my profits? I built a business AROUND supporting and advancing open source.
Who cares about your fantasy make believe business? I'm talking about the way open source cuts into the profits of big wigs like MicroSoft and other big corporations. Yes, companies like RedHat stand to win big on the spread of Open Source which is why I made sure my data center has a big fat contract with them and we don't use Micro$hit much here. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the war that companies like MicroSoft are waging to stop the spread of Open Source - a war that, despite the ignorance that your life deep down in your mommy's basement has fostered, is raging as we speak.
You know, if stupidity were contagious, you'd be a friggin weapon of mass destruction. Thank God the only knowledge you have of anything beyond your trailer park came from your Carmen Sandiago games.
Not really, and the Dollar hasn't been doing so well lately either. Racism takes yet another (ugly) form when one demands respect based solely on his ethnicity, which is what you just did.
No, that is not what I just did. I just said quit busting on American workers and putting us down, when our money is what drives the entire world's economic engine.
Your argument is that if we ask that you stop singling out American workers for badmouthing, that makes us racist. I call total bullshit.
Globalists are pioneers and thinkers who are working very diligently to a global economy where all can benefit. As we broadly support businesses who take capitalize on open source technology that was developed globally, I really fail to see how one's country of origin has *anything* to do with it:)
Globalists are reducing humanity to nothing more than the ethics of profit or debit. They're using IP laws to shortcircuit the open source movement and consolidate power around the world into the hands of the wealthy elite. Globalists attack ethical nations and they attack human rights, all by driving jobs and money into the most fascist and unethical nations in the world (see: China) and taking said things away from the people of other nations.
In globalism, unsafe workplaces, polluted rivers and strict corporate control of citizens, is the fastest path to riches for those at the top.
Globalists will smack down Open Source if they can, because it cuts deeply into their profits and denies them control. They're trying to destroy Open Source right this minute, with software patent laws.
When I say give us some respect, I mean stop calling us a bunch of idiots. We're holding up the world's economy. You owe us. No wait, you won't like hearing that. Let me put it another way. America upholds the global market with our purchasing habits. We depend on our credit debt and mortgage refinancing to make this happen. If we can't keep piling on more debt, our purchasing power will plummet, and the market for whatever goods you make, will plummet, too, and you will lose your company or your job.
IOW: if we go down, you go down.
It's not nice to disrespect people upon whom your livelihood depends.
How about some gratitude? Oh, wait, you don't do gratitude. In that case you're just as bad as you say we are.
Say Hello to your ignorance. India has never invaded other country including Pakistan. Both Pakistani and Indian government know that they cannot attack each other. Any issue (Kashmir) is alive because of Pakistan's flaky democracy and rise in Islamic fanaticism. And America has more responsibility in promoting it than anyother country, because they stand for the statements of 'founding fathers'. There are more terrorist organisations aimed at USA than any one. America for the whole world including Europe, stands just for hypocrisy.
That wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the chance that neither India nor Pakistan will be around in 10 years.
India and Pakistan have more than once nearly launched nukes at each other. Heck, they've been trash talking and engaging in some downright puerile nuclear penis waving for quite a while.
Hmm... you come up with ideas but don't have anyone to execute it. We have people but don't have any money to buy food, they will think about food than intellectual property. We do business. Big deal? Welcome again to ECO101.
You keep referring to Econ 101. NEWS FLASH: humanity is more than the sum of its capitalist rhetorical skills. You passed neo feudalist rhetoric regurgitation 101 but you flunk out on the concept of seeing anything beyond dollars and cents.
For instance, America has plenty of people to execute our ideas. When we come up with ideas, we start them here, with American workers, and thanks to the corporate statists who should be swinging from trees by now, we fire them and send the work overseas.
We execute our own ideas, and we're darned good at it. Kaboom goes another one of your America-bashing arguments.
Now what's next? Let's see...
Not putting up any point but giving facts to point out how people are inferior because they are from East India, and then calling them racist. Are you surprised when you don't get the 'respect'?
I didn't say you were inferior.
By the way, what product USA produces? America is rich because they sold weapons, NOT intellectual property. You have money and WE have product. That is something you said yourself.
That's the whole point. We've sold out to globalism and put factories around the world instead of employing our own people to make it here.
I say we bite the bullet and go back to producing our goods here in America. We can do it, and we have been doing it for a hundred years.
We mass produced (for you semantically challenged trolls out there, mass produce != invent) cars, computers, the internet, everything we consumed, we made here. Until the globalists came along and put our collective economic gonads in a pickle jar.
Sorry, dude, but it won't be the end of the world if you embargo us and refuse to produce for us. In fact, I and future generations of Americans would clamor to go back in time and kiss your stinky feet if you did that to us. The nation which mass produced airplanes, cars, computers and which invented the internet, would go right back to providing for ourselves. The job explosion would be utterly miraculous.
I'm sure you could manage without our import money. Yay you.
Hint: America taking care of its own for once, doesn't qualify as hating you or attacking you.
And what would be the long term effects on the US? That sort of insular behaviour has never worked well for any country.
When CEOs in offshore client nations start undercutting US CEOs with lower pay, and stolen intellectual property, and start coming up with their own IP (this is how Toyota ate the Big Three automakers alive), US companies will go away because everyone from the janitor to the CEO over there, are costing foreign nations less in labor costs.
When the US CEOs lose their jobs to lower paid CEOs overseas, those 401(k)'s you hear about, will fall down and go boom. With no US companies even capable of upstarting because the rest of the world has done us a Toyota across all our industries, we'll all get used to earning third world wages and the Great Depression will be a permanent state of being for us.
In other words, if our high tech jobs continue to bleed out of the country, there won't be a country for anything to work well. Well, there'll be a country, but we'll be reduced to a third world crap hole.
Actually there won't be a country, once one of the dominant militia warlords-you-haven't-noticed-yet over here gets a hold of one of our many many many dormant nukes and decides to use it to kick the militia over yonder hill's butt in the ruthless competition for women and food. And of course someone's going to sell a few to the black market and well badebadebadebadethat's all folks!
am sure American reps speak better English than Indians and they have their reasons too. They live in a society where they are forced to learn English as their first language. Indians are not. They learn it out of choice and speaking English is a personal decision.
I learned a lot of Japanese myself. Then Japan took a crap all over its working class and the Japanese rich and powerful cashed out their country's economy and shipped their jobs to Korea, etc. Nihongo wa hitsuyoo ja nai. (The Japanese language is useless now.) Now if you want to be prosperous, the foreign language to learn is Chinese. I ain't going there. In the next 5 years it might be Swahili.
Get my drift? With the world learning English because they want to sell to us primarily (but not employ us), and the corporate statist globalist goons running from one country to the next in search of cheap, disposable worker bees, the foreign language we English speaking people learn today, will be useless by tomorrow.
You guys in India are already under low wage pressure from Eastern Europe and Africa. Ain't that a crying shame.
Americans are smart. We know better than to drive a whole country to learn a foreign language when the one we learn won't be worth squat when we hit the job market.
If you think call center employees write those scripts then God help you.
But I didn't say that. Can't refute an argument aimed at killing an argument I didn't make.
As far as blooming economy is concerned, when was the last time you heard India invading another country and making a quick buck on oil?? Indian economy is all about brain power.
Say hi to Pakistan for me. Assuming either of you are still around in 10 years.
Yes Indians go to western world and kick ass by proving to be more efficient, cost effective and by doing a job some dumb *enter nationality here* could not do at double the wages.
Excuse me? We generate the intellectual property here, and outsource it to you. And most of that is generated by Americans. And lemme guess... "some dumb *enter nationality here*" translates to "some dumb non East Indian", right?
You racist, arrogant pricks. But then I knew this already. I talked to you guys before we ended our BPO relationship with Mumbai & Bangalore. You look down on Americans - and a lot of others in this world - but you depend on us to buy your products.
Did you ever hear a general racial out burst in India ?? I don't think so. How many Indians would like to say the same for western world?
Racial outburst? Nope. But you sure as heck have it in for your women. How many baby girls have been aborted or strangled over there? Racial hatred is a monster all its own, but it doesn't light a candle against a misogynist culture that plays whack-a-mole with baby girls.
Lets not compare the intelligence or IQ. George Bush was elected twice. 'nuff said.
Okay, fine. If you're so much better, then build your tech industry yourself, without our help. Like we did. And yes, I know East Indians make up a large number of doctors and scientists in America, but feel free to shut them out of America if you wish. (They seem to come here more than we come there, what with all the onerous restrictions every foreign nation in the world has on immigration and work visas all that.) (You hear that, Americans? If you want to go to India or any other country to get your outsourced job back, it ain't gonna happen. But anyways.)
Oh, what's that splashing sound? It's the sound of East Indian flaming arrogance crashing into the super ultra polluted Indian Ocean.
I have recordings (yes, you're not supposed to do that) of several Dell support calls my wife made in which their English was terrible, their accents were quite heavy, and they stayed with scripts and did not in any way show innovation or creative thought in their attempts to fix her broken machine.
And that felgercarb about East Indians speaking better English than American call centers is pure racist bollocks. I manage a data center and we outsource rurally to a place in Oklahoma City, OK, and their English is light years superior. I ensure this, but really, I don't have to. We have people in Manhattan, some of whom come right over from Spanish Harlem, who speak better English.
Let's not get into the tech support skills.
As for attitude and rudeness, now neither side of the ocean can claim the high ground there. I've never ordered a rurally outsourced rep terminated for crappy English, but the owner of the company decided to end our Bangalore (company not spoken here) call center contract because of their unimaginative, scripted behavior, and we've fired a healthy number of Americans for being rude.
But for you to say American reps - techies, no less - have poorer English skills than East Indian reps - is horribly wrong and very, very racist.
It's like East Indian workers can do no wrong and we can do no right. Well, excuse me, but I'll vote with my money. And if the other 300 million Americans did the same, there would be no booming East India or China economy.
You globalists depend on America's money. Otherwise you wouldn't sell so much to us. At least show us some respect.
I hereby award you the "Yes, they're out to get you" Paranoia award. Here's your tinfoil hat.
There is absolutely nothing in the act about tracking purchases, travel, or anything else. If you think your banking and purchases are anonymous now, you're seriously deluded. Stores are tracking what you buy already, banks have to report certain types of transactions to the government.
Excuse me, but why should I be forced to let anyone do anything with my personal and private information without my consent?
The cards themselves will be more difficult to counterfeit than the current social security card. Additionally, a large portion of the mandate is dedicated to the physical security of the blank cards themselves, how they are stored, and who has access to them.
Name me one security tactic that hasn't been defeated? Haven't you learned this with the RIAA and MicroSoft? Now, all your personal information would be on one card. Hack that and you no longer have your own identity. Identity thieves and Al Qaeda would have enormous interest in busting that so-called "Security".
Maybe I just don't have as vivid of an imagination as you, but I don't see the things you've mentioned happening with this.
That's because a) You're like an ostrich, living with your head in the sand; and b) You're ignorant of even recent history, which has repeatedly proven your principles to be dead wrong, as there hasn't been one security scheme since the dawn of the Internet, online or offline, that hasn't been cracked.
Real ID cards are machine readable. Machines can and do get counterfeited.
You live in denial, and that's just as big a mental problem as paranoia - except in 99% of all survival of the fittest scenarios, you're the first to get eaten.
Actually, Libertarians are usually the worst. Hear me out here.
For one, they're selfish to a fault. They would turn Scrooge into a capitalist hero. Libertarians, for the most part, don't want to pay for anything, and don't want to be forced to contribute to a functioning society.
No welfare? Come on, what civilized nation doesn't have that? They expect you to beg charity for money for a heart transplant. When you bring up corporate welfare, on the other hand, it's like "Uncle Sam, don't you take my taxes to fund Bankrupt Airline's bankruptcy bailout, if you do I'm going to count to ten, really Uncle Sam, I'm counting to one now, one and one tenth, one and two ninths, one and two sevenths... oh wait, Halliburton got a buncha no-bid contracts? More corporate welfa... hey, I have stock in Halliburton! Hooray! I'll forgive you this time, Uncle Sam!"
Libertarians on the working class: "What, you can't afford a heart transplant? Poor you. You got killed in a mine collapse? Somebody call the whaaaaaambulance! You chose to work there! You could have chosen not to work there. So what if you starve? Do you realize we have poor hungry people in China to feed? Forget the American worker, won't somebody think of the Childr... er, Chinese peasants! If you'd only been smart enough to invested in Enron, you'd be able to afford that transplant - er, wait, you lost a pile of money in Enron? Well only an idiot would have invested in Enron! Everyone knows Halliburton stock is flyin' high, baby! Rah rah corporate welfa-er, I mean the war on terror!"
Libertarians on air and water pollution: "If the confiscationalists hadn't taken steps to clean up our air and our drinking water, then big business wouldn't have moved to China! Do you want to breathe or do you want to work? Well? Aw, forget working. I made my millions selling bottled water straight outta Love Canal!"
Libertarians on workplace safety: "Everybody sing! It's my workplace, I can kill my workers if I want to, poison them if I want to, beat them if I want to!"
Dude, Libertarians support free trade with China, which by every credible form of human rights standards is orders of magnitude worse than Nazi Germany. 50 million dead baby girls vs 12 million dead Jewish people, Chinese democracy activsts vs German Catholics & gays, bullets in the back of the head at night vs concentration camps, jewish skin lamps versus political prisoners being harvested for organ donations, etc. 50 million people killed during Mao's reign vs 12 million total dead in Hitler's regime. The list goes on and on. China's shooting down test satellites while conducting cyber warfare against US sites (a clear act of war). Why are we engaged in free trade with a nation that steals our intellectual property (look up Cisco vs Huawei or Chevrolet vs the Cherry QQ) with the Government's support and then floods our market with knockoffs based on that stolen IP? China enforces atheism. I'm a God fearing man, I'd be an utter hypocrite not to oppose them, but I've never run into a so-called God fearing Libertarian (and there are a ton of those) whose tongue didn't drag behind him on his way to Wal Mart to hunt for a $25 made-in-China DVD.
Yes, I know there are extremists on all sides, and I know Liberals have equally whacked out kooks in their ranks (Al Sharpton, anyone?), but I've never met a Libertarian who didn't behave like that.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian but he doesn't come across anything remotely like his flaming nutjob peers that I've encountered.
To think that I deleted a long rant from my post above about Ron Paul! I'm clairvoyant! (Or you're psychic. Hmmm. Naw, I'm clairvoyant. That's it.)
Ron Paul is the only Congressman who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act, and if I recall, he voted against it because no one was allowed to actually see the law beforehand. That's raw integrity. He also sponsored or defended a bill to block the Government from turning to overseas outsourcing for Government work. The man apparently knows the difference between the free market and selling out America.
The dude is fairly awesome for a Libertarian. Hell, for a politician period. If I were President I would at least bring him in whenever I planned on proposing legislation. He might not be able to stop us leebruls but at least we could get some ideas on compromises that would make things more sensible.
BTW lemme throw this idea at you... how about all new laws automatically be assigned a sunset clause with three renewals required for consideration for permanency? It won't stop corrupt Congresses from renewing them, but it gives us more of a chance to remove unpopular laws. This served us well with the Brady Bill, or another one of those hideous gun control laws that Bush, during one of his few bright moments, helped shoot down -
I couldn't possibly see your comment on Democrats as being flame bait, though, and if you look at my profile I'm always making fun of Republican ideals. Hell I can't even see where your post is factually wrong.
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But my boss' business is financial services. I walk the floors a lot and even sit down an hour a week to take calls, to keep up with what's going on with my employees. I'm hardly 'on high' like most PHB's.
We deal with personal information here by the truckload. You should be thankful that we have nearly fascist controls at this company, such as putting on a monkey suit and being scanned when you set foot into this building beyond the lobby.
When a user opens things up to "Get things done", some other malicious person uses it as an exploit. Or a virus finds its way in. Either way, consumer data may get loose and we'd be subject to liability and loss of reputation.
That's why we have the strictest control. Some inefficiency is preferable to me than a breach caused by network admin negligence. Before we allowed intranet IM we tested and hacked away at it for weeks before allowing it, to make sure there was no chance of it getting past our firewalls.
You should ask for at least that of an institution managing your personal information and entire financial existence.
"Shadow IT"? Please. Our machines boot up from a remote read-only source; all work is done to a network disk. Access to shells is restricted. Wanna take notes? Fire up gedit, we have it there for you. Firefox is used to access company intranet pages, but cannot go to the internet, ever. And I dare any fscker to try to put any custom software on there. They can't even get near the workstations without changing into a suit and leaving their stuff behind in a locker. And I repeat: no internet access. Why does a financial services rep or broker need that? We have intranet-style access to Bloomberg, etc. We have a network that slurps from the stock market and feeds it into the intranet one way.
Yes, it's brutal, but we've got enough personal information here that if it leaks, the owner would be sued so far back that his ancestor Oog would be Ebaying his club and buckskin rubber to pay it off. And I'd be fired, you betcha.
You keep your "Shadow IT". Me, I can do without the legal liabilities, loss of reputation, and of my job.
and I still say:
1) It's my property (well, the owner of the company is my boss, but I manage this data center)
2) On my property, it's my internet usage rules, as long as I'm fair about it.
3) I bear the full responsibility for stuff going boom (physically, financially or legally), so I have the full right to monitor and control network usage.
4) You can always go home and use IM and gmail if you want. I have no control over that (though one jackass company in Michigan certainly would want to).
I support SOX, though I admit we're not a publicly traded company...
There is no government on a desert island.
But you might get visited by pirates.
No, it was 6007 years ago!
I am of the Most Holy Order of the Earth is 6007 Years Old Club and thou must be one of thine swarthy heathens from that Earth is 6993 Years Old sect!
Avast! I'm coming to DEMOCRATIZE thee!
Necessity did. Capitalism is just the midwife. This world turned long before Capitalism came along, and will turn long after it is gone.
The fact that you have electricity and drinkable water is because of Government nanny state interference in capitalism.
Here's a news flash - you will never, as long as you live in your mother's basement, see real capitalism. Nor will you see it when you're kicked out. America is a mix of capitalism, socialism and communism, and if you don't like that, I suggest you move to Somalia and live out your dream life there. Nothing you say or do will ever, ever, ever bring real capitalism to America. It ain't gonna happen, son. No, really, it ain't gonna happen. Move, or drink the purple kool-aid. Those are your choices.
I always buy American, if ever possible. I go out of my way.
I say the US and its ethical allies in Europe end all trade barriers and block China and the rest of these sweatshop nations who are cheating like hell.
There's no way a free and ethical nation can compete against fascist dictatorships that use prison labor and which ties its currency. That's like bringing steroid users into the NBA.
Congrats on living within your means, I do too. Maybe everyone should. The economy would shrink drastically, though.
I was going to write a long explanation for why what you're saying is no longer true, but this should suffice.
Old skills go overseas. New skills become obsolete in about 5 years. The future lies in changing your skill set on a yearly basis, working for a year, getting laid off, then moving to a new area to find a new line of work. There's no such thing as a long term employee any more.
And for most families, the simple fact is, if one spouse doesn't work, they won't make rent and bills. In the 1950s, one income could support a house and car; sadly, inflation is outstripping income.
We're exporting our jobs but not our goods.
Cool. Now we can concentrate less on your tragedy of factual and logical errors and more on your dead on arrival jokes!
Try one that is in demand. Let us assume you start learning it today. I bet you it will be obsolete by the time you're certified/degreed/etc.
It's called "just in time" employment.
BTW when you have a wife and kids, that kind of stability is never good for your family. You call it adapt and change; you might also know it as "latch key kids".
We need some balance, and the balance is shifted way too far against the working class. The middle class is shrinking. http://www.factcheck.org/article249.html
You're only right in your own little polkadot universe, dude.
:)
And speaking of the 8th grade, that must have been the best 25 years of your life, God knows it's been downhill ever since. Your wit is almost as sharp as Stephen Hawking's martial arts skills, and I can't even say your IQ without getting frostbite. For instance, only an idiot doesn't know you can't post and moderate at the same time. Oh wait, that's you.
Errors, errors, errors, that's all you do. It's the one thing you're better at than me.
All I gotta say to that is, where I come from, a man should look for work before he looks for welfare - and God damn those globalists for taking the work overseas...
Take us out of the equation and China & India go off the map the next day.
Maybe not to you. I apologize ahead of time for using multi syllable words with you.
Globalism only cares about what's profitable, not what's right or wrong. In their universe, Scrooge is a role model.
No, Europe is also embroiled in a major software patent battle. They're attacking Australia, too.
Your ignorance is so great it has its own gravitational field.
To see the worst of it, you do. They're bad over there, but not like China, which has most of the world's most polluted cities. And when was the last time a factory or a mine collapsed over there? Happens in China all the time, rather than twice in the (Southern, neo-con infested) US in God knows how long.
Who cares about your fantasy make believe business? I'm talking about the way open source cuts into the profits of big wigs like MicroSoft and other big corporations. Yes, companies like RedHat stand to win big on the spread of Open Source which is why I made sure my data center has a big fat contract with them and we don't use Micro$hit much here. But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the war that companies like MicroSoft are waging to stop the spread of Open Source - a war that, despite the ignorance that your life deep down in your mommy's basement has fostered, is raging as we speak.
You know, if stupidity were contagious, you'd be a friggin weapon of mass destruction. Thank God the only knowledge you have of anything beyond your trailer park came from your Carmen Sandiago games.
No, that is not what I just did. I just said quit busting on American workers and putting us down, when our money is what drives the entire world's economic engine.
Your argument is that if we ask that you stop singling out American workers for badmouthing, that makes us racist. I call total bullshit.
Globalists are reducing humanity to nothing more than the ethics of profit or debit. They're using IP laws to shortcircuit the open source movement and consolidate power around the world into the hands of the wealthy elite. Globalists attack ethical nations and they attack human rights, all by driving jobs and money into the most fascist and unethical nations in the world (see: China) and taking said things away from the people of other nations.
In globalism, unsafe workplaces, polluted rivers and strict corporate control of citizens, is the fastest path to riches for those at the top.
Globalists will smack down Open Source if they can, because it cuts deeply into their profits and denies them control. They're trying to destroy Open Source right this minute, with software patent laws.
When I say give us some respect, I mean stop calling us a bunch of idiots. We're holding up the world's economy. You owe us. No wait, you won't like hearing that. Let me put it another way. America upholds the global market with our purchasing habits. We depend on our credit debt and mortgage refinancing to make this happen. If we can't keep piling on more debt, our purchasing power will plummet, and the market for whatever goods you make, will plummet, too, and you will lose your company or your job.
IOW: if we go down, you go down.
It's not nice to disrespect people upon whom your livelihood depends.
How about some gratitude? Oh, wait, you don't do gratitude. In that case you're just as bad as you say we are.
That wasn't what I was talking about. I was talking about the chance that neither India nor Pakistan will be around in 10 years.
India and Pakistan have more than once nearly launched nukes at each other. Heck, they've been trash talking and engaging in some downright puerile nuclear penis waving for quite a while.
Now, let the facts speak for me. And no, nothing in here contradicts what I just told you. Let's cut off that avenue of weaseling out now before you try it.
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/south/01/08/ pakistan.india/
You keep referring to Econ 101. NEWS FLASH: humanity is more than the sum of its capitalist rhetorical skills. You passed neo feudalist rhetoric regurgitation 101 but you flunk out on the concept of seeing anything beyond dollars and cents.
For instance, America has plenty of people to execute our ideas. When we come up with ideas, we start them here, with American workers, and thanks to the corporate statists who should be swinging from trees by now, we fire them and send the work overseas.
America is one of the most productive nations in the world. Few nations top us even in per hour stats. Even the Chinese recognize that: http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-09/01/con tent_260191.htm
We execute our own ideas, and we're darned good at it. Kaboom goes another one of your America-bashing arguments.
Now what's next? Let's see...
I didn't say you were inferior.
That's the whole point. We've sold out to globalism and put factories around the world instead of employing our own people to make it here.
I say we bite the bullet and go back to producing our goods here in America. We can do it, and we have been doing it for a hundred years.
We mass produced (for you semantically challenged trolls out there, mass produce != invent) cars, computers, the internet, everything we consumed, we made here. Until the globalists came along and put our collective economic gonads in a pickle jar.
Sorry, dude, but it won't be the end of the world if you embargo us and refuse to produce for us. In fact, I and future generations of Americans would clamor to go back in time and kiss your stinky feet if you did that to us. The nation which mass produced airplanes, cars, computers and which invented the internet, would go right back to providing for ourselves. The job explosion would be utterly miraculous.
I'm sure you could manage without our import money. Yay you.
Hint: America taking care of its own for once, doesn't qualify as hating you or attacking you.
When CEOs in offshore client nations start undercutting US CEOs with lower pay, and stolen intellectual property, and start coming up with their own IP (this is how Toyota ate the Big Three automakers alive), US companies will go away because everyone from the janitor to the CEO over there, are costing foreign nations less in labor costs.
When the US CEOs lose their jobs to lower paid CEOs overseas, those 401(k)'s you hear about, will fall down and go boom. With no US companies even capable of upstarting because the rest of the world has done us a Toyota across all our industries, we'll all get used to earning third world wages and the Great Depression will be a permanent state of being for us.
In other words, if our high tech jobs continue to bleed out of the country, there won't be a country for anything to work well. Well, there'll be a country, but we'll be reduced to a third world crap hole.
Actually there won't be a country, once one of the dominant militia warlords-you-haven't-noticed-yet over here gets a hold of one of our many many many dormant nukes and decides to use it to kick the militia over yonder hill's butt in the ruthless competition for women and food. And of course someone's going to sell a few to the black market and well badebadebadebadethat's all folks!
I learned a lot of Japanese myself. Then Japan took a crap all over its working class and the Japanese rich and powerful cashed out their country's economy and shipped their jobs to Korea, etc. Nihongo wa hitsuyoo ja nai. (The Japanese language is useless now.) Now if you want to be prosperous, the foreign language to learn is Chinese. I ain't going there. In the next 5 years it might be Swahili.
Get my drift? With the world learning English because they want to sell to us primarily (but not employ us), and the corporate statist globalist goons running from one country to the next in search of cheap, disposable worker bees, the foreign language we English speaking people learn today, will be useless by tomorrow.
You guys in India are already under low wage pressure from Eastern Europe and Africa. Ain't that a crying shame.
Americans are smart. We know better than to drive a whole country to learn a foreign language when the one we learn won't be worth squat when we hit the job market.
But I didn't say that. Can't refute an argument aimed at killing an argument I didn't make.
Say hi to Pakistan for me. Assuming either of you are still around in 10 years.
Excuse me? We generate the intellectual property here, and outsource it to you. And most of that is generated by Americans. And lemme guess... "some dumb *enter nationality here*" translates to "some dumb non East Indian", right?
You racist, arrogant pricks. But then I knew this already. I talked to you guys before we ended our BPO relationship with Mumbai & Bangalore. You look down on Americans - and a lot of others in this world - but you depend on us to buy your products.
Racial outburst? Nope. But you sure as heck have it in for your women. How many baby girls have been aborted or strangled over there? Racial hatred is a monster all its own, but it doesn't light a candle against a misogynist culture that plays whack-a-mole with baby girls.
Okay, fine. If you're so much better, then build your tech industry yourself, without our help. Like we did. And yes, I know East Indians make up a large number of doctors and scientists in America, but feel free to shut them out of America if you wish. (They seem to come here more than we come there, what with all the onerous restrictions every foreign nation in the world has on immigration and work visas all that.) (You hear that, Americans? If you want to go to India or any other country to get your outsourced job back, it ain't gonna happen. But anyways.)
Oh, what's that splashing sound? It's the sound of East Indian flaming arrogance crashing into the super ultra polluted Indian Ocean.
PS: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/06/9906
Sincerely,
Some dumb *enter nationality here* citizen
The parent post is an utter and malicious lie.
I have recordings (yes, you're not supposed to do that) of several Dell support calls my wife made in which their English was terrible, their accents were quite heavy, and they stayed with scripts and did not in any way show innovation or creative thought in their attempts to fix her broken machine.
And that felgercarb about East Indians speaking better English than American call centers is pure racist bollocks. I manage a data center and we outsource rurally to a place in Oklahoma City, OK, and their English is light years superior. I ensure this, but really, I don't have to. We have people in Manhattan, some of whom come right over from Spanish Harlem, who speak better English.
Let's not get into the tech support skills.
As for attitude and rudeness, now neither side of the ocean can claim the high ground there. I've never ordered a rurally outsourced rep terminated for crappy English, but the owner of the company decided to end our Bangalore (company not spoken here) call center contract because of their unimaginative, scripted behavior, and we've fired a healthy number of Americans for being rude.
But for you to say American reps - techies, no less - have poorer English skills than East Indian reps - is horribly wrong and very, very racist.
It's like East Indian workers can do no wrong and we can do no right. Well, excuse me, but I'll vote with my money. And if the other 300 million Americans did the same, there would be no booming East India or China economy.
You globalists depend on America's money. Otherwise you wouldn't sell so much to us. At least show us some respect .
I was making fun of big business defenders who think there's no such thing as bad businesses. Only a prepubescent wouldn't notice that. :)
There are no bad businesses. Only bad labor unions.
Don't argue with me unless you want to wind up getting waterboarded in Guantanamo!
Oh wait, Rumsfeld ain't got my back no mo'. WTF OMFG I take that all back!!!
Employers had a site like that about employees?
Excuse me, but why should I be forced to let anyone do anything with my personal and private information without my consent?
Name me one security tactic that hasn't been defeated? Haven't you learned this with the RIAA and MicroSoft? Now, all your personal information would be on one card. Hack that and you no longer have your own identity. Identity thieves and Al Qaeda would have enormous interest in busting that so-called "Security".
That's because
a) You're like an ostrich, living with your head in the sand; and
b) You're ignorant of even recent history, which has repeatedly proven your principles to be dead wrong, as there hasn't been one security scheme since the dawn of the Internet, online or offline, that hasn't been cracked.
Real ID cards are machine readable. Machines can and do get counterfeited.
You live in denial, and that's just as big a mental problem as paranoia - except in 99% of all survival of the fittest scenarios, you're the first to get eaten.
May your chains set lightly.
Actually, Libertarians are usually the worst. Hear me out here.
For one, they're selfish to a fault. They would turn Scrooge into a capitalist hero. Libertarians, for the most part, don't want to pay for anything, and don't want to be forced to contribute to a functioning society.
No welfare? Come on, what civilized nation doesn't have that? They expect you to beg charity for money for a heart transplant. When you bring up corporate welfare, on the other hand, it's like "Uncle Sam, don't you take my taxes to fund Bankrupt Airline's bankruptcy bailout, if you do I'm going to count to ten, really Uncle Sam, I'm counting to one now, one and one tenth, one and two ninths, one and two sevenths... oh wait, Halliburton got a buncha no-bid contracts? More corporate welfa... hey, I have stock in Halliburton! Hooray! I'll forgive you this time, Uncle Sam!"
Libertarians on the working class: "What, you can't afford a heart transplant? Poor you. You got killed in a mine collapse? Somebody call the whaaaaaambulance! You chose to work there! You could have chosen not to work there. So what if you starve? Do you realize we have poor hungry people in China to feed? Forget the American worker, won't somebody think of the Childr... er, Chinese peasants! If you'd only been smart enough to invested in Enron, you'd be able to afford that transplant - er, wait, you lost a pile of money in Enron? Well only an idiot would have invested in Enron! Everyone knows Halliburton stock is flyin' high, baby! Rah rah corporate welfa-er, I mean the war on terror!"
Libertarians on air and water pollution: "If the confiscationalists hadn't taken steps to clean up our air and our drinking water, then big business wouldn't have moved to China! Do you want to breathe or do you want to work? Well? Aw, forget working. I made my millions selling bottled water straight outta Love Canal!"
Libertarians on workplace safety: "Everybody sing! It's my workplace, I can kill my workers if I want to, poison them if I want to, beat them if I want to!"
Dude, Libertarians support free trade with China, which by every credible form of human rights standards is orders of magnitude worse than Nazi Germany. 50 million dead baby girls vs 12 million dead Jewish people, Chinese democracy activsts vs German Catholics & gays, bullets in the back of the head at night vs concentration camps, jewish skin lamps versus political prisoners being harvested for organ donations, etc. 50 million people killed during Mao's reign vs 12 million total dead in Hitler's regime. The list goes on and on. China's shooting down test satellites while conducting cyber warfare against US sites (a clear act of war). Why are we engaged in free trade with a nation that steals our intellectual property (look up Cisco vs Huawei or Chevrolet vs the Cherry QQ) with the Government's support and then floods our market with knockoffs based on that stolen IP? China enforces atheism. I'm a God fearing man, I'd be an utter hypocrite not to oppose them, but I've never run into a so-called God fearing Libertarian (and there are a ton of those) whose tongue didn't drag behind him on his way to Wal Mart to hunt for a $25 made-in-China DVD.
Yes, I know there are extremists on all sides, and I know Liberals have equally whacked out kooks in their ranks (Al Sharpton, anyone?), but I've never met a Libertarian who didn't behave like that.
Ron Paul is a Libertarian but he doesn't come across anything remotely like his flaming nutjob peers that I've encountered.
To think that I deleted a long rant from my post above about Ron Paul! I'm clairvoyant! (Or you're psychic. Hmmm. Naw, I'm clairvoyant. That's it.)
Ron Paul is the only Congressman who voted against the USAPATRIOT Act, and if I recall, he voted against it because no one was allowed to actually see the law beforehand. That's raw integrity. He also sponsored or defended a bill to block the Government from turning to overseas outsourcing for Government work. The man apparently knows the difference between the free market and selling out America.
The dude is fairly awesome for a Libertarian. Hell, for a politician period. If I were President I would at least bring him in whenever I planned on proposing legislation. He might not be able to stop us leebruls but at least we could get some ideas on compromises that would make things more sensible.
BTW lemme throw this idea at you... how about all new laws automatically be assigned a sunset clause with three renewals required for consideration for permanency? It won't stop corrupt Congresses from renewing them, but it gives us more of a chance to remove unpopular laws. This served us well with the Brady Bill, or another one of those hideous gun control laws that Bush, during one of his few bright moments, helped shoot down -
OMFG, I'm starting to sound like a Republican...
I couldn't possibly see your comment on Democrats as being flame bait, though, and if you look at my profile I'm always making fun of Republican ideals. Hell I can't even see where your post is factually wrong.