What you're calling for is like saying we should name planets after the first people who looked at them, because they knew they were there even though they didn't know anything else about them.
I take that back, that was a crappy analogy. After all, in this situation all the gamers did was offer up CPU time towards solving the protein folding problem for this specific enzyme. They didn't even look at anything, really. They didn't even necessarily have any idea what they were actually doing with their spare CPU cycles in the grand scheme of things.
Really, the notion that they should be compensated for what they voluntarily donated is worse than suggesting that any Nobel Prize for which an acceptance speech was written in Microsoft Word should be automatically shared with Bill Gates.
I'm sure that, despite figuring out the protein structure, that the gamers won't receive any of the patent royalties that the patent will likely generate.
You do realize that the structure on its own doesn't generate royalties, right? Knowing the structure is just one step towards developing new treatments. The gamers didn't do the simulations for ligand binding and enzymatic activity; they just did the work for the static structure.
What you're calling for is like saying we should name planets after the first people who looked at them, because they knew they were there even though they didn't know anything else about them.
Hmm. Someone shows up at slashdot claiming to be a physician and can't resist spouting off the classic lines of "raise costs" "destroy healthcare", and of course the boogeyman of "labor".
What a surprise. Another random troll on slashdot.
You'd think a website for nerds with a ton of computer scientists would appreciate someone attempting to normalize such a large set of data in order to help keep it clean.
You're thinking of the slashdot that used to exist, or today exists only in dreams and memories. Sure, nerds and CSci geeks used to come here to talk about technology. Now, slashdot is just another place for conservatives to come and rant about how much they hate the government, peppered with a few suckers like myself who hope against hope that there could be some useful news buried in this site.
I can't even get my users to spell "Infrastructure" correctly, let alone expect them to enter 140,000 different kinds of injury correctly.
I'm pretty sure most record entry would be done through a menu-driven system, so spelling wouldn't matter. For example if a patient was bitten by a turtle, the provider might start under "laceration" then "animal bite" then "non-human", "non-mammal", until they reach "turtle". They would have another menu to select the body part, and other menus to designate when, where, etc. The idea is to take what could be a large degree of variability as a result of human interaction and make it consistent.
Of course in the end, because this is the USA we are talking about, your insurance company will use it to take more money from you. But the idea does have positive potential applications.
While people are beating themselves silly to denounce this as "nanny state" or "government take-over of your life", they are missing how this is useful.
This actually makes health care data more usable. They are setting in a standard ontology for records. It improves comparability across different parts of the country or parts of the population.
To take the turtle example, previously if you were interested in turtle accidents, you may have needed to look under "reptile" "turtle" "tortoise" or maybe even just "animal". For that matter some people call snapping turtles just "snappers", which of course is also a kind of fish. Now with standard coding it is easier to find quickly who is being hurt by turtles, how often, when, and where.
He stepped over the line and went from trolling to being an idiot. He should hang out here more often, some of our trolls could teach him how to do a better job next time.
Why would you bother building something like this anymore? There are so many places that will rent you cluster time on an as-needed basis, and it's cheaper to use their storage for it at the same time anyways. We were looking at building a new cluster at my work, but have been leaning more towards paying for time on a compute cloud (Amazon EC2 or similar) as it just makes more sense.
The way the summary was written, it doesn't sound like a whole lot of advance thought was put into this; what is the plan in 1,2,3, and 5 years as each different group of components sees its warranty expire? Are you buying spares already to have on had for when things break down? What about storage and data backup?
Liquid helium is impossible to get to go up in flames as it is inert and non-flammable. You are thinking of liquid hydrogen.
Actually I rather assumed that people knew Helium to indeed be non-combustible, and would recognize my post as a joke. Or, they would realize I was making fun of Texas and tag my post flamebait.
Whatever, I have karma - and a large southern state - to burn.
That makes me wonder if I could just create a college term paper creator that goes out and writes paper after paper much like the postmodernism essay generator or whatever it is called. It could look for quotes on other sites and then mangle them in 40 bazillion ways. Then i just create "blogs" that dynamically generate essay after essay, and let turnitin spider them. High school students could make use of the site as well.:)
You may recall the automatic CSci paper generator that was featured here some time ago... It could make for a decent starting point.
Some journals don't even pay their staff or even need to meet many of their business expenses. A comment by "MrBendy" here gives this interesting perspective (emphasis mine):
That isn't a huge surprise that someone was not getting paid to review articles; I know academics who do that at essentially their own cost as well.
There are indeed many problems with the system as it is. Unfortunately it is what it is because we allowed it to get this way. Which is a sad explanation for it, but it isn't going to change dramatically overnight. Personally I would have preferred to see this paper in PNAS or PLoS One (both of which are free and high impact) but the prestige is still with Nature and Science.
There are many titles that were on obsolete systems people would love to play again. Unfortunately the publishers behind those titles don't care about the people who still want to play them. Either you have to ignore the legal ramifications (you could, of course, try to challenge them in court if they actually came after you) or not do it at all. The choices aren't great, but those are about it for you.
I wonder if you own an old defunc machine, if you could legally then own a rom on a remake?
That used to be the standard disclaimer years ago. People distributing ROMs would say you needed to own the same title's hardware to legally play the ROM; essentially the boards from the cabinet (working or otherwise). Of course few people worried about that.
Now, whether or not that was adequate to claim "ownership" is another matter.
But it is like that because we've liked it that way for some time. This is changing as time goes on;
Not changing very quickly, though
For work sponsored by the US government, it is changing very quickly. I've seen numerous papers in both Nature and Science that were released at no cost because they were the product of federally sponsored work, and even far more papers are going straight into journals that release all their published papers to the public.
Of course, other countries will set the regulations they see fit for the work they pay for. And non-government-funded research has its own regulations behind it.
I've noticed their bot going through the pages on my webserver. I haven't been able to figure out how it found my site, they seem to have come out of nowhere and started going through my pages. I was considering altering my robots.txt to tell them to stay out, although now I'm wondering how far they will go - they haven't gone through nearly as many pages as google or baidu.
As is typical, the full Science articles are paywalled
Indeed, the articles in question are behind the Science paywall. But it is like that because we've liked it that way for some time. This is changing as time goes on; now all NIH-funded (read: US government-funded) research must be published in a way that allows for free access. Science, Nature, and other high-impact journals have ways to comply with that when needed.
However, the journals do need to be able to make money to pay their staff and meet their business expenses. Maybe the model doesn't fit modern times, but it is what it is.
And we are talking about the journal Science, one of the most widely subscribed journals anywhere. You might not even need to go to your closest university to read it; there is a good chance your local public library has a subscription to it as well. You may even be able to get to it online if you're creative.
... then we can probably expect the hoverboard will be made by Sony. Which will then need a memorystick in order to use - but only after you register it through your PS4. Anyone caught using a non-hovering board on any surface afterwards will be subsequently sued for patent infringement.
The link to the PDF leads to a PDF file that is 40KB big... that will hardly contain 40.000 files. And if you open it using Adobe it does crash Adobe PDF Viewer.
He might have a different version of Adobe Reader you can try if you'd like..
Interesting that the artist assigns a value of only $46,000 to the music on the hard drive. It would be interesting to know where that number came from - I presume our dear friends at the RIAA would disagree with the figure.
What you're left with is a disintegration of society as a whole including infrastructure
The infrastructure in the US is decaying rapidly as well, in a decidedly non-communist country.
I provide you examples China pre-reform but post Cultural Revolution, Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, and others I haven't mentioned yet.
That is your core problem right there, not a single one of the examples you offer are examples of true communism. They all are - or were - examples of corrupt dictatorships where someone adopted the label of "communism", "marxism", or even "socialism" to make their brand of ruling more palatable to those who might otherwise oppose it. Convincing someone that you are a revolutionary under a given ideal is not hard, even if the ideal you present is not your own. Not a single one of the examples you listed in your comment are valid examples of true communism.
I still stand by my original comment that already addresses if not supersedes your comments.
Your original comment doesn't hold water either. Laziness is not exclusive to any one political system, nor are achievement and determination.
You claimed that his message (whatever it was) was not intended for workers of larger countries, but the closing lines of The Communist Manifesto prove otherwise.
I urge you to read The Communist Manifesto before you attempt to quote it. Marx did not intend for communism to be employed for large countries or populations. You can read the Manifesto online, if you'd like; it would cost you nothing but your own time (and it's a short read).
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What you're calling for is like saying we should name planets after the first people who looked at them, because they knew they were there even though they didn't know anything else about them.
I take that back, that was a crappy analogy. After all, in this situation all the gamers did was offer up CPU time towards solving the protein folding problem for this specific enzyme. They didn't even look at anything, really. They didn't even necessarily have any idea what they were actually doing with their spare CPU cycles in the grand scheme of things.
Really, the notion that they should be compensated for what they voluntarily donated is worse than suggesting that any Nobel Prize for which an acceptance speech was written in Microsoft Word should be automatically shared with Bill Gates.
I'm sure that, despite figuring out the protein structure, that the gamers won't receive any of the patent royalties that the patent will likely generate.
You do realize that the structure on its own doesn't generate royalties, right? Knowing the structure is just one step towards developing new treatments. The gamers didn't do the simulations for ligand binding and enzymatic activity; they just did the work for the static structure.
What you're calling for is like saying we should name planets after the first people who looked at them, because they knew they were there even though they didn't know anything else about them.
Hmm. Someone shows up at slashdot claiming to be a physician and can't resist spouting off the classic lines of "raise costs" "destroy healthcare", and of course the boogeyman of "labor".
What a surprise. Another random troll on slashdot.
You'd think a website for nerds with a ton of computer scientists would appreciate someone attempting to normalize such a large set of data in order to help keep it clean.
You're thinking of the slashdot that used to exist, or today exists only in dreams and memories. Sure, nerds and CSci geeks used to come here to talk about technology. Now, slashdot is just another place for conservatives to come and rant about how much they hate the government, peppered with a few suckers like myself who hope against hope that there could be some useful news buried in this site.
I can't even get my users to spell "Infrastructure" correctly, let alone expect them to enter 140,000 different kinds of injury correctly.
I'm pretty sure most record entry would be done through a menu-driven system, so spelling wouldn't matter. For example if a patient was bitten by a turtle, the provider might start under "laceration" then "animal bite" then "non-human", "non-mammal", until they reach "turtle". They would have another menu to select the body part, and other menus to designate when, where, etc. The idea is to take what could be a large degree of variability as a result of human interaction and make it consistent.
Of course in the end, because this is the USA we are talking about, your insurance company will use it to take more money from you. But the idea does have positive potential applications.
This actually makes health care data more usable. They are setting in a standard ontology for records.
"Ontology". Isn't that about cancer?
No, that is oncology.
While people are beating themselves silly to denounce this as "nanny state" or "government take-over of your life", they are missing how this is useful.
This actually makes health care data more usable. They are setting in a standard ontology for records. It improves comparability across different parts of the country or parts of the population.
To take the turtle example, previously if you were interested in turtle accidents, you may have needed to look under "reptile" "turtle" "tortoise" or maybe even just "animal". For that matter some people call snapping turtles just "snappers", which of course is also a kind of fish. Now with standard coding it is easier to find quickly who is being hurt by turtles, how often, when, and where.
He stepped over the line and went from trolling to being an idiot. He should hang out here more often, some of our trolls could teach him how to do a better job next time.
Why would you bother building something like this anymore? There are so many places that will rent you cluster time on an as-needed basis, and it's cheaper to use their storage for it at the same time anyways. We were looking at building a new cluster at my work, but have been leaning more towards paying for time on a compute cloud (Amazon EC2 or similar) as it just makes more sense.
The way the summary was written, it doesn't sound like a whole lot of advance thought was put into this; what is the plan in 1,2,3, and 5 years as each different group of components sees its warranty expire? Are you buying spares already to have on had for when things break down? What about storage and data backup?
Liquid helium is impossible to get to go up in flames as it is inert and non-flammable. You are thinking of liquid hydrogen.
Actually I rather assumed that people knew Helium to indeed be non-combustible, and would recognize my post as a joke. Or, they would realize I was making fun of Texas and tag my post flamebait.
Whatever, I have karma - and a large southern state - to burn.
I figured it would have been impossible to keep Helium from going up in flames in Texas (along with the rest of the state).
That makes me wonder if I could just create a college term paper creator that goes out and writes paper after paper much like the postmodernism essay generator or whatever it is called. It could look for quotes on other sites and then mangle them in 40 bazillion ways. Then i just create "blogs" that dynamically generate essay after essay, and let turnitin spider them. High school students could make use of the site as well. :)
You may recall the automatic CSci paper generator that was featured here some time ago... It could make for a decent starting point.
We have Humans on Slashdot???
Who said anything about Humans?
How many slashdot users can pass the same Turing Test?
Some journals don't even pay their staff or even need to meet many of their business expenses. A comment by "MrBendy" here gives this interesting perspective (emphasis mine):
That isn't a huge surprise that someone was not getting paid to review articles; I know academics who do that at essentially their own cost as well.
There are indeed many problems with the system as it is. Unfortunately it is what it is because we allowed it to get this way. Which is a sad explanation for it, but it isn't going to change dramatically overnight. Personally I would have preferred to see this paper in PNAS or PLoS One (both of which are free and high impact) but the prestige is still with Nature and Science.
Because I was worried that EA wasn't making enough money. This should help that!
There are many titles that were on obsolete systems people would love to play again. Unfortunately the publishers behind those titles don't care about the people who still want to play them. Either you have to ignore the legal ramifications (you could, of course, try to challenge them in court if they actually came after you) or not do it at all. The choices aren't great, but those are about it for you.
I wonder if you own an old defunc machine, if you could legally then own a rom on a remake?
That used to be the standard disclaimer years ago. People distributing ROMs would say you needed to own the same title's hardware to legally play the ROM; essentially the boards from the cabinet (working or otherwise). Of course few people worried about that.
Now, whether or not that was adequate to claim "ownership" is another matter.
But it is like that because we've liked it that way for some time. This is changing as time goes on;
Not changing very quickly, though
For work sponsored by the US government, it is changing very quickly. I've seen numerous papers in both Nature and Science that were released at no cost because they were the product of federally sponsored work, and even far more papers are going straight into journals that release all their published papers to the public.
Of course, other countries will set the regulations they see fit for the work they pay for. And non-government-funded research has its own regulations behind it.
I've noticed their bot going through the pages on my webserver. I haven't been able to figure out how it found my site, they seem to have come out of nowhere and started going through my pages. I was considering altering my robots.txt to tell them to stay out, although now I'm wondering how far they will go - they haven't gone through nearly as many pages as google or baidu.
As is typical, the full Science articles are paywalled
Indeed, the articles in question are behind the Science paywall. But it is like that because we've liked it that way for some time. This is changing as time goes on; now all NIH-funded (read: US government-funded) research must be published in a way that allows for free access. Science, Nature, and other high-impact journals have ways to comply with that when needed.
However, the journals do need to be able to make money to pay their staff and meet their business expenses. Maybe the model doesn't fit modern times, but it is what it is.
And we are talking about the journal Science, one of the most widely subscribed journals anywhere. You might not even need to go to your closest university to read it; there is a good chance your local public library has a subscription to it as well. You may even be able to get to it online if you're creative.
... then we can probably expect the hoverboard will be made by Sony. Which will then need a memorystick in order to use - but only after you register it through your PS4. Anyone caught using a non-hovering board on any surface afterwards will be subsequently sued for patent infringement.
The link to the PDF leads to a PDF file that is 40KB big ... that will hardly contain 40.000 files. And if you open it using Adobe it does crash Adobe PDF Viewer.
He might have a different version of Adobe Reader you can try if you'd like..
Interesting that the artist assigns a value of only $46,000 to the music on the hard drive. It would be interesting to know where that number came from - I presume our dear friends at the RIAA would disagree with the figure.
What you're left with is a disintegration of society as a whole including infrastructure
The infrastructure in the US is decaying rapidly as well, in a decidedly non-communist country.
I provide you examples China pre-reform but post Cultural Revolution, Soviet Union, East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, and others I haven't mentioned yet.
That is your core problem right there, not a single one of the examples you offer are examples of true communism. They all are - or were - examples of corrupt dictatorships where someone adopted the label of "communism", "marxism", or even "socialism" to make their brand of ruling more palatable to those who might otherwise oppose it. Convincing someone that you are a revolutionary under a given ideal is not hard, even if the ideal you present is not your own. Not a single one of the examples you listed in your comment are valid examples of true communism.
I still stand by my original comment that already addresses if not supersedes your comments.
Your original comment doesn't hold water either. Laziness is not exclusive to any one political system, nor are achievement and determination.
You claimed that his message (whatever it was) was not intended for workers of larger countries, but the closing lines of The Communist Manifesto prove otherwise.
I urge you to read The Communist Manifesto before you attempt to quote it. Marx did not intend for communism to be employed for large countries or populations. You can read the Manifesto online, if you'd like; it would cost you nothing but your own time (and it's a short read).