He's counting on the private sector to help expand the number of graduates.
Because of course that is exactly what a hard-core fascist socialist dictator liberal atheist muslim anarchist monarch would do! Go President Lawnchair!
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
Nothing in the FAQ indicates I am wrong. And you still responds, so I am right.
I cannot force you to read the FAQ, anymore than I can force you to look at the four comments you posted here which have been moderated down.
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
20% is majority? Maybe 80% would have been absymal.
You don't need a majority to be abysmal. Your trolling is undoubtedly abysmal.
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
Did I accuse you of moderating here? I think I don't.
You accused me of being behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
So,please reply then to this post. I am not trolling when I say GM unions caused their downfall.
Actually, you are. Read the FAQ where the terms "troll" and "flamebait" are defined. You fit right in under troll.
Since when I say that you can meta-moderate any particular posting huh? Please provide a direct citation of my post saying that.
Right here, you said
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it,
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
It didn't, period.
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
Nahh..I will get any e-mail whenever I get voted on, negatively or positively, so I know where I stand.
So, you couldn't actually bother clicking on the links provided to you. Rather typical troll behavior, really.
I have posted more than 20 posts here in this thread.
Of which four have been moderated down and zero have been moderated up. Hence this month roughly 20% of your comments are being down moderated. Those are not statistics to be proud of.
my numbers is going to be excellent
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
unless you can get more people with mods point to actually downvote my posts in this thread more
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
There is this Internet saying: "Don't feed the troll".
Indeed I should stop replying but you seem to be coming unraveled, which well practiced trolls won't allow themselves to do. I am enjoying watching you decompose in front of me.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
But when comparing our IDs, it it obvious I am here before you do.
No. You can say you signed up for that account before I signed up for this account. But that says nothing about who was reading or posting here first.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
You can opt to do meta-moderation whenever you like it. AllI have to do is to bring up http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl and I can meta-moderate away. The posts are random of course.
So then you admit that you lied when you said you could meta moderate a particular part of slashdot. Thank you for helping to clear that up.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
Meta-moderation works, it is just that how you understand how it works is faulty. More below.
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
However I very highly doubt you actually clicked through to meta moderation anyways, or if you did you paid no attention to the random comments that were brought up for you. Because even going that far is enough to see some of the most glaring faults in it.
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
Or as an alternative viewpoint, because those people doesn't share your sentiments?
If that is the case, and they instead shared yours, then why is it you have four comments moderated down in here and zero moderated up?
In other words, your comments are mostly being ignored. Those that are getting attention are being properly moderated - as troll and flamebait.
And clearly, I am not the only one who sees that you are trolling here, as you have four comments in this thread currently moderated down - three as "troll" and one as "flamebait".
From my records, I only has two.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
Regular moderation affects a post scoring and also a user karma. Meta-moderation affects only karma.
And you get that from? Oh yeah, the same place you get all your "facts" from - nowhere at all. Not sure why that is a useful trolling feat for you, but you are what you are - a troll.
Now scram, troll. You have given us enough examples of trolling slashdot for this week.
Statistic doesn't lie
Hmm. Your statistics in this thread aren't looking good. Three troll mods, one flamebait, and zero positive of any sort. There is at least one person besides me who agrees that you are trolling here. And being as you meet the slashdot definition of troll (which I provided previously) there is plenty of reason for others to agree
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
I can see the UIDs well. From the UIDs, it is easily seen that I am here first way before you do. Slashdot doesn't recycle inactive UIDs. That's why I call bullshit on you.
I guess I errantly expected you were smart enough to realize that people can read and post here without UIDs, for as long as they wish. It is perfectly reasonable to read and post here arbitrarily long with no UID if you so desire, although I expect you will try to deny that as well.
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it, and it works just fine. If you want to believe what a lot of people told you, then fine.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
Furthermore if you clicked that link you would immediately realize at least a few of the glaringly obvious problems with the system.
If I were to apply the same concept as you, then many people who commented on news about the Apple union like the one at http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20070919-248/meet-the-man-who-wants-an-apple-retail-union/ also commented about how evil unions can be, with some even trotting the same GM example. Because people says so, then unions is truly evil as those people says there (and here).
No, that is not applying the same concept at all. Nice try though, troll.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
BTW, this thread has nearly 1000 comments,
Wow, you can read the three-digit number at the top of the page. Congratulations, this might be the first fact you have shared in this entire discussion.
which indicates that many people actually read it
Fail. It does not mean that at all. Hell, look at your own comment history, you have posted to this thread over 20 times already. Hence 1,000 comments could be reached with fewer than 50 trolls like you posting to it.
Surely I will have low karma by now
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
Flamebait -- Flamebait refers to comments whose sole purpose is to insult and enrage. If someone is not-so-subtly picking a fight (racial insults are a dead giveaway), it's Flamebait.
Troll -- A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll
I'm not sure if you could come up with a more ridiculous question if you tried...
The unions comes later, and they are the primary reason why it has to endure losses.
Wrong. Simply wrong. The USPS actually showed gains after the establishment of the unions. USPS started shrinking much, much later.
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
So those with lower UID# must have registered later than me. Sure makes you go hmm....
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I am paying attention on how meta-moderation works, after all, I am here before GNAA is cool and shit like that. That shit works and there are papers out there referencing the system.
No, it doesn't work. Many more people agree that it is broken than agree that it works. Have you even tried to meta moderate, ever? If you would have tried it years ago, you would know how it was supposed to work. If you then subsequently tried it more recently you would see how badly it does not work. There are so many problems with it now that the only way you could possibly claim it to work is is you have never tried it, or had no idea whatsoever of what it is supposed to accomplish. What it attempts to do right now doesn't even live up to the name.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
My karma grade indicates otherwise.
I have already explained how your karma is not related to your trolling. Besides you've posted too much jibberish to this thread to catch the attention of the main source of moderation here, and you've trolled so far deep into discussions that the odds of being moderated is damned near zero.
Don't tell me that you want to accuse that the normal moderation system is also broken?
If you think the moderation system itself to be without flaws then you aren't paying attention to that, either.
I am not accusing you of trolling; rather someone else is very heavily trolling this forum with conjecture and incomplete "information" (though it barely deserves to be called that).
The company in question did exist, and I thin kthe company itself still does (Building Technologies)
I do believe IIRC they were union at that location at least from the start.
The request was, however, for a company that was doing well with a non-union workforce initially, which was then driven under after its workforce unionized. If the company you are thinking of started with a union, then it does not fit the bill.
The company declared bankruptcy and reorganized with a non-union plant in a different state replacing the Missouri plant after they celeared their debts.
That is a very common thing to do in this country because unions have so little clout now, and there is virtually nothing to stop a company from following that path with little to no demonstrated need.
I thank you for providing more information, however it does not fit the bill as you described it. The post that I was previously replying to in this discussion was conjecturing that established companies, doing well initially, have seen unions organize afterwards and then seen themselves driven under by that alone.
Yet so far in this thread, not a single example of that has been brought forth. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I have yet to see a verified example.
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
Did I say that?
As a matter of fact, you did. By virtue of the fact that I was asking for an example of a company that meets those criteria, which you tried - and dramatically failed - to meet with these two very inaccurate answers.
You now finally admit that you were wrong to claim that label for those two companies.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Hahahaha... I'm a member of Slashdot far earlier than you
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
you don't think I don't know how meta-moderation works?
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
That's a common knowledge for any members who have been here for years (must be members for X years, and karma must be Good or higher).
That is not true. There are users who have been here less than a year who have been allowed to disable advertising.
Oh wait, you tend not to believe facts.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
You haven't explained it to me how GM unions members was paid first before creditors and shareholders. Never have. Can you quote to me where you have posted it?
If you went so far as to dig into the conversation to find my first post in this discussion, you should be able to dig far enough to find where other people explained to you why the unions were paid when they were. Of course it doesn't meet your trolling MO to do such a thing.
And I'm pretty damn sure you haven't addressed my USPS example of being an organization ruined mainly by unions (and mismanagement too of course, but as a secondary factor)
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
The meta-moderation system will take care of that. If I am trolling a lot as you implied,I will be caught for sure.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Those with bad karma cannot turn off advertising, unless you are a subscriber
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
You're reading too much into my comment. I am not calling this a good game. Hell I will probably never play it since I don't have any hardware that can run it. I'm just saying it was over-hyped and over-anticipated, and on top of that all the FPS games in the world surpassed it by several orders of technical magnitude while it was in development.
DNF fanboi I am decidedly not. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that it was guaranteed to get terrible reviews regardless of what was released.
Your refusal to explain why GM unions get paid first before creditors doesn't help matters.
That has been explained many times before. You won't believe it or accept it, because it doesn't support your trolling efforts, so it isn't worth explaining to you again.
Don't bother calling me a troll, a simple visit to the homepage will tell me that my karma is good.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
I am even allowed to turn off advertising for free.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Shoo, troll. Go back under your bridge. Come back next month and waste someone else's time.
cannot accept the fact that unions can destroy an organization huh?
You have so far failed to provide an example of it happening on its own. You can believe that it can happen, just as you can believe in the fairy godmother or the flying spaghetti monster, but that doesn't make it real.
However we have plenty of factual evidence to demonstrate that you are indeed nothing more than a troll.
DNF, when viewed as "a random stand-alone game" will inevitably be compared to the closest game to it, which makes no sense because there is no similar game to it on the market.
It would be like if GTA3 were released today, for the first time (without the previous GTA titles to set the tone in 2D). People would try to compare it to Halo, which makes no sense.
In other words, there are no stand-alone games currently. There are no games on the market that have nothing to compare to; or at least that is what every reviewer assumes. Hence you get a game like DNF, which is really more farcical in nature, and people try to find something to compare it to because that is what reviewers do.
The problem is, the game isn't trying to be like something already on the market.
The expectations for this game were way too high, as a result of how long it was in development. Even if it was the greatest game ever it would have still been a disappointment to someone. On top of that since most reviewers are used to serious FPS games they have no idea what Duke Nukem is supposed to actually be about; it isn't supposed to compete with the latest Call of Duty.
I am not familiar with this strange new definition of "winning" you are using here. If the contest is to see who can pull the most BS out of thin air and do the most thorough job of ignoring reality, then you can have that victory because it is all yours.
But if anything resembling truth or reality is to be factored in to deciding who is "winning", you could not be further from it.
However, as you are just a troll, out to waste my time, you are doing a rather good job of it. Although many trolls set out to anger people, which you are not accomplishing.
So,the fact on the ground:-
The fact on the ground is that you don't understand facts. You keep pulling nonsense out of thin air and preaching it as gospel. You keep wasting my time like the troll you are.
No, you are still just as wrong as you were before. I could show you again how you got it wrong, but you again won't listen because then you would need to find something else to troll by.
I presume you're just phoning in your troll at this point, since you had so little to say this time. Does this mean you are finally done, or are you simultaneously fighting a bad case of last-post-itis that prevents you from walking away without getting in one last word (even when you know it's wrong)?
I am impressed that you went so far as to use the quote tag this time, not many trolls bother with it.
You are the one who spout of nonsense like saying unions doesn't kill off organization.
You are the one who keeps trying - and failing - to find an example of an organization that was actually killed off by unions.
You want an example, I present you USPS
A total failure of an example, being as they are not dead. Double failure for the fact that their decline has many more factors than just the one you like to troll on about.
And perhaps you've heard of this new method of sending personal correspondence (mail) electronically? what is it called again... oh, yeah, E-MAIL. The post office doesn't make much money off of email, as far as I know. And strangely enough, the union doesn't have an effect on that lack of revenue.
If that doesn't imply you saying that USPS wasn't killed of by e-mail then I don't know what to say
Good job disqualifying yourself with a double negative there. Your troll level of reading (mis)comprehension prevents you from realizing the obvious here. I won't bother pointing it out to you, since it won't make sense to you anyways.
Hint: Throughout its history, USPS never profits on personal correspondence even in snail-mail era.
Nice work continuing to miss the point. But that's OK because you wouldn't be a troll if you knew what you were talking about.
Now go back under your bridge. I hear there may be travellers coming your way, you can waste their time too.
So, just because I don't participate in discussions for a month, it makes me a troll?
No, you're a troll because you show up once a month to waste peoples' time. You come here on rare occasions and spout off nonsense, based on posts you don't read fully and background information that you have no comprehension of.
just like your other assertion that USPS was killed by e-mail (hint: it doesn't - not by a long shot).
Here's a hint for you; I didn't say that USPS was killed by e-mail.
Of course, as a troll you won't admit that to be the case. I could link to my message and point to you exactly how I did not say what you are accusing me of, but that would make no difference.
Sir, you are a troll. You will always be a troll. You might never be a good troll, but you will always be a troll.
Like most underperforming trolls, you continue to make assertions that are not grounded in reality. If you weren't a troll I would suggest you go back and read the comments you are trying to reply to, but as you are a troll I don't have any reason to suspect you would actually do that.
Aren't you ready to leave and go back under your bridge yet? You've never made this many comments in a month here previously, let alone in a matter of days. You must be yearning for toll revenue by now...
Just keep jumping to unsupported conclusions like a troll, and maybe someday you'll be good at what you're doing. For now, you're just a pitiful junior troll here. Or perhaps under-troll would be a better description for you...
I will give you credit though, you are consistent. Consistently a bad troll, that is.
The fact that you so quickly jump to unsupported conclusions supports my statement that you are just a troll. Go back to 4chan until you learn better trolling technique; you're really quite pitiful here in comparison to our better trolls. That would be a better use of time for all of us.
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He's counting on the private sector to help expand the number of graduates.
Because of course that is exactly what a hard-core fascist socialist dictator liberal atheist muslim anarchist monarch would do! Go President Lawnchair!
XI. Though shalt not maketh Duke Nukem Forever, ever.
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
Nothing in the FAQ indicates I am wrong. And you still responds, so I am right.
I cannot force you to read the FAQ, anymore than I can force you to look at the four comments you posted here which have been moderated down.
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
20% is majority? Maybe 80% would have been absymal.
You don't need a majority to be abysmal. Your trolling is undoubtedly abysmal.
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
Did I accuse you of moderating here? I think I don't.
You accused me of being behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
So,please reply then to this post. I am not trolling when I say GM unions caused their downfall.
Actually, you are. Read the FAQ where the terms "troll" and "flamebait" are defined. You fit right in under troll.
Since when I say that you can meta-moderate any particular posting huh? Please provide a direct citation of my post saying that.
Right here, you said
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it,
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
It didn't, period.
If you read the FAQ, you could not have possibly come to that conclusion. But trolls don't read links they are provided with, and you are a troll.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
Nahh..I will get any e-mail whenever I get voted on, negatively or positively, so I know where I stand.
So, you couldn't actually bother clicking on the links provided to you. Rather typical troll behavior, really.
I have posted more than 20 posts here in this thread.
Of which four have been moderated down and zero have been moderated up. Hence this month roughly 20% of your comments are being down moderated. Those are not statistics to be proud of.
my numbers is going to be excellent
No, 20% of your comments being down moderated is generally abysmal.
unless you can get more people with mods point to actually downvote my posts in this thread more
Wow, paranoid are you? You really think I am behind the accurate moderation of your trolling comments?
There is this Internet saying: "Don't feed the troll".
Indeed I should stop replying but you seem to be coming unraveled, which well practiced trolls won't allow themselves to do. I am enjoying watching you decompose in front of me.
Scram, troll. You're not even an effective or well-composed troll. You waste time but you fail to enrage. You think you're pulling off a good trolling job but more people are laughing at you than with you.
But when comparing our IDs, it it obvious I am here before you do.
No. You can say you signed up for that account before I signed up for this account. But that says nothing about who was reading or posting here first.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
You can opt to do meta-moderation whenever you like it. AllI have to do is to bring up http://slashdot.org/metamod.pl and I can meta-moderate away. The posts are random of course.
So then you admit that you lied when you said you could meta moderate a particular part of slashdot. Thank you for helping to clear that up.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
Meta-moderation works, it is just that how you understand how it works is faulty. More below.
No, you're wrong. Meta moderation is broken, period. If you are completely clueless as to what it is supposed to do, I encourage you to read the FAQ and you will see that it is most definitely not doing what it is supposed to do.
However I very highly doubt you actually clicked through to meta moderation anyways, or if you did you paid no attention to the random comments that were brought up for you. Because even going that far is enough to see some of the most glaring faults in it.
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
Or as an alternative viewpoint, because those people doesn't share your sentiments?
If that is the case, and they instead shared yours, then why is it you have four comments moderated down in here and zero moderated up?
In other words, your comments are mostly being ignored. Those that are getting attention are being properly moderated - as troll and flamebait.
And clearly, I am not the only one who sees that you are trolling here, as you have four comments in this thread currently moderated down - three as "troll" and one as "flamebait".
From my records, I only has two.
I know, trolls don't often go back to review their own work, but I'll offer it up for you anyways:
Regular moderation affects a post scoring and also a user karma. Meta-moderation affects only karma.
And you get that from? Oh yeah, the same place you get all your "facts" from - nowhere at all. Not sure why that is a useful trolling feat for you, but you are what you are - a troll.
Now scram, troll. You have given us enough examples of trolling slashdot for this week.
Statistic doesn't lie
Hmm. Your statistics in this thread aren't looking good. Three troll mods, one flamebait, and zero positive of any sort. There is at least one person besides me who agrees that you are trolling here. And being as you meet the slashdot definition of troll (which I provided previously) there is plenty of reason for others to agree
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
I can see the UIDs well. From the UIDs, it is easily seen that I am here first way before you do. Slashdot doesn't recycle inactive UIDs. That's why I call bullshit on you.
I guess I errantly expected you were smart enough to realize that people can read and post here without UIDs, for as long as they wish. It is perfectly reasonable to read and post here arbitrarily long with no UID if you so desire, although I expect you will try to deny that as well.
I have meta-moderated wherever I liked it, and it works just fine. If you want to believe what a lot of people told you, then fine.
Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Meta-moderation is not something that you opt to do in a particular part of slashdot, nor has it ever been that way. If you click the meta-moderation link, you would know that you are given 10 random comments to meta-moderate.
Furthermore if you clicked that link you would immediately realize at least a few of the glaringly obvious problems with the system.
If I were to apply the same concept as you, then many people who commented on news about the Apple union like the one at http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20070919-248/meet-the-man-who-wants-an-apple-retail-union/ also commented about how evil unions can be, with some even trotting the same GM example. Because people says so, then unions is truly evil as those people says there (and here).
No, that is not applying the same concept at all. Nice try though, troll.
Allow me to reiterate. Meta-moderation is broken. This has been known and documented for some time. It has several substantial errors that you could easily see if you went to the meta-moderation page, and several more that you would realize if you went to it, and then read the slashdot FAQ on meta-moderation.
BTW, this thread has nearly 1000 comments,
Wow, you can read the three-digit number at the top of the page. Congratulations, this might be the first fact you have shared in this entire discussion.
which indicates that many people actually read it
Fail. It does not mean that at all. Hell, look at your own comment history, you have posted to this thread over 20 times already. Hence 1,000 comments could be reached with fewer than 50 trolls like you posting to it.
Surely I will have low karma by now
Not if very few people consider this thread to be worth moderating.
I am a troll.
Correct, you are a troll!
It isn't perfect, especially in cold articles, but it do work - http://jcmc.indiana.edu/vol10/issue2/poor.html#methods.
That is an article from 2005 that you cited. Very little of the code that runs this site currently has roots from 2005 or earlier.
Calling me a troll isn't going to work
Have you read the slashdot FAQ? In particular, it has definitions of troll and flamebait:
Flamebait -- Flamebait refers to comments whose sole purpose is to insult and enrage. If someone is not-so-subtly picking a fight (racial insults are a dead giveaway), it's Flamebait.
Troll -- A Troll is similar to Flamebait, but slightly more refined. This is a prank comment intended to provoke indignant (or just confused) responses. A Troll
So Verizon users still need to buy it from Verizon instead.
Of course, Verizon users are used to that...
Did USPS was born with a twin union in tow?
I'm not sure if you could come up with a more ridiculous question if you tried...
The unions comes later, and they are the primary reason why it has to endure losses.
Wrong. Simply wrong. The USPS actually showed gains after the establishment of the unions. USPS started shrinking much, much later.
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
So those with lower UID# must have registered later than me. Sure makes you go hmm....
Wow, you take part of a statement, and then make your own absurd statement from it. I would say it is a surprise, but no, it's just you trolling. Unless you believe that it is impossible to read and post to slashdot without a UID.
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I am paying attention on how meta-moderation works, after all, I am here before GNAA is cool and shit like that. That shit works and there are papers out there referencing the system.
No, it doesn't work. Many more people agree that it is broken than agree that it works. Have you even tried to meta moderate, ever? If you would have tried it years ago, you would know how it was supposed to work. If you then subsequently tried it more recently you would see how badly it does not work. There are so many problems with it now that the only way you could possibly claim it to work is is you have never tried it, or had no idea whatsoever of what it is supposed to accomplish. What it attempts to do right now doesn't even live up to the name.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
My karma grade indicates otherwise.
I have already explained how your karma is not related to your trolling. Besides you've posted too much jibberish to this thread to catch the attention of the main source of moderation here, and you've trolled so far deep into discussions that the odds of being moderated is damned near zero.
Don't tell me that you want to accuse that the normal moderation system is also broken?
If you think the moderation system itself to be without flaws then you aren't paying attention to that, either.
But then again we all know you are a troll.
The company in question did exist, and I thin kthe company itself still does (Building Technologies)
I do believe IIRC they were union at that location at least from the start.
The request was, however, for a company that was doing well with a non-union workforce initially, which was then driven under after its workforce unionized. If the company you are thinking of started with a union, then it does not fit the bill.
The company declared bankruptcy and reorganized with a non-union plant in a different state replacing the Missouri plant after they celeared their debts.
That is a very common thing to do in this country because unions have so little clout now, and there is virtually nothing to stop a company from following that path with little to no demonstrated need.
I thank you for providing more information, however it does not fit the bill as you described it. The post that I was previously replying to in this discussion was conjecturing that established companies, doing well initially, have seen unions organize afterwards and then seen themselves driven under by that alone.
Yet so far in this thread, not a single example of that has been brought forth. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I have yet to see a verified example.
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
Did I say that?
As a matter of fact, you did. By virtue of the fact that I was asking for an example of a company that meets those criteria, which you tried - and dramatically failed - to meet with these two very inaccurate answers.
You now finally admit that you were wrong to claim that label for those two companies.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Hahahaha... I'm a member of Slashdot far earlier than you
You cannot prove that solely with your UID. If you were more than just a petty troll you would know that.
you don't think I don't know how meta-moderation works?
If you were paying attention you would know that meta-moderation does not work. It has been broken for years, and slashdot is making no real effort to fix it.
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
That's a common knowledge for any members who have been here for years (must be members for X years, and karma must be Good or higher).
That is not true. There are users who have been here less than a year who have been allowed to disable advertising.
Oh wait, you tend not to believe facts.
Wrong again. I do believe facts, you just haven't provided any. You have instead just been trolling.
You haven't explained it to me how GM unions members was paid first before creditors and shareholders. Never have. Can you quote to me where you have posted it?
If you went so far as to dig into the conversation to find my first post in this discussion, you should be able to dig far enough to find where other people explained to you why the unions were paid when they were. Of course it doesn't meet your trolling MO to do such a thing.
And I'm pretty damn sure you haven't addressed my USPS example of being an organization ruined mainly by unions (and mismanagement too of course, but as a secondary factor)
So now you admit that indeed the USPS is not an example of a company that was doing well, then met a union and promptly decayed as a result? Thank you for admitting to being wrong, that is unusual for a troll to do.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
The meta-moderation system will take care of that. If I am trolling a lot as you implied,I will be caught for sure.
If you think metamoderation works, you are either new, or an idiot. Of course as seldom as you show up around here you might not be aware of just how broken that system is.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Those with bad karma cannot turn off advertising, unless you are a subscriber
I see no reason to believe that, given your track record for making shit up. Can you provide a source to back up that assertion, or are you just saying it because you want it to be true?
You must be new in Slashdot.
No. But you are undoubtedly a troll.
You're reading too much into my comment. I am not calling this a good game. Hell I will probably never play it since I don't have any hardware that can run it. I'm just saying it was over-hyped and over-anticipated, and on top of that all the FPS games in the world surpassed it by several orders of technical magnitude while it was in development.
DNF fanboi I am decidedly not. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that it was guaranteed to get terrible reviews regardless of what was released.
Your refusal to explain why GM unions get paid first before creditors doesn't help matters.
That has been explained many times before. You won't believe it or accept it, because it doesn't support your trolling efforts, so it isn't worth explaining to you again.
Don't bother calling me a troll, a simple visit to the homepage will tell me that my karma is good.
There are plenty of trolls with good karma, they just do a decent job of avoiding detection and moderation. You need to have a fair number of comments moderated down to achieve poor karma, and as you are not a very good troll, you don't get your trolling comments read enough for that to happen.
I am even allowed to turn off advertising for free.
Am I supposed to be impressed by that? Turning of advertising doesn't mean shit. You can probably have bad karma and still be allowed to turn of advertising.
Shoo, troll. Go back under your bridge. Come back next month and waste someone else's time.
Making shit up?
Indeed, you are.
cannot accept the fact that unions can destroy an organization huh?
You have so far failed to provide an example of it happening on its own. You can believe that it can happen, just as you can believe in the fairy godmother or the flying spaghetti monster, but that doesn't make it real.
However we have plenty of factual evidence to demonstrate that you are indeed nothing more than a troll.
the standards for a random stand-alone game
Therein lies the problem, and my point.
DNF, when viewed as "a random stand-alone game" will inevitably be compared to the closest game to it, which makes no sense because there is no similar game to it on the market.
It would be like if GTA3 were released today, for the first time (without the previous GTA titles to set the tone in 2D). People would try to compare it to Halo, which makes no sense.
In other words, there are no stand-alone games currently. There are no games on the market that have nothing to compare to; or at least that is what every reviewer assumes. Hence you get a game like DNF, which is really more farcical in nature, and people try to find something to compare it to because that is what reviewers do.
The problem is, the game isn't trying to be like something already on the market.
The expectations for this game were way too high, as a result of how long it was in development. Even if it was the greatest game ever it would have still been a disappointment to someone. On top of that since most reviewers are used to serious FPS games they have no idea what Duke Nukem is supposed to actually be about; it isn't supposed to compete with the latest Call of Duty.
So you now call as nonsense?
Since you're making shit up to waste our time, yes. That pretty much fills the definition of nonsense.
the facts will not change.
Indeed, which means you remain wrong since you are not using any.
Are you done trolling here yet for the month? You are way over your usual posting rate.
So, I am winning then.
I am not familiar with this strange new definition of "winning" you are using here. If the contest is to see who can pull the most BS out of thin air and do the most thorough job of ignoring reality, then you can have that victory because it is all yours.
But if anything resembling truth or reality is to be factored in to deciding who is "winning", you could not be further from it.
However, as you are just a troll, out to waste my time, you are doing a rather good job of it. Although many trolls set out to anger people, which you are not accomplishing.
So,the fact on the ground:-
The fact on the ground is that you don't understand facts. You keep pulling nonsense out of thin air and preaching it as gospel. You keep wasting my time like the troll you are.
No, you are still just as wrong as you were before. I could show you again how you got it wrong, but you again won't listen because then you would need to find something else to troll by.
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Troll, troll, troll your boat
I presume you're just phoning in your troll at this point, since you had so little to say this time. Does this mean you are finally done, or are you simultaneously fighting a bad case of last-post-itis that prevents you from walking away without getting in one last word (even when you know it's wrong)?
I am impressed that you went so far as to use the quote tag this time, not many trolls bother with it.
You are the one who spout of nonsense like saying unions doesn't kill off organization.
You are the one who keeps trying - and failing - to find an example of an organization that was actually killed off by unions.
You want an example, I present you USPS
A total failure of an example, being as they are not dead. Double failure for the fact that their decline has many more factors than just the one you like to troll on about.
And perhaps you've heard of this new method of sending personal correspondence (mail) electronically? what is it called again ... oh, yeah, E-MAIL. The post office doesn't make much money off of email, as far as I know. And strangely enough, the union doesn't have an effect on that lack of revenue.
If that doesn't imply you saying that USPS wasn't killed of by e-mail then I don't know what to say
Good job disqualifying yourself with a double negative there. Your troll level of reading (mis)comprehension prevents you from realizing the obvious here. I won't bother pointing it out to you, since it won't make sense to you anyways.
Hint: Throughout its history, USPS never profits on personal correspondence even in snail-mail era.
Nice work continuing to miss the point. But that's OK because you wouldn't be a troll if you knew what you were talking about.
Now go back under your bridge. I hear there may be travellers coming your way, you can waste their time too.
So, just because I don't participate in discussions for a month, it makes me a troll?
No, you're a troll because you show up once a month to waste peoples' time. You come here on rare occasions and spout off nonsense, based on posts you don't read fully and background information that you have no comprehension of.
just like your other assertion that USPS was killed by e-mail (hint: it doesn't - not by a long shot).
Here's a hint for you; I didn't say that USPS was killed by e-mail.
Of course, as a troll you won't admit that to be the case. I could link to my message and point to you exactly how I did not say what you are accusing me of, but that would make no difference.
Sir, you are a troll. You will always be a troll. You might never be a good troll, but you will always be a troll.
Like most underperforming trolls, you continue to make assertions that are not grounded in reality. If you weren't a troll I would suggest you go back and read the comments you are trying to reply to, but as you are a troll I don't have any reason to suspect you would actually do that.
Aren't you ready to leave and go back under your bridge yet? You've never made this many comments in a month here previously, let alone in a matter of days. You must be yearning for toll revenue by now...
Just keep jumping to unsupported conclusions like a troll, and maybe someday you'll be good at what you're doing. For now, you're just a pitiful junior troll here. Or perhaps under-troll would be a better description for you...
I will give you credit though, you are consistent. Consistently a bad troll, that is.
The fact that you so quickly jump to unsupported conclusions supports my statement that you are just a troll. Go back to 4chan until you learn better trolling technique; you're really quite pitiful here in comparison to our better trolls. That would be a better use of time for all of us.