We use these babies to clean the intertubes for a few dollars per mile.
"...an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially."
- Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska
Your argument goes like this: Name one person who has been attacked by a bear. If you cant, then nobody has ever been attacked by a bear.
I understand that it may be a rare and for the average person an unlikely event, but none the less, certificates can become compromised one way or another.[You seemed to have dropped this line]
No. It doesn't. There is a difference between 'could possibly happen in theory', and 'has happened before'. Bear attacks have happened and there are plenty of examples of such attacks, but if there are no examples of something having happened then it must at least be unlikely, and perhaps has never happened before, in which case it's just speculation.
I stand corrected, there have been numerous reports on bear attacks. On the subject we where really discussing, do you think it is impossible to subvert the certificate system if you have the resources of a nation behind you (think NSA)? (And no, I never mentioned communicating with my bank, other people did that).
Sadly you are quite right. My thought was more of a "how it should be" than a true reflection on human behaviour and what will happen in real society.
What I meant was actually giving the soldiers on the ground a mandate to think. (I know, I know, then they would not be there). If soldiers are allowed to not follow orders on certain grounds and with an AI/commander giving orders based on logic, less evil would come out of war. If soldiers could document their situation (video camera) they would also stand a chance to refuse.
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The average nazi soldier did not have the right of veto. I know that there where a lot of people who did what they did because they where true nazis, but the rest of them would be threatened by death if they did not follow orders during war. I believe most armies have similar setups today.
When I was in the military myself (not volontary where I come from), we heard all this wonderfull talk about the moral duties of the soldier, of being able to refuse to follow imoral orders. The comical thing is that you will be killed if you do not follow orders during war.
These are two opposing ideas, but it is military newspeak and hence they do not oppose eachother. You will be killed if you do not follow orders during war, and you must oppose imoral orders. Hence you will be killed by your own side when your commander gives you an imoral order. Nothing new really, but to me it always seemed more fair if the guy givning the imoral order was killed.
The military just ignore the flaws of their logic and once you are dead there is no problem.
Can you cite any examples of a case where a certificate has been subverted in this way?
Why would he need this for his argument? Your argument goes like this: Name one person who has been attacked by a bear. If you cant, then nobody has ever been attacked by a bear.
I understand that it may be a rare and for the average person an unlikely event, but none the less, certificates can become compromised one way or another.
I'm pretty sure you are talking out of your arse. Unless you can cite some examples of a big name company (eg a major bank) having had their certificate subverted in this way, and not having said certificate revoked almost immediately, i'll stick with what works thanks.
Do you absolutely trust Verisign? Do you trust Verisign not to cooperate with the US government? Would you trust a new certificate authority in Russia, and would you trust them not to cooperate with the Russian government? Before you say that there is no such Russian authority, remember that the rest of the world relies on US certificate authorities.
No, an unhealthy life does not guarantee you dying young and since not all the good die young, it just follows that it CAN be good to live an unhealthy life.
I think that Skynet should give orders to humans on the battlefield, instead of the other way around.
That way you have logical commanders (without prestige and a need for revenge) and humans on the ground with the right to moral veto before implementing the orders.
Well, except for the USA ... and except for Sweden of course with the recent FRA-law
Regeringsformen, chapter 6 paragraph 2[Swedish]
"It is every citizens right to be protected against having to reveal ones opinions politically, religiously, culturally or in any similar area."
It is very hard to translate this to the letter, but I hope you do get the general intent of the law. FRA can not listen legally to its citizens, thereby revealing the citizens opinions on matters of politics, religion, culture and other areas. "Regeringsformen" trumps any other law since it is what we call a foundation law[Swedish]
They are not trying to circumvent any law. I think TPB are just taking preventive meassures to ensure the privacy of their users, just in case FRA decides to share some information with the music/film industry.
No, there are no laws in Sweden against encryption yet and I have not heard of any making their way through parliament.
Dont blame the government for buying supercomputers using a percentage of your hard earned money to ensure they can listen in on your private conversations.
Or perhaps you should blame them and make listening in really hard?
There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary notation, those who do not, which gets the total up to 8. Then there is of course people similar in character to mr Johnsson from across the street. But wait, thats just 9?
The greatest cause of churn (except for really awful services / products) has to be the companies that dont give a damn about you as a loyal customer and give all rebates and freebies to new customers. The second you leave for some other supplier the old supplier contacts you with all kinds of offers (all kinds I tell you). Talk about teaching your customers to change suppliers often.
A similar example is the morning paper that my girlfriend subscribes to. She has been a loyal customers for years, but they keep trying to convince me to start subscribing (for less money - and I will also get a useless "summer bag")
In the short term, they will increase some "significant" number, but in the long term they are ruining their own reputation.
I'll see your prediction and raise with the prediction of paper money disapearing ASAP. They are so hard to track, and lets face it, if you've got nothing to hide, you might as well pay using plastic.
"how do you ensure this system will not be abused"
Don't you get it? You can't and sooner or later it will be (if you have such a system).
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I wonder why FRA can not just do what they used to - keeping track of russian military movements? When did the swedish public become as frightening to our government as the Soviet Union was in the 1980:s?
As long as the key can be downloaded in a non standard way you are safe, at least from FRA and NSA like analysis. Your key can basically be as long as you'd like if you use symetric encryption.
As long as a machine travling through your messages can not tell where to also download the key and that they would need to use a human analyst to get the key it will cost too much to decrypt your messages.
This is similar in practice to how Slashdot handle s AC's. You need to look at an image that is very easy for humans, but very hard and costly for machines.
You have just made an excellent example without knowing it. Imagine someone who reads your post and is just a little bit unsure if sweden really is that socialistic singularity of evil (well it cant be an axis if we are alone).
They can either take your word for it and just assume that Sweden is a completly authoritarian socialist society with the police sending wealthy people to prison, neighbours being chased down the street for turning up in a Lexus
or... they can look up information... but would you really like to look up information regarding socialists (or where they communists?)... I dont think so, you would not like anyone at NSA thinking you are a socialist would you? Stay away from certain things, dont think and you'll be safe.
It is obvious you dont now anything about Sweden so why comment? We had laws in this country protecting the individual before your continent was even discovered (Alsnö stadga - 1280AD). One of the reasons this terrible law even made it into the international news was that we where shocked, it was completly against our traditions as a free market democracy with a bit of what you call socialism: healthcare is free for anyone. School is free even at college/university level.
I suppose this is bad, but as a conservative voter myself, I actually think that the people who are poor... they should also be able to send their kids to good schools. You should not be forced into poverty just because your parents where poor or alcoholics or whatever. (I understand that not everyone calls this socialism, but for some reason, I assume you will)
The proponents did actually use the US as an example (look, they are already doing it).
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I did suggest we should take up waterboarding as our national sport, but for some reason this was not a well liked suggestion.
(You can be sure the world is fucked when it is common for people to know the name of "a popular way of torture")
Slashdot Mirror
We use these babies to clean the intertubes for a few dollars per mile.
"...an Internet was sent by my staff at 10 o'clock in the morning on Friday, I got it yesterday [Tuesday]. Why? Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the Internet commercially." - Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska
Yes, thanks, I survived.
Prove it---
How do we know you're not Mel Torme?
No. It doesn't. There is a difference between 'could possibly happen in theory', and 'has happened before'. Bear attacks have happened and there are plenty of examples of such attacks, but if there are no examples of something having happened then it must at least be unlikely, and perhaps has never happened before, in which case it's just speculation.
I stand corrected, there have been numerous reports on bear attacks. On the subject we where really discussing, do you think it is impossible to subvert the certificate system if you have the resources of a nation behind you (think NSA)? (And no, I never mentioned communicating with my bank, other people did that).Sadly you are quite right. My thought was more of a "how it should be" than a true reflection on human behaviour and what will happen in real society.
What I meant was actually giving the soldiers on the ground a mandate to think. (I know, I know, then they would not be there). If soldiers are allowed to not follow orders on certain grounds and with an AI/commander giving orders based on logic, less evil would come out of war. If soldiers could document their situation (video camera) they would also stand a chance to refuse.
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The average nazi soldier did not have the right of veto. I know that there where a lot of people who did what they did because they where true nazis, but the rest of them would be threatened by death if they did not follow orders during war. I believe most armies have similar setups today.
When I was in the military myself (not volontary where I come from), we heard all this wonderfull talk about the moral duties of the soldier, of being able to refuse to follow imoral orders. The comical thing is that you will be killed if you do not follow orders during war.
These are two opposing ideas, but it is military newspeak and hence they do not oppose eachother. You will be killed if you do not follow orders during war, and you must oppose imoral orders. Hence you will be killed by your own side when your commander gives you an imoral order. Nothing new really, but to me it always seemed more fair if the guy givning the imoral order was killed.
The military just ignore the flaws of their logic and once you are dead there is no problem.
Why does Alice have this obsessive need to talk to Bob? :-)
O'Reilly Open Source Convention 2007 - 5 minutes
Can you cite any examples of a case where a certificate has been subverted in this way?
Why would he need this for his argument? Your argument goes like this: Name one person who has been attacked by a bear. If you cant, then nobody has ever been attacked by a bear.I understand that it may be a rare and for the average person an unlikely event, but none the less, certificates can become compromised one way or another.
I'm pretty sure you are talking out of your arse. Unless you can cite some examples of a big name company (eg a major bank) having had their certificate subverted in this way, and not having said certificate revoked almost immediately, i'll stick with what works thanks.
Do you absolutely trust Verisign? Do you trust Verisign not to cooperate with the US government? Would you trust a new certificate authority in Russia, and would you trust them not to cooperate with the Russian government? Before you say that there is no such Russian authority, remember that the rest of the world relies on US certificate authorities.
No, an unhealthy life does not guarantee you dying young and since not all the good die young, it just follows that it CAN be good to live an unhealthy life.
No, actually I think it is a combination of blue balls and vodka.
I think that Skynet should give orders to humans on the battlefield, instead of the other way around.
That way you have logical commanders (without prestige and a need for revenge) and humans on the ground with the right to moral veto before implementing the orders.
Well, except for the USA
... and except for Sweden of course with the recent FRA-law
Regeringsformen, chapter 6 paragraph 2[Swedish]
"It is every citizens right to be protected against having to reveal ones opinions politically, religiously, culturally or in any similar area."
It is very hard to translate this to the letter, but I hope you do get the general intent of the law. FRA can not listen legally to its citizens, thereby revealing the citizens opinions on matters of politics, religion, culture and other areas. "Regeringsformen" trumps any other law since it is what we call a foundation law[Swedish]
There are 10 types of people in the world; those who understand binary notation and those who call you all the time with "windows questions".
They are not trying to circumvent any law. I think TPB are just taking preventive meassures to ensure the privacy of their users, just in case FRA decides to share some information with the music/film industry.
No, there are no laws in Sweden against encryption yet and I have not heard of any making their way through parliament.
Dont blame the government for buying supercomputers using a percentage of your hard earned money to ensure they can listen in on your private conversations.
Or perhaps you should blame them and make listening in really hard?
There are 10 kinds of people. Those who understand binary notation, those who do not, which gets the total up to 8. Then there is of course people similar in character to mr Johnsson from across the street. But wait, thats just 9?
The greatest cause of churn (except for really awful services / products) has to be the companies that dont give a damn about you as a loyal customer and give all rebates and freebies to new customers. The second you leave for some other supplier the old supplier contacts you with all kinds of offers (all kinds I tell you). Talk about teaching your customers to change suppliers often.
A similar example is the morning paper that my girlfriend subscribes to. She has been a loyal customers for years, but they keep trying to convince me to start subscribing (for less money - and I will also get a useless "summer bag")
In the short term, they will increase some "significant" number, but in the long term they are ruining their own reputation.
Why do the Navajo write it in code?
I can write it, I just cant read it.
I'll see your prediction and raise with the prediction of paper money disapearing ASAP. They are so hard to track, and lets face it, if you've got nothing to hide, you might as well pay using plastic.
"how do you ensure this system will not be abused"
Don't you get it? You can't and sooner or later it will be (if you have such a system).
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I wonder why FRA can not just do what they used to - keeping track of russian military movements? When did the swedish public become as frightening to our government as the Soviet Union was in the 1980:s?
As long as the key can be downloaded in a non standard way you are safe, at least from FRA and NSA like analysis. Your key can basically be as long as you'd like if you use symetric encryption.
As long as a machine travling through your messages can not tell where to also download the key and that they would need to use a human analyst to get the key it will cost too much to decrypt your messages.
This is similar in practice to how Slashdot handle s AC's. You need to look at an image that is very easy for humans, but very hard and costly for machines.
Encryption strenght : 128 bits
FRA 1 point, RELAKKS 0 points
Although not a bad idea they need stronger encryption to actually matter
Yes, swedish socialists untie :-)
You have just made an excellent example without knowing it. Imagine someone who reads your post and is just a little bit unsure if sweden really is that socialistic singularity of evil (well it cant be an axis if we are alone).
They can either take your word for it and just assume that Sweden is a completly authoritarian socialist society with the police sending wealthy people to prison, neighbours being chased down the street for turning up in a Lexus
or... they can look up information... but would you really like to look up information regarding socialists (or where they communists?)... I dont think so, you would not like anyone at NSA thinking you are a socialist would you? Stay away from certain things, dont think and you'll be safe.
It is obvious you dont now anything about Sweden so why comment? We had laws in this country protecting the individual before your continent was even discovered (Alsnö stadga - 1280AD). One of the reasons this terrible law even made it into the international news was that we where shocked, it was completly against our traditions as a free market democracy with a bit of what you call socialism: healthcare is free for anyone. School is free even at college/university level.
I suppose this is bad, but as a conservative voter myself, I actually think that the people who are poor... they should also be able to send their kids to good schools. You should not be forced into poverty just because your parents where poor or alcoholics or whatever. (I understand that not everyone calls this socialism, but for some reason, I assume you will)
Yes, listen to this AC and wala - your appearance is that of the cultured.
The proponents did actually use the US as an example (look, they are already doing it).
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I did suggest we should take up waterboarding as our national sport, but for some reason this was not a well liked suggestion.
(You can be sure the world is fucked when it is common for people to know the name of "a popular way of torture")