According to the article (and its links), the programs root the phone and bypass the application sandbox, so while there is some user culpability here, it is also a mark on the Android OS security model.
I never said they were exclusive, but parent was implying "surely things on this list are dangerous, even lead is on there" when, in fact, lead's status as a carcinogen is far from certain. We know that its a toxic heavy metal, but thats not really relevant to the discussion.
Microwave radiation is not "known to be hazardous" in any way that infra-red isnt-- it heats stuff up. We currently aim microwaves at people for riot suppression and whatnot-- its called Active Denial System, and its not known to cause any effects other than making you uncomfortably warm (130F).
We call them ultra violet waves.
And I might be skeptical of that too, if we didnt understand the mechanism whereby they cause harm, and if we didnt also have scores of studies showing a strong link. We have neither with either microwave or radio emissions.
We have no idea what causes these supposed effects, and certainly it doesnt have a direct correlation with energy level (as visible light has a much higher energy level); what makes you think intensity has anything to do with it?
If the radiation is harmful, then it will be harmful at any intensity.
Microwaves arent terribly likely to cause cancer either. They heat things up, and can potentially cause electric arcing between metals, but theyre certainly not ionizing.
Are you aware that incandescent lightbulbs give off intense radiation between 400 and 700nm, and that often these devices are used in the vicinity of growing infants? And that this radiation is far more energetic than radio emissions? Oh the humanity.
Still noone has offered up any clue as to how this effect could possibly work when the only biological effects of radio emissions seem to be thermal in nature. Not that if we had some brand new study showing a strong correlation that wouldnt be worth looking into, but in the absence of either a correlation or a known causative factor, Im going to remain a bit skeptical.
Forgive my ignorance, does lead actually cause cancer? It was my understanding it simply screwed up your nervous system; the wikipedia article on it doesnt mention "cancer" or "carcinogen" once.
So possibly thats a good point to make-- lead is on there, despite not really being recognized as a cancer causer.
It might be a read-only cache (that is, not a write-cache). Absent further details, it seems rather unnecessary to automatically assume the worst, least reliable implementation when there are other implementations that offer benefits with no drawbacks.
Granted, but you DID state that "The US' actions seem more vile in this light" which is what I took issue with-- however bad things may seem here, theyre still way better than they are over there.
As for some of your examples of censorship...
even in US history. Secret information, people getting arrested for leaking it (anyone remember Mannings?),
Manning was part of the military, and had a clearance. He took an oath (probably several) not to reveal the information he had. Lets put it another way-- is it censorship that Wikileaks keeps its sources secret? I understand they use NDAs there with binding legal clauses....
the whole "security of the nation" thing.
Some censorship really is necessary sometimes-- what if some enterprising young NY Times journalist had gotten wind of the Op to kill Bin Laden? Should we just have let him publish a report, military personnel be damned?
These people "upset" that social peace and thus are a threat to the nation.
Im not convinced thats true. Certainly thats what the government wants everyone to think, but certainly the student protests in the 90s (Tiananmen) and protests since indicate that thats not entirely true. It seems to me that any calm there is is because the people know how the government reacts to such protests; but I dont think you can rely on them tolerating more and more for the sake of "peace and quiet".
It doesnt. There is no constitutional right (if you can talk of such a thing) to have mastercard process your payments. They have the right to do business with whoever they want, and to deny business. Refusing to do business with customers is a right that businesses have, so long as they do not segregate "...on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." (Federal civil rights act).
Deciding that they do not like the antics of another company is certainly their right, and I fail to recognize a good argument that it should be otherwise.
If theyre smart theyll have a SATA drive connected to the pcie board with a mounting bracket and a sata connector, and presumably you COULD remove the drive.
Cache is not a place you move data. Cache is a place data is copied so that subsequent reads are faster; the data remains on the old drive. Presumably you could also use it as a write-cache as you mentioned, but that isnt necessary and I doubt they would go that route--I would assume that writes would be cached to the main drive's built in cache, and then flushed to disk (there really isnt a reason to have a 60GB drive for write cache when you have 32mb built into the HDD, under a normal desktop load....).
Writes are rarely ever a bottleneck on desktops under any workload I've heard of. Its mostly reads that slow the computer up, AFAICT.
Don't like stem cell research because it is an affront to God? Don't like genetics research because it isn't natural?.....There is no stopping science.
Complete non-sequitur. The reason people are against stem-cell research-- and not even ALL stem-cell research, just one form (embryonic)-- is because of the belief that embryos are as fully human as you or I, and that humans are being killed.
To put the argument another way, I rather doubt you would be standing on the sidelines giving approval to Japanese or German medical experiments on prisoners in WWII; everyone seemed to soundly condemn them and the history books dont report many people crying "but the science!" Some discoveries just arent worth it, and if embryos can in fact be considered human, then such research should by all means be stopped.
If of course you have some metric whereby we can show where "human worth" begins, by all means feel free to step in and end this controversy with wisdom.
They can't afford college, and are trying to save up enough so they can go there.
I do not want to be insensitive. But I can speak to my own experience.
I basically got an interest free loan from my parents for a technical school, which I believe I paid off during the time I was at school-- I think I finished it all off less than a year later. I did this working at a restaurant while taking classes. It was also not the cheapest school option-- it was probably about $500 per credit hour, where I could have actually done it for 1/5th of that and not even needed a loan. And im fairly certain you can get similar terms with a student loan if your parents cant cover you.
I am once again attending school on a modest salary and paying my own way, doing one class at a time. The cost is absolutely minimal-- about $400 per class, 3 classes a year, and it gets you a hefty tax break so its not even $400 (probably more like $200).
Now granted I am not going to yale here, Im going to a state school, and guess what-- thats OK. I dont feel a need to plant myself firmly into debt here, and I really dont see how anyone except those working at fast food and not living @ home have a reason to cry "school's too expensive". Even if you live in a state where rent is high, and schools dont have good instate rates, guess what-- this is the US, and youre free to move to and establish residency in a much cheaper state. For instance, you could move to Harrisonburg, Va and get housing (craigslist shows $270/mo apartment), and attend JMU with rates of $4000 per semester. A modest earnings of $15000 a year (doable as a waiter) could cover your apartment, a years tuition, and food.
Really, I dont understand people who say "I cant afford it", unless they are married or stuck under a mountain of debt.
At the time it seemed they were doing this mainly based on allegations of illegal actions by Assange, the primary face for Wikileaks, but not Wikileaks. There were rather groundless assertions by the US that Wikileaks had done something illegal, but nothing that could really hold water. So, people saw Anonymous attacks on those corporate entities as justified
Visa / mastercard provide a service in their line of business. As far as Im concerned, theyre well within their rights to decide they want nothing to do with wikileaks because they dont approve of their antics. No laws were broken, and who the heck are you to tell them they need to process payments for someone?
Oh, now I've been hit, by the ultimate argument. "Don't like what $country_A does? Move to $country_B where it's so much worse!"
Im saying that if youre going to comment in an article on China about how much worse the US is, you should probably move out of the US. Im also remarking that I think you lack all perspective when you start claiming that speech in the US is worse off than in China because of copyright.
If you want to have a serious discussion about how to fix the very real problems in the US, thats fine. Just dont go claiming that China has more free speech than the US, because thats absolutely not true.
Lithium fire [youtube.com] - no water involved, but the fire seems quite hot and very dangerous
Thats a Li-ion battery; not the same thing as elemental lithium. Perhaps you should read up on just how a Li-ion battery differs from a pile of lithium. Protip, you can generally handle it with your bare hands so long as theyre not super moist, and it certainly doesnt spontaneously combust into concrete-disolving fires. I know, because when I was younger I tossed a pile of lithium into my toilet for kicks, and while it stank the place up and probably wouldnt have been healthy to inhale the fumes, it certainly didnt do any damage to the toilet.
because iron pyrites contain iron. Iron is an industrial metal and it corrodes
Pyrite is NOT the same thing as iron, it is a different chemical (FeS2) entirely and thus does not corrode in the same way as iron. You cant just assume because something contains gold, for example, that it is necessarily immune to corrosion, nor that because something contains iron that it necessarily rusts. So while pyrite (which does appear to succumb to rust) might not be the best option, you never answered why it couldnt be something else non-elemental.
that's just a strange question. Why would I want to put money into a product, so I can sell it for money, it makes no sense.
Um, we do that with gold all the time. Fillings, electrical contacts, corrosion-resisting platings, etc. We do it with silver as well, and platinum, and titanium, and iridium, and osmium, and any of the other elements you might want to use as money.
There are a few uses, but they are irrelevant, given that there is relatively small amount of gold in existence and it's still not used up for anything industrial.
Theres even less osmium, and we use them in ball point pen tips (due to their high hardness).
salt is not money, but it can be used for barter. It's not money, because people consume it and it can be destroyed - it goes bad.
Um, salt is REALLY stable last time I checked; it can be dissolved, but I am not aware of it undergoing any chemical changes with less than substantial input of energy (that is, reactions involving salt are, AFAIK, endothermic).
If there is a way to find pieces of the metal, it can be reclaimed.
Gold can be physically lost, and then that money is lost to society. Paper money can be reprinted. And again, gold is not the only substance which meets your needs; there are many alloys which could potentially work, platinum could work, etc. You have arbitrarily declared gold as "the best" despite all these other candidates.
you can have even a credit card backed up by goats, not gold, but this will never happen precisely because there are so many other uses for a goat
No, it will never happen because the per-volume and per-weight value of a goat is really really really low compared to a US 1 dollar bill. And guess what, gold does too, which is why you dont have many banks that will store gold bars any more (safety deposit not withstanding).
recognized easily by anybody (who would recognize osmium as osmium if you showed it to them? It could be any alloy, how do you test it?)
Lots and lots of folks were fooled by Fools Gold (aka pyrite); even searching online you will find people with chunks of it that they thought were real gold. Sure, there are chemical tests you can perform, but the same is true of osmium, and osmium is a bit easier to prove than gold-- just bathe it in some aqua regia (i believe a mix of hydrochloric and nitric acids), which will dissolve pretty much anything except osmium and a few other really resistant metals. Other than that, how would YOU test something to be sure its gold?
Actually the actions of the US seem more vile in this light. China censors with the fear of a national uprise, something that might endanger the nation. The US censor already when the revenue of a rather insignificant company is threatened. Personally, I'd consider the latter worse
Then move there, and enjoy your reeducation-by-labor camps.
I guess for some people any article is an excuse to lament how terrible life is in one of the richest and freest countries in the world. Had it occured to you how whiney and petty your complaints might sound to those in Inner Mongolia, or to Liu Xiaobo, or to any of the folks who tried to protest during the Olympics?
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Yes, well, google should have installed antivirus on the several hundred million home PCs you seem to think theyre responsible for.
Data show that having children decreases happiness.
You have data? Does it show a correlation, or a causation (perhaps the parents need to refine their methods or their attitudes)?
According to the article (and its links), the programs root the phone and bypass the application sandbox, so while there is some user culpability here, it is also a mark on the Android OS security model.
I never said they were exclusive, but parent was implying "surely things on this list are dangerous, even lead is on there" when, in fact, lead's status as a carcinogen is far from certain. We know that its a toxic heavy metal, but thats not really relevant to the discussion.
Microwave radiation is not "known to be hazardous" in any way that infra-red isnt-- it heats stuff up. We currently aim microwaves at people for riot suppression and whatnot-- its called Active Denial System, and its not known to cause any effects other than making you uncomfortably warm (130F).
We call them ultra violet waves.
And I might be skeptical of that too, if we didnt understand the mechanism whereby they cause harm, and if we didnt also have scores of studies showing a strong link. We have neither with either microwave or radio emissions.
We have no idea what causes these supposed effects, and certainly it doesnt have a direct correlation with energy level (as visible light has a much higher energy level); what makes you think intensity has anything to do with it?
If the radiation is harmful, then it will be harmful at any intensity.
Er, what makes you think bluetooth isnt giving radiation as well, or that it doesnt operate in the 2.4ghz range?
Visible and infra-red light cause more heating, and those are all around us at all times.
Microwaves arent terribly likely to cause cancer either. They heat things up, and can potentially cause electric arcing between metals, but theyre certainly not ionizing.
Are you aware that incandescent lightbulbs give off intense radiation between 400 and 700nm, and that often these devices are used in the vicinity of growing infants? And that this radiation is far more energetic than radio emissions? Oh the humanity.
Still noone has offered up any clue as to how this effect could possibly work when the only biological effects of radio emissions seem to be thermal in nature. Not that if we had some brand new study showing a strong correlation that wouldnt be worth looking into, but in the absence of either a correlation or a known causative factor, Im going to remain a bit skeptical.
Forgive my ignorance, does lead actually cause cancer? It was my understanding it simply screwed up your nervous system; the wikipedia article on it doesnt mention "cancer" or "carcinogen" once.
So possibly thats a good point to make-- lead is on there, despite not really being recognized as a cancer causer.
It might be a read-only cache (that is, not a write-cache). Absent further details, it seems rather unnecessary to automatically assume the worst, least reliable implementation when there are other implementations that offer benefits with no drawbacks.
It is totally incomprehensible that a trip to the hospital in an ambulance will cost you over 1000USD.
Lots of good stuff in your post, but this is wrong. I took a trip in an ambulance a year ago due to a fall, and the bill was about $120.
The post started out
It's more abhorrent since it's a medical test.
No, not really.
How is that NOT rationalizing it?
Granted, but you DID state that "The US' actions seem more vile in this light" which is what I took issue with-- however bad things may seem here, theyre still way better than they are over there.
As for some of your examples of censorship...
even in US history. Secret information, people getting arrested for leaking it (anyone remember Mannings?),
Manning was part of the military, and had a clearance. He took an oath (probably several) not to reveal the information he had. Lets put it another way-- is it censorship that Wikileaks keeps its sources secret? I understand they use NDAs there with binding legal clauses....
the whole "security of the nation" thing.
Some censorship really is necessary sometimes-- what if some enterprising young NY Times journalist had gotten wind of the Op to kill Bin Laden? Should we just have let him publish a report, military personnel be damned?
These people "upset" that social peace and thus are a threat to the nation.
Im not convinced thats true. Certainly thats what the government wants everyone to think, but certainly the student protests in the 90s (Tiananmen) and protests since indicate that thats not entirely true. It seems to me that any calm there is is because the people know how the government reacts to such protests; but I dont think you can rely on them tolerating more and more for the sake of "peace and quiet".
It doesnt. There is no constitutional right (if you can talk of such a thing) to have mastercard process your payments. They have the right to do business with whoever they want, and to deny business. Refusing to do business with customers is a right that businesses have, so long as they do not segregate "...on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin." (Federal civil rights act).
Deciding that they do not like the antics of another company is certainly their right, and I fail to recognize a good argument that it should be otherwise.
If theyre smart theyll have a SATA drive connected to the pcie board with a mounting bracket and a sata connector, and presumably you COULD remove the drive.
Cache is not a place you move data. Cache is a place data is copied so that subsequent reads are faster; the data remains on the old drive. Presumably you could also use it as a write-cache as you mentioned, but that isnt necessary and I doubt they would go that route--I would assume that writes would be cached to the main drive's built in cache, and then flushed to disk (there really isnt a reason to have a 60GB drive for write cache when you have 32mb built into the HDD, under a normal desktop load....).
Writes are rarely ever a bottleneck on desktops under any workload I've heard of. Its mostly reads that slow the computer up, AFAICT.
Don't like stem cell research because it is an affront to God? Don't like genetics research because it isn't natural?.....There is no stopping science.
Complete non-sequitur. The reason people are against stem-cell research-- and not even ALL stem-cell research, just one form (embryonic)-- is because of the belief that embryos are as fully human as you or I, and that humans are being killed.
To put the argument another way, I rather doubt you would be standing on the sidelines giving approval to Japanese or German medical experiments on prisoners in WWII; everyone seemed to soundly condemn them and the history books dont report many people crying "but the science!" Some discoveries just arent worth it, and if embryos can in fact be considered human, then such research should by all means be stopped.
If of course you have some metric whereby we can show where "human worth" begins, by all means feel free to step in and end this controversy with wisdom.
They can't afford college, and are trying to save up enough so they can go there.
I do not want to be insensitive. But I can speak to my own experience.
I basically got an interest free loan from my parents for a technical school, which I believe I paid off during the time I was at school-- I think I finished it all off less than a year later. I did this working at a restaurant while taking classes. It was also not the cheapest school option-- it was probably about $500 per credit hour, where I could have actually done it for 1/5th of that and not even needed a loan. And im fairly certain you can get similar terms with a student loan if your parents cant cover you.
I am once again attending school on a modest salary and paying my own way, doing one class at a time. The cost is absolutely minimal-- about $400 per class, 3 classes a year, and it gets you a hefty tax break so its not even $400 (probably more like $200).
Now granted I am not going to yale here, Im going to a state school, and guess what-- thats OK. I dont feel a need to plant myself firmly into debt here, and I really dont see how anyone except those working at fast food and not living @ home have a reason to cry "school's too expensive". Even if you live in a state where rent is high, and schools dont have good instate rates, guess what-- this is the US, and youre free to move to and establish residency in a much cheaper state. For instance, you could move to Harrisonburg, Va and get housing (craigslist shows $270/mo apartment), and attend JMU with rates of $4000 per semester. A modest earnings of $15000 a year (doable as a waiter) could cover your apartment, a years tuition, and food.
Really, I dont understand people who say "I cant afford it", unless they are married or stuck under a mountain of debt.
You have a government that rewards the rich, bails out the corrupt,
We're still talking about PBS here?
Or has everyone just gone completely crazy?
At the time it seemed they were doing this mainly based on allegations of illegal actions by Assange, the primary face for Wikileaks, but not Wikileaks. There were rather groundless assertions by the US that Wikileaks had done something illegal, but nothing that could really hold water. So, people saw Anonymous attacks on those corporate entities as justified
Visa / mastercard provide a service in their line of business. As far as Im concerned, theyre well within their rights to decide they want nothing to do with wikileaks because they dont approve of their antics. No laws were broken, and who the heck are you to tell them they need to process payments for someone?
Oh, now I've been hit, by the ultimate argument. "Don't like what $country_A does? Move to $country_B where it's so much worse!"
Im saying that if youre going to comment in an article on China about how much worse the US is, you should probably move out of the US. Im also remarking that I think you lack all perspective when you start claiming that speech in the US is worse off than in China because of copyright.
If you want to have a serious discussion about how to fix the very real problems in the US, thats fine. Just dont go claiming that China has more free speech than the US, because thats absolutely not true.
Lithium fire [youtube.com] - no water involved, but the fire seems quite hot and very dangerous
Thats a Li-ion battery; not the same thing as elemental lithium. Perhaps you should read up on just how a Li-ion battery differs from a pile of lithium. Protip, you can generally handle it with your bare hands so long as theyre not super moist, and it certainly doesnt spontaneously combust into concrete-disolving fires. I know, because when I was younger I tossed a pile of lithium into my toilet for kicks, and while it stank the place up and probably wouldnt have been healthy to inhale the fumes, it certainly didnt do any damage to the toilet.
because iron pyrites contain iron. Iron is an industrial metal and it corrodes
Pyrite is NOT the same thing as iron, it is a different chemical (FeS2) entirely and thus does not corrode in the same way as iron. You cant just assume because something contains gold, for example, that it is necessarily immune to corrosion, nor that because something contains iron that it necessarily rusts. So while pyrite (which does appear to succumb to rust) might not be the best option, you never answered why it couldnt be something else non-elemental.
that's just a strange question. Why would I want to put money into a product, so I can sell it for money, it makes no sense.
Um, we do that with gold all the time. Fillings, electrical contacts, corrosion-resisting platings, etc. We do it with silver as well, and platinum, and titanium, and iridium, and osmium, and any of the other elements you might want to use as money.
There are a few uses, but they are irrelevant, given that there is relatively small amount of gold in existence and it's still not used up for anything industrial.
Theres even less osmium, and we use them in ball point pen tips (due to their high hardness).
salt is not money, but it can be used for barter. It's not money, because people consume it and it can be destroyed - it goes bad.
Um, salt is REALLY stable last time I checked; it can be dissolved, but I am not aware of it undergoing any chemical changes with less than substantial input of energy (that is, reactions involving salt are, AFAIK, endothermic).
If there is a way to find pieces of the metal, it can be reclaimed.
Gold can be physically lost, and then that money is lost to society. Paper money can be reprinted. And again, gold is not the only substance which meets your needs; there are many alloys which could potentially work, platinum could work, etc. You have arbitrarily declared gold as "the best" despite all these other candidates.
you can have even a credit card backed up by goats, not gold, but this will never happen precisely because there are so many other uses for a goat
No, it will never happen because the per-volume and per-weight value of a goat is really really really low compared to a US 1 dollar bill. And guess what, gold does too, which is why you dont have many banks that will store gold bars any more (safety deposit not withstanding).
recognized easily by anybody (who would recognize osmium as osmium if you showed it to them? It could be any alloy, how do you test it?)
Lots and lots of folks were fooled by Fools Gold (aka pyrite); even searching online you will find people with chunks of it that they thought were real gold. Sure, there are chemical tests you can perform, but the same is true of osmium, and osmium is a bit easier to prove than gold-- just bathe it in some aqua regia (i believe a mix of hydrochloric and nitric acids), which will dissolve pretty much anything except osmium and a few other really resistant metals. Other than that, how would YOU test something to be sure its gold?
Really t
Actually the actions of the US seem more vile in this light. China censors with the fear of a national uprise, something that might endanger the nation. The US censor already when the revenue of a rather insignificant company is threatened. Personally, I'd consider the latter worse
Then move there, and enjoy your reeducation-by-labor camps.
I guess for some people any article is an excuse to lament how terrible life is in one of the richest and freest countries in the world. Had it occured to you how whiney and petty your complaints might sound to those in Inner Mongolia, or to Liu Xiaobo, or to any of the folks who tried to protest during the Olympics?