Good stories take a long time to formulate. Star Wars, not a particularly good story, probably took a long time to formulate. Star Gate, Star Trek, both were obviously formulated over a long period of time in the writer's head. Then you have to do a screenplay, another point which can really fuck up a story but it has to be converted from the original work. Harry Potter (very boring to me) was also formulated over a long period of time by the author which, again, had to be converted to a screen play. Maybe that is why it was boring?
Agreed, Disney productions rely on talented individuals who do what they do all day every day (yes, I know their quality has diminished). They must be paid, and paid very well. I think it costs more than 20 million to produce a decent picture. Hell, the rendering platform costs WAY more than that (super computer/parallel farm with graphics stations). You're welcome to use construction paper or modelling clay if you like, and if you're talented it will take off and get picked up by someone with a rendering platform handy (think South Park for instance).
Having visited this site for the first time just now, I'm totally appalled at the blatant juvenile humor and ridiculous online behavior. I'll have to wait till I get home to further explore!
This has been the way of business in America for a long time. Company pollutes/kills people/etc, they bring in billions from the venture, get sued, get a fine levied for 100 million dollars by the court. Six billion minus 100 million, you do the math. General Electric and many other polluting companies have a well known history of operating like this. After this they are clear and the government/taxpayer cleans up the left over mess which costs additional billions or several hundred million to remedy (superfund).
Musicians want to be paid. Music will always be sold. I don't know from where you are coming with this argument or where you are going. What is wrong with musicians selling music to a global community? Concerts are tough to profit from and are generally used to promote record/song sales. No offense, but you have no clue about the music industry. I grew up with musicians, they want paid. Live performances are great but they are NOT profitable. It is common to lose money on them if they are not managed with precision.
Its not that they will not make money from unprotected works, they seek to enlist the state in extracting every last bit of POSSIBLE revenue they can from their holdings. More damaging was the recent increase of copyright terms and the subsequent strengthening of the rights of content distributors to hold those rights in lieu of the content creator. This was a move in the wrong direction of course. I guess these laws were never supposed to protect creators to begin with as evidenced by the above statement. Instead of bitching about this we need to engage everyone we know and educate them about the need for changing these laws or eradicating them. Strange, but removing copyright laws would probably help content distributors more than the current system. So much has changed with digital distribution that we need to test other methods.
I'm a student who has access to all that stuff but it really doesn't interest me. Except for the free SQLServer license (normally $65000.00 per 4 core cpu).
Streaming data in when each page is a new execution, not a good idea--although *you could* build your own "native" streaming initialization function for PHP. Streaming out I think would be a hack, but what do I know. What streaming applications do you have in mind? Typically it would be a server (custom) that maintains requests through UDP (with keep alive type protocol) to a customized client for something like Spotify. In a situation like this PHP doesn't really enter the picture. Streaming in just gives me the heebyjeebies unless it is a secure channel.
The inputs are variables established from HTML form elements that are passed to the PHP script, no it is not parameterized (in the PHP script you just hope your variables are waiting for you in an array of sorts $_POST[]). Of course the functions you create in PHP can have parameters but everything must be sanitized at every turn or you run risks. I'm sure buffer overflow situations are prevented by the PHP engine but parameter types must be verified by your function before if you care.
I see the technical point of separating the presentation from the data, but this is the web. It wasn't built for this from the beginning, it is all a hack. Things are much better but application development is not terribly straight forward and far from optimal. The frameworks separate the data, control, and presentation (MVC) while still using PHP.
Although I've had issues with Netbeans could you please elaborate on the mention of "suffers from instability?" I've used it extensively on Linux and Windows and haven't had many problems. No more than I would expect with any massive IDE. I've had WAY more instability out of my Linux desktop than I've ever experienced with NetBeans for that matter. Maybe it was just the new Gnome iterations (I recently switched to Mint on my main dev machine) as I never had any issues with Ubuntu 10.
I sensed contempt for PHP while watching the 28c3 video covering the hashing exploit in web frameworks (languages). Although I also noticed contempt for Java which I saw was given unequal treatment compared to another framework (forget which) that was weaker than Java in the same metric. So I guess I shouldn't have read into their disdain as much. Just figured they probably knew something I didn't (about PHP) since I was rather inexperienced in this regard.
I started building a framework the first time I got serious with PHP and said: "Wait a minute!". That's why I posted this question to/. If I had just continued on the route of building my own framework I sensed it would have worked fine and it would have been simple. I just wanted to exploit the experience of this community so I didn't shoot myself in the foot, and I have limited time. In addition to pursuing CodeIgnitor I will probably dabble in my own framework creation for simple projects. It feels good to work in PHP after nosing through a medium sized Java application for the last five years. With Java there is an hour (or three) of setup before I can get rolling on a simple application. It feels good to work with a simpler scripting language, but here I am again--knee deep in frameworks--and playing with objects.:(
Are you new here? It isn't a troll. I seriously thought I could get to the heart of the best wisdom and gain the knowledge of ideal solutions by asking my favorite community. It worked! You have to "frame your questions in the form of a troll" (TM) to get your submissions posted on Slashdot. I do not know to what end the quoted material was directed but I hope you weren't trying to suggest I'm not a "real programmer." Hey wait! Your'e a troll! Crap!
Thanks. Looking at CodeIgnitor and how "easy" it is there is definitely scaling issues at play with PHP. Hell, I think there are scaling issues with web apps period. Maybe this is more of a problem because I'm not on a VPS or dedicated server so I can't just fire up tomcat and sidestep trying to build apps with PHP. I like PHP, it is great when you don't want to setup an application server and deal with all that, but for long term projects it is probably much better to use a more enterprisey setup. I can see FB having issues now that I understand these situations better. They can throw hardware at the problem and divide the work among as many people as they need to solve the problem for now.
In a way PHP is like a collection of macros that let anyone just start turning out things that will work. You don't have to be a programmer, know web standards, or understand much of anything to start coding in PHP. Therein lies the danger. Judging from this I can only assume there is a vast swath of "spaghetti code" in production. A lot of companies manage to turn incompetent people loose on "real" languages in more complicated environments so you can imagine the state of some PHP apps floating around. Usually, what starts out being a simple project often morphs into a ZOMG ultra important application, so if you do not plan for this when coding with PHP you will get in trouble fast. Right away I noticed I was going to need some advice when I started playing around with PHP. It was appearant that just barfing up code wasn't going to cut it (as usual), at the least you have to make use of PHP object oriented features.
No one has the right to tell anyone else how to traverse the Internet, period. The Internet is not the government's to do anything with (unless they own a part of it in which case they can do whatever they want to that part--server, router, switch). We already have laws that address everything anyone could ever possibly do illegally on the Internet. No more laws need to to be made about anything. The most refreshing action a government could take is: NOTHING. The stink of the Peter Principle is think in the air; instead of taking care of real issues like enforcing laws and managing the aspects of the economy they ARE responsible for they continue to muck around with shit that is not of their domain--a real circus.
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Good stories take a long time to formulate. Star Wars, not a particularly good story, probably took a long time to formulate. Star Gate, Star Trek, both were obviously formulated over a long period of time in the writer's head. Then you have to do a screenplay, another point which can really fuck up a story but it has to be converted from the original work. Harry Potter (very boring to me) was also formulated over a long period of time by the author which, again, had to be converted to a screen play. Maybe that is why it was boring?
You just reminded me why I don't go to the movies.
Agreed, Disney productions rely on talented individuals who do what they do all day every day (yes, I know their quality has diminished). They must be paid, and paid very well. I think it costs more than 20 million to produce a decent picture. Hell, the rendering platform costs WAY more than that (super computer/parallel farm with graphics stations). You're welcome to use construction paper or modelling clay if you like, and if you're talented it will take off and get picked up by someone with a rendering platform handy (think South Park for instance).
In Washington, public apathy == public support.
Having visited this site for the first time just now, I'm totally appalled at the blatant juvenile humor and ridiculous online behavior. I'll have to wait till I get home to further explore!
This has been the way of business in America for a long time. Company pollutes/kills people/etc, they bring in billions from the venture, get sued, get a fine levied for 100 million dollars by the court. Six billion minus 100 million, you do the math. General Electric and many other polluting companies have a well known history of operating like this. After this they are clear and the government/taxpayer cleans up the left over mess which costs additional billions or several hundred million to remedy (superfund).
Musicians want to be paid. Music will always be sold. I don't know from where you are coming with this argument or where you are going. What is wrong with musicians selling music to a global community? Concerts are tough to profit from and are generally used to promote record/song sales. No offense, but you have no clue about the music industry. I grew up with musicians, they want paid. Live performances are great but they are NOT profitable. It is common to lose money on them if they are not managed with precision.
Its not that they will not make money from unprotected works, they seek to enlist the state in extracting every last bit of POSSIBLE revenue they can from their holdings. More damaging was the recent increase of copyright terms and the subsequent strengthening of the rights of content distributors to hold those rights in lieu of the content creator. This was a move in the wrong direction of course. I guess these laws were never supposed to protect creators to begin with as evidenced by the above statement. Instead of bitching about this we need to engage everyone we know and educate them about the need for changing these laws or eradicating them. Strange, but removing copyright laws would probably help content distributors more than the current system. So much has changed with digital distribution that we need to test other methods.
Each product is its own company.
I'm a student who has access to all that stuff but it really doesn't interest me. Except for the free SQLServer license (normally $65000.00 per 4 core cpu).
In my book the web is LAMP/open source. Microsoft web platforms are a passing annoyance heaped on by the Universe's innate chaos.
Don't worry, ASP causes me to experience the taste of puke in my mouth.
Streaming data in when each page is a new execution, not a good idea--although *you could* build your own "native" streaming initialization function for PHP. Streaming out I think would be a hack, but what do I know. What streaming applications do you have in mind? Typically it would be a server (custom) that maintains requests through UDP (with keep alive type protocol) to a customized client for something like Spotify. In a situation like this PHP doesn't really enter the picture. Streaming in just gives me the heebyjeebies unless it is a secure channel.
The inputs are variables established from HTML form elements that are passed to the PHP script, no it is not parameterized (in the PHP script you just hope your variables are waiting for you in an array of sorts $_POST[]). Of course the functions you create in PHP can have parameters but everything must be sanitized at every turn or you run risks. I'm sure buffer overflow situations are prevented by the PHP engine but parameter types must be verified by your function before if you care.
I see the technical point of separating the presentation from the data, but this is the web. It wasn't built for this from the beginning, it is all a hack. Things are much better but application development is not terribly straight forward and far from optimal. The frameworks separate the data, control, and presentation (MVC) while still using PHP.
Although I've had issues with Netbeans could you please elaborate on the mention of "suffers from instability?" I've used it extensively on Linux and Windows and haven't had many problems. No more than I would expect with any massive IDE. I've had WAY more instability out of my Linux desktop than I've ever experienced with NetBeans for that matter. Maybe it was just the new Gnome iterations (I recently switched to Mint on my main dev machine) as I never had any issues with Ubuntu 10.
I sensed contempt for PHP while watching the 28c3 video covering the hashing exploit in web frameworks (languages). Although I also noticed contempt for Java which I saw was given unequal treatment compared to another framework (forget which) that was weaker than Java in the same metric. So I guess I shouldn't have read into their disdain as much. Just figured they probably knew something I didn't (about PHP) since I was rather inexperienced in this regard.
I started building a framework the first time I got serious with PHP and said: "Wait a minute!". That's why I posted this question to /. If I had just continued on the route of building my own framework I sensed it would have worked fine and it would have been simple. I just wanted to exploit the experience of this community so I didn't shoot myself in the foot, and I have limited time. In addition to pursuing CodeIgnitor I will probably dabble in my own framework creation for simple projects. It feels good to work in PHP after nosing through a medium sized Java application for the last five years. With Java there is an hour (or three) of setup before I can get rolling on a simple application. It feels good to work with a simpler scripting language, but here I am again--knee deep in frameworks--and playing with objects. :(
Are you new here? It isn't a troll. I seriously thought I could get to the heart of the best wisdom and gain the knowledge of ideal solutions by asking my favorite community. It worked! You have to "frame your questions in the form of a troll" (TM) to get your submissions posted on Slashdot. I do not know to what end the quoted material was directed but I hope you weren't trying to suggest I'm not a "real programmer." Hey wait! Your'e a troll! Crap!
Oddly enough, PHP feels like BASIC to me in that it is extremely easy to get started and inadvertently build unscalable mounds of cruft.
Then I wouldn't learn anything which is unacceptable.
Thanks. Looking at CodeIgnitor and how "easy" it is there is definitely scaling issues at play with PHP. Hell, I think there are scaling issues with web apps period. Maybe this is more of a problem because I'm not on a VPS or dedicated server so I can't just fire up tomcat and sidestep trying to build apps with PHP. I like PHP, it is great when you don't want to setup an application server and deal with all that, but for long term projects it is probably much better to use a more enterprisey setup. I can see FB having issues now that I understand these situations better. They can throw hardware at the problem and divide the work among as many people as they need to solve the problem for now.
I also should have mentioned that I'm relegated to shared hosting at the moment which means I can't run Java applications. Wish I could.
Microsoft platforms are not even a consideration. I should have specified open source I guess.
In a way PHP is like a collection of macros that let anyone just start turning out things that will work. You don't have to be a programmer, know web standards, or understand much of anything to start coding in PHP. Therein lies the danger. Judging from this I can only assume there is a vast swath of "spaghetti code" in production. A lot of companies manage to turn incompetent people loose on "real" languages in more complicated environments so you can imagine the state of some PHP apps floating around. Usually, what starts out being a simple project often morphs into a ZOMG ultra important application, so if you do not plan for this when coding with PHP you will get in trouble fast. Right away I noticed I was going to need some advice when I started playing around with PHP. It was appearant that just barfing up code wasn't going to cut it (as usual), at the least you have to make use of PHP object oriented features.
1) Go to Amazon.com
2) Search: Penetration Testing
3) Buy two or three books for $5 or $6 each
4) Get plugged in to the security community online
No one has the right to tell anyone else how to traverse the Internet, period. The Internet is not the government's to do anything with (unless they own a part of it in which case they can do whatever they want to that part--server, router, switch). We already have laws that address everything anyone could ever possibly do illegally on the Internet. No more laws need to to be made about anything. The most refreshing action a government could take is: NOTHING. The stink of the Peter Principle is think in the air; instead of taking care of real issues like enforcing laws and managing the aspects of the economy they ARE responsible for they continue to muck around with shit that is not of their domain--a real circus.