I believe it does end the argument. What's better for an Australian than to be able to set up a computer company in his/her garage, find an investor, sell a standard ARM Android device with better specs for much less? It's the ultimate oppertunity. Blame Australians for being too stupid not to take advantage of this.
You think that because Wayland is not networked that we're going to lose networked widgets, but that's not the case.
You see, for a long time X has become more and more client orientated. When 2D was getting replaced with compositing, the entire stream of new features actually made X.org more and more like Wayland.
Wayland is not realy what you probably think it is. Wayland is a Window Manager on top of OpenGL ES and other techniques like Gallium3D.
So where does the networking come from? Where it should have been in the first place: widget toolkits like GTK+ and Qt.
The first steps are already made: GTK+ can expose an HTML interface and KDE's Plasma desktop (which is totaly made out of widgets, including the tackbar ea.) is now networked. It will only be a matter of time before Qt becomes totaly networked. The ball is already rolling on that one.
-- conclusion -- Wayland is a Window Manager that moves beyond X.org in terms of using a modular and cleaner graphics architecture (Gallium3D shader based) and the networking goes to the widget toolkits.
The will soon be fixed if you have an ATi and use the FLOSS drivers. There is no need for 'hybrid graphics'-bla bla bla as you can achieve this purely with software lol.
Some guy from Red Hat is now working on GPU distribution-stuff. That means being able to also run both at the same time. Currently the status on this is that he can now only do it by restarting the X.org server and just one GPU at the time with 'vga-switcheroo'.
You means like these webcams and microphones in camera's and laptops, running proprietary software and EFI BIOS having acces to the internet, your RAM, webcam and microphone and extensible firmware drivers to support this?
You mean the leaks in the BIOS that still runs while your OS is up and the remote holes in every consumer OS?
You mean phone calls are tapped and acces to FB, reading your every thought, move and concersation that is even being logged?
Hahaha... Dude... You think they let is operate by an Operating System, running on a CPU?
More like wierd assembly embedded in a flow language that is so dumbed down and sequential that it is as fool proof and bugless as a transistor radio, with the reliability of a proven PLC.
To explain further: Linux version a.b.c. First number is first stable (comming after 1.0 is 2.0). This number never changes again and is thus useless, because; b number means architecture change. After 2.1 (unstale (because b is odd)) comes stable 2.2. Now b indicates stable or unstable. Now that 6 (third and final acrhitecture change as Linux is pleased with the way everything is working) is not needed anymore we enter; c number. Odd indicating unstable and even stable. So 2.6.37 is unstable comming after stable 2.6.36 and heads for stable 2.6.38.
As you can see, having 2.6.x is useless, because they don't represent trackable numbers anymore (they don't ever change), and the c number was getting huge. A logical follow up was choosing a number higher than 2; being 3.
Now expect 3.0 to be stable (actualy the last version was 2.6.39, going 2.6.40, but Linus wanted to go with 3.0 now, so this is a stable release), 3.1 to be unstable and 3.2 to be stable, etc.
Once we hit 3.39 (after 20 stable releases), Linux will probably hit 4.0.
That shit counts for everything... There is an infinite amount of situations to test, so you can't test them all, so you cannot prove anything. You can only assume that you've tested enough.
Maybe under a certain condition you can messure the size and location at the same time, but you just haven't tried all possible combination.
OK, I'm sorry. Strong emotions come out easyer on the internet.
By reading Slahdot you are expected to know what has been going around lately with respect to law enforcement and political engineering. By destroying things like Wikileaks due to destruction of anonimity and then piling upon that not being knowledgeable on the subject kind of makes me very mad. Especialy because the politicians that have enforced many shit upon society were not knowledgeable at all.
We can start this discussion again in a civilized manner if you are still open for it;-)
Seriously stupid in any case (OP). The advantage Linux has is faster hole fixes. Apple is always behind with their included floss software. All a hacker has to do is simpky look at the security fixes of these pieces of software/commands/tools and use that as a manual to exploit Mac OS X.
Apple needs a fast response security team, contstant updates and hiding the process from the user's GUI interaction. When this doesn't require restarting anything (or the user noticing if that happens) than Apple has won 80% of the fight already.
"If a large corporation's site like the Sony site could be so easily compromised, how are we supposed to guage the level of security of any other site?" You can't.
"Another question, if the security of Sony was compromised by using Amazon in some way, doesn't that mean that those who use Amazon are potentially at just as much risk as those who were compromised at Sony?" No? Amazon has nothing to do with this. They just let you rent a PC.
" So let's say nono it's a completely different thing, how can you 100% guarantee that?" Because there is absolutely no relationship between Amazon security and Sony's secutiry.
"On a more constructive note, how do we eliminate this kind of access in future?" Stop being a moron and not hand over information you do not like to get stolen. Do you also not lock your door on your way out? Prevention is what it is called.
"My suggestion.... eliminate anonymous internet access permanently." Let's see how that works below:
Jack: "Hi, my name is John" Computer: "Are you?" Jack: "Yes I am. I am using John's WiFi to connect to you, computer" Computer: "Well OK then, John. Do what you like" [Two months later] *Knock-Knock* John: "Who's there?" "NYPD! Open the door!" [one month later] Investigator: "Confess now and you'll get your food. We know it's you who did it!" John: "OK OK I confess, just let me eat" Court: "John you admitted you're guilty, therefor you will not pass GO and go directly to jail'
Jack is now enjoying his vacation on some exotic resort.
Yes it's odd... Everybody wants to be famous which implies others knowing what the hell you are doing. If I don't want to share something that I don't want others to know then I'll simply not share it. C'mon kids, is that so hard? Or are you simply that stupid?
What's wrong with sharing? Seriously I still controll what I share and when I want to share it, even if it means my freaking geolocation. If I'd be doing something that I want to keep secret then I'd simply leave my Android phone at home.
If the government were to somehow misuse all of our data to screw us all over in ways we truely definately don't accept as a society, then there is also this thing called riot and revolution, which happens to be possible because of the very existence of FaceBook itself.
Now there is also this thing called control. As the reaches of the individuals broadens then the government obviously needs to control this. Why? Oh I don't know... wanna go back to slamming each others heads in with sticks and stones?
Free software gets a great GUI and if forked _all_ devices will be faster.
No point in hating progress, proprietary is only extra competition. As we all know better does not mean more succesful. Take a seriously hard look at DOS and Windows. That said I think (at least technologicaly) nothing surpasses KDE 4.6 desktop iregardless if you like KDE 4.6 or not.
That said there are laws for everything. Imagine what you'd get with automatically driving cars? Your life will look like this: 1. You wake up by means of an alarm clock, as opposed to waking up naturaly; 2. Your government import-regulated coffee, along with sandwiches (or whatever you take to work (or not)), that has been (at least packaged) in a government law-controlled factory, that you consume has been bought in a law-regulated supermarket (as opposed to self-made/self-grown/self-acquired) with a fake inflation-sensitive currency concept. 3. You step into your car that drives you to work. --- Now before we go to step four, think about what _YOU_ have realy done yourself at this point and what you had to do for it? Ticking in a keyboard? Printing out some reports? Calling someone in the office next to you without needing to walk? --- 4. You arrive at your work. You didn't decide today that you needed to go to work because you wrote a signature with ink on a piece of paper which does not state that you _CAN_ work when _YOU_ need to work. No you must either always, everyday, at points in time you can't change or decide, or not at all. Not at all is not realy an option because well; money needed for everything. So you have this fake choice or GTFO of society as a whole. Wow that so welcoming/not demanding! 5. Your car drives you back to home where you are probably watching some show in TV while eating your fabricated food, bought in a supermarket and go to bed.
Now I'm not going to abandon society, because I like it more than I hate it. So I'm not going to smoke crack or shoot heroine, but I hate the part where my life is out of my own control.
I'm not opposed to changes, but I am opposed to this (very much), because I want to be in control. Goverments around the globe are in my point of view already too much in control of whatever I do and the last thing I want is something taking away my driving.
I am already getting sick of where everything is going. The Utopia level has already exceeded my accaptance coping level.
"Saving the remaining three deaths a year in small country x" - WHAT THE FSCK!
The point here is that people want to be responsible; they want to be in control.
And; "Yeah but this won't ever happen to me"-grey matter protection from self mechanism.
But what is the point is having zero danger? It's boooorrrriiiiingggg. Driving to and from your work is already boring, let alone not even having to pay attention while driving.
Black Ops is a piece of shit. If you want a real game that doesn't hold your hand I suggest that you check out http://www.goldeneyesource.net/ and play a real _game_
Don't come crying to me about hacks and shit, because they don't excist. I'm pretty sure you need more than half a year of practise in order to not get you ass wooped with a kill per death ratio of minus 30...
I remember that KateOS had it's own pacthed to hell kernel that would at any time try to utilize the CPU for the full 100%. You open up a text editor and you'll see the CPU spike from 0 to 100 and back, as fast as zzzzzZZZZZZ-BOOM!-zzzzzZZZZ.
Well he's right. Angry Birds is such a raging succes that a simple smartphone app coughed up millions of dollars, not counting this 'piracy' thing.
Why? -Gameplay. It's not an interactive b-movie experience and people don't... want... that... Why do you think people play multiplayer? Because of the social part? (killing each other) No the challange. There is no challange in b-movie FPS titles and everyone but those large game studios knows it, but those developpers are so importantly focussed on changing the world with their art and shit... -Price. Why the hell even bother not to get it at 99 cents! (a little less than 50 internet posts, heh) -Availability. A lot of people who have smartphones do not own consoles. I'm pretty sure that the amount of smartphones in use are exceding a lot of consoles, including GameBoys&Co.
Where's the Mandatory access control feature on the iMac? Will you help me find it for me please? I'm thinking about making the switch because NT6.1 doesn't have it.
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I believe it does end the argument. What's better for an Australian than to be able to set up a computer company in his/her garage, find an investor, sell a standard ARM Android device with better specs for much less? It's the ultimate oppertunity. Blame Australians for being too stupid not to take advantage of this.
It's as if Apple leaves the gold for the taking.
Where did you read exploit? It says that the kernel debugger can serve as a tool for exploiters.
Leave your stupid fanboyism at the door next time, please...
You think that because Wayland is not networked that we're going to lose networked widgets, but that's not the case.
You see, for a long time X has become more and more client orientated. When 2D was getting replaced with compositing, the entire stream of new features actually made X.org more and more like Wayland.
Wayland is not realy what you probably think it is. Wayland is a Window Manager on top of OpenGL ES and other techniques like Gallium3D.
So where does the networking come from? Where it should have been in the first place: widget toolkits like GTK+ and Qt.
The first steps are already made: GTK+ can expose an HTML interface and KDE's Plasma desktop (which is totaly made out of widgets, including the tackbar ea.) is now networked. It will only be a matter of time before Qt becomes totaly networked. The ball is already rolling on that one.
-- conclusion --
Wayland is a Window Manager that moves beyond X.org in terms of using a modular and cleaner graphics architecture (Gallium3D shader based) and the networking goes to the widget toolkits.
The will soon be fixed if you have an ATi and use the FLOSS drivers. There is no need for 'hybrid graphics'-bla bla bla as you can achieve this purely with software lol.
Some guy from Red Hat is now working on GPU distribution-stuff. That means being able to also run both at the same time. Currently the status on this is that he can now only do it by restarting the X.org server and just one GPU at the time with 'vga-switcheroo'.
Progress is on its way ;)
You means like these webcams and microphones in camera's and laptops, running proprietary software and EFI BIOS having acces to the internet, your RAM, webcam and microphone and extensible firmware drivers to support this?
You mean the leaks in the BIOS that still runs while your OS is up and the remote holes in every consumer OS?
You mean phone calls are tapped and acces to FB, reading your every thought, move and concersation that is even being logged?
Hell we already surpassed 1984!
More intensive than Crysis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4dPuQ4pw70
Hahaha... Dude... You think they let is operate by an Operating System, running on a CPU?
More like wierd assembly embedded in a flow language that is so dumbed down and sequential that it is as fool proof and bugless as a transistor radio, with the reliability of a proven PLC.
BSOD... ROFL....
To explain further:
Linux version a.b.c.
First number is first stable (comming after 1.0 is 2.0). This number never changes again and is thus useless, because;
b number means architecture change. After 2.1 (unstale (because b is odd)) comes stable 2.2. Now b indicates stable or unstable.
Now that 6 (third and final acrhitecture change as Linux is pleased with the way everything is working) is not needed anymore we enter;
c number. Odd indicating unstable and even stable. So 2.6.37 is unstable comming after stable 2.6.36 and heads for stable 2.6.38.
As you can see, having 2.6.x is useless, because they don't represent trackable numbers anymore (they don't ever change), and the c number was getting huge. A logical follow up was choosing a number higher than 2; being 3.
Now expect 3.0 to be stable (actualy the last version was 2.6.39, going 2.6.40, but Linus wanted to go with 3.0 now, so this is a stable release), 3.1 to be unstable and 3.2 to be stable, etc.
Once we hit 3.39 (after 20 stable releases), Linux will probably hit 4.0.
That shit counts for everything... There is an infinite amount of situations to test, so you can't test them all, so you cannot prove anything. You can only assume that you've tested enough.
Maybe under a certain condition you can messure the size and location at the same time, but you just haven't tried all possible combination.
OK, I'm sorry. Strong emotions come out easyer on the internet.
By reading Slahdot you are expected to know what has been going around lately with respect to law enforcement and political engineering. By destroying things like Wikileaks due to destruction of anonimity and then piling upon that not being knowledgeable on the subject kind of makes me very mad. Especialy because the politicians that have enforced many shit upon society were not knowledgeable at all.
We can start this discussion again in a civilized manner if you are still open for it ;-)
Seriously stupid in any case (OP). The advantage Linux has is faster hole fixes. Apple is always behind with their included floss software. All a hacker has to do is simpky look at the security fixes of these pieces of software/commands/tools and use that as a manual to exploit Mac OS X.
Apple needs a fast response security team, contstant updates and hiding the process from the user's GUI interaction. When this doesn't require restarting anything (or the user noticing if that happens) than Apple has won 80% of the fight already.
"If a large corporation's site like the Sony site could be so easily compromised, how are we supposed to guage the level of security of any other site?"
You can't.
"Another question, if the security of Sony was compromised by using Amazon in some way, doesn't that mean that those who use Amazon are potentially at just as much risk as those who were compromised at Sony?"
No? Amazon has nothing to do with this. They just let you rent a PC.
" So let's say nono it's a completely different thing, how can you 100% guarantee that?"
Because there is absolutely no relationship between Amazon security and Sony's secutiry.
"On a more constructive note, how do we eliminate this kind of access in future?"
Stop being a moron and not hand over information you do not like to get stolen. Do you also not lock your door on your way out? Prevention is what it is called.
"My suggestion.... eliminate anonymous internet access permanently."
Let's see how that works below:
Jack: "Hi, my name is John"
Computer: "Are you?"
Jack: "Yes I am. I am using John's WiFi to connect to you, computer"
Computer: "Well OK then, John. Do what you like"
[Two months later]
*Knock-Knock*
John: "Who's there?"
"NYPD! Open the door!"
[one month later]
Investigator: "Confess now and you'll get your food. We know it's you who did it!"
John: "OK OK I confess, just let me eat"
Court: "John you admitted you're guilty, therefor you will not pass GO and go directly to jail'
Jack is now enjoying his vacation on some exotic resort.
Yes it's odd... Everybody wants to be famous which implies others knowing what the hell you are doing. If I don't want to share something that I don't want others to know then I'll simply not share it. C'mon kids, is that so hard? Or are you simply that stupid?
What's wrong with sharing? Seriously I still controll what I share and when I want to share it, even if it means my freaking geolocation. If I'd be doing something that I want to keep secret then I'd simply leave my Android phone at home.
If the government were to somehow misuse all of our data to screw us all over in ways we truely definately don't accept as a society, then there is also this thing called riot and revolution, which happens to be possible because of the very existence of FaceBook itself.
Now there is also this thing called control. As the reaches of the individuals broadens then the government obviously needs to control this. Why? Oh I don't know... wanna go back to slamming each others heads in with sticks and stones?
Yet the EFL is now passed version 1.0: http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/show&l=en&news_id=28
Free software gets a great GUI and if forked _all_ devices will be faster.
No point in hating progress, proprietary is only extra competition. As we all know better does not mean more succesful. Take a seriously hard look at DOS and Windows. That said I think (at least technologicaly) nothing surpasses KDE 4.6 desktop iregardless if you like KDE 4.6 or not.
I don't like your FAG News (FOX News) defence.
That said there are laws for everything. Imagine what you'd get with automatically driving cars? Your life will look like this:
1. You wake up by means of an alarm clock, as opposed to waking up naturaly;
2. Your government import-regulated coffee, along with sandwiches (or whatever you take to work (or not)), that has been (at least packaged) in a government law-controlled factory, that you consume has been bought in a law-regulated supermarket (as opposed to self-made/self-grown/self-acquired) with a fake inflation-sensitive currency concept.
3. You step into your car that drives you to work.
--- Now before we go to step four, think about what _YOU_ have realy done yourself at this point and what you had to do for it? Ticking in a keyboard? Printing out some reports? Calling someone in the office next to you without needing to walk? ---
4. You arrive at your work. You didn't decide today that you needed to go to work because you wrote a signature with ink on a piece of paper which does not state that you _CAN_ work when _YOU_ need to work. No you must either always, everyday, at points in time you can't change or decide, or not at all. Not at all is not realy an option because well; money needed for everything. So you have this fake choice or GTFO of society as a whole. Wow that so welcoming/not demanding!
5. Your car drives you back to home where you are probably watching some show in TV while eating your fabricated food, bought in a supermarket and go to bed.
Now I'm not going to abandon society, because I like it more than I hate it. So I'm not going to smoke crack or shoot heroine, but I hate the part where my life is out of my own control.
So... get my point?
Like what? Using my Android interface? ROFL...
In fact; Enlightenment is sponsored heavily by Samsung now ;)
I'm not opposed to changes, but I am opposed to this (very much), because I want to be in control. Goverments around the globe are in my point of view already too much in control of whatever I do and the last thing I want is something taking away my driving.
I am already getting sick of where everything is going. The Utopia level has already exceeded my accaptance coping level.
"Saving the remaining three deaths a year in small country x" - WHAT THE FSCK!
They can be different...
The point here is that people want to be responsible; they want to be in control.
And; "Yeah but this won't ever happen to me"-grey matter protection from self mechanism.
But what is the point is having zero danger? It's boooorrrriiiiingggg. Driving to and from your work is already boring, let alone not even having to pay attention while driving.
Black Ops is a piece of shit. If you want a real game that doesn't hold your hand I suggest that you check out http://www.goldeneyesource.net/ and play a real _game_
Don't come crying to me about hacks and shit, because they don't excist. I'm pretty sure you need more than half a year of practise in order to not get you ass wooped with a kill per death ratio of minus 30...
I remember that KateOS had it's own pacthed to hell kernel that would at any time try to utilize the CPU for the full 100%. You open up a text editor and you'll see the CPU spike from 0 to 100 and back, as fast as zzzzzZZZZZZ-BOOM!-zzzzzZZZZ.
Well he's right. Angry Birds is such a raging succes that a simple smartphone app coughed up millions of dollars, not counting this 'piracy' thing.
Why?
-Gameplay. It's not an interactive b-movie experience and people don't... want... that... Why do you think people play multiplayer? Because of the social part? (killing each other) No the challange. There is no challange in b-movie FPS titles and everyone but those large game studios knows it, but those developpers are so importantly focussed on changing the world with their art and shit...
-Price. Why the hell even bother not to get it at 99 cents! (a little less than 50 internet posts, heh)
-Availability. A lot of people who have smartphones do not own consoles. I'm pretty sure that the amount of smartphones in use are exceding a lot of consoles, including GameBoys&Co.
Oh so it's billion dollar costing Dell in a shiny package without serious security? I so wanted to have that Disney interface :(
Thank you for your correction, grammer slave :)
Where's the Mandatory access control feature on the iMac? Will you help me find it for me please? I'm thinking about making the switch because NT6.1 doesn't have it.