I don't care if they give back or don't. It would be cool to have OSM got usable data back in usable form. It would be better for both Apple and FLOSS users. But if they don't gibe it back then no damage will be done.
Apple might as well buy 'professional map' with the giant money pile they have, so it's not as if they 'stole' people their hard work to deliver quality that they couldn't get otherwise.
It will be win-win situation if Apple and OSM would share work mutually.
Then ofcourse there are the fanboys/atroturfers who can die in a fire.
They should do something else. Instead of banning things (which never works; look at drugs) and robbing people of theoretical freedom, they should start a media campaign in which hot people of the opposite sex explain why abnormal sizes are not sexy. That means size zero (no-one thinks males and female skeletons are sexy (duh)) and obese people are not sexy, obviously.
Size zero models are not selected because they're sexy (fashion designers are usualy attracted to males), but because the cloths they're wearing look better. That's it.
Also; the campaign should show that looks are not everything; heterosexual chick don't give a shit about what males look like, but how they act (and ofcourse shower for hygene). Heterosexual males can fall in love with females because they are cool chicks and choose them instead of a hotter duckface chick. But for males looks are important, but it can be stretched a little.
The underlying problem is cognitive failure, because people think that their DNA, in relation to looks, decide what they are worth. If most people are so damn ugly, then ask yourself why their genes are in the gene pool. If nobody likes these genes, then why are these genes still in the gene pool? It's natural.
The simpler and more 'primative' the better. And it's codes; not source code.
So what I'd do is the most 'primative' and effective thing there is; unhook the reciever from any actuators and unhook the neutral stuff, attached to actuators (except transmittors), from any actuators too.
Let some gifted minds go at a interim system for a week and send a technician with the interim device to the ISS. After that only the most basic stuff should be handled for interim survival of the station and the crew.
While the interim stuff is going on; let the On-board Shuttle Group rework the system along with the NSA, send that shit to the ISS and restart normal operations.
And while the NSA is there anyway; let them fix the damn security problem on the ground.
This is a bullshit claim as AMD planned to make CPU's in New York, Corvette makes their cars in the USA and my Nokia E7 phone is assembled in Finland...
The real problem is profit in an industry that's about cheaper cheaper cheaper faster faster FASTER!!!!11111 one one eleven.
I'd still pay for something even if it costs a little more money like, let's say, 50 dollars.
So what are the costs? Shipping ground materials? I mean hospitals are about to replace surgents with robotic arms (trials are about to start), so why can't an entire factory be automated? I means look at freaking Coca Cola; they produce cans with about less than ten people working in a factory.
There is no excuse to produce in third world countries at all.
And on top of that; LLVM is still getting pwned by GCC. The only reason Apple made their own compiler was because they were getting pwned by the GPLv3.
No I did not, because LLVM is only used for CPU JIT compiling. Again; learn the facts. This is for software acceleration.
The closed source and open source drivers for GPU's use their own compilers. There is some work on LLVM optimization, but it hasn't even left the paper stage...
Yup, 1337 mentality to the core. Clearly you are a superior form of life and we should all just bow to your ridiculous opinions, which are perfect.
Is the device able to host itself? No? Is it able to be programmed by itself? No? Then it is not a computer. It doesn't have the power to function entirely by itself, as it needs stuff like 'the Cloud' to be usefull. Unless beer drinking apps suit your needs... Pffff....
ROFL. The use of a 3D engine on the back end doesn't mean the 2D stack (including 2D APIs) goes away, moron. It's called layering. A concept which is apparently too advanced for your MASSIVE 1337 BRAIN.
What you mean is a widget toolkit and Qt is lightyears ahead of anything that Apple has to offer. And BTW; it's getting ported to HTML5 and Gallium.
Why on earth would they want to do that? So they could make shitty products? No thanks.
You don't need voice controll, dropdown menu's, multitasking? Android was there first, I believe. They still have to copy widgets to iOS...
You're an idiot if you think that "shitty internals" can supply things like speed. Or render quality. And so forth.
Of course it can... Take OpenGL 2.1, slap it on top of Linux 2.6.00, throw it on a dualcore ARM CPU and you're done.
It's a port of a complete OS (for certain values of "complete" which don't include the GUI)
You mean the 'entire OS' minus the entire userland? Wow! That leaves... Almost nothing! Wow!
Darwin (the UNIXy kernel
Darwin actualy is a certified UNIX kernel...
Those dumb-ass consumers. How dare they have preferences different from your 1337 r4d1k00L vision of how computing should work!
Computing comes from computations, you moron. If I can't freely program it then it is as much a computer as my microwave is a computer; useless household device that has only one purpose; heating my damn food...
Seriously, did you just get out of high school or something?
Jealous?
omg i see what you did there
Glad you came it touch with reality then...
but back here in the real world Apple has its own graphics stack which is much better than X11 or Gallium
So out of touch with reality... Gallium3D is more modern, more feature rich and according to benchmarks also faster. I wonder where you get that fanboy view from... Ah I bet it's the reality distortion field:)
(Quartz being the native 2D graphics system.)
There is no such thing as a 2D graphics stack because there is no 2D engine on moderns GPU's anymore, but nice try moron...
Poor Apple, with their simply useless iPhone that just grossed more in the last quarter than all of Microsoft's operations combined... Whatever shall they do?
Copy Android ofcourse...
You can't provide a good user experience with "shitty internals", trollboy.
Oh yes you can; the only thing that the end user is seeing is a case, a screen, a UI and speed. Nothing more...
You simply don't get it. On modern OS's like Linux and Windows, OpenGL is nothing but an API that's converted to bytecode and JIT compiled by the graphics driver. This IR (intermediate representation) bytecode is the same for everything from OpenGL to OpenCL and SVG to video playback.
The way Apple implements it is from the stoneage. Just because there is GLSL doesn't mean that the GPU is still supporting it in any kind of way.
One cannot simply beat an argument with reality. At least the RAM realy is overpriced. Fanboyism is also kind of true given the crusade after Job's death; I'd say that's true as well...
Windows 8 is ported to ARM as well (also Office). About Steam... If it was actually working on OS X with their shitty and outdated fixed-pipeline-driver architecture that is slower than a snail...
It's probably just a single layer, out of many (drivers).
I bet Apple made a whole lot of stuff that simply ended up in the bin. Failing is learning. Learning is knowing how to do stuff better. Doing stuff better from a dumb-ass consumer perspective is what Apple's been doing.
I'm not sure if this port will actually do Apple any good. They are either getting serious with tablets, now that Windows 8 and the unlocked Spark KDE tablets are comming to market (fully usable computers you know), or they are rewriting OS X largely. I have a feeling that they are doing the last, since Apple's about to rebase on the upcomming X.org (project managed for release by an Apple guy this time) and that involves an actual modern GPU architecture (like Gallium3D, like Windows GPU drivers are now written).
Poor Apple... with their outdated OS X, useless iPad and simply useless iPhone... They have been surpassed by Fedora and Windows. Spot the John Doe who comes whining down, screaming about user experience (*cough* glossy UI over shitty internals*cough*) in about 3... 2... 1...
It's neither. A population can take a lot, but only so much. It's when the last straw snaps that people are willing to die to overthrow their government in protest.
It's only a matter of time before terrorism will be practised by western people against the west and not just by some random extremist nutcase-organisations.
There maybe enough laws, technology, police and military personel, but they are all outnumbered once an entire population sais "Fsck it! I'm not taking this shit any longer!" and then the shit hits the fan, at 100.000 miles/hour.
I'd go for hoping x86 will die. It's an outdated piece of junk, that even internally doesn't work anymore. Intels and AMD's simply convert that crap to RISC-ish architectures. The reason that they don't make the CPU ARM instruction compatible is because the instructions change everytime, just to get x86 apps to work faster. This has been said by John Bridgman, AMD's GPU driver manager, so the info must be correct.
It won't hurt open source and Microsoft has an internal port of Office and Windows already running on the Texas instruments and Tegra ARM platforms. This will come as Windows 8 on tablets. Killer combination, if you ask me. iPad is going to get a run for its profits.
This is pretty much in line with the AMD's Coreboot BIOS assasination strategy and the Radeon free software strategy.
Symbian is now on contract with a billion-worth-company that has Symbian in its grap for at least untill 2017. Qt is now community managed. Yes Microsoft can make a proprietary form of what they bought in terms of code then, but the improved stuff is GPL'ed and Microsoft can't kill it.
Meanwhile the other OS isn't cut off at all and it is needed for the Asian and African market to keep Nokia floating and Microsoft can't kill Nokia because then they would kill their mobile phone efforts.
But Qt and all the other stuff is now community managed, what is controlled by Nokia that is. The Nokia WP7 store (next to Windows appstore) is fully platform independant and fully Nokia spec dependant. So a simple move to the next awaited OS is as easy as importing project->fix API regresions (still Qt and OpenGL and all) and compile to Linux.
Microsoft can't touch Symbian^3 as it is now outsourced to a billion-worth-company for at least till 2017.
The E7-00. If it doesn't come preloaded with Belle, then just wait for it to arrive in februari. If it's an old one; directly upgrade to Anna via software. After Belle it's over the air updates.
Have you seen the sales figures? While it's true that Nokia loses marketshare percentage doesn't mean it is losing sales. On the contrary: iPhone and Android have just been outpacing Symbian devices in an exponentialy growing market (not only just of smartphones, but also developping countries).
Not just that; sales have been going up in Q4 of 2011 compared to Q3 of 2011.
And also; Nokia Belle (Symbian^3 Belle) is now the most advance smartphone OS on the planet. If you think I'm kidding, just look at this shit: -Qt4.7.4; -All UI features of Android and iOS combined and added upon; -NFC; -USB-host; -Mini-HDMI; -Running on monsterglas with Amoled and ClearBlack devices; -Running on the phone with still the best camera to date: Better than iPhone4S; -Media Centre; -Microsoft mobile version of OneNote, Powerpoint viewer, Sharepoint and the rest of that stuff; -Official Exchange compatibility; -Swap (never ever out of RAM with these 250MB+16GB flash storage devices); -HTMLv5 browser + mobile Adobe Flash; -Facebook and Twitter VPN; -VoIP (not an app; incorporated into the OS!); -Build in internet Radio; -Nokia offline Maps; -Et-freacking-cetera.
The OVI store has more downloads per day than Apple's and Android's Appstore/Market. Symbian smartphones webbrowser agents are turning up higher in numbers than Android and iOS combined and growing still.
Also about 75% of the worlds 3G network is Nokia-Siemens.
You know what Nokia did to Microsoft? "Lol give us money and software", so then later they can drop it again, just like they did with European Union donations for open sourcing Symbian, to later close it again. Nokia demanded Qt software on WP7, and right now Nokia is improving upon the N9 UI and working on a long-taking Symbian replacement, based on Linux.
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Car needed to make noise. Car.... noise.... noise that cars make.... car noise?
What did you expect? MP3 functionality? What about hearing Justin Bieber come by you everytime a pube drives his car past your block? -_-
Sounds like "Oh sorry officer; my light broke just now", or "Yeah the doorlock JUST broke off one minute ago".
And then you can of course claim justice, but they won't give it to you and you're fscked. Or you pay an ever more pricey lawyer.
Finaly an actual initiative to protect and serve the people! A little faith in government restored.
I don't care if they give back or don't. It would be cool to have OSM got usable data back in usable form. It would be better for both Apple and FLOSS users. But if they don't gibe it back then no damage will be done.
Apple might as well buy 'professional map' with the giant money pile they have, so it's not as if they 'stole' people their hard work to deliver quality that they couldn't get otherwise.
It will be win-win situation if Apple and OSM would share work mutually.
Then ofcourse there are the fanboys/atroturfers who can die in a fire.
They should do something else. Instead of banning things (which never works; look at drugs) and robbing people of theoretical freedom, they should start a media campaign in which hot people of the opposite sex explain why abnormal sizes are not sexy. That means size zero (no-one thinks males and female skeletons are sexy (duh)) and obese people are not sexy, obviously.
Size zero models are not selected because they're sexy (fashion designers are usualy attracted to males), but because the cloths they're wearing look better. That's it.
Also; the campaign should show that looks are not everything; heterosexual chick don't give a shit about what males look like, but how they act (and ofcourse shower for hygene). Heterosexual males can fall in love with females because they are cool chicks and choose them instead of a hotter duckface chick. But for males looks are important, but it can be stretched a little.
The underlying problem is cognitive failure, because people think that their DNA, in relation to looks, decide what they are worth. If most people are so damn ugly, then ask yourself why their genes are in the gene pool. If nobody likes these genes, then why are these genes still in the gene pool? It's natural.
The simpler and more 'primative' the better. And it's codes; not source code.
So what I'd do is the most 'primative' and effective thing there is; unhook the reciever from any actuators and unhook the neutral stuff, attached to actuators (except transmittors), from any actuators too.
Let some gifted minds go at a interim system for a week and send a technician with the interim device to the ISS. After that only the most basic stuff should be handled for interim survival of the station and the crew.
While the interim stuff is going on; let the On-board Shuttle Group rework the system along with the NSA, send that shit to the ISS and restart normal operations.
And while the NSA is there anyway; let them fix the damn security problem on the ground.
$0,02
Hey! After rain comes sunshine. Now they'll just have to wait for cloud formations again...
This is a bullshit claim as AMD planned to make CPU's in New York, Corvette makes their cars in the USA and my Nokia E7 phone is assembled in Finland...
The real problem is profit in an industry that's about cheaper cheaper cheaper faster faster FASTER!!!!11111 one one eleven.
I'd still pay for something even if it costs a little more money like, let's say, 50 dollars.
So what are the costs? Shipping ground materials? I mean hospitals are about to replace surgents with robotic arms (trials are about to start), so why can't an entire factory be automated? I means look at freaking Coca Cola; they produce cans with about less than ten people working in a factory.
There is no excuse to produce in third world countries at all.
And on top of that; LLVM is still getting pwned by GCC. The only reason Apple made their own compiler was because they were getting pwned by the GPLv3.
No I did not, because LLVM is only used for CPU JIT compiling. Again; learn the facts. This is for software acceleration.
The closed source and open source drivers for GPU's use their own compilers. There is some work on LLVM optimization, but it hasn't even left the paper stage...
Yup, 1337 mentality to the core. Clearly you are a superior form of life and we should all just bow to your ridiculous opinions, which are perfect.
Is the device able to host itself? No? Is it able to be programmed by itself? No? Then it is not a computer. It doesn't have the power to function entirely by itself, as it needs stuff like 'the Cloud' to be usefull. Unless beer drinking apps suit your needs... Pffff....
ROFL. The use of a 3D engine on the back end doesn't mean the 2D stack (including 2D APIs) goes away, moron. It's called layering. A concept which is apparently too advanced for your MASSIVE 1337 BRAIN.
What you mean is a widget toolkit and Qt is lightyears ahead of anything that Apple has to offer. And BTW; it's getting ported to HTML5 and Gallium.
Why on earth would they want to do that? So they could make shitty products? No thanks.
You don't need voice controll, dropdown menu's, multitasking? Android was there first, I believe. They still have to copy widgets to iOS...
You're an idiot if you think that "shitty internals" can supply things like speed. Or render quality. And so forth.
Of course it can... Take OpenGL 2.1, slap it on top of Linux 2.6.00, throw it on a dualcore ARM CPU and you're done.
It's a port of a complete OS (for certain values of "complete" which don't include the GUI)
You mean the 'entire OS' minus the entire userland? Wow! That leaves... Almost nothing! Wow!
Darwin (the UNIXy kernel
Darwin actualy is a certified UNIX kernel...
Those dumb-ass consumers. How dare they have preferences different from your 1337 r4d1k00L vision of how computing should work!
Computing comes from computations, you moron. If I can't freely program it then it is as much a computer as my microwave is a computer; useless household device that has only one purpose; heating my damn food...
Seriously, did you just get out of high school or something?
Jealous?
omg i see what you did there
Glad you came it touch with reality then...
but back here in the real world Apple has its own graphics stack which is much better than X11 or Gallium
So out of touch with reality... Gallium3D is more modern, more feature rich and according to benchmarks also faster. I wonder where you get that fanboy view from... Ah I bet it's the reality distortion field :)
(Quartz being the native 2D graphics system.)
There is no such thing as a 2D graphics stack because there is no 2D engine on moderns GPU's anymore, but nice try moron...
Poor Apple, with their simply useless iPhone that just grossed more in the last quarter than all of Microsoft's operations combined... Whatever shall they do?
Copy Android ofcourse...
You can't provide a good user experience with "shitty internals", trollboy.
Oh yes you can; the only thing that the end user is seeing is a case, a screen, a UI and speed. Nothing more...
You simply don't get it. On modern OS's like Linux and Windows, OpenGL is nothing but an API that's converted to bytecode and JIT compiled by the graphics driver. This IR (intermediate representation) bytecode is the same for everything from OpenGL to OpenCL and SVG to video playback.
The way Apple implements it is from the stoneage. Just because there is GLSL doesn't mean that the GPU is still supporting it in any kind of way.
Learn the facts.
One cannot simply beat an argument with reality. At least the RAM realy is overpriced. Fanboyism is also kind of true given the crusade after Job's death; I'd say that's true as well...
Fanboys? Overpriced RAM? Pick two.
Windows 8 is ported to ARM as well (also Office). About Steam... If it was actually working on OS X with their shitty and outdated fixed-pipeline-driver architecture that is slower than a snail...
It's probably just a single layer, out of many (drivers).
I bet Apple made a whole lot of stuff that simply ended up in the bin. Failing is learning. Learning is knowing how to do stuff better. Doing stuff better from a dumb-ass consumer perspective is what Apple's been doing.
I'm not sure if this port will actually do Apple any good. They are either getting serious with tablets, now that Windows 8 and the unlocked Spark KDE tablets are comming to market (fully usable computers you know), or they are rewriting OS X largely. I have a feeling that they are doing the last, since Apple's about to rebase on the upcomming X.org (project managed for release by an Apple guy this time) and that involves an actual modern GPU architecture (like Gallium3D, like Windows GPU drivers are now written).
Poor Apple... with their outdated OS X, useless iPad and simply useless iPhone... They have been surpassed by Fedora and Windows. Spot the John Doe who comes whining down, screaming about user experience (*cough* glossy UI over shitty internals*cough*) in about 3... 2... 1...
It's neither. A population can take a lot, but only so much. It's when the last straw snaps that people are willing to die to overthrow their government in protest.
It's only a matter of time before terrorism will be practised by western people against the west and not just by some random extremist nutcase-organisations.
There maybe enough laws, technology, police and military personel, but they are all outnumbered once an entire population sais "Fsck it! I'm not taking this shit any longer!" and then the shit hits the fan, at 100.000 miles/hour.
I'd go for hoping x86 will die. It's an outdated piece of junk, that even internally doesn't work anymore. Intels and AMD's simply convert that crap to RISC-ish architectures. The reason that they don't make the CPU ARM instruction compatible is because the instructions change everytime, just to get x86 apps to work faster. This has been said by John Bridgman, AMD's GPU driver manager, so the info must be correct.
It won't hurt open source and Microsoft has an internal port of Office and Windows already running on the Texas instruments and Tegra ARM platforms. This will come as Windows 8 on tablets. Killer combination, if you ask me. iPad is going to get a run for its profits.
This is pretty much in line with the AMD's Coreboot BIOS assasination strategy and the Radeon free software strategy.
Gotto love those geeks at the top of AMD :D
Symbian is now on contract with a billion-worth-company that has Symbian in its grap for at least untill 2017. Qt is now community managed. Yes Microsoft can make a proprietary form of what they bought in terms of code then, but the improved stuff is GPL'ed and Microsoft can't kill it.
Meanwhile the other OS isn't cut off at all and it is needed for the Asian and African market to keep Nokia floating and Microsoft can't kill Nokia because then they would kill their mobile phone efforts.
But Qt and all the other stuff is now community managed, what is controlled by Nokia that is. The Nokia WP7 store (next to Windows appstore) is fully platform independant and fully Nokia spec dependant. So a simple move to the next awaited OS is as easy as importing project->fix API regresions (still Qt and OpenGL and all) and compile to Linux.
Microsoft can't touch Symbian^3 as it is now outsourced to a billion-worth-company for at least till 2017.
We're talking phones that go up to 600 USD, and mostly subsription stuff. Nobody is buy a subcription/plan for someone on cristmass >.
The E7-00. If it doesn't come preloaded with Belle, then just wait for it to arrive in februari. If it's an old one; directly upgrade to Anna via software. After Belle it's over the air updates.
http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-e7-00
Moron, the E55 is Symbian S60: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S60_(software_platform)
It is outdated recycled crap for cheap phones.
I'm talking about the Symbian^3 platform: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/14093_Reasons_NOT_to_want_Symbian_Be.php
Kinda different?
Have you seen the sales figures? While it's true that Nokia loses marketshare percentage doesn't mean it is losing sales. On the contrary: iPhone and Android have just been outpacing Symbian devices in an exponentialy growing market (not only just of smartphones, but also developping countries).
Not just that; sales have been going up in Q4 of 2011 compared to Q3 of 2011.
And also; Nokia Belle (Symbian^3 Belle) is now the most advance smartphone OS on the planet. If you think I'm kidding, just look at this shit:
-Qt4.7.4;
-All UI features of Android and iOS combined and added upon;
-NFC;
-USB-host;
-Mini-HDMI;
-Running on monsterglas with Amoled and ClearBlack devices;
-Running on the phone with still the best camera to date: Better than iPhone4S;
-Media Centre;
-Microsoft mobile version of OneNote, Powerpoint viewer, Sharepoint and the rest of that stuff;
-Official Exchange compatibility;
-Swap (never ever out of RAM with these 250MB+16GB flash storage devices);
-HTMLv5 browser + mobile Adobe Flash;
-Facebook and Twitter VPN;
-VoIP (not an app; incorporated into the OS!);
-Build in internet Radio;
-Nokia offline Maps;
-Et-freacking-cetera.
The OVI store has more downloads per day than Apple's and Android's Appstore/Market. Symbian smartphones webbrowser agents are turning up higher in numbers than Android and iOS combined and growing still.
Also about 75% of the worlds 3G network is Nokia-Siemens.
You know what Nokia did to Microsoft? "Lol give us money and software", so then later they can drop it again, just like they did with European Union donations for open sourcing Symbian, to later close it again. Nokia demanded Qt software on WP7, and right now Nokia is improving upon the N9 UI and working on a long-taking Symbian replacement, based on Linux.
Who's fucking who?