Your analogy fails. What if you had invested a huge amount of money and time hiring people to program and build the machine?
The standard line about "sharing/theft" from the p2p crowd fails to consider that the person doing the sharing is not the creator, merely a user. For a user, there is no loss with a digital copy. For a creator, who depends on the creation for income, there is a loss of potential income. At which point we get to the "I would never have paid for that junk anyway" argument, to which the obvious response is "if it has no value to you, you won't mind not having it."
I know people that just download stuff from the pirate bay just because they can. Also, there are some people who don't think program_x is worth as much as they would have to pay for it, so they pirate it.
...Why you would run Windows on top of Linux, given not only the stability history but also since now there are now FOSS alternatives for almost anything Windows can provide, without taking a huge hit to the "total cost of ownership".
No. There aren't. Period. There is no FOSS alterantive for LOTs of things, and even when there is switching is cost prohibitive and pointless.
accounting: nope. And migrating to a linux alternative even if one existed would be monstrously expensive for any business of size.
photoshop/illustrator: nope. sure there is the gimp etc, which is all fine and good. But you need to integrate with a workflow where you are exchanging files with other businesses etc you have to use the tools they are using.
because the gimp can't open photoshop files
microsoft access, filemaker pro, 4D... millions of highly custom applications exist for these to fit business needs. Even if an alternative "application building framework" exists on Linux, the cost of migrating and reimplementing these applications is prohibative. Companies that rely on these won't even consider switching until FM, 4D, etc run on linux natively.
sql server - lots of businesses rely heavily on this. And even if postgresql or mysql, etc could do the job, again, its a massive amount of work to migrate from one to the other.
exchange - nothing needs to be said.
visual studio - sure linux alternatives exist, and you can even just use vi or notepad, but VS2008 is REALLY good.
Any developer that depends on an IDE to write code should not call him/herself a developer.IDES are something that linux is not short of, there are so many IDEs for linux, proprietary or F/OSS, I'm sure a developer could find one to work with
I never heard of them either (and will, no doubt, forget their names quickly enough). I also don't give a rat's ass what was said about them anywhere.
But they obviously care if vitriolic untruths were spread about them in a public forum. Perhaps the next time one of them applies for a job, or tries to rent an apartment (for instance), that vitriol will come up in the google search. It is significant for them now and in the future.
And thats why you don't always use your real name on random forums
I really don't understand how a torrent site can be taken down because of copy right infrigement, all they do is host.torrent files and track them, they don't actually have copyright infringing material on the site itself
On my old PC laptop, Ubuntu gets very unresponsive, even with every combination of ATI drivers I use. Both Windows XP and Windows Vista boot as fast, if not faster, on it than Ubuntu did. In fact, Windows Vista was generally more responsive during normal use. There were plenty of times where Vista could easily handle stuff like Firefox with Flash and some other stuff open, but Ubuntu would slow down to a crawl.
Mod me down if you want, but I've found Windows to be faster and more responsive out of the box, especially against modern Linux distributions.
I guess many CIOs/expert users will balk at this... In the office, I am perfectly productive on a 3 years old AMD processor, 512MB ram and a 120 MB hard disk...
but I can see why some countries don't accept freedom of speech as an absolute value and want to put some restrictions on it (hate speech being an example).
Why should some countries put restrictions on freedom of speech? As soon as you put restrictions on freedom of speech you start down the path where you will end up being something like china. Hate speech should be perfectly legal, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Who gets to decide what "hate speech" is, you can define "hate speech" as anything, really. I could say that you saying your opinion on this matter is hate speech if I really wanted to.
because maybe the korean ISPs aren't as greedy and actually spend money on building infastructure unlike american ISPs who try to suck as much money out of everyone as possible
Can you not generalize the whole F/OSS community when you have only used ubuntu please?
I am using Ubuntu as a reference because it is the closest to a professional release cycle available in the F/OSS world. I'm also pointing to the fact that a Microsoft beta has already gone through QA whereas a linux beta is currently *in* QA-- so they tend to be a lot more broken.
I don't see how ubuntu is any more closer to a "professional release cycle" then any other distro with a 6 month release cycle
I've screwed around with plenty of linux distributions and they're not really worth mentioning. They are barely different from one another and none are as polished or supported as Ubuntu.
You almost owed me a new screen when I read that last part;). Ubuntu is probably the least polished linux distro there is, and ubuntu isn't any more different from any other linux distro, its basically debian for newbies. Ubuntu isn't really anything new on the distro scene besides the fact that it oriented toward people who are new to linux.
I've been using the Beta for a while and it isn't a beta like say... an Ubuntu beta. This is a beta of a quality the open source world cannot obtain. We call this a release in linuxland..
Can you not generalize the whole F/OSS community when you have only used ubuntu please?
Having run the beta since its release, I can say it's more the latter than the former. Windows 7 is prettier and feels faster than Vista ever did on the same hardware.
OMG its pretty, thats exactlt the reason they should release it, its not like anyone cares if it actually works right?, as long as it is pretty
Are you talking about mandriva 7.0 from 2000? or mandriva 2007?, if you are running the former, I find it hard to belive it runs on any new laptop, and if it does, its a major security risk considering it hasn't be supported for most of this decade.
I really don't understand why teachers need to be paid more. I had a friend once, whose parents were both teachers and they had a boat, a cabin, various computers and laptops, a new SUV, a prettty nice house and 3 kids. If they don't get paid enough now, then how much more should we pay them?, money doesn't exactly grow on trees either.
There is a slight difference between a women being randomly raped on the street and someone not doing anything at all to protect themselves from a botnet. There isn't much the woman could do to defend herself thats within reason, but there is alot the average computer user could do to protect their computer, eg. installing updates regularly, using a decent anti-virus etc. But I still think the guy that created should still be punished, regardless
Most people I know just use wikipedia to look up something quickly and if it sounds outrageous, then thats when you dig out the references, you obviously wouldn't use wikipedia or britannica to write a university paper.
Thus proving beyond the shadow of a doubt the weakness of arguments from authority.
An argument from an authority is something to keep it mind. It shouldn't dictate your thinking.
Linus's needs at any one time will be different from yours or mine. And vice versa.
Anyway, I always liked Gnome. KDE used to feel really cluttered and buggy (many kde-based distros back in the day where the basic compiler stuff didn't work out of the box without throwing out errors, just trying to compile your basic helloworld.c for instance) although I haven't tried it since the 2.x day tbh.
However there are also a lot of Bad Open Source apps out there which will take me more time to make good that it would be cheaper to get a closed source version and deal with stuff I cant change.
If you create an operating system and purposely make it to annoy the users, what do you think you'll get?
Assuming you're talking about UAC, then you'll get a more secure and only slightly more annoying operating system. That was actually one of the things I liked about Vista, though it could have been implemented better. What killed it for me is how bloated and sluggish it is.
The thing about UAC is that it doesn't make it more secure if all you have to do is press allow, users will just click allow each time because it requires no effort
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Your analogy fails. What if you had invested a huge amount of money and time hiring people to program and build the machine? The standard line about "sharing/theft" from the p2p crowd fails to consider that the person doing the sharing is not the creator, merely a user. For a user, there is no loss with a digital copy. For a creator, who depends on the creation for income, there is a loss of potential income. At which point we get to the "I would never have paid for that junk anyway" argument, to which the obvious response is "if it has no value to you, you won't mind not having it."
I know people that just download stuff from the pirate bay just because they can. Also, there are some people who don't think program_x is worth as much as they would have to pay for it, so they pirate it.
No. There aren't. Period. There is no FOSS alterantive for LOTs of things, and even when there is switching is cost prohibitive and pointless.
accounting: nope. And migrating to a linux alternative even if one existed would be monstrously expensive for any business of size.
photoshop/illustrator: nope. sure there is the gimp etc, which is all fine and good. But you need to integrate with a workflow where you are exchanging files with other businesses etc you have to use the tools they are using.
because the gimp can't open photoshop files
microsoft access, filemaker pro, 4D... millions of highly custom applications exist for these to fit business needs. Even if an alternative "application building framework" exists on Linux, the cost of migrating and reimplementing these applications is prohibative. Companies that rely on these won't even consider switching until FM, 4D, etc run on linux natively.
sql server - lots of businesses rely heavily on this. And even if postgresql or mysql, etc could do the job, again, its a massive amount of work to migrate from one to the other.
exchange - nothing needs to be said.
visual studio - sure linux alternatives exist, and you can even just use vi or notepad, but VS2008 is REALLY good.
Any developer that depends on an IDE to write code should not call him/herself a developer.IDES are something that linux is not short of, there are so many IDEs for linux, proprietary or F/OSS, I'm sure a developer could find one to work with
It would make more sense if it were: if(person.haveCake()) person.eat(cake); ;)
I never heard of them either (and will, no doubt, forget their names quickly enough). I also don't give a rat's ass what was said about them anywhere. But they obviously care if vitriolic untruths were spread about them in a public forum. Perhaps the next time one of them applies for a job, or tries to rent an apartment (for instance), that vitriol will come up in the google search. It is significant for them now and in the future.
And thats why you don't always use your real name on random forums
But then shouldn't google, yahoo and live search be shut down too, because you can use them to find copyright infringing material?
I really don't understand how a torrent site can be taken down because of copy right infrigement, all they do is host .torrent files and track them, they don't actually have copyright infringing material on the site itself
On my old PC laptop, Ubuntu gets very unresponsive, even with every combination of ATI drivers I use. Both Windows XP and Windows Vista boot as fast, if not faster, on it than Ubuntu did. In fact, Windows Vista was generally more responsive during normal use. There were plenty of times where Vista could easily handle stuff like Firefox with Flash and some other stuff open, but Ubuntu would slow down to a crawl.
Mod me down if you want, but I've found Windows to be faster and more responsive out of the box, especially against modern Linux distributions.
modern linux distributions != ubuntu
I guess many CIOs/expert users will balk at this... In the office, I am perfectly productive on a 3 years old AMD processor, 512MB ram and a 120 MB hard disk...
I assume you mean 120 GB harddrive?
but I can see why some countries don't accept freedom of speech as an absolute value and want to put some restrictions on it (hate speech being an example).
Why should some countries put restrictions on freedom of speech? As soon as you put restrictions on freedom of speech you start down the path where you will end up being something like china. Hate speech should be perfectly legal, I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. Who gets to decide what "hate speech" is, you can define "hate speech" as anything, really. I could say that you saying your opinion on this matter is hate speech if I really wanted to.
because maybe the korean ISPs aren't as greedy and actually spend money on building infastructure unlike american ISPs who try to suck as much money out of everyone as possible
Can you not generalize the whole F/OSS community when you have only used ubuntu please?
I am using Ubuntu as a reference because it is the closest to a professional release cycle available in the F/OSS world. I'm also pointing to the fact that a Microsoft beta has already gone through QA whereas a linux beta is currently *in* QA-- so they tend to be a lot more broken.
I don't see how ubuntu is any more closer to a "professional release cycle" then any other distro with a 6 month release cycle
I've screwed around with plenty of linux distributions and they're not really worth mentioning. They are barely different from one another and none are as polished or supported as Ubuntu.
You almost owed me a new screen when I read that last part ;). Ubuntu is probably the least polished linux distro there is, and ubuntu isn't any more different from any other linux distro, its basically debian for newbies. Ubuntu isn't really anything new on the distro scene besides the fact that it oriented toward people who are new to linux.
I've been using the Beta for a while and it isn't a beta like say... an Ubuntu beta. This is a beta of a quality the open source world cannot obtain. We call this a release in linuxland. .
Can you not generalize the whole F/OSS community when you have only used ubuntu please?
Having run the beta since its release, I can say it's more the latter than the former. Windows 7 is prettier and feels faster than Vista ever did on the same hardware.
OMG its pretty, thats exactlt the reason they should release it, its not like anyone cares if it actually works right?, as long as it is pretty
Well from my understanding of it, you get some people from a crowd and shove them through a compiler
Are you talking about mandriva 7.0 from 2000? or mandriva 2007?, if you are running the former, I find it hard to belive it runs on any new laptop, and if it does, its a major security risk considering it hasn't be supported for most of this decade.
These people will want to setup wireless via a GUI.
"These people" will probably call their local tech to set up their wireless, regardless of how easy it is
I really don't understand why teachers need to be paid more. I had a friend once, whose parents were both teachers and they had a boat, a cabin, various computers and laptops, a new SUV, a prettty nice house and 3 kids. If they don't get paid enough now, then how much more should we pay them?, money doesn't exactly grow on trees either.
. It isn't as if this guy just kind of tripped over a botnet and accidentally stole some identities. This was an intentional criminal act.
Are you saying that has never happened to you before?, it happens to me everyday
There is a slight difference between a women being randomly raped on the street and someone not doing anything at all to protect themselves from a botnet. There isn't much the woman could do to defend herself thats within reason, but there is alot the average computer user could do to protect their computer, eg. installing updates regularly, using a decent anti-virus etc. But I still think the guy that created should still be punished, regardless
Most people I know just use wikipedia to look up something quickly and if it sounds outrageous, then thats when you dig out the references, you obviously wouldn't use wikipedia or britannica to write a university paper.
An argument from an authority is something to keep it mind. It shouldn't dictate your thinking.
Linus's needs at any one time will be different from yours or mine. And vice versa.
Anyway, I always liked Gnome. KDE used to feel really cluttered and buggy (many kde-based distros back in the day where the basic compiler stuff didn't work out of the box without throwing out errors, just trying to compile your basic helloworld.c for instance) although I haven't tried it since the 2.x day tbh.
the distro's compiler not working is kde's fault?
Except for that part where they bribed iso
However there are also a lot of Bad Open Source apps out there which will take me more time to make good that it would be cheaper to get a closed source version and deal with stuff I cant change.
The reverse is true as well
But who says that their goal is to get more users?
If you create an operating system and purposely make it to annoy the users, what do you think you'll get?
Assuming you're talking about UAC, then you'll get a more secure and only slightly more annoying operating system. That was actually one of the things I liked about Vista, though it could have been implemented better. What killed it for me is how bloated and sluggish it is.
The thing about UAC is that it doesn't make it more secure if all you have to do is press allow, users will just click allow each time because it requires no effort