Oh wise and magnificent guru, how you do suggest we do that? Wouldn't want to be lazy, after all.
Let's assume I just installed relatively uknown perl module uglebugle and C library fdasgfgfa by CPAN and "make install", I didn't, of course, notify package manager about this because it has to be smart enough to deal with them itself. Now our package manager scans a file system and notices few new files, fdasgfgfa.so and uglebugle.pm, of course there's no trace of them in it's package database because they aren't installed trough it.
So what should it do? a) it's omnipotent and just knows. b) we must have magnificent better-than-human-AI that can do a google search or something like that and identify those files without any possibility of false positives. c) we scan the filesystem for filenames that are similar to those libraries we found and try to parse name from README's etc. This obviously mustn't return any false positives either. d) got any suggestions?
Package manager has what files belong to which software package unless they are installed trough itself.
Unless of course it keeps book of every software in the whole world and all their files, but that's obviously impossible.
How hard is it to install CPAN modules in the first place? This seems like a solution without a problem to me.
It isn't very hard to do "./configure && make install" either for normal software, yet we still haver package managers?
Why, you ask? Because we want to be able to uninstall stuff as well, because we want to have dependencies and because we want everything relating to software installation be handled by one program (apt or yum, for example).
So, not only are they converting Perl modules to a format they don't really need to be in
Perl modules are libraries and they need to be packaged just as much as C/C++ libraries!
but they're making the thing harder to use than CPAN is already.
Simply untrue, why would "apt-get install foo-bar" be any harder than "perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo::bar'" or whatever. Actually, Perl/CPAN version is bit harder to use.
You may not see it, but there was a problem and this is exactly the solution that was needed.
Except that while you're not settled in there makes finding that answer way more difficult.
Probe found something you didn't except that might be a sign for life? Drats. Let's send another one that is prepared for this finding, it'll only take ten years to get it there. Maybe it'll find answer, or just another question that needs yet another probe to be sent, and yet another decade wasted.
Scientist on outpost found something? No prob. study it, determine if it really is a life sign, have answer to your biggest question. Takes insignificant fraction of time mentioned in probe example. Humans can adapt, machines can not.
Whatever MIR was, it was lot more than any U.S. space station has been.
It also outlived its planned life (as well as that of any U.S. junk that has ever been up there) by three times.
Let's talk about those myths again after you manage to keep even an excercise in shade-tree mechanism not only orbiting but manned and conducting scientific studies for fifteen years.
If you know you have virus that can be removed by setting the clock, then you'd have removed it anyway, bazillions of john does and other morons who are the real problem will never know, or care.
Thus, it will generate unnecessary traffic to ad infinitum if it isn't "after".
but the sorts of games that the other poster meant sometimes have to be a little more intimate with the system and rely on lower-level OS functionality than the Win32 API.
Yes, of course they need bit more than Win32 API. That's what the DirectX is for, and that's what most games use to get "intimate with the system", instead of magic win9x only kludgery.
Of course, once new systems stopped shipping with Win98SE and Me, all the game developers instantly saw the light, and they had several months to get their act together before the number of new WinXP
And I did mean those same big and complex games, not solitaire, when I stated 90% for w2k gold, way before XP was even in the horizon. Over a year before anyone shipped XP in any form and "game developers saw the light". The percentage may not be accurate but it isn't far off.
Heck, I've got lots of first hand experience on running complex 3d etc games on stock win2k, long before XP came around. Don't believe me if you don't want but it doesn't make those games any less real or any less willing to run.
Most of them probably would've run without any modifications even on NT4 if MS had included more recent DX with it!
OS that has 95% market share is bit different from one with 1% market share when it comes to "games coming later".
And it's not even true, win32 is win32 is win32. As long as it has recent DirectX, most games will run. W2k ran probably 90% of Win9x games right out of the box, XP bit better. Nobody had to actually write or port anything specifically to NT systems.
Of course those people can figure things out on their own, but it will take more time. Time is money, you don't want to spend it if there is faster way.
Simple color codes are a fast way, they point you immediately to right script that has a problem, no need to go trough all 5000 lines of them. And they are easy to implement, it's not like fsckin return values and how to utilize them is a new thing in software world.
So let me get this straight, you're comparing RH7.3 and RH9 (a.k.a. we'll give it to you for free so you can play with it in home and get some brand to ourselves at the same time -products) to SuSE ENTERPRISE version and conclude that latter is more stable and has better support? How am I not surprised.
Ok. I'll take some of it back, something can make it trough and take a picture.
First, you'd probably need way more complex (and vulnerable) units than a simple camera for picking up life signs. Maybe take samples, analyze them somehow, etc.
All this seems to be very hard in Mars without the extra requirements needed on Venus.
That unit only lasted operational for 53 minutes... you could take plenty of shots in that (they didn't. was the camera stationary? or did it blow right after the first one?), but can you do those other things? Aerogel et all could probably extend that life-expectancy for original probe like setup, but new sensory hardware would decrease it, will the compromise end up as near-insta death, somewhat lower, somewhat higher, lot higher, or in other words enough time to do what it must? Seriously doubt it, but I'm not a hostile-environment specialist.
We might be able to do somewhat better, but then again we might not - Russians weren't probably too picky about budget back in 1975, now vs. then economical disadvantage might be bigger than technological advantage.
Part of why it doesn't always work on/. might be the fact that we have lots of non-native English speakers (like myself), subtle language tricks are always harder to spot when not overly good at it.
The Galeon team have NO ONE to blame but themselves
Stop blaming wrong people. The current Galeon team is not the one who raped it and removed all the features. The ex-"Galeon team" that did that is now the Epiphany team!
People who did this sacrilege to Galeon went on to fork Epiphany because some of the Galeon developers had had enough, and those some developers left are now the current Galeon team (very few left though, give them a hand, they deserve it for not abandoning their goals), and they are working very hard to restore best parts of 1.2 series into gtk2 version now that the "eeek, a feature -remove it, quick!" folks are gone.
a painful lesson of what can happen to an OSS project when nobody has their hand on the rudder.
Quite the opposite, there was a very strong hand on the rudder, only that hand wanted to steer the project into direction that alienated all of the users and lot of the developers.
There are few developers left who didn't go on to work on that stupid fork, and they're working hard to make Galeon back to what it was. Best. Browser. Ever.
New 1.3.x versions are already lot better than the first gtk2 releases, I bet they could use some help though...
Vast majority of micro-organisms are harmless, and quite a few of them are extremely beneficial, or actually vital. You couldn't live without microbes, and neither would any higher animal or probably even plant.
Only a VERY small fraction of all microbes are pathogenic. Go see a therapist, maybe they can rid you of that microbiophobia.
There are plenty of things that survice on temperatures below zero degrees celsius, even some bigger ones (like few fish). Nothing that is this far from the average, but then again conditions where you could find that kind of organisms on Earth are very rare, probably even more so than these deep-sea thermal vent critters.
And if they can survive in one extreme, it gives a reason to believe other is also possible. Though in reality temperature of Mars is closer to 121C than conditions on Venus - average Martian temperature is -63C, difference of ~200, average on Venus is 457C, difference of over three hundred degree celsius. Surface temperature of Venus is hotter than Mercury!
And even if there would be life on Venus, how the heck do you plan on finding it there? Ever present almost total cloud cover will make finding a landing place nigh impossible, and even if that could somehow be achieved no hardware of ours would survive the winds, somewhat corrosive atmosphere and infernal temperatures. In short, you can describe the place rather accurately with one word: Hell.
Hotmail would be more accurately described as best free SPAM service.
Thunderbird's bayesian filtering could in theory make it at least somewhat usable, with web and/or OE interface you might as well be looking at crap coming from/dev/urandom, around 1 mail in thousands spams ratio doesn't make finding the real stuff very easy.
Well, you copypaste them letter at time from charmap or something!
Not that anyone in their right minds would go trough all that hassle, not to mention would be just as easy as keyboard (if not easier) to sniff as well.
While all you seem to hold this as evil or something, have you ever considered that maybe the surgeon cares about the child.
Regardless of the personal feelings of the grandparent poster, (s)he doesn't have any experience in the other side of the coin. Eg. what kind of life (s)he would have had if they'd allowed him/her to be multisexed.
I'm quite certain that 99.9% of a time, person like that would be treated as a freak by everyone if anyone at all found out about it, and his/her life would be a social nightmare, doesn't sound very inviting to me. Better to feel slighly different than to be forever laughed and tormented by others.
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Ahem. Diamond is CARBON.
It WILL burn, combustion point (in 1 atm) is around 870-1070K, that is, 597-797C, way less than it takes to melt those copper wires.
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# (apt-get|yum) install myperl
....
The following packages will be installed:
myperl, libsomeshit, libXML, mozilla
Need to get n MB of archives.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
And then the packages are installed, and you live happily everafter.
That is:
Package manager has no idea about what files belong to which software package unless they are installed trough itself.
Should've used the damn preview...
Oh wise and magnificent guru, how you do suggest we do that? Wouldn't want to be lazy, after all.
Let's assume I just installed relatively uknown perl module uglebugle and C library fdasgfgfa by CPAN and "make install", I didn't, of course, notify package manager about this because it has to be smart enough to deal with them itself. Now our package manager scans a file system and notices few new files, fdasgfgfa.so and uglebugle.pm, of course there's no trace of them in it's package database because they aren't installed trough it.
So what should it do?
a) it's omnipotent and just knows.
b) we must have magnificent better-than-human-AI that can do a google search or something like that and identify those files without any possibility of false positives.
c) we scan the filesystem for filenames that are similar to those libraries we found and try to parse name from README's etc. This obviously mustn't return any false positives either.
d) got any suggestions?
Package manager has what files belong to which software package unless they are installed trough itself.
Unless of course it keeps book of every software in the whole world and all their files, but that's obviously impossible.
How hard is it to install CPAN modules in the first place? This seems like a solution without a problem to me.
It isn't very hard to do "./configure && make install" either for normal software, yet we still haver package managers?
Why, you ask? Because we want to be able to uninstall stuff as well, because we want to have dependencies and because we want everything relating to software installation be handled by one program (apt or yum, for example).
So, not only are they converting Perl modules to a format they don't really need to be in
Perl modules are libraries and they need to be packaged just as much as C/C++ libraries!
but they're making the thing harder to use than CPAN is already.
Simply untrue, why would "apt-get install foo-bar" be any harder than "perl -MCPAN -e 'install foo::bar'" or whatever. Actually, Perl/CPAN version is bit harder to use.
You may not see it, but there was a problem and this is exactly the solution that was needed.
Except that while you're not settled in there makes finding that answer way more difficult.
Probe found something you didn't except that might be a sign for life? Drats. Let's send another one that is prepared for this finding, it'll only take ten years to get it there. Maybe it'll find answer, or just another question that needs yet another probe to be sent, and yet another decade wasted.
Scientist on outpost found something? No prob. study it, determine if it really is a life sign, have answer to your biggest question. Takes insignificant fraction of time mentioned in probe example. Humans can adapt, machines can not.
Whatever MIR was, it was lot more than any U.S. space station has been.
It also outlived its planned life (as well as that of any U.S. junk that has ever been up there) by three times.
Let's talk about those myths again after you manage to keep even an excercise in shade-tree mechanism not only orbiting but manned and conducting scientific studies for fifteen years.
That estimation seems to be for GNU/Linux.
Linux kernel has only about five million lines of code, so SCO isn't going for mere 3.3%, the nutcases think they own 1/5 of Linux!
No, it's NOT irrelevant.
If you know you have virus that can be removed by setting the clock, then you'd have removed it anyway, bazillions of john does and other morons who are the real problem will never know, or care.
Thus, it will generate unnecessary traffic to ad infinitum if it isn't "after".
but the sorts of games that the other poster meant sometimes have to be a little more intimate with the system and rely on lower-level OS functionality than the Win32 API.
Yes, of course they need bit more than Win32 API. That's what the DirectX is for, and that's what most games use to get "intimate with the system", instead of magic win9x only kludgery.
Of course, once new systems stopped shipping with Win98SE and Me, all the game developers instantly saw the light, and they had several months to get their act together before the number of new WinXP
And I did mean those same big and complex games, not solitaire, when I stated 90% for w2k gold, way before XP was even in the horizon. Over a year before anyone shipped XP in any form and "game developers saw the light". The percentage may not be accurate but it isn't far off.
Heck, I've got lots of first hand experience on running complex 3d etc games on stock win2k, long before XP came around. Don't believe me if you don't want but it doesn't make those games any less real or any less willing to run.
Most of them probably would've run without any modifications even on NT4 if MS had included more recent DX with it!
OS that has 95% market share is bit different from one with 1% market share when it comes to "games coming later".
And it's not even true, win32 is win32 is win32. As long as it has recent DirectX, most games will run. W2k ran probably 90% of Win9x games right out of the box, XP bit better. Nobody had to actually write or port anything specifically to NT systems.
Of course those people can figure things out on their own, but it will take more time. Time is money, you don't want to spend it if there is faster way.
Simple color codes are a fast way, they point you immediately to right script that has a problem, no need to go trough all 5000 lines of them. And they are easy to implement, it's not like fsckin return values and how to utilize them is a new thing in software world.
So let me get this straight, you're comparing RH7.3 and RH9 (a.k.a. we'll give it to you for free so you can play with it in home and get some brand to ourselves at the same time -products) to SuSE ENTERPRISE version and conclude that latter is more stable and has better support? How am I not surprised.
Is that is exactly the way you wrote it and not a typo into a /. post?
Two hyphens.
Ok. I'll take some of it back, something can make it trough and take a picture.
First, you'd probably need way more complex (and vulnerable) units than a simple camera for picking up life signs. Maybe take samples, analyze them somehow, etc.
All this seems to be very hard in Mars without the extra requirements needed on Venus.
That unit only lasted operational for 53 minutes... you could take plenty of shots in that (they didn't. was the camera stationary? or did it blow right after the first one?), but can you do those other things? Aerogel et all could probably extend that life-expectancy for original probe like setup, but new sensory hardware would decrease it, will the compromise end up as near-insta death, somewhat lower, somewhat higher, lot higher, or in other words enough time to do what it must? Seriously doubt it, but I'm not a hostile-environment specialist.
We might be able to do somewhat better, but then again we might not - Russians weren't probably too picky about budget back in 1975, now vs. then economical disadvantage might be bigger than technological advantage.
Ah. Yes.
/. might be the fact that we have lots of non-native English speakers (like myself), subtle language tricks are always harder to spot when not overly good at it.
*goes to hide in the corner*
Part of why it doesn't always work on
What do GTK1.x programs and their backward compability to do with lousy file dialog in GTK2 which is totally incompatible with any gtk1 stuff anyway?
The Galeon team have NO ONE to blame but themselves
Stop blaming wrong people. The current Galeon team is not the one who raped it and removed all the features. The ex-"Galeon team" that did that is now the Epiphany team!
People who did this sacrilege to Galeon went on to fork Epiphany because some of the Galeon developers had had enough, and those some developers left are now the current Galeon team (very few left though, give them a hand, they deserve it for not abandoning their goals), and they are working very hard to restore best parts of 1.2 series into gtk2 version now that the "eeek, a feature -remove it, quick!" folks are gone.
a painful lesson of what can happen to an OSS project when nobody has their hand on the rudder.
Quite the opposite, there was a very strong hand on the rudder, only that hand wanted to steer the project into direction that alienated all of the users and lot of the developers.
Lack of a rootless mode
Another of the "manuals are for wussies" folk, eh?
How about trying nautilus --no-desktop for once.
There are few developers left who didn't go on to work on that stupid fork, and they're working hard to make Galeon back to what it was. Best. Browser. Ever.
New 1.3.x versions are already lot better than the first gtk2 releases, I bet they could use some help though...
That is utter and complete bullshit.
Vast majority of micro-organisms are harmless, and quite a few of them are extremely beneficial, or actually vital. You couldn't live without microbes, and neither would any higher animal or probably even plant.
Only a VERY small fraction of all microbes are pathogenic. Go see a therapist, maybe they can rid you of that microbiophobia.
There are plenty of things that survice on temperatures below zero degrees celsius, even some bigger ones (like few fish). Nothing that is this far from the average, but then again conditions where you could find that kind of organisms on Earth are very rare, probably even more so than these deep-sea thermal vent critters.
And if they can survive in one extreme, it gives a reason to believe other is also possible. Though in reality temperature of Mars is closer to 121C than conditions on Venus - average Martian temperature is -63C, difference of ~200, average on Venus is 457C, difference of over three hundred degree celsius. Surface temperature of Venus is hotter than Mercury!
And even if there would be life on Venus, how the heck do you plan on finding it there? Ever present almost total cloud cover will make finding a landing place nigh impossible, and even if that could somehow be achieved no hardware of ours would survive the winds, somewhat corrosive atmosphere and infernal temperatures. In short, you can describe the place rather accurately with one word: Hell.
Hotmail would be more accurately described as best free SPAM service.
/dev/urandom, around 1 mail in thousands spams ratio doesn't make finding the real stuff very easy.
Thunderbird's bayesian filtering could in theory make it at least somewhat usable, with web and/or OE interface you might as well be looking at crap coming from
Well, you copypaste them letter at time from charmap or something!
Not that anyone in their right minds would go trough all that hassle, not to mention would be just as easy as keyboard (if not easier) to sniff as well.
While all you seem to hold this as evil or something, have you ever considered that maybe the surgeon cares about the child.
Regardless of the personal feelings of the grandparent poster, (s)he doesn't have any experience in the other side of the coin. Eg. what kind of life (s)he would have had if they'd allowed him/her to be multisexed.
I'm quite certain that 99.9% of a time, person like that would be treated as a freak by everyone if anyone at all found out about it, and his/her life would be a social nightmare, doesn't sound very inviting to me. Better to feel slighly different than to be forever laughed and tormented by others.
Ahem. Diamond is CARBON.
It WILL burn, combustion point (in 1 atm) is around 870-1070K, that is, 597-797C, way less than it takes to melt those copper wires.
Tin solder would be in trouble, though.