Okay, it's time for "Help out a Newbie". I assume you want that hyperlink in your sig to go to your past posts? Well linking to "users.pl" will show our user info screens (if we have cookies enabled) or a login screen. I think you really want to be linking to "http://slashdot.org/users.pl?op=userinfo&nick=2nd +Post!". Have fun.
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While I agree, people make too big a deal over installation. After all, you should only have to do it once, right?;)
I prefer the more old-school approach that you get with FreeBSD's "custom" installation: I choose exactly which packages go on my box, the disk partitioning and labeling, et cetera. OpenBSD's install is almost as good. You can do almost the same with Red Hat's "expert" install, but it takes much, much longer. Slackware probably has one of the best current GNU/Linux installs. IMHO, of course. I just wish that the default kernel had all of the UDMA packages included, so I could've installed directly to an ATA/66 drive instead of switching to a normal ATA/33 IDE bus, installing, recompiling, changing fdisk and rdev, and switching busses again. Sure, it only takes a half-hour to do the whole deal, but if frickin' FreeBSD has proper UltraATA/66 support in the default kernel, shouldn't all GNU/Linux distros? (Except Debian, of course. Right, Rob? Any post-1979 code is just "too wild and unruly" for you Debian freaks.;-p)
Let's get even more offtopic. Installing x86 Solaris for the first time was pretty interesting. 'Twas the first opportunity I had to actually install Solaris on a box, (don't have the dough for a Sparc, heh heh), and it was a pleasant (if unsettling) surprise. Solaris 8 is even more flashy. For those who have never seen it, you start off in text-mode and are allowed to scan/configure devices, then choose where to boot a kernel from. Boot kernel, do a quick fdisk, and set up the console. Then you're thrown right into OpenWindows to install the actual software. Set up the system and partitions, along with the packages to install. You can read propaganda about new and cool features while-you-wait and swap CDs (20-40 minutes, in my experience). Then reboot, and bam, after the normal boot messages, you go right into CDE login. Pretty slick. As I've ranted about before, Sun had user-friendly UNIX done quite some time ago.
Okay, enough offtopic-ness for now. Enjoy that coffee, brother/sister.
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Agreed. Also, isn't 80% or 90% of the price of a gallon of gas a combination of state and federal taxes? I've heard that the so-called evil big businesses make less than $.20 per gallon, currently.
You're on your way to realizing the One Truth: everything is a sham. The Right, the Left, and everything in between. Even everything on Slashdot. Have a nice day.
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No offense, but comparing Linux/BSD/whatever kernel overhead to commercial high-end UNIX overhead is like comparing apples to oranges. Sure, Linux may scale to 8 processors ok, but that's way different than scaling to 512 (which is very difficult to do).
It has come to our attention that a user made use of my client's exclusive trademark ("Yahoo!") in a post to your "Specs on New SGI Onyx and Origin" messageboard on 25 July 2000. Said user did not credit my client in any manner whatsoever, or even provide a link to my client's website (http://yahoo.com). Therefore, we can only assume that my client seeks so misrepresent and libel against my client for his own personal gain. Please provide us with a means to get in touch with this user ("tehzig_112") so that we may give him a proper beatdown and molest his children. Alternatively, you may remove the posting from your messageboard, and provide oral sex to yours truly before the end of the week.
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Apple seems even more proprietary and monopolistic than Microsoft.
No, what you mean is that if Apple held a monopoly position, they would act the same way. I agree. I'm sure that Sun and Oracle would, too. But they aren't. (Okay, Oracle is on the way... but not yet.)
It's important to remember that Microsoft is not being punished because they have a monopoly; they are being punished because they used their size to push others around.
Everyone does that these days. Google does. Annoys the hells out of me.
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Apple gets its ideas from NeXT. That's probably why they bought them.
These days, don't even bother drawing a distinction between the two.
Want to know where Linux gets its ideas? Look at Afterstep.
AfterStep is not Linux. AfterStep is an X11 window manager that happens to be compilable on GNU/Linux systems... as well as Solaris, Irix, UnixWare, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD... you get the picture.
Look at WindowMaker. Look at the NEXTSTEP themes for GTK. And the NeXT athena widget set.
Once again, none of these are "Linux". So don't say that Linux (which is a Unix-workalike kernel) gets its ideas from NeXTStep. Linux gets its ideas from UNIX.
While it is true that NeXTStep-like window managers have enjoyed a fair amount of success with GNU/Linux users, remember that they are all independant of the OS. This isn't MacOS we're talking about. Also, just as many (or more) X11 window managers are Windows copies as NeXTStep copies. If you're going to make the irrational argument that Linux is defined by its GUI, you'd be better off saying that Linux gets its ideas from Windows, seeing as how the two most successful WMs are both obvious Windows knock-offs. And see how silly that seems?
When I verbalize version numbers, I almost never say the "point" (or "dot"). Slackware 7.1 is "Slackware seven-one" and Java 1.3 is "Java one-three". And I've discovered that I also drop the zeroes when talking about Perl 5.005 ("Perl five-five"). I can see how someone could get in that habit, and while meaning "5.005", they type "5.5". And taking this even further, yes, it's possible that Perl-core got into this habit.
So don't be too quick to shoot him down as a blathering idiot with no idea what he's talking about... it's not like he's a Mac rumour site! Bwahahahaha!
Thank you, citizen... so why aren't you using 5.6, Rob? Does it break Slash? Worried about the new char? Don't have a need for bugfixes/new features? Or is just "too new" to be trusted on such a big-time site? (And while that may sound sarcastic, it wasn't meant as such.)
As long as I'm interrogating you, Rob, here's another question: why haven't you bought your Mac-luser GF a G4 cube yet? With your dough, certainly you could find a way... what, she isn't worth it to you?? Wait 'till Sarcasta hears about this...;p
I know, I know... my bad jokes always get lost on people.:) I'm well aware of (and intimately aquainted with) the laziness that Larry refers to in his Big Three -- the kind of laziness that says, "Hmmm, why don't I spend an hour coding a script that will save me four hours of manual work over the next month? More time for Quake... sounds great!" This same laziness allows us to lots of cool stuff in Perl with very little work. Others in this discussion call Perl a "dirty" language, but I find a certain elegance (of an admittedly elitist variety) in being able to type ten lines of noise, unintelligible to the Perl/regexp/Unix newbie, which magically performs the same magic as fifty lines of C. Am I saying that we should stop using C and all run to Perl? Of course not. But there are also tasks for which Perl is vastly superior. Just like there are for C, C++, Java, FORTRAN, Ada, Python, Ksh, and PL/I. (Maybe not Pascal, though.../me ducks) "A place for everything, and everything in its place."
LOL... sure, it'll work. Just sort of throw some mental hints to the stuffed camel on your monitor while you bang on that space bar, and the interpreter will figure out what it needs to.:) That, and Perl 6 will introduce "impressionist" programming. Example: here is my impression of what a database call "feels" like.
#@%(&).. #)%*(-#%(#_(_
)*(@$#:: *&#$//\\D)(*# Come on baby, CONNECT ';][@_(#';'; 0834#)%(_(_)#9
A complete rewrite? This, from the man who advocates laziness in programmers?:)
The problem I have is that Perl interpreters seem to be pretty low on most companies' upgrade lists. My current employer still runs 5.005, on both AIX and Solaris. If I can't convince them to upgrade to 5.6, 6.0 seems right out. "There's a chance of older scripts breaking, right? 5.005 works for us now, right? So why bother?" Bah. It sucks that businesses are run by businesspeople.;) Oh well, I've seen worse... a web hosting company (which advertises on Slashdot, btw) runs 5.004 on Linux boxen. It somehow seems worse that Linux people not be up-to-date on this stuff.
Question for anyone who knows: which version does/. use?
It sucks that any cool new things I could do with Perl 6 are pointless if I can't use them at sites with older interpreters. I think the next Slashdot poll should be,
Which version of Perl?
[x] 5.6, the latest and l337est [ ] ($version < 5.6) || ($version > 5.0) [ ] ($version < 5.0) [ ] Whichever comes with Red Hat 6.2 [ ] Uh, ActiveState 95? [ ] I use Python, fool! [ ] CowboyNeal, painted blue, thinking about the number "1", eating a rare steak
Um, not to rain on your sad little parade, but you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I'd advise you to save the $4000 and wait to see if this "slash site you want to launch" gets off the ground. That means that people other than you and your friends see it.
Oh? Sorry, I should've realized you didn't have any friends.
I sympathise with your situation: you're a brand new Slashdot luser, without a clue, but still want to post meaningless garbage. But back off, please. It's obvious from the rest of this thread that you're clueless about hardware, so why even try to make "interesting" or "insightful" comments about... I'm sorry, I'm laughing so hard that I can't type anymore... make sure to send me the URL of your l337 Slashdot-wannabe site (served from a "4 proc G4" with a "gigabit ethernet adapter") when you have it up! You'll be the next ZDNet, kid!
Okay, a little uncalled for, but flaming newbie lusers is part of my job.
Slashdot Mirror
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I prefer the more old-school approach that you get with FreeBSD's "custom" installation: I choose exactly which packages go on my box, the disk partitioning and labeling, et cetera. OpenBSD's install is almost as good. You can do almost the same with Red Hat's "expert" install, but it takes much, much longer. Slackware probably has one of the best current GNU/Linux installs. IMHO, of course. I just wish that the default kernel had all of the UDMA packages included, so I could've installed directly to an ATA/66 drive instead of switching to a normal ATA/33 IDE bus, installing, recompiling, changing fdisk and rdev, and switching busses again. Sure, it only takes a half-hour to do the whole deal, but if frickin' FreeBSD has proper UltraATA/66 support in the default kernel, shouldn't all GNU/Linux distros? (Except Debian, of course. Right, Rob? Any post-1979 code is just "too wild and unruly" for you Debian freaks. ;-p)
Let's get even more offtopic. Installing x86 Solaris for the first time was pretty interesting. 'Twas the first opportunity I had to actually install Solaris on a box, (don't have the dough for a Sparc, heh heh), and it was a pleasant (if unsettling) surprise. Solaris 8 is even more flashy. For those who have never seen it, you start off in text-mode and are allowed to scan/configure devices, then choose where to boot a kernel from. Boot kernel, do a quick fdisk, and set up the console. Then you're thrown right into OpenWindows to install the actual software. Set up the system and partitions, along with the packages to install. You can read propaganda about new and cool features while-you-wait and swap CDs (20-40 minutes, in my experience). Then reboot, and bam, after the normal boot messages, you go right into CDE login. Pretty slick. As I've ranted about before, Sun had user-friendly UNIX done quite some time ago.
Okay, enough offtopic-ness for now. Enjoy that coffee, brother/sister.
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You're on your way to realizing the One Truth: everything is a sham. The Right, the Left, and everything in between. Even everything on Slashdot. Have a nice day.
This tiny jewel of cynicism brought to you by Microsoft.
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Okay, I feel better.
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Thank you. You're my favorite poster of the week.
Ah, I love UNIX... :)
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Dear "Slashdot.org" Management:
It has come to our attention that a user made use of my client's exclusive trademark ("Yahoo!") in a post to your "Specs on New SGI Onyx and Origin" messageboard on 25 July 2000. Said user did not credit my client in any manner whatsoever, or even provide a link to my client's website (http://yahoo.com). Therefore, we can only assume that my client seeks so misrepresent and libel against my client for his own personal gain. Please provide us with a means to get in touch with this user ("tehzig_112") so that we may give him a proper beatdown and molest his children. Alternatively, you may remove the posting from your messageboard, and provide oral sex to yours truly before the end of the week.
Sincerely,
Horace J. Netherson, Esq.
Law Offices of Johnson, Johnson, and Kerblinsky
I know, I know... (-1, Unfunny).
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No, what you mean is that if Apple held a monopoly position, they would act the same way. I agree. I'm sure that Sun and Oracle would, too. But they aren't. (Okay, Oracle is on the way... but not yet.)
It's important to remember that Microsoft is not being punished because they have a monopoly; they are being punished because they used their size to push others around.
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AfterStep is not Linux. AfterStep is an X11 window manager that happens to be compilable on GNU/Linux systems... as well as Solaris, Irix, UnixWare, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD... you get the picture.
Once again, none of these are "Linux". So don't say that Linux (which is a Unix-workalike kernel) gets its ideas from NeXTStep. Linux gets its ideas from UNIX.
While it is true that NeXTStep-like window managers have enjoyed a fair amount of success with GNU/Linux users, remember that they are all independant of the OS. This isn't MacOS we're talking about. Also, just as many (or more) X11 window managers are Windows copies as NeXTStep copies. If you're going to make the irrational argument that Linux is defined by its GUI, you'd be better off saying that Linux gets its ideas from Windows, seeing as how the two most successful WMs are both obvious Windows knock-offs. And see how silly that seems?
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When I verbalize version numbers, I almost never say the "point" (or "dot"). Slackware 7.1 is "Slackware seven-one" and Java 1.3 is "Java one-three". And I've discovered that I also drop the zeroes when talking about Perl 5.005 ("Perl five-five"). I can see how someone could get in that habit, and while meaning "5.005", they type "5.5". And taking this even further, yes, it's possible that Perl-core got into this habit.
So don't be too quick to shoot him down as a blathering idiot with no idea what he's talking about... it's not like he's a Mac rumour site! Bwahahahaha!
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As long as I'm interrogating you, Rob, here's another question: why haven't you bought your Mac-luser GF a G4 cube yet? With your dough, certainly you could find a way... what, she isn't worth it to you?? Wait 'till Sarcasta hears about this... ;p
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Hmmmm... funny, that looks just like Perl 5.
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The problem I have is that Perl interpreters seem to be pretty low on most companies' upgrade lists. My current employer still runs 5.005, on both AIX and Solaris. If I can't convince them to upgrade to 5.6, 6.0 seems right out. "There's a chance of older scripts breaking, right? 5.005 works for us now, right? So why bother?" Bah. It sucks that businesses are run by businesspeople. ;) Oh well, I've seen worse... a web hosting company (which advertises on Slashdot, btw) runs 5.004 on Linux boxen. It somehow seems worse that Linux people not be up-to-date on this stuff.
Question for anyone who knows: which version does /. use?
It sucks that any cool new things I could do with Perl 6 are pointless if I can't use them at sites with older interpreters. I think the next Slashdot poll should be,
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Oh? Sorry, I should've realized you didn't have any friends.
I sympathise with your situation: you're a brand new Slashdot luser, without a clue, but still want to post meaningless garbage. But back off, please. It's obvious from the rest of this thread that you're clueless about hardware, so why even try to make "interesting" or "insightful" comments about... I'm sorry, I'm laughing so hard that I can't type anymore... make sure to send me the URL of your l337 Slashdot-wannabe site (served from a "4 proc G4" with a "gigabit ethernet adapter") when you have it up! You'll be the next ZDNet, kid!
Okay, a little uncalled for, but flaming newbie lusers is part of my job.
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