You are correct. Libertarian free will would requires that there is a component of a person that is not measurable by scientific inquiry, and yet not random internally. In this libertarian free will requires belief in some form of "supernatural". If you reject the possibility of the supernatural, you must either embrace compatibilist free will or conclude that the idea of free will is nonsensical from your point of view.
Interestingly, three sects around the time of Jesus debated this topic - the Essenes (Determinism), the Pharisees(somewhere in the middle) and the Sadducees(free will). The evidence was debated even within the ancient context. Paul was a Pharisee, and Pharasaical thought deeply influenced early Christianity, until people removed from that context (Augustine, Calvin,etc) brought in the philosophy of determinism.
"Hands-off" is difficult to defend. Remember, the ancient Jews considered God to be involved in every aspect of creation. There was no "natural" and "supernatural" in the thought. This does no remove the possibility of free will, but will can only be free in so far as it is permitted by God. When we try to impose modern philosophy on the ancient text, the meaning will distort.
This is a view called open theism and it is gaining traction in the church. It's major opponent is Molinism. A lot of people have problems with the orthodoxy of open theism, and consider it at very least shaky ground. Most fundamentalists have no idea that this conversation is going on, but then I guess they have no idea about much beyond what is in front of them anyway.
Intermittent in software may be quantifiable easily that way. Not so much in hardware. It may be temperature/humiditydependent. Perhaps a gamma ray flips a bit in the memory. All sorts of things that cannot be reproduced have probable scientific explanations. Except one of my clients, for they have angered the old ones who will be satisfied by nothing less than burning equipment. Either that or their ground is in adequate and the impulse tester randomly cooks equipment.
Exactly. Every time my users meet a intermittent fault in my systems, I point out to them that this is not scientific, and they must be imagining it. Hold on, their appears to be be a crowd of angry users outside. Let me get the door, I am sure it is *&%^*@))*+CARRIER LOST
If you object to his advice - it is not unbiblical for him to give it - simply a waste of his time(and yours). John the Baptist gave advice and lost his head, so I suppose he might die from it, but I certainly would not call it sinful. Remember, the one with the mote (in the passage) is a "brother". Different rules apply.
Now, if he were to do a John Calvin and punish you for not taking his advice, that would be another story. In that case I might even have strong words for him.
Don't lust after other women, don't think about cheating, don't put yourself in the position where you might, don't neglect your marriage to the point where you feel you need to, and chances are pretty good that you won't.
When christ said to mind the log in your own eye, before looking at the mote in others, clearly you were not paying attention.
Perhaps you could clarify. I don't quite follow. What is the log and what is the mote in parent's statements?
Personally, I am always amused when Christians (and I am one) try to enforce their morals on others. The Bible clearly indicates it won't work.
The explanation is simple. Firstly most people are doing advertising wrong, and secondly, you are probably not in a position where it could be helpful (e.g. trying to procure a sensor or specialist instruments)
Heck, I could bike just fine drunk when I was a student. Only problem was I would go from "can't walk straight" drunk to stone cold sober by the time I got home... It was a fair distance, and there were hills. I suppose that isn't really a problem, but it was to me...
I get at most 3 text adds at the top of my google searches. About 50% of the time they are relevant, and about 10% of the time are duplicated in the first couple of results, so a bit redundant... There are more down the side. In a way, it's a bit like yellow pages are. If I had to slog through "millions of ads" I would doubtless agree with you. The adds normally lead to a webpage. From the webpage I can asses the solutions offered and dig for more information(demo units, local distributors, etc).
Perhaps your line of work you don't need to source much, so yeah, but I would not suggest these things are useless for everybody there exist at least 5 people who have found what they are looking for through sponsored results.
Not always. Sometimes I'm looking for a solution and the adds that come up in my search are relevant. If they relate to what I need, I have no problem with that. It's when they get in the way or block legitimate results that I get pissed off. Heck if someone has a better way to measure, say slurry density than radio-isotope based sensors, I'm all ears. I'll even watch your video. Do I care about penis enlargements or the latest hollywood obscenity? Not so much.
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You are correct. Libertarian free will would requires that there is a component of a person that is not measurable by scientific inquiry, and yet not random internally. In this libertarian free will requires belief in some form of "supernatural". If you reject the possibility of the supernatural, you must either embrace compatibilist free will or conclude that the idea of free will is nonsensical from your point of view.
Interestingly, three sects around the time of Jesus debated this topic - the Essenes (Determinism), the Pharisees(somewhere in the middle) and the Sadducees(free will). The evidence was debated even within the ancient context. Paul was a Pharisee, and Pharasaical thought deeply influenced early Christianity, until people removed from that context (Augustine, Calvin,etc) brought in the philosophy of determinism.
"Hands-off" is difficult to defend. Remember, the ancient Jews considered God to be involved in every aspect of creation. There was no "natural" and "supernatural" in the thought. This does no remove the possibility of free will, but will can only be free in so far as it is permitted by God. When we try to impose modern philosophy on the ancient text, the meaning will distort.
A lot of people object that compatibilist free will is an oxymoron. These are philosophical positions though, and difficult to prove or disprove.
This is a view called open theism and it is gaining traction in the church. It's major opponent is Molinism. A lot of people have problems with the orthodoxy of open theism, and consider it at very least shaky ground. Most fundamentalists have no idea that this conversation is going on, but then I guess they have no idea about much beyond what is in front of them anyway.
I'd add to this:- All PLC and SCADA systems. Please!
You are incorrect. The updates will ignore previous settings, but will only auto install if you have let Microsoft manage your updates.
This, too, can be turned into a drinking game...
Intermittent in software may be quantifiable easily that way. Not so much in hardware. It may be temperature/humiditydependent. Perhaps a gamma ray flips a bit in the memory. All sorts of things that cannot be reproduced have probable scientific explanations. Except one of my clients, for they have angered the old ones who will be satisfied by nothing less than burning equipment. Either that or their ground is in adequate and the impulse tester randomly cooks equipment.
Before I get dumped, on, yes -"there". I come back from the dead to correct my own typos...
"if it ain't reproducible it ain't real"
Exactly. Every time my users meet a intermittent fault in my systems, I point out to them that this is not scientific, and they must be imagining it. Hold on, their appears to be be a crowd of angry users outside. Let me get the door, I am sure it is *&%^*@))*+CARRIER LOST
2016 - The year of Gnu HURD.
AC, I understood. You I don't.
If you object to his advice - it is not unbiblical for him to give it - simply a waste of his time(and yours). John the Baptist gave advice and lost his head, so I suppose he might die from it, but I certainly would not call it sinful. Remember, the one with the mote (in the passage) is a "brother". Different rules apply.
Now, if he were to do a John Calvin and punish you for not taking his advice, that would be another story. In that case I might even have strong words for him.
I pay no attention to the numbers. I read since the early 2000s, before I could be bothered to register... ACs used to have class.
Oh, yes. I see what you are saying.. I don't quite agree with your exegesis, but you are not far enough off for it to matter in this context.
How did I not see this coming?
those of us who try to follow Christ
Don't lust after other women, don't think about cheating, don't put yourself in the position where you might, don't neglect your marriage to the point where you feel you need to, and chances are pretty good that you won't.
When christ said to mind the log in your own eye, before looking at the mote in others, clearly you were not paying attention.
Perhaps you could clarify. I don't quite follow. What is the log and what is the mote in parent's statements?
Personally, I am always amused when Christians (and I am one) try to enforce their morals on others. The Bible clearly indicates it won't work.
I bet you guys are just the same AC having an argument with yourself.
Non-Original AC here!
This is slashdot. We will lynch you for saying you were, but forgetting to post as AC, and not care about your ethics. You must be new here.
The explanation is simple. Firstly most people are doing advertising wrong, and secondly, you are probably not in a position where it could be helpful (e.g. trying to procure a sensor or specialist instruments)
Heck, I could bike just fine drunk when I was a student. Only problem was I would go from "can't walk straight" drunk to stone cold sober by the time I got home... It was a fair distance, and there were hills. I suppose that isn't really a problem, but it was to me...
I get at most 3 text adds at the top of my google searches. About 50% of the time they are relevant, and about 10% of the time are duplicated in the first couple of results, so a bit redundant... There are more down the side. In a way, it's a bit like yellow pages are. If I had to slog through "millions of ads" I would doubtless agree with you. The adds normally lead to a webpage. From the webpage I can asses the solutions offered and dig for more information(demo units, local distributors, etc).
Perhaps your line of work you don't need to source much, so yeah, but I would not suggest these things are useless for everybody there exist at least 5 people who have found what they are looking for through sponsored results.
There is special and general relativity and both must be accounted for and are measurable. Your failure to understand does not prove your point.
This is why you use duckduckgo for personal searches and google for work. Or, you know, just screw it.
Oblig: https://xkcd.com/1223/
Not always. Sometimes I'm looking for a solution and the adds that come up in my search are relevant. If they relate to what I need, I have no problem with that. It's when they get in the way or block legitimate results that I get pissed off. Heck if someone has a better way to measure, say slurry density than radio-isotope based sensors, I'm all ears. I'll even watch your video. Do I care about penis enlargements or the latest hollywood obscenity? Not so much.