The point of organic food isn't to get more nutrients; the point is to eat fewer poisons.
Agree with the earlier posters who are appalled that scientists agreed to do this study on a specious premise.
I'm from Western Massachusetts and can tell you that global warming has been driving maple syrup production northward for half my life.
The family with the farm nearest the subdivision where I grew up made and sold their own syrup all through the '70s and '80s from a long double row of old sugar maples along the road. Some time in the '90s, production began to fall off. Now I don't think they sell syrup at all, don't even know if they collect/boil sap for personal use. Could be just the age of their trees, or the age of their family members who know the work, but there's also a trend here. And FWIW, the neighborhood I'm talking about has always been right on the cusp between the weather forecasts for the Connecticut Valley and for the "hill towns." It's in the hill towns where maple syrup is still produced in quantity in MA.
And here's a PDF noting a climate-affected declining trend in U.S. syrup production generally with corresponding increase in Canada. The statistics admittedly don't all point the same direction but they're still sad. http://www.cara.psu.edu/about/publications/Maple_syrup.pdf
I think Barbara Kruger has your answer: http://edu.warhol.org/app_kruger.html
The kind of courage necessary to challenge received opinion in risky ways can shade into, or derive from, an arrogance that refuses to see others (or selected categories of others) as fully human. Fortunately for humanity, courage doesn't always work through the suppression of empathy. But it happens. Also, iconoclasm and outright narcissism can go together. After all, narcissists do tend to think rules don't apply to their own exceptional selves.
And, sadly, an accusation can happen to be both factually true and politically convenient.
It is false evenhandedness to call "on the one hand" for measures to prevent crimes against women and "on the other hand" for measures to prevent false accusations by women. Men are more likely to commit crimes against women when they can do so with impunity due to social and legal traditions that are slanted against female accusers. While the truth of any testimony should be tested fairly, the last thing any group or legal system needs are "protections" specifically meant to discourage women from stating inconvenient facts in public.
I can imagine that some female commenters here might wish to appear safely ungendered. At Slashdot, the discussion is ordinarily sane, intelligent, mutually respectful and clever, but as soon as the existence of the female sex gets mentioned, a certain proportion of the self-identified males start to grunt contempt at women and girls in general, and the whole sense of an inclusive, honorable community slumps into crud.
Half the world's population is female. Billions of different people are women or girls. You cannot announce what interests "women" or "girls" in general with any hope of accuracy. There are just too many of us. Including quite a lot of us who find the color pink insipid, were spared the familial and social undermining that cultivates "math anxiety", developed childhood fascinations with medieval armaments rather than "playing house", and otherwise fit none of the stereotypes announced here as being universal. There's no need to discuss anyone's cloaca. Not even any point in doing so: in the study you mention, the parents of the biologically ambiguous children knew their children's medical histories. If traditionally minded, then, consciously or not, they're likely to have raised the children who were provisionally labeled as girls with the greater physical permissiveness and the stronger encouragement to assert control over the physical environment that traditionalist parents grant to children they view as being boys.
Eh, pink can look nice, some people like it, it's their business if they do. They just shouldn't be stuck with it, nor saddled with the meanings sometimes attached to it. One of the next comments after "buy her pink" was more or less, "buy her a cheap Toshiba and paint it pink." So, if we're talking about a high-powered customized dream machine and it's also pink, that's great. But if "pink" is code for "insultingly cheap so long as it looks cute, because she won't know the difference," that's something else again. Me, I'm Gen-X, likely older than some of you here, and in my generation, "you should wear pink" was code for "you should stifle your dreams." If that isn't true any more, well, color me impressed. But I kinda think it sometimes still is.
Hey, the four-year-old said it better last winter, do watch her video if you haven't:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/girl-4-blasts-companies-for-pushing-girls-to-buy-pink-stuff/
"Entitlement?" Interesting pejorative use. Yes, I suppose entitlement is involved. Entitlement of girls and women to the full human variety of tastes, interests and work.
Eh, if he still wants to be reductive, buy this boy an eight-pound Panasonic Toughbook and cover it with olive-drab nylon grip tape and rivet a lot of nylon webbing loops to random points all over the case. Maybe he'll be happy. Maybe not.
Girls are told from infancy that people such as themselves like pink, and that people such as themselves don't like math, and that females who do like math and computers, or who (horrors) take an interest in asserting their rights, are dreary unnatural creatures who don't get invited to parties. "Interest" in a subject isn't an innate immutable quality in a child. It reflects the child's training.
nbauman, it's wonderful that you tried to interest your niece in the sciences, but you aren't the only person teaching her what ought to interest her. She's also being taught that by the other kids and the television and the all-pink-princess "girls'" aisle at Toys-R-Us.
Why pink?
Oh, I get it, pink because she's a gurl. Because you've heard tell of creatures in this world called gurlz, and, legend has it, they're irrationally fond of the color pink. Also you've heard you can palm off pastel-colored cheap computers on gurlz because they won't know the difference, since gurlz treat computers as accessories, not as equipment, right? Because persons born female cannot be sophisticated computer users, let alone programmers, as the lady parts are well known to strangle up the neural pathways, right?
That's very funny. Ha ha.
Now, I want you to imagine that you are a programmer born with lady bits who is reading this thread. How exactly do you feel right now?
The phrase: "...do little other than..." gives it away: I'm a stranger to this speaker, so I would guess the above is a phrase he habitually directs at a woman he abuses in real life, someone he believes he knows well.
Classic Internet misogyny again: posts with female usernames attract displaced anger from men and boys who resent their mothers and girlfriends.
This conversation relates directly to the shortage of women who actually stay in the tech professions after beginning training for them.
In my high school, a male kid who was a year behind me in math was voted "class genius." He was a perfectly nice kid -- wasn't his fault that he fit a positive stereotype for being a male good at math, and I fit a negative stereotype for being a female good at math. It not being his fault, I only took a quiet revenge: when it came time for his yearbook photo as "genius", I wrote an equation on the board behind him that he didn't understand. Every geek female has a similar story.
I regret to say I went into law and journalism, where I faced my share of harassment for being female and ambitious, but not quite what I would have faced in a tech profession. Any woman who stayed in math and the sciences in the '80s despite the continual harassment, discouragement and insults had to be not just twice as able as every male coworker but also a warrior with the hide of a rhinoceros. The sad part is, I thought the tough-hide requirement had lessened over twenty years. Apparently not. Not judging by this place.
Classic: a group of men have a fine old clubby time inflating their own egos by trying to degrade women and girls. I object because their behavior is an attempt to drive out female persons like me from an entire area of human conversation. This "rhyder128k" person, presumably male, lashes back in entirely typical style: by trying to characterize me, an individual woman, as a representative of a category or ideology ("people like you," "feminist orthodoxy," "feminist theory"), and -- naturally -- by calling me (and my evil cohorts) "emotive," i.e. emotional, i.e. hysterical. I don't think this fellow realizes I am as fully, individually human as he is, and I object to bigoted attempts to exclude me for the same reasons he would if, for example, he were told that persons of his ancestry (whatever it may be) were incapable of reading or understanding this site.
Misogynist hate talk appears on this site every time an item appears about women or girls in the tech professions.
So here's my question:
Do you boys *really* blame women's slow entry to the tech professions on these lies about lesser abilities? Or do you understand it's your own misogyny that discourages women and girls out of the tech labs and classrooms? If the latter, are you consciously peddling shit about female incompetence as a cover story to protect your male privileges and salaries?
I hope some folks here notice the contempt expressed through "Is it usable enough for a girlfriend?"
You're smart people here, yet there's little criticism of the illogic in discussing two people as though just one were capable of thought.
Beginning with "This guy sits his girlfriend down...," the writer implies females of the species can't stand, sit, type commands or install Linux distributions without help from their male presumptive betters.
It's a fine idea to test Linux by teaching its use to a nonexpert, but just don't call half of humanity idiots in the process, OK?
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The point of organic food isn't to get more nutrients; the point is to eat fewer poisons. Agree with the earlier posters who are appalled that scientists agreed to do this study on a specious premise.
I'm from Western Massachusetts and can tell you that global warming has been driving maple syrup production northward for half my life.
The family with the farm nearest the subdivision where I grew up made and sold their own syrup all through the '70s and '80s from a long double row of old sugar maples along the road. Some time in the '90s, production began to fall off. Now I don't think they sell syrup at all, don't even know if they collect/boil sap for personal use. Could be just the age of their trees, or the age of their family members who know the work, but there's also a trend here. And FWIW, the neighborhood I'm talking about has always been right on the cusp between the weather forecasts for the Connecticut Valley and for the "hill towns." It's in the hill towns where maple syrup is still produced in quantity in MA.
Here's an article noting Massachusetts production has been up and down in recent years and a prediction "that climate change over roughly the next hundred years will result in the loss of maple trees across much of New England." http://articles.boston.com/2012-03-07/metro/31132698_1_maple-syrup-syrup-producers-sugaring-season
And here's a PDF noting a climate-affected declining trend in U.S. syrup production generally with corresponding increase in Canada. The statistics admittedly don't all point the same direction but they're still sad. http://www.cara.psu.edu/about/publications/Maple_syrup.pdf
I think Barbara Kruger has your answer: http://edu.warhol.org/app_kruger.html The kind of courage necessary to challenge received opinion in risky ways can shade into, or derive from, an arrogance that refuses to see others (or selected categories of others) as fully human. Fortunately for humanity, courage doesn't always work through the suppression of empathy. But it happens. Also, iconoclasm and outright narcissism can go together. After all, narcissists do tend to think rules don't apply to their own exceptional selves.
And, sadly, an accusation can happen to be both factually true and politically convenient.
It is false evenhandedness to call "on the one hand" for measures to prevent crimes against women and "on the other hand" for measures to prevent false accusations by women. Men are more likely to commit crimes against women when they can do so with impunity due to social and legal traditions that are slanted against female accusers. While the truth of any testimony should be tested fairly, the last thing any group or legal system needs are "protections" specifically meant to discourage women from stating inconvenient facts in public.
I can imagine that some female commenters here might wish to appear safely ungendered. At Slashdot, the discussion is ordinarily sane, intelligent, mutually respectful and clever, but as soon as the existence of the female sex gets mentioned, a certain proportion of the self-identified males start to grunt contempt at women and girls in general, and the whole sense of an inclusive, honorable community slumps into crud.
Thank you, Cazekiel. Except it will change when enough people understand that misogyny is bad business.
If a woman does something there must be a demeaning word for it: http://schroedingerstabby.blogspot.com/2009/04/how-to-tell-male-from-female.html
Um, you're saying "monkey" to describe your girlfriend and not seeing a lurking prejudice issue here?
Half the world's population is female. Billions of different people are women or girls. You cannot announce what interests "women" or "girls" in general with any hope of accuracy. There are just too many of us. Including quite a lot of us who find the color pink insipid, were spared the familial and social undermining that cultivates "math anxiety", developed childhood fascinations with medieval armaments rather than "playing house", and otherwise fit none of the stereotypes announced here as being universal. There's no need to discuss anyone's cloaca. Not even any point in doing so: in the study you mention, the parents of the biologically ambiguous children knew their children's medical histories. If traditionally minded, then, consciously or not, they're likely to have raised the children who were provisionally labeled as girls with the greater physical permissiveness and the stronger encouragement to assert control over the physical environment that traditionalist parents grant to children they view as being boys.
Eh, pink can look nice, some people like it, it's their business if they do. They just shouldn't be stuck with it, nor saddled with the meanings sometimes attached to it. One of the next comments after "buy her pink" was more or less, "buy her a cheap Toshiba and paint it pink." So, if we're talking about a high-powered customized dream machine and it's also pink, that's great. But if "pink" is code for "insultingly cheap so long as it looks cute, because she won't know the difference," that's something else again. Me, I'm Gen-X, likely older than some of you here, and in my generation, "you should wear pink" was code for "you should stifle your dreams." If that isn't true any more, well, color me impressed. But I kinda think it sometimes still is. Hey, the four-year-old said it better last winter, do watch her video if you haven't: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2011/12/girl-4-blasts-companies-for-pushing-girls-to-buy-pink-stuff/
"Entitlement?" Interesting pejorative use. Yes, I suppose entitlement is involved. Entitlement of girls and women to the full human variety of tastes, interests and work. Eh, if he still wants to be reductive, buy this boy an eight-pound Panasonic Toughbook and cover it with olive-drab nylon grip tape and rivet a lot of nylon webbing loops to random points all over the case. Maybe he'll be happy. Maybe not.
Girls are told from infancy that people such as themselves like pink, and that people such as themselves don't like math, and that females who do like math and computers, or who (horrors) take an interest in asserting their rights, are dreary unnatural creatures who don't get invited to parties. "Interest" in a subject isn't an innate immutable quality in a child. It reflects the child's training. nbauman, it's wonderful that you tried to interest your niece in the sciences, but you aren't the only person teaching her what ought to interest her. She's also being taught that by the other kids and the television and the all-pink-princess "girls'" aisle at Toys-R-Us.
These reptilian girls of which you speak sound like remarkable creatures. On which planet do they dwell?
Get a pink one. She'll be happy.
Why pink? Oh, I get it, pink because she's a gurl. Because you've heard tell of creatures in this world called gurlz, and, legend has it, they're irrationally fond of the color pink. Also you've heard you can palm off pastel-colored cheap computers on gurlz because they won't know the difference, since gurlz treat computers as accessories, not as equipment, right? Because persons born female cannot be sophisticated computer users, let alone programmers, as the lady parts are well known to strangle up the neural pathways, right? That's very funny. Ha ha. Now, I want you to imagine that you are a programmer born with lady bits who is reading this thread. How exactly do you feel right now?
No, you are attacking a stereotype who lives in your own mind.
The phrase: "...do little other than..." gives it away: I'm a stranger to this speaker, so I would guess the above is a phrase he habitually directs at a woman he abuses in real life, someone he believes he knows well. Classic Internet misogyny again: posts with female usernames attract displaced anger from men and boys who resent their mothers and girlfriends.
This conversation relates directly to the shortage of women who actually stay in the tech professions after beginning training for them. In my high school, a male kid who was a year behind me in math was voted "class genius." He was a perfectly nice kid -- wasn't his fault that he fit a positive stereotype for being a male good at math, and I fit a negative stereotype for being a female good at math. It not being his fault, I only took a quiet revenge: when it came time for his yearbook photo as "genius", I wrote an equation on the board behind him that he didn't understand. Every geek female has a similar story. I regret to say I went into law and journalism, where I faced my share of harassment for being female and ambitious, but not quite what I would have faced in a tech profession. Any woman who stayed in math and the sciences in the '80s despite the continual harassment, discouragement and insults had to be not just twice as able as every male coworker but also a warrior with the hide of a rhinoceros. The sad part is, I thought the tough-hide requirement had lessened over twenty years. Apparently not. Not judging by this place.
Classic: a group of men have a fine old clubby time inflating their own egos by trying to degrade women and girls. I object because their behavior is an attempt to drive out female persons like me from an entire area of human conversation. This "rhyder128k" person, presumably male, lashes back in entirely typical style: by trying to characterize me, an individual woman, as a representative of a category or ideology ("people like you," "feminist orthodoxy," "feminist theory"), and -- naturally -- by calling me (and my evil cohorts) "emotive," i.e. emotional, i.e. hysterical. I don't think this fellow realizes I am as fully, individually human as he is, and I object to bigoted attempts to exclude me for the same reasons he would if, for example, he were told that persons of his ancestry (whatever it may be) were incapable of reading or understanding this site.
Misogynist hate talk appears on this site every time an item appears about women or girls in the tech professions. So here's my question: Do you boys *really* blame women's slow entry to the tech professions on these lies about lesser abilities? Or do you understand it's your own misogyny that discourages women and girls out of the tech labs and classrooms? If the latter, are you consciously peddling shit about female incompetence as a cover story to protect your male privileges and salaries?
I hope some folks here notice the contempt expressed through "Is it usable enough for a girlfriend?" You're smart people here, yet there's little criticism of the illogic in discussing two people as though just one were capable of thought. Beginning with "This guy sits his girlfriend down...," the writer implies females of the species can't stand, sit, type commands or install Linux distributions without help from their male presumptive betters. It's a fine idea to test Linux by teaching its use to a nonexpert, but just don't call half of humanity idiots in the process, OK?
Yes, you love this property, you want to put your stamp on it -- but what happened to the previous occupants? See justiceforneworleans.org.